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Title: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: 68krrrr on May 08, 2020, 12:40:37 AM
Never heard of a silver one looks like it sold for good $ also
Says one of 5 so they only made 5 Silver ones or just 5 in that configuration ?
https://www.cars-on-line.com/gen3-cars/col1/posting/96856
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: The Going Thing on May 08, 2020, 01:18:41 AM
This car was on Ebay for probably six months. It didn't sell for 195K either. It was also painted the incorrect color if I recall correctly.  I think it was Bob who knew a bit about the car's history.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: oldcanuck on May 08, 2020, 08:52:15 AM
....... and I believe it had been wagged around on other websites for over a couple of years or so. I first saw it advertised at least 2 years ago on either Hemmings or AT Classic.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: JD on May 08, 2020, 08:55:48 AM
As stated the car (#1210) was repainted the wrong color (a typo on a color reference list when repainted) and a seller was implying that it was a special order/rare color version with some doctored paper work.

There have been threads on this car and issue in the past... the first was on the SAAC forum 1.0 that imploded there is one on this forum too...

http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=3550.msg31023#msg31023
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: GT350DAVE on May 08, 2020, 09:05:14 AM
I believe the car sold. The person who painted the car and owned it many was given the wrong paint code from Marti. In my opinion, he did not try to deceive anyone.
Dave
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: propayne on May 08, 2020, 09:12:23 AM
^^^ Yikes, that must have been an uncomfortable conversation  :o

Love the unusual colors, grey, bronze, silver, etc.

- Phillip
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: 67 GT350 on May 08, 2020, 09:17:58 AM
As long as no deception happened...

I have turned down 67 Shelbys that were either painted the wrong color or were the "Wrong" color.

Just to add, my first Shelby was some sort of Lime Green, I painted it blue....that was in the say of 67 shelbys for 3500.00 all day long, I thought nothing of doing that back then....my personal taste is that I like the original colors on cars, but I rather really find my favorite colors....like red, white and or blue...I have been looking for a white 67 for some time now and I cannot believe how many that are white that are not original.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: oldcanuck on May 08, 2020, 09:23:30 AM
My color is wrong...... as long as the bugs are good with it, so am I.

Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: roddster on May 08, 2020, 10:10:53 AM
  While we're on the subject, I was at a local (Chicago area) car show many years ago and a silver 67' was in attendance.  The story was that that particular car was used at Elkhart Lake WI as the pace car for a season.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: The Going Thing on May 08, 2020, 10:22:36 AM
My Shelby is the right color for me. I would never repaint it that ugly lime gold as long as I own it. It is an original color offered. Acapulco blue with white stripes with a stunning paint job. I have no use for trailer queens or hard nose purist.  I find them boring.
There was some misrepresentation with the vehicle. I just don't remember all the details.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: oldcanuck on May 08, 2020, 11:03:25 AM
Quote from: oldcanuck on May 08, 2020, 09:23:30 AM
My color is wrong...... as long as the bugs are good with it, so am I.

Mine was originally Lime Gold as well....... now Raven Black. 

I have heard that Lime Gold was the most repainted / changed color of that time.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: 557 on May 08, 2020, 11:18:02 AM
Mine was white,now it's black.P.O. did it ,but I wish he hadn't....
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: JD on May 08, 2020, 11:32:40 AM
Quote from: oldcanuck on May 08, 2020, 11:03:25 AM

Mine was originally Lime Gold as well....... now Raven Black. 

I have heard that Lime Gold was the most repainted / changed color of that time.

It was a trendy popular color when new - 25% +/- of the '67 Shelby's were Lime gold ! 

The color didn't weather well, looked bad quickly, and trends change. 

As Kenny Beers (RIP) was quoted saying in reply to someone's question about what was the most common color on '67 Shelby's "Red formerly Lime Gold". 

The car I had was repainted a Corvette dark blue when I got it, when I redid it I put it back to the original Dark Moss Green - took me a while to get use to it.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: 2112 on May 08, 2020, 11:49:04 AM
Fresh, high quality, two-stage Lime Gold with White LeMans stripes looks pretty good to me now.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: 67 GT350 on May 08, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
Quote from: The Going Thing on May 08, 2020, 10:22:36 AM
My Shelby is the right color for me. I would never repaint it that ugly lime gold as long as I own it. It is an original color offered. Acapulco blue with white stripes with a stunning paint job. I have no use for trailer queens or hard nose purist.  I find them boring.
There was some misrepresentation with the vehicle. I just don't remember all the details.

