Have been slowly picking away at my KR as time permits. I have recently decided to go in a totally different direction.
The car was crashed and rolled in around 1971, and so had only 21,000 original miles and was still wearing all of it's original black paint except for the roof and right quarter panel. Both were replaced sometime in the '70's/ '80's with a rust free roof skin and a factory Ford quarter panel. Some of the fiberglass was broken beyond repair and the doors and fenders suffered some slight damage. Other than a small hole in the trunk floor and a little rot under the battery box, the car is honestly rust free. Someone also decided to take the 4 speed out through the top, and carved a giant hole in the trans tunnel. I have since repaired that with a patch from a donor tunnel.
Looking at the car I have decided to do some repairs and repaint what is necessary, buffing and preserving as much of the original paint as possible. I'm now planning to put the car back together and drive it.
I am in no way going to try and claim it to be a survivor or low mileage original. I just want to drive it for a couple of years and enjoy it, then make a decision as to the future of KR 04052.
Pete.
Quote from: Peter L. on March 08, 2018, 12:53:53 PM
Have been slowly picking away at my KR as time permits. I have recently decided to go in a totally different direction.
The car was crashed and rolled in around 1971, and so had only 21,000 original miles and was still wearing all of it's original black paint except for the roof and right quarter panel. Both were replaced sometime in the '70's/ '80's with a rust free roof skin and a factory Ford quarter panel. Some of the fiberglass was broken beyond repair and the doors and fenders suffered some slight damage. Other than a small hole in the trunk floor and a little rot under the battery box, the car is honestly rust free. Someone also decided to take the 4 speed out through the top, and carved a giant hole in the trans tunnel. I have since repaired that with a patch from a donor tunnel.
Looking at the car I have decided to do some repairs and repaint what is necessary, buffing and preserving as much of the original paint as possible. I'm now planning to put the car back together and drive it.
I am in no way going to try and claim it to be a survivor or low mileage original. I just want to drive it for a couple of years and enjoy it, then make a decision as to the future of KR 04052.
Pete.
I think that the collector car world would look at your situation and given the items mentioned that were ether replaced or repaired that there is not a substantial percentage of original paint to worry about . I would do what you want with the paint with a clear conscience. If it is presentable enough for you to drive and enjoy for a few years then I would go for it if that is your wish.
The doors and fenders will be repaired without having to get into repainting; a few dents and dings that i'm confident I can repair without having to repaint. But you are right, it is what it is, and should I decide to sell, I'm sure a running driving car will be much easier to sell than a bare shell with boxes of parts. lol.
But for now, I want to drive the wheels off of it. Who knows, maybe even go to a few shows.
Pete.
share some pictures?
Nice color.
Go for it.
Will be back in the garage this weekend, and will snap some pics.
Spent most of last weekend cleaning and making room for the dozens of boxes of parts. Had to build some more shelves, lol.
Will try and get some pics of the car and post them.
Getting excited to start moving forward with the project, however unorthodox it may be.
Pete.
Emptied the car out the other night and power washed the shell (it's been sitting for a while). I have started to go through the many totes of parts to get an idea of what is what and where, lol.
I'm starting to inventory what I have and what is missing. I seem to have doubles and even triples of some things ( I've been gathering parts for 20 yrs.) It's the old syndrome of finding a part that is a little better than the one you already have. Will for sure get some some pictures this weekend and post them.
Getting excited again about the project and looking forward to working on it. You know, the "I'm not getting any younger" thing.
Pete.
Quote from: Peter L. on March 23, 2018, 03:17:11 PM
Emptied the car out the other night and power washed the shell (it's been sitting for a while). I have started to go through the many totes of parts to get an idea of what is what and where, lol.
I'm starting to inventory what I have and what is missing. I seem to have doubles and even triples of some things ( I've been gathering parts for 20 yrs.) It's the old syndrome of finding a part that is a little better than the one you already have. Will for sure get some some pictures this weekend and post them.
Getting excited again about the project and looking forward to working on it. You know, the "I'm not getting any younger" thing.
Pete.
Pete,if time is important and you want to make it easier on yourself I would invest in a set of the assemblyline manuals for 1968 available from all of the major Mustang vendors . The illustrations are invaluable at saving time showing how the car goes together plus gives the added benefit of showing what fastener goes where if you invest in the companion AMK guide to fasteners book to decode the Ford used numbers to identify individual fasteners.
Great idea. Thanks for the input. My brother has 2 '68 Cobra jet cars, and I'm sure he has service manuals and a wealth of knowledge as well.
Cheers, Pete.
Quote from: Peter L. on March 23, 2018, 05:00:44 PM
Great idea. Thanks for the input. My brother has 2 '68 Cobra jet cars, and I'm sure he has service manuals and a wealth of knowledge as well.
Cheers, Pete.
