Okay, who is the SAAC member that provided his car for this event? There is a SAAC sticker on the driver front quarter window:
https://www.motor1.com/news/408919/shelby-gt350-combine-harvester-drag-race-video/
And the Shelby VIN?
8)
Quote from: Don Johnston on April 10, 2020, 03:11:20 AM
Okay, who is the SAAC member that provided his car for this event? There is a SAAC sticker on the driver front quarter window:
https://www.motor1.com/news/408919/shelby-gt350-combine-harvester-drag-race-video/
And the Shelby VIN?
8)
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Thank you. Yours? 8)
When you wake up from your pipe dream and realize that this is a classic example of when nostalgia meets reality.
Gives new meaning to ...GAPPED
Great video thanks for providing
I guess if the combine does not have the brakes to slow down by the end of the track, he plows to a stop!🤣
Quote from: TJinSA on April 10, 2020, 10:51:28 AM
I guess if the combine does not have the brakes to slow down by the end of the track, he plows to a stop!🤣
Or perhaps, it may prove to be case of: one shall reap that which one has sown! ::)
Scott.
Ultimate sleeper....(reaper?)...You streetrace this thing for$$$, and it puts food on the table in more ways than one!!! 8)
This was absolutely necessary! The world is a better place because of this creation. ;D
QSS
Quote from: TJinSA on April 10, 2020, 10:51:28 AM
I guess if the combine does not have the brakes to slow down by the end of the track, he plows to a stop!🤣
At Motor City Dragway, you would have to change the head to harvest the corn field at the end of the track. :D
Actually, I would like to know more about the Shelby (this is a Shelby focused site, after all) and the story behind why it was picked as the competition. There has got to a good bar bet story here. 8)
Quote from: Don Johnston on April 10, 2020, 02:30:47 PM
Actually, I would like to know more about the Shelby (this is a Shelby focused site, after all) and the story behind why it was picked as the competition. There has got to a good bar bet story here. 8)
Not sure, but I would think that the owner of the Shelby is also the new owner of the combine.
That's embarrassing.
That 68 needs a few mods and it looks like he was sleeping on the light...
I could give him a ten second head start and still beat him with my '66.
Should have been a GT500!
Should have been MY GT500!!! I would have "reaped"...
Would have been just about the same results....
Quote from: Don Johnston on April 10, 2020, 07:19:43 PM
Should have been a GT500!
Agreed
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on April 10, 2020, 01:06:52 PM
This was absolutely necessary! The world is a better place because of this creation. ;D
QSS
This works!
Driving position doesn't look very "orthopedic".... ;D
Better than the passenger position... ;D
TOB
Touché....
Yeah man - who didn't build the Boothill Express model!?
Built by Ray Farhner from a real horse-drawn hearse he found at a Kansas City funeral home.
It was hugely popular so Farhner built a fiberglass copy with a 426 Hemi that he took to the drag strip.
That is Hal Hammer making a pass with it at Beeline Dragway in Phoenix.
Photo credit J. R. Bloom from the book "America's Wildest Show Rods of the '60s & '70s"
- Phillip
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-140420191544.jpeg)
E.T. on that former hearse replica? 8)
Eternity?
I "dig" it....
Could have at least made it Ford v Ferrari https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYv2CKAFCYM
or Ford v Ford https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a05lKnwLCnQ
or Lambo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wjL7lDtxW8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_whlmZZ3UgI
or you can buy a Maserati to work on your tractor http://www.maserati-alfieri.co.uk/alfieri06mmmmmmm.htm
I bet he "buried" the competition :P ;D
Quote from: 69mach351w on April 14, 2020, 06:42:36 PM
Quote from: The Going Thing on April 11, 2020, 04:02:22 PM
This works!
Built the boot hill express way back in the 70's. The vintage is a cool collectible model now.
I have about five of them in my kit morgue. Romel's Rod, The Red Barron, Bad Medicine, Dragon Wagon, Pie Wagon, etc. Tom Daniel and the Show Rods were my favorites when I was younger. I have been building kits since I was seven.
Quote from: 557 on April 10, 2020, 08:35:26 PM
Should have been MY GT500!!! I would have "reaped"...
