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Re: 1967 to 1968 production Mustangs with 427 Engine installation.
« Reply #45 on: March 23, 2020, 11:09:47 AM »
Got you beat by two years  :o

Maybe Ford will resurrect Mercury and finish building these "original" 427 Cougars  ;D

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Re: 1967 to 1968 production Mustangs with 427 Engine installation.
« Reply #46 on: March 23, 2020, 11:37:00 AM »
   No big deal if the 1,000 minimum required for FIA homologation wasn't met because nobody road raced them!  Papers were filed in advance "in case" anyone chose to race them. So they aren't FIA legal , who cares?

     Royce doesn't acknowledge ( rightly so) the three '67 427 GT500s , one '65 R model , or ten 427SOHC A/FX Mustangs because NONE were "Ford assembly line" built that way. All were built BEFORE sold to the "first legal owner" , but were "engine swaps"  after being built on the assembly line with different ( production) engines. IIRC , Ford Engineering "retained" one Mustang for testing the 427 engine package , but it was NOT a W vin . The W code Mustang was NEVER given the green light for production. ONE would not have "slipped out" like the later "one of one" '71 Boss 351 now owned by Bob Perkins. Yes , I know it was repowered by Ford and sold as a 351-2V with changed VIN by Ford before being sold.
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Re: 1967 to 1968 production Mustangs with 427 Engine installation.
« Reply #47 on: March 23, 2020, 11:39:02 AM »
The '68 W code 427 is basically a 428CJ with a better short block and forged pistons. It's not high maintenance at all if treated with minimal respect. Certainly it will take more abuse than a 428CJ / SCJ without expensive damage. That's the problem with the '68 427 - some think they know something even though they have never owned one or known anyone who did.

Both Richard Petty and David Pearson won 16 NASCAR races in 1968 driving 427 equipped Fords. None of the other manufacturers won even half that number of races. Pearson won the championship easily because he also had lots of other podium finishes, more than Petty. Without the homologation of this fabulous engine none of that would have been possible.

Pearson went on to repeat in '69 driving both 427 and 429 Boss powered Fords.


Doug, I agree with you. No shortage of cars who replaced the 428, usually after failures with 427s. I am running one now as well.
I have a service block that is a thick-wall 428 as well. I think what I don't like is the removal of the export brace and cutting the Panduit tie warps every time I service valves. I found about 10 of the older nylon ones that show their age. I even have a Panduit gun that pulls them tight and cuts them.
I am happy with the change thus far.

When the 427 was new, it was a hard line 6,500 rpm engine. Valve springs were the issue. The rest of the engine was good probably with Lemans rods to 8,000 or so.

The CJ was similar with maybe a 6000 rpm limit.

Today we can build a real 8,000 rpm 7.

The problem with it is it is still a high maintenance engine.


At the moment my main concentration is on the 347. It's being a PITA like the 427. I've adjusted the valves three times and it keeps twisting up the carb linkage. I thought I'd be done with this last Ausgust? Oh, great big silly boy that I am?

There is "billiance" in the concept of a 428cj street car that can be driven every day. A 427 is really a race engine and you need to own one to realize what that means.

Actually, believe it or not but my Pantera with the Webers by comparison to my two other engines is virtually maintenance free?

It's my own fault. I created this situation. I need my own pit crew and team of mechanics. I need to be like a F! driver and just jump in and drive them...and stop complaining. I can't even stand to hear myself now too. I wish I'd just shut up?
I know a guy with 2 W-code Cougars. He lives  near me in Mi. His name is Ray. He also has a 427 Comet. You might know him? Gary
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Re: 1967 to 1968 production Mustangs with 427 Engine installation.
« Reply #48 on: March 23, 2020, 11:47:48 AM »
The mistery of the W Code, if somebody will find one that will maybe a million dollar baby ;-) maybe somewhere in mexico its sitting and waiting for bj or mecum  ;D kevin marti will verify it  ::)
A couple of years ago I heard firsthand from Kevin at the Cougar nationals on his trek to Mexico to see the 2nd Bullitt car. Now if you are saying this is all a fairy tale please explain as this is the first I have heard about it. I find it odd that Kevin would spin a tail that could hurt his credibility in the industry. Gary
Gary ,not sure what Kent meant but if I were to guess it was that the numbers were verified by Kevin. I am confident of that also. The rest of the car body not so much at least based on some portions of the car that got photographed and published.
Kevin also told me when he saw the car it was butchered already but they had the original parts in a junk yard not far away. They went and got the parts and tied them to a roof of an SUV and they were flapping in the breeze when they came back. Those parts helped him confirm with other things it was the other car. Gary
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Re: 1967 to 1968 production Mustangs with 427 Engine installation.
« Reply #49 on: March 23, 2020, 02:48:57 PM »
Again, Kevin said just the opposite in person as well as two articles he wrote that are on Google. There are 0 W code 427 mustangs, nor were there any 427 mustangs built on ANY production line at any Ford plant. They don't exist.

