Seems that there are some differences as how the stripes are layed out on the hood,,, Looking for the correct layout for the 2 hood stripes for a 6/9/69 Shelby gt 500, The car was painted sometime early in it life and does have stripes on the car, I cannot tell if they went over the existing stripes or if the layed them out again, ,,,,,
What is the correct shean,,, Seems like i have been seeing Gloss black ,,,, any feedback or recommendation would be appreciated, Thank you ,,,, Bob
Don't go by the drawing in the 97 saac registry on the front tip of black stripe as drawing says 15/16'' but its more like 1 1/2'' from what I seen on unrestored cars.The rear 11'' is correct as well as the rest of drawing so I think it was a typeo error in drawing or KK painters just changed there mind. I got some of the 70 old original hoodpaint stripe layouts from larry Lawrence the painter at KK plant who also painted the b9 hood scoops.
Ed,
Thank you,
, I would like to buy the layout or borrow to make a couple of detailed copies ,,, i be glad to send several copies for the ability to buy or borrow ,,,,, the factory stencil, let me know what is best,, Bob
Ok have to find it first but I looked thru my notes from unrestored 70 shelbys and its like I thought 1 1/2'' front wide. Bob it would be a great idea to make a stencil layout of the hood stripe as to get right especially the front curves to the point. I only got 1 side and there was a rh lh side of stripe but u can flip mine over to get the other side. I am sure there would be a market to sell these since nothing is out there and most I have seen were wrongly painted and this is a highly visable detail being on top of hood.
OK.,
what was the correct finish of Black,,,,,,, shean?????
I do have the original hood to the car [that was painted back in 75 ish era] and the 97 registry layout [ i will have to locate that information] With your right side layout,,, I can do a flip flop of the right side onto the left and do a layout and master stencil,,,, then get the " Special Ed Meyer Approval " and move forward ,,,, after that , there will be a master copy and a correct stencils,,
It will be interesting to see what the current hood [original] repainted ends up being,,,,,, Looks like to me , they mast over the edges and painted on top of the stripe ,, that is what looks like ,,, to me,,,,,
Thanks, Will call you or email you,,, please locate the right side stencil...... Bob
Found the KK stencils and haven't looked at them in years but they are rh outside and they were designed to stick to the edge of hood then they are lined up for stripe as u simply line up edge of stencil with hood side from front to rear. So would it be easier to make 1 wide stencil and have the center stripe part cut out or have 2 parts and just flip my KK stencil? I looked at 97 registry drawing and all measurements are correct EXCEPT the very front width wasn't 15/16'' as that has to be a typo mistake and it don't make sense and it wouldn't look right as 3 measurement i took from all original unrestored low mile 70 shelbys were 1 1/4'' plus to 1 1/2'' and most common i seen was 1 1/2''. These hood stripes were gloss black except for black jade being a dark color was low gloss. If u look in new registry u can see the photo i sent SAAC of Larry Lawrence painting the 70 shelby hood stripes and he also painted the boss 429 hoodscoops and he is were i got the stencils from back in the late 80s.
I am taking my original KK 1 side hood stripe stencil to a sign shop and have them flip it to make the other side so stay tuned and see what they say they can do and if so I will have some pairs made so 70 Shelby owners can get this hood stripe detail correct.
Just ordered a roll of stencil material and using my original KK stencil to make patterns since there are 4 pieces total to do 1 hood lh rh inner outer and these are esay to use as u just line up the outer edge with the edge of hood then measure over 11'' rear and 1 1/2'' front gaps. The 2 patterns are simply flipped over having glue on the other side but u need 4 pieces to do hood stripe concours correct. We will be selling the kits here shortly as I know 3 guys trying to get there 70 shelbys done for our 50th 70 Shelby show now moved to October in spring mill state park here in southern Indiana.
im in for them Ed,,,,,, just let me know,,, i take 2 sets,,, that way i have an extra set ,,,,, thank you,,, Bob
Checked 2 more original paint 70 Shelby hoods and both were 11'' rear and 1 1/2'' front black hood stripes and I am wondering if KK took off the front hood peak moulding before paint and had paper under the hood screen holes so black paint didn't blow thru the front and back hood screen holes under the hood engine bay areas?
