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Shelby Buildings- Princeton Drive 1042 New: befor & early in Princeton Drive Ads
Richstang:
--- Quote from: Side-Oilers on June 28, 2019, 01:54:29 PM ---Notice that the address painted on the door of the cab is 6501 Imperial.
Do we know how long the cross-over time was when Shelby had Princeton & Carter and was moving into Imperial? That would help signify the date.
I'm wondering if this pix could be at Carter? Agree with Rich that it's not the back of 1042 Princeton.
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I believe the overlapping from Venice and LAX would be about late April / early May 1965.
We know the first batch of '65 GT350 R's were delivered to Venice on April 10th and the open house at LAX was June 7-8th.
EDIT: a Photo of the cab from May 9th at Laguna Seca appears to also have the 'W. Imperial' address on the cab doors.
I don't see anywhere that Cab could be parked at the Carter building, so I am really feeling strong on it behind 1040-1038 Princeton building.
Side-Oilers:
OK, makes sense that the cab is behind 1040-1038 Princeton. Just wanted to check.
For another detective hunt, we could try and find out who was renting 1040-38 while Shelby had 1042.
I asked previously if we know for sure who the owner of Princeton and Carter buildings was.
Was it Reventlow, or did he merely sublet to Shelby?
I'm still thinking about the "newer red bricks" seen on parts of the buildings. Seems to make sense to me that Princeton and Carter were at built (and modified) by the same owner in a similar time-frame.
Richstang:
I've never heard a owner or business name mentioned for 1040-1038 Princeton building. (It certainly appears to be the same builder and / or renovator with the upper 2 floor offices)
I've been looking into Lance Reventlow for a number of reasons.
All indicators are that he owned and occupied 1042 Princeton from '60-'62 and then leased it to Shelby in Aug /Sept '62.
Nothing is ever mentioned about the Carter Ave building, so that is still an unknown in every way.
If Princeton was built new in '59 then who leased it the first year, or did Reventlow buy it as the first occupant from the builder?
Lots of tedious questions that remain unanswered.
Szabo:
Hello,
lotīs of Thoughs and opinions , i loved that, keeps the Thread alive ...
I agreed with you that the Cab no stands behind 1042 ... i will removed that from Thread
but i already think it stands behind the Princeton Buildings, because when it is too close
for front parking, they parking at the next best place, and even the Photographer (Friedman)
not runs Miles to do such Pic, they make it right at the Moment when it comes too the Scene.
Speeking about Time ...
I seriously have a problem to find Time Codes at alle the Pics ... i must mixed Pics from all
Times to look in every angle of the Building.
Note that when you looked at the Walk Around Tours.
and second Not; at the point where i made this already i have know clue about
these Shelby Skeetch, i just try it at my own to get all the pics in right order.
And so i go on to Part Two of the Princeton Drive 1042 with the first Inside View...
Enjoy it and share your Thougts, i done my best to make it entertainment.
First we make a step into the Shop, right Behind the garage, turn around and see outside
of the Garage door...
Notice: Look at the Sliding Door to right inner section wall
and even the Ventilator on the right corner, hanging on the roof ...
than we go some steps backside, still seeing out of the Garage door.
we see some working Table on the Brick Wall, there is almost
place for two Rows of Cars side to side.
You must spin around to the inner side and see right behind
the Wood Mold Daytona
you see that the Door is open, but even you can looked to a another
Window ( note the contrast to the last Pic in my Post befor),
this means that the Sliding door was open...
Then we walked right to the End of the Shop, see the openend
sliding door and even the Tire Rack from last Pic in last Post,
notice the Text on the Wall which is important for later Pics and
where you stand in the Shop
The inside right Side with the Brick Wall with Windows are already done,
count the Windwos, it must be 5... when you get out of the door, you
can to backside of Building
BIG QUESTION at this Point of my Resarch . ... what was at left side, just around the Corner ...
Well, turn you again and the right on the Edge of the inner section Wall...
This was a very surprising Pic i saw ... and even a time travelling point at the Pics befor with lot more of People and Cars in the Shop.
we saw the last Pic from Last post with the very early Cobra prodution line (not an Cobra expert but Series 1, small bodies)
and the working post station...
At this Point when you see the first Daytona Woodframe with some Metal on it, the hole Shop Aera are very clean,
no more post working station, even no more Cars, just this huge machine ( i think Bending machine) a single man and the Woodframe Daytona
Note for later Pics, look at the Sticker in right side with standing "NO ADMITTANCE"
next Pic is right the opposite of the clearly Shop Area ...
Lot of Wireing, Parts, cabels, even it looks a little bit messy.
note the big Bending Machine standing there again
At this Point i like to make a full view in the Area behind the Corner ...
when you looked behind the Daytona you will notice the Brick Wall with these Text on the Wall,
also right at the End of the Shop, not so surprising at the Moment of the tour
But now we stand right behind the Daytona Coupe and look at that (i was really surprised when i saw it first)
there is a little bit of "Working Office" Building in the Building ...
you still see the "NO ADMITTANCE" Sticker on the Door of the section Wall...
Fun Fact: Note the hanged up Jacket.
(Pic at the same Time Code like the pic befor)
when you stand right behind the Daytona you can see left the little "Working Office",
in the middle the closed brick Wall what mean you look at the
end of the Body Shop or nearly of the left Side of the Building (looked at the First Pics from my first post)
and on the right to the inner section Wall
with a better view of the right side to the inner section wall, we can see and open Door...
... and with these Pics i just finished for Today, later i will make modified skeetch what we see and proofed
know at this Time of the Tour.
I will finished with 2 Questions (without knowing the hole Skeetching at this time of Research
- What was behind the "Working Office", because there is some distance to the inner Brick Wall
- What was behind the Door at the right side
Greets Steve
Edith:
the skeetch drawing ... thatīs we stand after todays photo excurse
Richstang:
Steve,
You have picked some really good photos that help sort out and show the location of these main working areas of the Princeton shop. You may be the first person who has ever analyzed this building down to this level of detail before (and put them into words within a single thread). I honestly was not entirely sure what was going on in there, and haven't taken the time needed to analyze this myself.
To try and answer your questions;
-I think the 'working office' may be slightly further back towards the side brick wall from where you are showing it. (Farther away from the main driveway.)
Their should be a hall way somewhere in the center of that wall to the front of the building. It could be directly behind it. I need to see more photos of that area to be certain. (We can see the hall way in Allen Grant's floor plans).
Allen's floor plans may have been changed from paper to actuality or just off a bit in scale and positions. Certainly the windows don't look to match what is shown in the period photos (they are wider and spaced differently). Your sketch shows an accurate location for the sliding door along that back wall (visible when looking down the main area from the garage door opening. I'm still trying to figure out what is behind that sliding door and what is next to the corner outside exit door.
-The other door in the back corner of the fabrication work area (not a sliding door) probably enters the engine room at the very back of the building.
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