You would have CRIED............. ;D
I'm telling you when nostalgia meets reality, reality wins.
I would say that maybe 1 to 1/2 percent of the 1965 - 1970 Shelbys would keep up with this machine or the any of today's muscle cars.
Yes I know how I feel when I get in our dinosaurs, takes me back to then feeling and we thoroughly enjoy it. But it is what it is and their ain't no more.
Quote from: tesgt350 on April 15, 2020, 09:38:03 AM
Quote from: 557 on April 10, 2020, 08:35:26 PM
You would have CRIED............. ;D
It has always cracked me up listening to old muscle car owners fondly remembering how fast their cars were back in the day. The best any one of them
could do was low 14's, if that. Big block vettes or camaros could get in the 13's, but that's about it. Shelbys were just too slow. Sorry boys. I know because I ran them all. My TVR could do high 12's and never lost a street race against anyone, but my son's stock coyote mustang gt would kick my ass now three times over!
Quote from: 6s855 on April 15, 2020, 11:41:45 AM
It has always cracked me up listening to old muscle car owners fondly remembering how fast their cars were back in the day. The best any one of them
could do was low 14's, if that. Big block vettes or camaros could get in the 13's, but that's about it. Shelbys were just too slow. Sorry boys. I know because I ran them all. My TVR could do high 12's and never lost a street race against anyone, but my son's stock coyote mustang gt would kick my ass now three times over!
Speed was relative. When you are in the water swimming with your buddies, and a shark comes along. You don't need to out swim the shark, just your buddies.
Well, I run 11.26@119 through the traps with a four speed..... Not too shabby for old school. I just can't pull a 1G skidpad.
Dont forget those turbo 4 mustang's they are vicious !
Quote from: 6s855 on April 15, 2020, 11:41:45 AM
It has always cracked me up listening to old muscle car owners fondly remembering how fast their cars were back in the day. The best any one of them
could do was low 14's, if that. Big block vettes or camaros could get in the 13's, but that's about it. Shelbys were just too slow. Sorry boys. I know because I ran them all. My TVR could do high 12's and never lost a street race against anyone, but my son's stock coyote mustang gt would kick my ass now three times over!
You are one of those in the 1% group, everyone else take a number and sit down.
Quote from: The Going Thing on April 15, 2020, 12:50:06 PM
Well, I run 11.26@119 through the traps with a four speed..... Not too shabby for old school. I just can't pull a 1G skidpad.
Quote from: The Going Thing on April 15, 2020, 12:50:06 PM
Well, I run 11.26@119 through the traps with a four speed..... Not too shabby for old school. I just can't pull a 1G skidpad.
About 1990, Global West did a suspension project on a 67 or 8 Mustang. They generated 1.1 g's. It was published in Super Ford magazine I believe. I do believe it was a SB.
It was not a radical build. Essentially what I have described here previously.
Ask Randy about 1/4 times. I believe he is in the 11's?
Doug, I have a question for you. I'll shoot you a PM.
Quote from: 557 on April 14, 2020, 10:05:14 PM
E.T. on that former hearse replica? 8)
That was actually made from a REAL 1850's hearse. The background story on that one and the builder is fascinating.
https://kustomrama.com/wiki/Ray_Farhner%27s_Boothill_Express
Let's get back on topic "lawnmower beats Shelby" news at eleven
Art Deco mowers! Outstanding!
Shouldn't it have a bright orange "Caution: Fan" sticker? 8)
Quote from: 6s855 on April 15, 2020, 11:41:45 AM
It has always cracked me up listening to old muscle car owners fondly remembering how fast their cars were back in the day. The best any one of them
could do was low 14's, if that. Big block vettes or camaros could get in the 13's, but that's about it. Shelbys were just too slow. Sorry boys. I know because I ran them all. My TVR could do high 12's and never lost a street race against anyone, but my son's stock coyote mustang gt would kick my ass now three times over!
The Mel Burns '65 GT350 ran high 12's in '66. It took me until '67 to get into the 12's with my Paxton blower equipped 289. By '69 I was in the 11's and by '72 I ran a best of 11.42 at 124 , before I ripped the axle housing off of the perches. "Some of us " WERE fast back then , and still are.
