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Just wondering
« on: December 18, 2018, 04:11:57 PM »
Just wondering.  I started thinking about the breakdown of 1966 Shelby  production.  I know thinking too much about these things can be dangerous but what else is a guy to do while heís on a road trip to Lubbock Texas. From what I can tell there were around 1370 non-Hertz GT 350s built in 1966. I know 253 of those were the carryover cars which leaves about 1117 1966 cars produced.  Is it documented how many of those remaining 1966 GT 350s were white? Is it also known the breakdown between automatic transmission and four-speed transmission cars?
Thanks In advance to all the Shelby gurus out there.
Karl
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Re: Just wondering
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2018, 05:03:54 PM »
I believe all this info is in the SAAC Registry.  Lots of info on color and such.

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Re: Just wondering
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2018, 07:11:06 PM »
Thanks, I was not aware of that. Sounds like itís time to break down and buy a registry.
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Re: Just wondering
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2018, 08:13:20 PM »
Just wondering.  I started thinking about the breakdown of 1966 Shelby  production.  I know thinking too much about these things can be dangerous but what else is a guy to do while heís on a road trip to Lubbock Texas. From what I can tell there were around 1370 non-Hertz GT 350s built in 1966. I know 253 of those were the carryover cars which leaves about 1117 1966 cars produced.  Is it documented how many of those remaining 1966 GT 350s were white? Is it also known the breakdown between automatic transmission and four-speed transmission cars?
Thanks In advance to all the Shelby gurus out there.
Karl
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Re: Just wondering
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2018, 08:23:59 PM »
 Is that 252 white automatic non hertz 66s?

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Re: Just wondering
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2018, 09:27:07 PM »
Is that 252 white automatic non hertz 66s?

That is the number of carryover cars, not 253.
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Re: Just wondering
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2018, 10:29:06 PM »
Hi Karl,

The number I think you are looking for is 1122 for total full spec fastback 1966 GT350 S-Model production (AKA non-Hertz)

2378        Total 1966 Production
252          Partial spec cars (AKA carry or left over) built on a 5R09K bodies, one prototype H-Model  SAI VIN 6S048 is included plus four drag cars.
1000        Hertz full spec cars  built on 6R09K bodies.  One prototype H-Model SAI VIN 6S279 is included.
4              Convertibles, not available for purchase when new, built on 6R08K bodies.
1122        Street full spec cars built on 6R09K bodies

I believe your car 6S281 (the 29th on a 6R06K body) was in the very first full spec production batch at San Jose.

Cory

(Data was taken from 4th addition 2011 SAAC Shelby Registry 1965-1966-1967)
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Re: Just wondering
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2018, 11:21:56 PM »
Hi Karl,

The number I think you are looking for is 1122 for total full spec fastback 1966 GT350 S-Model production (AKA non-Hertz)

2378        Total 1966 Production
252          Partial spec cars (AKA carry or left over) built on a 5R09K bodies, one prototype H-Model  SAI VIN 6S048 is included.
1000        Hertz full spec cars  built on 6R09K bodies.  One prototype H-Model SAI VIN 6S279 is included.
4              Convertibles, not available for purchase when new, built on 6R08K bodies.
1122        Street full spec cars built on 6R09K bodies

I believe your car 6S281 (the 29th on a 6R06K body) was in the very first full spec production batch at San Jose.

Cory

(Data was taken from 4th addition 2011 SAAC Shelby Registry 1965-1966-1967)

Nice post   8)

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Re: Just wondering
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2018, 09:26:20 AM »
Hi Karl,

The number I think you are looking for is 1122 for total full spec fastback 1966 GT350 S-Model production (AKA non-Hertz)

2378        Total 1966 Production
252          Partial spec cars (AKA carry or left over) built on a 5R09K bodies, one prototype H-Model  SAI VIN 6S048 is included plus four drag cars.
1000        Hertz full spec cars  built on 6R09K bodies.  One prototype H-Model SAI VIN 6S279 is included.
4              Convertibles, not available for purchase when new, built on 6R08K bodies.
1122        Street full spec cars built on 6R09K bodies

I believe your car 6S281 (the 29th on a 6R06K body) was in the very first full spec production batch at San Jose.