That is exactly what I did!!! Some colors!!! Now that same car is red!
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: Bob Gaines on May 08, 2020, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: JD on May 08, 2020, 11:32:40 AM
Quote from: oldcanuck on May 08, 2020, 11:03:25 AM

Mine was originally Lime Gold as well....... now Raven Black. 

I have heard that Lime Gold was the most repainted / changed color of that time.

It was a trendy popular color when new - 25% +/- of the '67 Shelby's were Lime gold ! 

The color didn't weather well, looked bad quickly, and trends change. 

As Kenny Beers (RIP) was quoted saying in reply to someone's question about what was the most common color on '67 Shelby's "Red formerly Lime Gold". 

The car I had was repainted a Corvette dark blue when I got it, when I redid it I put it back to the original Dark Moss Green - took me a while to get use to it.
Thanks for giving me a smile . :)
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: S7MS427 on May 08, 2020, 09:55:12 PM
Quote from: 67 GT350 on May 08, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
Quote from: The Going Thing on May 08, 2020, 10:22:36 AM
My Shelby is the right color for me. I would never repaint it that ugly lime gold as long as I own it. It is an original color offered. Acapulco blue with white stripes with a stunning paint job. I have no use for trailer queens or hard nose purist.  I find them boring.

That is exactly what I did!!! Some colors!!! Now that same car is red!

I'm with you guys.  My car was Slime as well although when I first brought it home (1977) it was either a very, very dark metallic purple or a metallic black.  It also has ridiculous custom paint on the hood scoop (white with little squiggly things in the paint) and translucent teardrops on the side scoops and the back of the spoiler.  And to cap things off, '70 Torino snake decals on the front fenders.  First thing I did was to get out a rattle can of flat black primer and cover that mess up.  I drove it that way for about two or three years.  I swear I would have painted it the original color if it had been anything other than Slime.  Photo is circa winter 1979.
(http://www.s-techent.com/Shelby_Web_Pages//67_GT500//GT500.htm/image08.jpg)
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: platnumheart666 on May 09, 2020, 07:27:33 PM

From Jeff Francis:


When we restored the car we used paint code 1901 silver frost which was on both the Marti Report and the document from Ford provided by Dave Matthews the 1967 Shelby registrar, both attached. Sometime later contact was made http://bigbilllove.com/WHOO_Orlando_Florida.html which revealed an original photo of the car in its original color, gray. Kevin Marti was confronted and here's his response: I believe I'm beginning to see where some confusion is coming from. The 1997 Shelby Registry contains the information that the paint code for the 1967 Shelbys painted Charcoal Gray as Ford paint code 1901 on page 1280. They correctly give it as Ford paint code C, which is a Thunderbird color, but when they supplied the Ford reference number of 1901, they made a mistake. It should be listed as 1900. As these were Shelby records that the 1967 Shelby reports were drawn from, this error has been perpetuated throughout subsequent writings by anyone out in the Shelby world. I would suggest contacting the Shelby Club about the error on any future matter about this issue.



If you want us to produce a report for you with the reference number listed as 1900, we would be glad to at no charge. Return the report you have (since it has the holographic anti-forgery sticker per your picture) to us and we will be glad to list that as 1900.


Thank you,

Kevin Marti
Marti Auto Works
www.martiauto.com
12007 W. Peoria Ave.
El Mirage, AZ 85335
(623)935-2558



Just two years ago I decided to refinish the car again so it would be perfect and fresh. A few of us Shelby enthusiasts discussed painting #1210 back its original color, but decided upon leaving it 1901 Silver Frost due to the following. For nearly a third of the car's life it had been Silver Frost, during this time the car has won numerous awards while in my stable, spent time in Paris and Monaco, been featured in German and French magazines and TV programs, as well as a cool video on the streets of Monaco and at a yacht party for Prince Albert of Monaco  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEwheSbnhaI&t=13s  We unanimously voted to repaint the car in its current color, Silver Frost. The body and paint is perfect!
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: JD on May 09, 2020, 08:30:00 PM
Thanks for providing some background and details - can understand that it was liked and awarded some, it does look great in that color.

JD

Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: Bigfoot on May 09, 2020, 10:08:33 PM
Cool car.
...................