Randy
It's relative.Back in the day I did really well.Then came the 5.0 mustangs with crazy gears (for the street) :'(
You also need to realize that tire development has tremendously effected these times.
Most of the tires were like $39.99. There was a department store here called Floyd's. The street racers were buying RECAPS for $19.95 each. Those things would hook up like slicks.
I test drove a Porsche Camen with a PDK transmission. It's like a 270hp engine and does 0-60 in like 3.3 seconds. Everything is tuned to run that time. You just leave it in automatic and punch it.
The difference today is the tires, the cpu, and the gearing. If you know what you are doing, a vintage GT350 can do 12's. The 500 isn't that easy to drive. You need to pussy that thing just right and you need to balast the trunk quite a bit for traction, but it's a doable 11 second car in the RIGHT hands. If you don't know what you are doing, you will just spin the tires the entire length of the track like you're driving in snow.
Basically you need to short shift it. There no doubt are some legit 10 second 500's here?
Mr R
You sir are the exception to the rule making you a true 1 %
Be well
Quote from: gt350hr on April 15, 2020, 05:11:13 PM
Quote from: 6s855 on April 15, 2020, 11:41:45 AM
It has always cracked me up listening to old muscle car owners fondly remembering how fast their cars were back in the day. The best any one of them
could do was low 14's, if that. Big block vettes or camaros could get in the 13's, but that's about it. Shelbys were just too slow. Sorry boys. I know because I ran them all. My TVR could do high 12's and never lost a street race against anyone, but my son's stock coyote mustang gt would kick my ass now three times over!
The Mel Burns '65 GT350 ran high 12's in '66. It took me until '67 to get into the 12's with my Paxton blower equipped 289. By '69 I was in the 11's and by '72 I ran a best of 11.42 at 124 , before I ripped the axle housing off of the perches. "Some us " WERE fast back then , and still are.
Randy
Car & Driver - review on the Ford Mustang GT auto
At the test track, the automatic's advantage was clear as it better harnessed the 460 horses and 420 lb-ft of Ford's latest and melodious 5.0-liter V-8: The 10-speed GT rocketed to 60 mph in 3.8 seconds versus the manual's 4.3, and it shaved half a second off the quarter-mile run, posting a 12.1 at 120 mph compared to a 12.6 at 115 mph.
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Slap a supercharger or a twin hair dryer and a tune, suspension, rear axles, tires, you will dominate 99% of what's on the street today.
Quote from: 557 on April 15, 2020, 06:58:57 PM
It's relative.Back in the day I did really well.Then came the 5.0 mustangs with crazy gears (for the street) :'(
I think what we are looking at with the automatic vs. manual is the gearing. It's difficult for a 5 or 6 speed manual to compete with a 8 or 10 speed automatic that works.
A driver can't even think as fast as the automatic is. It already beat you to the shift before it even hit your brain to shift.
In the '60s, it was about marketability. What was practical for a manufacture to attempt to sell?
The first 5 speed transmission that I know of to appear was the ZF that found it's way into the GT40, the Mangusta and Pantera.
If you follow the negatives from Ford on it, you will see that there was immediate resistance to it.
After all, the basic transmission in the production Mustang was still a 3 speed. 0-60 times were still just technical data listed by the car magazines.
A 5 speed manual? Common? Our customers can't even count that high?
Consider the hot tire of the time. The Goodyear polyglass with raised white letters. It was marketed as a "performance tire" and by the standards of the time, it was...but it really wasn't. It was just a marketing ploy like adding "Boss stripes" to a car to make it "cool".
There are enough 2v v8 station wagons still that run in the 10's in the 1/4, simply because traction and gearing were dealt with correctly.
The performance transmission of the era was a 4 speed with a 2.32 first gear. Combine that with a 3.50 rear and that car wasn't going anywhere very fast off of the line BUT it was relative to everything else offered.
