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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2019, 06:19:21 PM »
easy peasy,  diana ross, florence ballard and mary wilson

the supremes

Funny!!! Good one, Tony!


I think I overreacted. But still. Not everybody shares the same interests. And no, I'd be hard pressed to name all the Supremes. Not so interesting for me.
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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2019, 06:25:57 PM »
Dunning Kruger effect. We assume because we have superior knowledge that everyone else does. Conversely those who do not have superior knowledge think in fact they have superior knowledge over everybody else.  I always assume somebody knows something that I do not. I listen and evaluate. If I have doubts I research several sources to confirm before I act. It kills spontaneity but gives certainty as the trade-off.

Pretty sure that is the first time that I've seen that phrase... but I guess one can see it almost everywhere. Very interesting, thanks.

I agree that there are a LOT of folks ("most"?) who have no interest - and thus no knowledge - of cars or the history of the automobile. Yes -" Appliances".
Years ago I was at a Material Handling Trade Show, having dinner with a group of maybe a dozen guys. They were talking about Golf, I was sitting and listening just like the proverbial bump-on-a-log (golf is not my thing). One of the guys asked what my hobby was, I told him "car stuff". He shrugged and they went right back to golf.
It's surprising [to me] the sheer number of people who will sort of minimize our hobby (and the associated businesses) as something off-beat. I've shown pictures of the mob scene at Hershey and talked about crowds at other events, usually that is a big surprise to the uninformed.
Seems like "National Collector Car Appreciation Day" and the new(-ish) USA National Historic Vehicle Register are good steps... possibly taken by SEMA and the HVA to help people "see" the size and value [historically and $$ economically] of auto enthusiasm(?)
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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2019, 06:29:52 PM »
lazonia? Never heard of him. Or it. Or them. Wasn't that the recommended oil for Model T's? Damn it Doug how do you know so much? NYC public schools?

Sitting today as a Cook County arbitrator. I get to hear auto accident cases, contract cases and so on. I do this about five times a year as do many attorneys in Chicagoland. We sit in panels of three attorneys. I never know who I will be sitting with. Well today I am sitting next to a guy who appears in his 70s. I naturally broached the subject of the new Ford versus Ferrari movie and mentioned the name Carroll Shelby. He had no idea who Shelby was or the Cobra. Whaaaaaa? I sort of took offense to that. It disturbed me and still is as I wait for my 10:30 case to be called. The greatest automotive legend of our time not known by this attorney? What, yah live under a rock? That told me just now how unique and special we are as automotive enthusiasts, gearheads and the like. Maybe it's always been that way. We are an elite in a very manly area of interest.

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Richard E.
I'll keep y'all posted if he says anything stranger than that last bit. Doesn't know Shelby. Huh.

There ARE people who never heard of Mickey Mantle, Roy Rogers. Winston Churchill, lazonia, etc. You guys are Attorneys and I'm sure that you could start naming Supreme Court justices that I've never heard of that were instrumental in changing our society?

There was a guy that came up to me at a car show where I had my 68 GT350. He wanted to show his GF the car in detail and wanted to know if it was ok. I said sure.

In listening to the conversation, she said "so, it's a Camaro?" He came back later and appologized without her. I said. "it's ok. I'm not insulted. Just don't marry her."

Then there was this older Jewish guy that I knew that worked in the furniture upholstery business all his life in NYC. He was going to write a book and blow up all of the secrets in the industry? A block buster for sure.

I think that this new film will bring some light to the situation? Gone in 60 seconds sure did. A lot of people still think of a car as just an appliance like a washing machine. Many have never heard of Henry Ford. Shocking, I know. Who teaches the kids? ;D

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Yet, my 20 year HS reunion didn't work out so well. When you get sentenced for murder, you aren't eligible for parole until you serve 25 years. Low attendance. Surprised at the girls though? Maybe not?