I've had 3 Mustangs in Lime Gold or Lime Metallic (1970).
Not a Shelby tho.
I'm a big fan of it. Looks great .
People loved it in the 60's and 70's.
....................
Some people don't like it today because it's "not popular."
That's ok.
Just remember that in life you should think for yourselves.
Don't be sheep.
.............
If you honestly don't really like it aesthetically that ok.
..........
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: 68krrrr on May 09, 2020, 11:04:02 PM
Wow great info there ,& my KR was lime green gold it was the one color i didn't want when i was looking ,but the price was right & it just grew on me & i ended up loving the color with a fresh paint job ,& got lots of complements on it,it's just such a vintage 60's color.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: The Going Thing on May 09, 2020, 11:09:20 PM
I don't like it. It doesn't show well and it just doesn't have the eye appeal of other color choices.  It looks like a color you'd have seen on a low rider in So Ca.
That is a color that can be color sanded as smooth as glass and still looks horrible. Just like I wouldn't have God awful avocado kitchen appliances.
Just because something was popular in age of psychotropic drugs and hippies doesn't make it a good color.  I don't do sheep, I never have.
I was taught critical thought and logic, not what to think. 
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: shelbydoug on May 10, 2020, 07:32:22 AM
The Lime actually shows quite well in clear coat of the cars I've seen redone.

Most of the Ford metallics that were in the original acrylic enamel would lay down and die in three or four years from new and there was nothing that you could do to bring it back.

The strangest ones besides some of the "special paint cars" are the "grabber colors" but even there some of them can kinda' grow on you?

Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: oldcanuck on May 10, 2020, 10:49:50 AM
When I bought my GT-350, I had full intentions on returning it back to its original lime gold.  I wasn't able to do the initial inspection on the west coast and had a trusted friend do it for me. After I made the verification and deal with the PO's agent, my friend commented to me that he thought after I got the car home, and cleaned it up (since it had been sitting for some time)  he thought I would get to like the raven black and probably not change it back.  He was right. The 3rd owner paid someone a lot of money to repaint it in raven. I was told he wanted it to match the interior ! The gaps, the lines are absolutely outstanding. After spending many hours on this car, I have yet to see any evidence of a color change. It was done very well. There is only one spot of steel to fiberglass mis-alignment, and hell I feel lucky there is only one.  Maybe some day ..... but not anytime soon.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: shelbymann1970 on May 10, 2020, 01:18:35 PM
Quote from: The Going Thing on May 08, 2020, 10:22:36 AM
My Shelby is the right color for me. I would never repaint it that ugly lime gold as long as I own it. It is an original color offered. Acapulco blue with white stripes with a stunning paint job. I have no use for trailer queens or hard nose purist.  I find them boring.
There was some misrepresentation with the vehicle. I just don't remember all the details.
We once had a discussion on SAAC forum 1.0 on color changes and Bill Collins gave an excellent informed opinion on color changing. I have owned 3 different Shelbys in my life. A very rare 70 Gt500 drag pack car I color changed to CA red in 1990. Had a new door sticker made up in 1990 by Kevin Marti. Now on grabber color Shelbys the color code was left blank and on FBs you had just a "5" on it. 2 decades pass and the car was then being passed off by a NC dealer toting it as a factory RED car. I told him it wasn't and he said that was my "opinion". When I stripped the car to the shell in 1985 it was grabber blue. I sold it as a color changed car. Now my 68 Shelby i went from HG to black with non factory red stripes. My car, my way. pissed off the purists but most loved the combo. My opinion I got MORE for it as black than I would have as a highland green. That was 2013. I loved looking at the car black and hated it as green. It gave me a lot of enjoyment just looking at the black car. My vert i kept it original in red but seriously in the 90s thought about color changing to black with custom made red side stripes but didn't when painted in 2000 during the full resto. Vert when bought was painted a non fact maroon color.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: 2112 on May 10, 2020, 01:43:33 PM
Instead of getting angry about someone making a color change, I will unleash on the Morons who are powering their Mustangs (and Panteras) with Chevrolet engines.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: Side-Oilers on May 10, 2020, 04:01:54 PM
Your black with red looks GREAT!  It's something different, eye-catching and cool, IMHO. 

Your car + your $$ = your rules. 

100% agreed with NEVER passing off a color change car as original.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: Side-Oilers on May 10, 2020, 04:04:15 PM
Quote from: 2112 on May 10, 2020, 01:43:33 PM
Instead of getting angry about someone making a color change, I will unleash on the Morons who are powering their Mustangs (and Panteras) with Chevrolet engines.

AACK!  I once saw a cheapo Cobra replica with a BB Chevy in it. 
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: 2112 on May 10, 2020, 06:49:16 PM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on May 10, 2020, 04:04:15 PM
Quote from: 2112 on May 10, 2020, 01:43:33 PM
Instead of getting angry about someone making a color change, I will unleash on the Morons who are powering their Mustangs (and Panteras) with Chevrolet engines.

AACK!  I once saw a cheapo Cobra replica with a BB Chevy in it.