In order to get a good 1/4 time, with a 2.32 first gear, you needed 4.88 rears? That's all you could do to get the gearing. Now manual transmissions all start in first gear with around 3.25's
An 11 second street car isn't that easy to drive. Particularly when it tears out, rear axle mounts and in my case, crinkles the roof on both sides? ;D
Not only that, but my $5.99 Tom McCanns were pretty slippery on the pedals. I didn't get my first Joe Namath leather Puma's until about 1970. Those changed the driving dynamics somewhat also.
I do remember having a discussion with a Ford "Engineer" back around then and his answer was basically in a very undignified tone of basically, "Ford doesn't sell race cars for the street kid. Get lost. Get a hair cut".
That's before the expression, "eat me" became popular but I can point to the origins of the phrase.
Funny how publicly Ford has become respectful of the grey hair...and yes, I still do need a hair cut...so "eat me". :o
Great statement and very valid , back in the day ;
An 11 second street car isn't that easy to drive. Particularly when it tears out, rear axle mounts and in my case, crinkles the roof on both sides?
Today it is achievable with your ac and radio playing tunes.
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on April 16, 2020, 09:29:47 AM
Great statement and very valid , back in the day ;
An 11 second street car isn't that easy to drive. Particularly when it tears out, rear axle mounts and in my case, crinkles the roof on both sides?
Today it is achievable with your ac and radio playing tunes.
Yup. Just like a video game.
I've got factory a/c.
Tony, you have got to put away the sports cards. If you say something doesn't exist, you had better be able to put up or shut up.
Basically put, you are full of shit and you are just embarrassing yourself on this counter culture, counter information campaign that you are on.
It's you man. It's not me.
Dodge Hellcat. Plunk down $70 grand , add some drag radials , DRIVE to the track with the air on getting well over 20 MPG. Run some 10 second ETs ( having the air on slows you by less than a tenth) , and drive back home at 20+ MPG. No rollbar needed because it's "stock". It is the cheapest "off the showroom floor" production car with 10 second capability. They are all over the place out here. Yes times have changed.
Randy
Also bear in mind if something goes wrong at speed in a vintage car the stakes are WAY higher than in a new car.No airbags,engineered crush zones,etc.,etc.etc. Where you might walk away without a scratch in a new car,in the old one you might end up eating the steering wheel or worse...."food for thought" :o ...be safe.
Good afternoon Doug,
Why so mad?
Let's address your points;
1) What does not exist?
I said some vintage vehicles ran in the 11 with the proper massaging . They are the 1%
2) No I am not full of feces, I discharged my bowels this morning
3) What counter information do you speak of ?
Have a great day
Quote from: shelbydoug on April 16, 2020, 10:00:29 AM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on April 16, 2020, 09:29:47 AM
Yup. Just like a video game.
I've got factory a/c.
Tony, you have got to put away the sports cards. If you say something doesn't exist, you had better be able to put up or shut up.
Basically put, you are full of shit and you are just embarrassing yourself on this counter culture, counter information campaign that you are on.
It's you man. It's not me.
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on April 16, 2020, 12:15:09 PM
Good afternoon Doug,
Why so mad?
Let's address your points;
1) What does not exist?
I said some vintage vehicles ran in the 11 with the proper massaging . They are the 1%
2) No I am not full of feces, I discharged my bowels this morning
3) What counter information do you speak of ?
Have a great day
Quote from: shelbydoug on April 16, 2020, 10:00:29 AM
Quote from: FL SAAC TONY on April 16, 2020, 09:29:47 AM
Yup. Just like a video game.
I've got factory a/c.
Tony, you have got to put away the sports cards. If you say something doesn't exist, you had better be able to put up or shut up.
Basically put, you are full of shit and you are just embarrassing yourself on this counter culture, counter information campaign that you are on.
It's you man. It's not me.
Good to know. You are such an overwhelming source of accurate information.
How about you two go to PM's?
+1
+2
Gentlemen will do
Thank you
https://www.motor1.com/news/408919/shelby-gt350-combine-harvester-drag-race-video/
The "Man Hug" at the end sucked, glad after the Wuhan Flu that there will no longer be man hugs.