Smart: I stayed at a Holiday Inn once a long time ago.
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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2019, 06:41:52 PM »
As additional commentary to this lawyer, I contend that he was in his heyday during the 1960s.  The 1960s was a period of time when auto racing, street racing and muscle cars/ sports cars of all kinds patrolled the streets.  You weren't anyone as a guy unless you had some modicum of interest in said subject matter (or at least was aware of it).  I further add that the number one hit, Hey Little Cobra was number one for a week, so unless this guy was exclusively into Baroque music, how could he not know about that song.  I play classical and romantic era music on the piano but you can be damned sure I know who Led Zeppelin is, Pantera, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Guns n Roses, Metallica, Soundgarden, Audioslave and so on.  Was there not a minimal amount of inquiry merited to ask, "Hey, what's this hey little Cobra song all about?"  Apparently not.  I'm just a dumb Canadian having grown up in Canada, somewhat insular from U.S. culture and even I knew what a Cobra was when I started high school in 1977!  And one more thing, anyone that ever tells me "Oh that was way before my time." My response is "So were dinosaurs.  Are you going to tell me you don't know what a dinosaur is?"  That is usually met with silence.  Whatever the Supreme Court did and who they are and were is not part of the national conscious.  Shelby brought a hell of a lot more joy to people's lives (Enzo Ferrari excepted of course) than the members of the Supreme Court.  All they bring is pain and more restrictions and curtailments on what we can and cannot do.  Lawyers and judges kinda suck in a way.  Carroll Shelby should be better known in my opinion.  Living back in  the 60s in your heyday as a youth and not knowing such things is like swimming in the ocean and being totally unaware of sharks.  That's my two cents for what it's worth which, in this case, is apparently two cents.

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Richard,

You have summed it up very well.  I bet if you followed that lawyer out into the parking lot, he'd be driving a Prius or some other lame azz "save the planet" appliance.

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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2019, 06:42:06 PM »

That's my two cents for what it's worth which, in this case, is apparently two cents.

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US or Canadian? OK. So who's this Beytovan guy?
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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2019, 06:54:53 PM »

That's my two cents for what it's worth which, in this case, is apparently two cents.

Richard E.

US or Canadian? OK. So who's this Beytovan guy?

Not Canadian.

Government stopped making pennies Feb 4 2013.

Cost more to made that they are worth.  ???

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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2019, 07:13:27 PM »
True story:

When I worked for CS, as PR Manager, at the Shelby Autos facility in 1987-89, I got to know Leno a little bit.  He hung around a couple of times, met Shelby, talked cars, etc.

So, one day, Carroll instructs me:  "Get me booked on the Carson show when Leno is hosting." 

OK, I'll give it a shot.

I call Jay and ask. He thinks it would be fun, but warned that he didn't have a lot of pull as to who the guests were, as it was still Johnny's show, and Johnny would definitely be watching the broadcast, or reviewing the tapes, to see how Jay did. 

But, Jay did give me the number of his agent/manager, Helen Kushnick, who apparently did have the pull to book guests.  (She later became the show's Executive Producer, when Johnny retired and Jay got the full-time gig.)

She was regarded by many in the business as tough to deal with, and I knew I'd only have about 30 seconds of her attention to make the pitch---and it'd better be a good one.

I wrote out a bunch of suggested talking points for Jay and Carroll, and read them off when I finally got her on the phone.  I emphasized to her that Carroll is an icon and hero to an entire generation or two of Americans, as well as a household name to millions of men (and Tonight Show viewers.) 

When I got done with my pitch, there was silence on the other end of the receiver.

Finally..."Never heard of her."   CLICK.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-09-23-ca-1114-story.html
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2006 FGT. Tungsten. Whipple, HRE 20s, Ohlin coil-overs, 3.90 gears. 210.7 mph.

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1970 Ranchero GT 429
1969 LTD Country Squire 429
1963 T-Bird Sport Roadster
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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2019, 07:21:48 PM »
So she got fired. Good. Karma is a bitch and apparently so was she.
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« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2019, 08:51:22 AM »

In listening to the conversation, she said "so, it's a Camaro?" He came back later and appologized without her. I said. "it's ok. I'm not insulted. Just don't marry her."


