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Re: Carb tags
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2019, 08:29:20 PM »
Look at the P in trademark circle instead of R  have seen that done on restamped shocks you have the look but not get in trademark R circle copy problems but with P in trademark circle u have no Problems haha
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Re: Carb tags
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2019, 08:48:21 PM »
Look at the P in trademark circle instead of R  have seen that done on restamped shocks you have the look but not get in trademark R circle copy problems but with P in trademark circle u have no Problems haha

+1 That is the big detail but there are other clues. Reproduction tags are starting to show up on all types of Ford and Holley carburetors. On some HP289 application carburetors original assembly tags can be the most valuable piece of a core as so many were lost over the decades.
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Re: Carb tags
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2019, 10:48:11 AM »
+2 Fake tag for sure . Like Ed noted , look at the circle R , it's a "P" , not an R for registered trademark. This would NOT fly at Ford . Just like the Shelby America vin tags. There is a guy in Fla that has nice repop FoMoCo tags for sale. I've bought a few.
   Like Dan and others I have never seen a legit S1MS or S2MS carb tag in all the years I have been doing this. The carburetor was initially supplied to SAI not Ford and the tag was a Ford deal only. It is my opinion that the lack of a call out for a tag continued on after Ford put the parts into their system after '67. Ford Parts and Service Division didn't have SAI parts until AFTER SAI ( LAX) closed.
   Cory ,
       Your tags for the 3360-3361 are a bit different than the more common FoMoCo tag. They are genuine for sure , no doubt. One of my three has a tag like that and the other two are the more common style without the "boxed" areas around the numbers.
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Re: Carb tags
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2019, 11:30:11 AM »
Does anyone recognize a tag like this ?

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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2019, 12:06:26 PM »
   Yes. Often found on carbs of that part number . Green color is correct.
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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2019, 06:30:40 PM »
   Yes. Often found on carbs of that part number . Green color is correct.

+1, except not under that screw for an assembly with an automatic choke. I would expect under the top left choke screw. You can see an old fold line in your tag pictured.
 



If the carburetor is from something like this example (secondary carburetor CSX31xx 427 Cobra) without a choke the tag normally went here.



Preservation Tip: The spiral lock washers on Ford and Holley screws really chew up the mounting holes in assembly tags. I found some very thin small outer diameter flat washers to use with the factory screws to prevent adding any more damage to original tags. 
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Re: Carb tags
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2019, 10:35:21 PM »
   Yes. Often found on carbs of that part number . Green color is correct.
When was the end of the use of the green tags ?

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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2019, 10:44:47 AM »
   That is a difficult question as not "all" of the tags those years were green! I haven't found a reason for the green tags. Others were brass , and in later years they were anodized various colors , mainly redish purple and blue. There "had" to be a reason behind it , I simply haven't found the answer.
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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2019, 11:04:20 AM »
   Yes. Often found on carbs of that part number . Green color is correct.
When was the end of the use of the green tags ?

I have no idea. The latest one I have a picture of is from a low mile unrestored original owner 1967 427 Cobra dated 1966 April 2nd Week.
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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2019, 11:14:16 AM »
   That is a difficult question as not "all" of the tags those years were green! I haven't found a reason for the green tags. Others were brass , and in later years they were anodized various colors , mainly redish purple and blue. There "had" to be a reason behind it , I simply haven't found the answer.
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+1 Also just for fun, after mid summer 1962 (Ford purchase the AUTOLITE® brand name in mid 1962) a service assembly might have a tag with an "AUTOLITE"® logo.  There is a service unit for a certain FE engine package or HP260 powered Cobra offered on eBay® currently made in 1962 with an Autolite tag. If had been a FoMoCo® tag I would have purchased it.




My theory on the brass tags it that they helped identify service assemblies.

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« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2019, 04:03:06 PM »
 That Autolite tag is darned rare! I have a note on the reason for the brass tag but I  haven't found it so



i didn't offer my information regarding it. When I rediscover where I have it , I'll post the info.
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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2019, 04:56:20 PM »
That green tag looks familiar. I believe when I had that set of BJ BK carbs about 8 years ago the one tag which was intact was green.
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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2019, 05:01:01 PM »
That green tag looks familiar. I believe when I had that set of BJ BK carbs about 8 years ago the one tag which was intact was green.
I have seen the green tags on the BJ and BK carbs numerous times however the carbs/tags that I have seen were dated typically earlier then what would be expected on 67 production.
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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2019, 06:16:15 PM »
That Autolite tag is darned rare!  Randy

I have seen a few on service replacement carburetors made before production tags started using the AUTOLITE® brand name all on the tags.  This is by date the earliest one I have come across.

Ford bought the brand name in mid 1962. The Ford 4100 family of carburetors started in the mid 1950s. 
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« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2019, 12:53:28 PM »
  +1 Bob . Natural aluminum finish on late 66-67 BJ -BK carbs. "I" haven't seen a green tag on a carb after '65 ( date stamp). The stamping font differs from a Holley to an Autolite (until '69) in case no one noticed. Another reason why the S2MS tag is a fake.
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