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Re: 1967 to 1968 production Mustangs with 427 Engine installation.
« Reply #50 on: March 23, 2020, 03:50:53 PM »
zero, zilch, zip, nada...none. ;)
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Re: 1967 to 1968 production Mustangs with 427 Engine installation.
« Reply #52 on: March 23, 2020, 07:58:38 PM »
Hey I heard of a guy who tried to resurrect these unfinished fobras...

Got you beat by two years  :o

Maybe Ford will resurrect Mercury and finish building these "original" 427 Cougars  ;D

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Re: 1967 to 1968 production Mustangs with 427 Engine installation.
« Reply #53 on: March 23, 2020, 09:05:24 PM »
^^^^ ding, ding, ding - thank you Tony!

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Re: 1967 to 1968 production Mustangs with 427 Engine installation.
« Reply #54 on: April 14, 2020, 08:06:07 AM »

Sat in one and I liked it:-). Right or wrong, those non-ex-factory ones are cool.
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Re: 1967 to 1968 production Mustangs with 427 Engine installation.
« Reply #55 on: April 14, 2020, 08:09:30 AM »

Sat in one and I liked it:-). Right or wrong, those non-ex-factory ones are cool.


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Re: 1967 to 1968 production Mustangs with 427 Engine installation.
« Reply #56 on: April 14, 2020, 08:28:45 AM »
Yep that's one of the well known fakes that became really obvious when Kevin Marti was licensed to use the Fomoco records. Here are more photos of the fake data plate and windshield VIN plate:





Sat in one and I liked it:-). Right or wrong, those non-ex-factory ones are cool.


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1968 Cougar XR-7 GT-E 427 Side Oiler C6 3.50 Detroit Locker
1968 1/2 Cougar XR-7 428CJ Ram Air C6 3.91 Traction Lock

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Re: 1967 to 1968 production Mustangs with 427 Engine installation.
« Reply #57 on: April 14, 2020, 08:38:02 AM »
Wow! Talk about 1 of none! Date 26Z 😂😂😂! DSO 85😂😂😂!
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Re: 1967 to 1968 production Mustangs with 427 Engine installation.
« Reply #58 on: April 14, 2020, 08:54:59 AM »
Yup! I want to see the entire serial number. That's a partial of the watanty tag. Lots of people punching up what they want for those.

I want to see the vin tag and co-oberating stampings.

There was at least ONE really good fake floating around out of Oklahoma around 1980. I don't know if it's this car or what, but burden of proof is on the poster.  ;)
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Re: 1967 to 1968 production Mustangs with 427 Engine installation.
« Reply #59 on: April 14, 2020, 02:33:17 PM »
This particular car was sold by someone in OK to an unsuspecting person in Switzerland in the mid 1990's. That fellow put it up for sale in Switzerland in the early days of the internet and it ended up in Australia. I saved these photos when it was on eBay in 2009. There's a black 1968 convertible that is also very fake. I would not call either one "really good" because the door tag and the windshield VIN are very obvious fakes.

The white fastback was originally a C code 289 according to a good source. In the mid 1990's you could buy both a fake VIN for the windshield and a fake door tag from a company in Denver that is long defunct.


Yup! I want to see the entire serial number. That's a partial of the watanty tag. Lots of people punching up what they want for those.

I want to see the vin tag and co-oberating stampings.

There was at least ONE really good fake floating around out of Oklahoma around 1980. I don't know if it's this car or what, but burden of proof is on the poster.  ;)
1968 Cougar XR-7 GT-E 427 Side Oiler C6 3.50 Detroit Locker
1968 1/2 Cougar XR-7 428CJ Ram Air C6 3.91 Traction Lock