I had some of the 15 x 6 inch versions made special order for us. took 4 months. Tim is correct. they are OK but the indents arent as pronounced and the center hole is larger. They are also welded together if you are looking for riveted- good luck. I have to take them to get steelbrated to remove all the imperfections prior to painting. Then epoxy primer black prior to painting the champaigne gold metallic. Ive been retailing them for $475 a wheel painted. The top picture is painted. the other two are bare steel fresh from getting steelbrated (920) 434 3645