Quote from: gt350hr on April 15, 2020, 05:11:13 PM
Quote from: 6s855 on April 15, 2020, 11:41:45 AM
It has always cracked me up listening to old muscle car owners fondly remembering how fast their cars were back in the day. The best any one of them
could do was low 14's, if that. Big block vettes or camaros could get in the 13's, but that's about it. Shelbys were just too slow. Sorry boys. I know because I ran them all. My TVR could do high 12's and never lost a street race against anyone, but my son's stock coyote mustang gt would kick my ass now three times over!
The Mel Burns '65 GT350 ran high 12's in '66. It took me until '67 to get into the 12's with my Paxton blower equipped 289. By '69 I was in the 11's and by '72 I ran a best of 11.42 at 124 , before I ripped the axle housing off of the perches. "Some of us " WERE fast back then , and still are.
Randy
Thanks for your real world historical account of what could be done back then. The late Mike Reimenschneider who owned a 68 KR vert also was the OO of a 68.5 coupe-I know a coupe is lighter but ran consistent very low 13s (stock)with it back in 68 on the original polyglas tires. Lost a couple of 10ths when he bought a new pair in 69 and found out Goodyear changed the tire design and made the tire a little harder. He bought all the display(F-70-14s) tires out of as many Goodyear tire stores as he could find and regained his 2 tenths. Had a few sets left when he sold the car way back then. Mike wasn't the sort of guy to "tell stories" either and was everyone's "go to" guy for stock or race carb applications. RIP Mike. Gary
Oh yeah, a 68 Gt350 to use? LMAO!!! even with the car cammed my 68 Gt350 was a major dog. The slowest Shelby of any Shelbys made during the 5 year run.
Disagree "Mon Ami" should have been with us this Saturday....
Quote from: 67 GT350 on May 10, 2020, 07:58:05 PM
The "Man Hug" at the end sucked, glad after the Wuhan Flu that there will no longer be man hugs.
Totally agree a few where fast and the majority where adequate
Reality vs Nostalgia.....
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on May 11, 2020, 12:36:00 AM
Quote from: gt350hr on April 15, 2020, 05:11:13 PM
Quote from: 6s855 on April 15, 2020, 11:41:45 AM
It has always cracked me up listening to old muscle car owners fondly remembering how fast their cars were back in the day. The best any one of them
could do was low 14's, if that. Big block vettes or camaros could get in the 13's, but that's about it. Shelbys were just too slow. Sorry boys. I know because I ran them all. My TVR could do high 12's and never lost a street race against anyone, but my son's stock coyote mustang gt would kick my ass now three times over!
The Mel Burns '65 GT350 ran high 12's in '66. It took me until '67 to get into the 12's with my Paxton blower equipped 289. By '69 I was in the 11's and by '72 I ran a best of 11.42 at 124 , before I ripped the axle housing off of the perches. "Some of us " WERE fast back then , and still are.
Randy
Thanks for your real world historical account of what could be done back then. The late Mike Reimenschneider who owned a 68 KR vert also was the OO of a 68.5 coupe-I know a coupe is lighter but ran consistent very low 13s (stock)with it back in 68 on the original polyglas tires. Lost a couple of 10ths when he bought a new pair in 69 and found out Goodyear changed the tire design and made the tire a little harder. He bought all the display(F-70-14s) tires out of as many Goodyear tire stores as he could find and regained his 2 tenths. Had a few sets left when he sold the car way back then. Mike wasn't the sort of guy to "tell stories" either and was everyone's "go to" guy for stock or race carb applications. RIP Mike. Gary
Oh yeah, a 68 Gt350 to use? LMAO!!! even with the car cammed my 68 Gt350 was a major dog. The slowest Shelby of any Shelbys made during the 5 year run.
In '67 - '68 I was 10 years old and had a paper route. There were two Shelbys on my route. One was a '67 GT350 with AC and automatic in Lime Gold. The other was a '68 GT500 in Lime Green metallic with auto and AC. Both cars had hubcaps. Both cars were parked in the street every night, not in garages. I doubt the owners ever took them to a drag strip. These were affluent men who drove their Shelby Mustang every day to the office. Rain or shine they sat outside.