Cory

(Data was taken from 4th addition 2011 SAAC Shelby Registry 1965-1966-1967)

I thought it was 998 plus the Prototype?

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Re: Just wondering
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2018, 01:03:40 PM »
Hi Karl,

The number I think you are looking for is 1122 for total full spec fastback 1966 GT350 S-Model production (AKA non-Hertz)

2378        Total 1966 Production
252          Partial spec cars (AKA carry or left over) built on a 5R09K bodies, one prototype H-Model  SAI VIN 6S048 is included plus four drag cars.
1000        Hertz full spec cars  built on 6R09K bodies.  One prototype H-Model SAI VIN 6S279 is included.
4              Convertibles, not available for purchase when new, built on 6R08K bodies.
1122        Street full spec cars built on 6R09K bodies

I believe your car 6S281 (the 29th on a 6R06K body) was in the very first full spec production batch at San Jose.

Cory

(Data was taken from 4th addition 2011 SAAC Shelby Registry 1965-1966-1967)

I thought it was 998 plus the Prototype?


Hi Tesgt350,

The number I am seeing in the registry is 999 production cars and two prototypes, making 1001  Hertz cars.  The numbers from above do add up to this value.  One of the prototypes is in the 252 batch.

Cory
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Re: Just wondering
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2018, 11:30:26 PM »
Cory,
 Please correct me if Iím reading this wrong. Looks  like there were around 1122 non-hertz, non-carryover 66 Shelbyís built.  My car, 281 was definitely in that first batch of those 6R09K cars delivered from San Jose. It seems a lot of the non-carryover early 66 cars were automatics originally.  Is there anyway of knowing how many of the non-Hertz, non-carry over cars had automatic transmissions as opposed to four speeds?
Thanks, Karl
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Re: Just wondering
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2018, 11:41:18 PM »
When you review the registry you will find many cars that don't show what kind of transmission they have.
Thank you, Brian Littlefield

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1969 Fairlane Cobra 428CJ 4 speed fastback
and a few other Fords.

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Re: Just wondering
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2018, 01:07:50 PM »
Cory,
 Please correct me if Iím reading this wrong. Looks  like there were around 1122 non-hertz, non-carryover 66 Shelbyís built.  My car, 281 was definitely in that first batch of those 6R09K cars delivered from San Jose. It seems a lot of the non-carryover early 66 cars were automatics originally.  Is there anyway of knowing how many of the non-Hertz, non-carry over cars had automatic transmissions as opposed to four speeds?
Thanks, Karl
6s281

Hi Karl,

Your best attempt to establishing how many automatic versus standard transmission cars is to just go through the registry.  From there you might assume of the total cars with tranny info, proportion those with automatic and those with standard.   From there estimate totals.  It is mostly just a good guess.  Now on the Hertz Models, I believe automatic/standard are documented very well, so you can leave these cars out of your count.  I would not assume the ratios in the H-model are good for the full spec 6R09K  S-Model cars.  (I prefer to call this group of cars by what they are, not by what they are not.)  Sounds like it is time for you to buy a registry.  As a side note, I have heard from other hobbyist say there were a lot of automatic cars in the early 66 (6R09K) production.  I have not confirmed using the registry.

Cory
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Re: Just wondering
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2018, 10:23:31 PM »
Thanks Cory

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Re: Just wondering
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2018, 11:56:55 PM »
Hi Karl,

The registry actually includes a lot of transmission type information in the pages 280 to 336.  I surveyed cars 6S253 to 602 (350 units) and found 44.9% were automatics and 55.1% four speed.  However, a smaller samplings show big swings on percentages.  I have broken down the survey groups into 50 unit blocks.  See the below image for that survey.  If someone wants to help with other groupings beyond 6S602, I can email you an EXCEL file for you to continue populating and then I can reduce the data.

The same survey could be done for color too, if someone wants to take on and has some free time.

I hope this helps.

Cory