Thanks for the laugh this morning!

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« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2019, 11:57:25 AM »
     This isn't a new phenomenon, after all, when the early Europeans explorers first inquired of the the then current Egyptian peoples as to the purpose and history the the pyramids, or how to read the hieroglyphic writings, this being evidence of some great society of the past, no one knew anything about them, other than they had always just been there.        :o

     Personally, I think the pyramids were formed due to the fact that the people were tired of tripping over the rocks, littered though out the desert, so they collected them up into piles that wouldn't be easily missed, even in the dark!   But then, what do I know.       ::)

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« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2019, 05:24:31 PM »
easy peasy,  diana ross, florence ballard and mary wilson

the supremes


I think I overreacted. But still. Not everybody shares the same interests. And no, I'd be hard pressed to name all the Supremes. Not so interesting for me.
Lol to "don't marry her!"
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« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2019, 05:25:34 PM »
Egyptians didn't build the pyramids. An earlier civilization did. You can't carbon date stone and when you expose elements to high doses of radiation they carbon test more then ten times newer, or is that to the power of 10 newer? I forget now which it is? Gotta go back and look at the test data sheet.

I'd suspect that Armageddon already happened and we're the "meek that inherited the Earth" and they are our oil fields, but that's just speculation based on circumstantial evidence. Dr. Hawass doesn't except any of that. I don't blame him. ;D


Oh incidentally, I have no idea who the Camaro was named after. Who was he?
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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2019, 09:12:09 PM »
As additional commentary to this lawyer, I contend that he was in his heyday during the 1960s.  The 1960s was a period of time when auto racing, street racing and muscle cars/ sports cars of all kinds patrolled the streets. 
Maybe he grew up in New York City. Most people there don't even know how to drive. Our daughter is 47 and knows cars. She hated Mustangs because that is what was always around. In high school she drove my hot rod 70 Sports Roof and was tired of all the guys hanging around trying to pick her up. She is still mad at me for selling our little 1963 Mini station wagon when she was 5. My wife made it up to her by giving her our later RHD Cooper when she got her 04 Tbird. The 10 year old grandson is being properly schooled - wife has taught him all the Beatle songs and we've taken him to SAAC conventions and races.
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2019, 09:48:19 PM »
Nice!

That looks like the Dragula in the background....
"Low she sits on five spoke wheels
Small block eight so live she feels
There she's parked beside the curb
Engine revving to disturb
She's the princess from his past
Red paint gold stripes damned she's fast"

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« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2019, 10:48:12 PM »
Re: Helen Kushnick
True story:

So, one day, Carroll instructs me:  "Get me booked on the Carson show when Leno is hosting." 

OK, I'll give it a shot.

I call Jay and ask. He thinks it would be fun, but warned that he didn't have a lot of pull as to who the guests were, as it was still Johnny's show, and Johnny would definitely be watching the broadcast, or reviewing the tapes, to see how Jay did. 

But, Jay did give me the number of his agent/manager, Helen Kushnick, who apparently did have the pull to book guests.  (She later became the show's Executive Producer, when Johnny retired and Jay got the full-time gig.)

She was regarded by many in the business as tough to deal with, and I knew I'd only have about 30 seconds of her attention to make the pitch---and it'd better be a good one.

I wrote out a bunch of suggested talking points for Jay and Carroll, and read them off when I finally got her on the phone.  I emphasized to her that Carroll is an icon and hero to an entire generation or two of Americans, as well as a household name to millions of men (and Tonight Show viewers.) 

When I got done with my pitch, there was silence on the other end of the receiver.

Finally..."Never heard of her."   CLICK.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-09-23-ca-1114-story.html

Checked out Helen's IMDb bio. Sounds like she politely said no thanks.