Keep in mind that "service manuals" are different then 'assemblyline manuals". They are commonly confused all of the time. The "service" or "shop" manuals came out for each year Ford model and are the common manuals that most people think of . They were used at Dealerships and auto repair shops etc. to diagnose problems and do repairs on multiple models of Fords. The service or shop manuals do not have a lot of illustrations on how the car is put together compared to the assemblyline manuals. The Assemblyline manuals on the other hand that I am referring to are specific in this case to Mustang and were only typically available to Ford aseemblyline personal to use as reference on how the Mustangs were put together when first assembled at the plants. There is a set of books. Each book covers a particular area like Chassis, Body ,Interior, Electrical, Weld /Sealant , and Engine. Get them all would be my advice. Be specific when asking about them or looking for them. Make sure whoever you are asking about them knows the difference too. ;) That way you will get the right books .
If Peter wants pictures posted, I think we could find some
;D
Thanks, I will look into the assembly line manuals. Took a few pictures this weekend if anyone is interested.
Pete.
Was digging through all of the paperwork I got with the car and found the original build sheet and owners manual with the the stamp in it from Koons Ford. Too cool!
Pete.
Please do post pictures. They are always appreciated and informing.
Jim
Ha ha. Thought you guys might like to see some pictures that were sent to me by Bill Collins.
This is 04052 some time in the '70's I believe. The car was rolled in 1971, from what i'm told, and other than that I know little else about who crashed it, or the circumstances surrounding it.
The pictures are a lot worse than it looks, and most of the damage has been repaired.
Stay tuned for some more recent photos.
Long shot, but does anybody know any more details, or heard stories of such an accident.
Photos are in my gallery but haven't figured out yet how to get them from there to here. One step at a time but they are available to be seen by the forum.
Pete.
Let's see if this link works:
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=gallery;su=user;cat=159;u=566
Well, I just had to weigh in on this. I recall that I found #4052 in about 1981. I may have a file on it that will pin down the date, but I moved last September and most of my records are still at my former house.
First of all, yes, that is me in the one photo. The story behind this car started when I met some members of the Capitol Region SAAC (TCR) at SAAC 4 in 1979. I joined TCR and regularly traveled to the Washington area over the next decade to attend their meetings and shows. They were a great bunch and I always enjoyed myself in their company.
Of course this association led to leads on cars, and the Washington, DC metro area had many interesting Shelbys and Mustangs still lying around at that time. This led to me being introduced to a fellow by the name of B.I (Butch) Mattingly, who lived in a rural area of the Eastern Shore of Maryland.
I was told Butch had a project '66 Hipo fastback for sale, and one weekend some TCR members took me to look at it. Upon meetng Butch, I learned he also had a '69 Boss 429 and a '68 GT500, neither of which were for sale. But as he showed me the GT500, he mentioned that he had used parts from his "other" Shelby in redoing it.
I asked "What other Shelby?". Whereupon he took us to a ditch that had been excavated on the property. At the bottom of the ditch was the remains of #4052. Athough wrecked and largely parted out. it was remarkably solid.
Following some discussion, I bought it. We returned a week later with a truck and trailer. The car had no suspension, so we had to hoist it out of the ditch. Butch had a bucket loader so we put a chain around the roof and attached it to the bucket. Three of us climbed into the bucket at the other end of the loader to counterbalance the weight of the car.
Following a somewhat suspenseful ride, Butch set #4052 onto the trailer as you see it in the photo with yours truly. Later we put some suspension under it so it could be rolled, as shown in the other photos.
I sold #4052 later that year to Phil Askew of Michigan. Phil worked on the body over many years, but did not complete the car. He sold it to Peter, who has now also had it for many years,
Being a black 4 speed A/C KR, it is a rather cool car. I'm glad I was able to be part of saving it and I wish Peter success in getting it together!
Oh, and I did buy the Hipo fastback from Butch.
Thanks for the input Bill.
Just to update a little further. 04052 was sold by Phil to a man named Jim Hay, across the river in Port Lambton, Ontario Canada. The car was to be a father son project, but unfortunately a falling out between the two resulted in the car being for sale. I heard about it by word of mouth, and upon looking at it, my brother Charlie and I bought the car in 1996, along with 2 truckloads of parts that they had been collecting along the way.
Over the next few years we slowly picked away at the project, and recently decided to go ahead and just put the car back together, trying to preserve as much of the originality as possible.
Who knows, maybe there is a full restoration in the future, but for now our goal is to get it put back together and drive it.
More pictures to follow as work progresses!
By the way Bill, do you remember anything in regards to who the previous owner was, and how it got crashed?
Thanks, Pete.
Added some new photos.
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?action=gallery;su=user;cat=159;u=566
Started cleaning the undercarriage on the KR. UNBELIEVABLE! Totally blown away at how clean the underside of this car is.
With the exception of where the tunnel was hacked out, and a couple of spots, and not to get all cliche', the floors and frames look as if it just rolled off the assembly line. I'm totally convinced now that the 21,000 miles on the odometer is true and correct.
The primer, the overspray, the sealer; incredible. I'm going to continue cleaning and just leave it alone.
Will try to post some more pics if anyone is interested.
Pete. #4052