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VIN on Trans in 66?
« on: February 13, 2020, 02:33:24 PM »
In the 66 Shelbys did the T-10's get VIN stamped?

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Re: VIN on Trans in 66?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2020, 02:54:43 PM »
no vins on T10s
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Re: VIN on Trans in 66?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2020, 02:58:23 PM »
Ok Thanks. And were they all the T-10M is aluminum? Thanks

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Re: VIN on Trans in 66?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2020, 03:06:04 PM »
T10M  aluminum were prevalent  to approx  serial number 1100  after that they were cast iron boxes
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Re: VIN on Trans in 66?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2020, 04:29:13 PM »
T10M  aluminum were prevalent  to approx  serial number 1100  after that they were cast iron boxes

And I believe the cast iron T10M-1's had not external means to identify them as the close ration high nickel gear tranny.  They look identical to the standard cast iron T10H-1 for Mustang.

Here is a link to a tranny that sort of fits the ticket, but I don't think so.  It seams the assembly date code for a cast iron high nickel T10M-1 is too early plus it has a VIN stamp.  I am betting it is a recreation.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-66-67-SHELBY-BIG-BLOCK-T-10-4-SP-TRANSMISSION-Rebuilt-High-Nickel-NOS-Gears/233482739428?hash=item365ca7dee4:g:dyUAAOSweS5eNaTb

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Re: VIN on Trans in 66?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2020, 05:33:21 PM »
    Cory,
      This seller is delusional!
   #1  NO big block SAI  "production" Mustang or Cobra used a T10 , Toploader ONLY.
   #2  The vin is NOT a Mustang vin and it is NOT in the place where vins were commonly stamped on NON SAI produced vehicles
   #3 NO big block Mustang ever used  T-10
   #4 "Sebring" close ratio gears were never made with a "short" big block input shaft. "Regular" close ratio sets were and were used in Galaxie big blocks ( with the short input.
     This trans has been altered with a Mustang output shaft and tail housing.
    #5 VINs were never put on T-10s in SAI built cars . Toploaders ('67 up) yes
   BUYER BEWARE !!!!
    Randy
« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 05:37:34 PM by gt350hr »
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Re: VIN on Trans in 66?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2020, 05:50:17 PM »
T10M  aluminum were prevalent  to approx  serial number 1100  after that they were cast iron boxes

And I believe the cast iron T10M-1's had not external means to identify them as the close ration high nickel gear tranny.  They look identical to the standard cast iron T10H-1 for Mustang.

Here is a link to a tranny that sort of fits the ticket, but I don't think so.  It seams the assembly date code for a cast iron high nickel T10M-1 is too early plus it has a VIN stamp.  I am betting it is a recreation.


Cast iron T10s in GT350s werent T10M   that designation was limited to the alloy boxes.   they used the T10 H castings  Ive rebuilt many of these and about half of the ones that supposedly came from a GT350 were actual close ratio

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-66-67-SHELBY-BIG-BLOCK-T-10-4-SP-TRANSMISSION-Rebuilt-High-Nickel-NOS-Gears/233482739428?hash=item365ca7dee4:g:dyUAAOSweS5eNaTb

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Re: VIN on Trans in 66?
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2020, 06:19:34 PM »
    Cory,
      This seller is delusional!
   #1  NO big block SAI  "production" Mustang or Cobra used a T10 , Toploader ONLY.
   #2  The vin is NOT a Mustang vin and it is NOT in the place where vins were commonly stamped on NON SAI produced vehicles
   #3 NO big block Mustang ever used  T-10
   #4 "Sebring" close ratio gears were never made with a "short" big block input shaft. "Regular" close ratio sets were and were used in Galaxie big blocks ( with the short input.
     This trans has been altered with a Mustang output shaft and tail housing.
    #5 VINs were never put on T-10s in SAI built cars . Toploaders ('67 up) yes
   BUYER BEWARE !!!!
    Randy

Hi Randy,

I didn't think things were adding up right.  Thanks for the clarifications.  So is this a "Frankenstein" tranny and fits nothing?  Any would be buyer will certainly be very disappointed.

Thanks

Cory
« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 06:22:49 PM by 6s1640 »

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Re: VIN on Trans in 66?
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2020, 06:31:36 PM »
Does anyone know how T10s were identified on the assembly line? They don't have tags or VINS so how did a line worker know they were selecting a close  ratio sebring high nickle trans versus C or A code wide ratio T 10
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Re: VIN on Trans in 66?
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2020, 06:44:55 PM »
   Dave,
      When the DSO (Domestic Special Order) cars came down the line the "DSO transmissions" were bolted to the engine assembly already to be installed as a single unit. Most don't realize that the assembly line wasn't like an average garage . There wasn't enough time . I wasn't like there were transmissions "laying around". Take a look at some of the assembly line videos available on youtube  to see how things were done . Most ''stations" had less than 5 minutes to accomplish their specific operation. There were various "pre assembly areas" where sub assemblies were put together before going to the actual line. All built to a specific "build sheet" , NO variation allowed.
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Re: VIN on Trans in 66?
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2020, 06:46:12 PM »
Hi Randy,

IIRC, the cast iron T10M-1's were also not covered in the Ford MPC nor any T10 in the Ford Maintenance manuals.  Any reason why?

I will have to check the MPC if the aluminum version is in the Ford MPC, but I will bet not.

Thanks

Cory
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Re: VIN on Trans in 66?
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2020, 07:15:47 PM »
Randy
So in the pre assembly area they were bolting to the hipo 289s either top loaders for non shelby K cars or close ratio T10s to shelby bound K cars. It's always been odd to me that every other transmission has an ID tag and these dont. When they got crates of them from Borg Warner how were they identified so they didn't get attached to a C or A code motor in the sub assembly area? Would also seem to have been a problem at the dealership for repair or replacement issues

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Re: VIN on Trans in 66?
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2020, 07:38:05 PM »
Whoever was doing the assembling mustang have been very familiar with the transmissions haha.

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Re: VIN on Trans in 66?
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2020, 12:16:27 AM »
Seems like a weird VIN choice to stamp on it, codes for a 65 Comet 289 4V...
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Re: VIN on Trans in 66?
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2020, 11:59:01 AM »
Hi Randy,
IIRC, the cast iron T10M-1's were also not covered in the Ford MPC nor any T10 in the Ford Maintenance manuals.  Any reason why?
I will have to check the MPC if the aluminum version is in the Ford MPC, but I will bet not.
Thanks
Cory


Just for my own clarification, there was a RPO BW T10(H??) used in 65 & 66, just std iron case and gear ratios.
This is the only BW 4sp listed in the MPC for Galaxy, Fairlane, Mustang & Falcon.

Did all GT350 T10's come with high nickel Sebring gear sets?

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