Quote from: Special Ed on April 15, 2020, 08:57:34 PM
Checked 2 more original paint 70 Shelby hoods and both were 11'' rear and 1 1/2'' front black hood stripes and I am wondering if KK took off the front hood peak moulding before paint and had paper under the hood screen holes so black paint didn't blow thru the front and back hood screen holes under the hood engine bay areas?
That way has my vote for most likely.
I'm also interested in a set
Here are some pictures of when Ed and I laid the Original 3M Stencils down from the KK Plant.
As u can see those are original 1969 KK 3M (ford original stripe and decal vendor) stencils that u simple line up the outer edge of stencil with the outer edge of hood then measure over 11'' rear and 1 1/2'' front NOT 15/16''( typo mistake in original drawing). I am going to make the inner stencil using the original outer stencil since the curve is the same just flipping stencil over and this is as good as can get using the original stencils. I am going to make all 4 stencils since u have to have the glued part on bottom of all 4 stencils inner outer LH and RH to do it concours correct as most past repainted 70 Shelby hood stripes were guessed at unless u had an 70 original paint hood to copy but even if u did it would be hard to get that long curved sides correct. I have a couple extra of this outer side original KK stencils to sell if someone wants to make an offer as not sure what something like that part is worth. I wish I would have looked for these stencils a long time ago as I just found them buried behind all my stripe kits. I had forgot about them until recently Bob W. asked here about 70 Shelby hood stripes then I remember getting them long time ago from Larry Lawrence who painted 70 Shelby hood stripes and B0SS 429 hood scoops at fords KK plant back in 1969.
Ed,,,,
Well you have answered a huge question for me, My concern was also the transition from the side of the front air scoop to the frt of the hood,,, { the 1.5 inch } area,,,, It is very easy to see that they 'swept' the line to go with the contour of the scoop feature line of the hood, That is a huge area were i see alot of differences,, So , right there you have corrected or change what I see a huge difference,,, from the front of the hood to the sides of the first scoop,,
Also,,, very much still want 2 sets,,, I can see these to of huge value as this is a area that seems to be a little cloudy on detail,,, so , Keep me posted,,,
also,, so are you saying the hood screens are semi gloss black and the hood stripes are gloss black and they had for a better term,, Block Off or Templates to prevent gloss black paint from getting on the screens, ,,,,, that is my take away from your lasts post, Thank you again, Bob
top of screens were painted gloss black along with the stripes I would think and my sign shop guy has my original kk tape stripe and I gave him all the lengths to make all 4 pieces and he ordered a roll of striping material so we are going to make enough sets till the roll is used up. This is too hard too guess at and would be hard to do by hand and wouldn't be consistant as too many curves so this 4 piece layout will be very easy to do right the first time. I gave nate one of my original 70 shelby KK stripe layouts to sell on ebay for the 70 Shelby guy who thinks they have to have ev erything. Let me know how many 70 Shelby guys would want this stripe layout set of 4 so I know how many to have cut out as the more buyers the cheaper they will be sharing the cost as I got 3 people right now and need more?
Wondering if '70 hood stripe stencil is available for purchase from any source ?
Thanks
Adrian Jacobs
Quote from: aj on July 18, 2022, 10:46:10 PM
Wondering if '70 hood stripe stencil is available for purchase from any source ?
Thanks
Adrian Jacobs
Never heard of one nor anyone looking for one but your requests demonstrates that at least someone would purchase one if someone had access to a hand full of original paint cars to craft a reliable and correct one from
Quote from: J_Speegle on July 18, 2022, 11:15:13 PM
Quote from: aj on July 18, 2022, 10:46:10 PM
Wondering if '70 hood stripe stencil is available for purchase from any source ?
Thanks
Adrian Jacobs
Never heard of one nor anyone looking for one but your requests demonstrates that at least someone would purchase one if someone had access to a hand full of original paint cars to craft a reliable and correct one from
They were used at the KK plant as Ed mentioned in his reply Ed got a number of them decades ago and so did Bob Perkins. Bob gave me mine back in the mid 80's when I and a friend drove up to his house in the mid 80's. He had quite a few I think.
