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Title: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: capecodmustang.com on May 03, 2020, 02:37:01 PM
I just purchased a 65 K Code Fastback

The vehicle was built August 1, 1964.

The matching number 289HP is included and the VIN is stamped near under the casting numbers and date..
...Not the usual front of the block.

Anyone have experience with a VIN in this location?

The vehicle's build date is as early as I've seen for a FB..

Thoughts?

Title: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: Bill Collins on May 03, 2020, 04:05:44 PM
Bret, the closest 289 HiPo car I can recall owning was a Dearborn built convertible with a schedule date of 15F (June 16, 1964). However the engine, which was original to the car with matching VIN stamp, had an assembly date stamping of 4G14N (July 14, 1964), almost a month later. That car's block VIN stamp was in the usual place near the front of the engine. So this car was likely built a month beyond the schedule date, possibly due to engine availability, and is about two weeks prior to the schedule date of your fastback.

It would be interesting to know which assembly plant built your fastback and if the engine assembly date is close to the scheduled build date of the car. It could be a matter of the assembly plant being initially uncertain about where to stamp the block VIN, as the HiPos were the only engines to be so identified in the 1965 model year.
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: capecodmustang.com on May 03, 2020, 04:32:05 PM
Ever seen something like this?
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: capecodmustang.com on May 03, 2020, 04:34:09 PM
I have the door tag...
It's dated August 1st 1964...



Title: 165 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: Bill Collins on May 03, 2020, 04:59:53 PM
August 1st is an interesting date, as it was the first day of actual 1965 model year production at Dearborn Assembly. "!964 1/2" production ended the day before, July 31.

Perhaps this anomaly may have something to do with that - it is also intriguing that your VIN is 250,000. The highest 64 1/2 Mustang VIN listed in the Mustang Production Guide by Jim Smart and Jim Haskell, was 220310 built on July 31. So it appears they "jumped" to 250,000 to start actual 1965 model year production. Looks like you may have the first scheduled regular 1965 production Mustang to be built at Dearborn!

Also note the "SP PRO" stamp - could likely stand for "special production" or "special promotion" as in a showing car - does it have any other outstanding features? What is the DSO code on the tag? Car 5F09K250009, also built August 1st, is another HiPo fastback with an 89 DSO, which is Ford Transportation Services.
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: capecodmustang.com on May 03, 2020, 05:04:40 PM
Bill:  I'm thinking that's possible..

However...
What would 250001-08 be?

They could be Mustangs or other Ford products.
Also...The DSO is "89" which is "transportation services"..

Likely a promotional car being so early..
And there were no 64 1/2 Fastbacks

Correct...?
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: Bill Collins on May 03, 2020, 05:09:49 PM
See the update to my last post. Looks like it was among a group of showing cars, but there is no info on cars 250001-250008. You are correct about there being no 64 1/2 fastbacks, a perusal of the 64 1/2 VINs listed in the Mustang Production Guide shows no cars with an 09 body code.

So you have what may arguably be the first production fastback, and it's a HiPo, and it's likely a showing car. Yeow, the price probably just went up! ;)
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: capecodmustang.com on May 03, 2020, 05:16:53 PM
It's a red on red 4 speed.......with a 3.89

Likely something they would show and advertise..

Title: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: Bill Collins on May 03, 2020, 05:20:16 PM
Car 250009 was also Rangoon Red with a red interior and non locking 3:89 rear
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: capecodmustang.com on May 03, 2020, 05:24:11 PM

Bill...
Is it correct to assume that 250001 to 250008 could be Mustang coupes, Fairlanes etc etc...?
Title: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: Bill Collins on May 03, 2020, 05:42:35 PM
Fairlane production at Dearborn ended on June 19, 1964. Dearborn also built Cougars, but that production did not begin until 1966. So I expect that these other cars were all Mustangs, but I can find no record of what specific models they may have been, or how they were equipped.
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: Dan Case on May 03, 2020, 05:51:14 PM
August 1st is an interesting date, as it was the first day of actual 1965 model year production at Dearborn Assembly. "!964 1/2" production ended the day before, July 31.

Perhaps this anomaly may have something to do with that - it is also intriguing that your VIN is 250,000. The highest 64 1/2 Mustang VIN listed in the Mustang Production Guide by Jim Smart and Jim Haskell, was 220310 built on July 31. So it appears they "jumped" to 250,000 to start actual 1965 model year production. Looks like you may have the first scheduled regular 1965 production Mustang to be built at Dearborn!