Cool Had not seen them. Surprised someone didn't knock off copies
They all were from 1 side. but i used it as a pattern to make sets of 4.
Ed, do you happen to have any stencils left ? I'd be interested to purchase ..even if only a single side of one. Thanks.
Have to check what i got left as i used some and sold some sets.
Quote from: aj on July 18, 2022, 10:46:10 PM
Wondering if '70 hood stripe stencil is available for purchase from any source ?
Thanks
Adrian Jacobs
Ebay. has a blue print. There are 2 styles at least I know of. Mine which is supported by a newly finished striped car by Larry at KK in 1969 and the narrower version which I think the stencils would get you? https://www.ebay.com/itm/393599111288?hash=item5ba455d078:g:XKwAAOSwVIJhUk6k
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The problem is people were going by the blueprint photo in the old registry but i went over all this with vinny and the new registry will have corrected info. The blueprint front tip measurement looks like 15/16''. too narrow but was supposed to be 1 5/16''. of which is closer to all the 70 original paint cars that i have documented. I seen the front tip measurement on original cars to be between 1. 1/4'' to 1 1/2''. but mostly they are around 1 3/8''
Quote from: Special Ed on July 19, 2022, 06:59:16 PM
The problem is people were going by the blueprint photo in the old registry but i went over all this with vinny and the new registry will have corrected info. The blueprint front tip measurement looks like 15/16''. too narrow but was supposed to be 1 5/16''. of which is closer to all the 70 original paint cars that i have documented. I seen the front tip measurement on original cars to be between 1. 1/4'' to 1 1/2''. but mostly they are around 1 3/8''
Ed, I know my stripes were original when I bought my car in 1985. My measurements varied only at the front compared to what you mentioned that is in the 1987 SAAC registry. I remember on SAAC 1.0 that mine were "too wide" at the front compared to "original cars". My car was discounted since it was repainted once in another color. My stripes were "backtaped"(lower than the new paint and burned through from rubbing at the rear edge revealing original paint). Since then original pics surfaced of my car and also one of Larry's painted car. What ever happened to the finding of original paint cars like an OO yellow one in NY that had the "narrow" version which was presented to me as correct? I mention that because right after that topic now and then people would send me pics of original paint cars with the same width as on my car over the next few years. Privately. Not posting on the forums and before my pics below surfaced. I'm just glad that "judges" now consider the "wide" version correct. Am I remembering that topic wrong from the 2000s on SAAC 1.0? I remember being told that the templates would have a narrower "fang" style of stripe from the front scoops to the front edge of the hood.
I do not see how hard it is to mask off the stripes by hand after marking "set" points for taping? Larry's original hood stripes on that white(?) car looks like they were straight and followed the "tangent" point of the hood where the flats meet the raised areas. I never asked Larry but would not discount that after a while he could free hand them. Ed, did you ever asked him about that? I did a lot of measurements of my stripes before I stripped the hood to get them correct.
Larry is where the 70 hood stencils came from leftover from kk plant but he only had the rh outer side. The reason i always questioned the blueprint being misunderstood reading 15/16'' and not 1 5/16''. is they never would have chosen an odd number like 15/16'' they would have been 1'' to make it much easy to do . I think the 70 hoodstripe layout design being pointed at the front of hood was to match the the 3 front scoops pointed design.
Quote from: Special Ed on July 20, 2022, 09:42:41 AM
Larry is where the 70 hood stencils came from leftover from kk plant but he only had the rh outer side. The reason i always questioned the blueprint being misunderstood reading 15/16'' and not 1 5/16''. is they never would have chosen an odd number like 15/16'' they would have been 1'' to make it much easy to do . I think the 70 hoodstripe layout design being pointed at the front of hood was to match the the 3 front scoops pointed design.
I taped off my hood stripes both ways(one on each side). The narrower version as seen by me and my painter didn't look right. The wider version followed the hood tangent points much better. At the time I felt my stripes were correct and was confused over the registry's layout in it. So I went with what was on my car. I'm glad I did as photos appeared later on of my car from when new.