Also note the "SP PRO" stamp - could likely stand for "special production" or "special promotion" as in a showing car - does it have any other outstanding features? What is the DSO code on the tag? Car 5F09K250009, also built August 1st, is another HiPo fastback with an 89 DSO, which is Ford Transportation Services.


Car 250009 was also Rangoon Red with a red interior and non locking 3:89 rear

Am I missing something? Darken the mid tones in the block picture the OP provided and the last digit is a 9 and not a zero.
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: capecodmustang.com on May 03, 2020, 05:57:12 PM
August 1st is an interesting date, as it was the first day of actual 1965 model year production at Dearborn Assembly. "!964 1/2" production ended the day before, July 31.

Perhaps this anomaly may have something to do with that - it is also intriguing that your VIN is 250,000. The highest 64 1/2 Mustang VIN listed in the Mustang Production Guide by Jim Smart and Jim Haskell, was 220310 built on July 31. So it appears they "jumped" to 250,000 to start actual 1965 model year production. Looks like you may have the first scheduled regular 1965 production Mustang to be built at Dearborn!

Also note the "SP PRO" stamp - could likely stand for "special production" or "special promotion" as in a showing car - does it have any other outstanding features? What is the DSO code on the tag? Car 5F09K250009, also built August 1st, is another HiPo fastback with an 89 DSO, which is Ford Transportation Services.


Car 250009 was also Rangoon Red with a red interior and non locking 3:89 rear

Am I missing something? Darken the mid tones in the block picture the OP provided and the last digit is a 9 and not a zero.



Correct...
It's finishes in a "9"
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: Bill Collins on May 03, 2020, 06:00:19 PM
Oops, I should have cleaned my glasses  ;D
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: BGlover67 on May 03, 2020, 06:07:37 PM
You just gave Bret a heart attack... :o
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: capecodmustang.com on May 04, 2020, 08:18:01 AM
I've yet to see any VIN stamped in that location.

Normally the starter would be in the way...

Is there a possibility they stopped stamping there when the cars started being mass produced in Dearborn?
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: Dan Case on May 04, 2020, 10:43:54 AM
The starter would be in the way at some point in the process but engines were shipped to vehicle assembly plants without starters installed yet.
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: capecodmustang.com on May 04, 2020, 10:49:45 AM
The starter would be in the way at some point in the process but engines were shipped to vehicle assembly plants without starters installed yet.

That's good to know...
I wonder perhaps if they put a starter on the car and then assigned it to a vehicle...
At that time they would know the VIN and stamp the engine...
Makes no sense of course to take the starter off just to stamp the engine....

Thank you!
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: MustangMann on May 04, 2020, 11:13:30 AM
According to the "Mustang Production Guide" by Jim Smart and Jim Haskell, as Bill stated, the first Mustangs built at Dearborn as 1965 models (alternator charging system instead of generators) were built starting August 1st, 1964 and started with VIN number 250000.  This car is listed in the registry section of that book.  The authors also state that the "often published and believed" transition date for 65 production was August 17, 1964 although they show August 1st as the date that production began.  It is my opinion that this may very well be a show unit or promo car.  Sounds very cool!

Ken
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: gt350shelb on June 08, 2020, 09:44:29 PM
check your messages :)
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: Dkutz on June 10, 2020, 01:11:52 AM
If this was a show vehicle wouldn’t it have other clues?  Like smoothed door jams?
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: gt350hr on June 10, 2020, 12:26:23 PM
  Early ads were of a red on red fastback w/4spd and HiPo badges. Same car most likely. I would bet it is 5F09K #1.
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: capecodmustang.com on June 10, 2020, 01:02:33 PM
Quite sure #1 wasn't a FB....



Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: gt350hr on June 10, 2020, 01:26:04 PM
 I said fastback #1, "production" fastback anyway.
Title: Re: 1965 K Code Fastback Engine Question
Post by: J_Speegle on June 10, 2020, 01:47:11 PM
  Early ads were of a red on red fastback w/4spd and HiPo badges. Same car most likely. I would bet it is 5F09K #1.

Early ad cars (to get ahead with advertising production) were sometimes pilot plant cars. There was a small group of fastbacks (think it might have been four)  produced back in June of 64 but not at any of the three car plants from my understanding. If you noticed some of the ad cars had different tail lights and other features not see on regular production vehicles. Close friend had an opportunity to by a storage unit full of add copy for Ford from the 50's and 60's. But after going through the lot we passed because what he had planned wouldn't work out with the pictures 

Just a possibility I wanted to offer