This is just the tip of the iceberg;

https://m.youtube.com/results?search_query=ls+swapped+mustang

Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: Corey Bowcutt on May 10, 2020, 10:49:04 PM
I too love my lime gold Shelby and get a tremendous amount of compliments on the color.  I really like that it is Not the same color as 90% of the cars on the road today. I too think it shows extremely well. I am sure in the day when they oxided they did not look great but that is pretty true with any of the colors.  In my opinion I have never seen a Shelby color I did not love. Brittney blue 67 is my absolute favorite though.
Corey
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: shelbymann1970 on May 11, 2020, 12:13:52 AM
Quote from: Corey Bowcutt on May 10, 2020, 10:49:04 PM
I too love my lime gold Shelby and get a tremendous amount of compliments on the color.  I really like that it is Not the same color as 90% of the cars on the road today. I too think it shows extremely well. I am sure in the day when they oxided they did not look great but that is pretty true with any of the colors.  In my opinion I have never seen a Shelby color I did not love. Brittney blue 67 is my absolute favorite though.
Corey
While I am one that loved Henry Ford's old saying about the color of his Model Ts and being a "color change" guy I really like Lime gold. Back when I was 10 they used to sell those "candy" colored spray bombs and I painted my Schwinn bike lime gold. In a BC CC the color looks really good. But Highland green or black jade. Not for me. ditto on grabber blue. That is why those 2 Shelbys I had got color changed. I color changed more Mustangs than I can count. But I actually went back to Indian fire red from candy apple red on a 69 R-code Mach1(concours) since it was a rust free California car(100 percent rust free) against my wife's wishes but since I was adding the goodies to it i felt the car would look stunning. It did. Too nice to drive so I sold it. Looking back only a few Mustangs that I had painted over the last 40 years I actually went back to the original color when painted of the cars that actually needed paint. Here is the IF red car. The back half is pictured above with my red GT500 in a driveway pic. Gary
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: The Going Thing on May 11, 2020, 09:39:25 AM
Quote from: 2112 on May 10, 2020, 01:43:33 PM
Instead of getting angry about someone making a color change, I will unleash on the Morons who are powering their Mustangs (and Panteras) with Chevrolet engines.

Exactly! Sacrilege!   I did stay with original color offerings, I just don't like funky colors.  Besides, Acapulco with Lt Parchment is stunning.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: shelbymann1970 on May 11, 2020, 10:12:00 AM
Quote from: The Going Thing on May 11, 2020, 09:39:25 AM
Quote from: 2112 on May 10, 2020, 01:43:33 PM
Instead of getting angry about someone making a color change, I will unleash on the Morons who are powering their Mustangs (and Panteras) with Chevrolet engines.

Exactly! Sacrilege!   I did stay with original color offerings, I just don't like funky colors.  Besides, Acapulco with Lt Parchment is stunning.
The saying is do you know why Ford designed the Ford GT for only a 6 cylinder? So no one could do an LS swap. Personally I hate changing the manufactures engines out to a competitors but what I also hate is the late model engine swaps in older cars. A coyote engine is ugly and you can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. Nothing looks more beautiful that a good old 60s American V8. Gary
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: 2112 on May 11, 2020, 11:08:04 AM
I find the LS engine to be pretty dang ugly as well. But they don't bother me in a nice GM vehicle.

I don't see many warrantied OEM LS engines putting out 580 horses out of 317 cubic inches.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: shelbymann1970 on May 12, 2020, 10:11:22 AM
Quote from: 2112 on May 11, 2020, 11:08:04 AM
I find the LS engine to be pretty dang ugly as well. But they don't bother me in a nice GM vehicle.

I don't see many warrantied OEM LS engines putting out 580 horses out of 317 cubic inches.
I understand your blue oval allegiance as to knock the LS. An old friend and former neighbor of mine who many years ago bought a drag pack 69 R-code off of me and ex-Ford engineer was the guy who mapped out the LS for GMPP. While you make that statement my old friend Brian pushed over 2000 HP out of a stock LS block. Used to be a video of it online at his website Thomson Racing engines but isn't there anymore since he sold his business to Lingenfelter a few years ago. Seeing Brian's 72 Chevelle with an LS pushing 950HP or his LS 2012 Grand Sport Vette pushing 1K horsepower that can be driven anywhere(Chevelle did the Hot Rod power tour and was on the cover of Hot Rod Magazine) I would never knock an LS for what it "can't" do or if it is warrantied. Gary
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: 2112 on May 12, 2020, 11:36:07 AM
Your Ford egineer friend must have been responsible for all the 351W design features that somehow showed up on the LS platform. I would have expected a lot out of a Windsor designed in the late 90's as well.

I didn't say the the LS was a bad engine, I said it was ugly, much like you said the Coyote was ugly.

You did know that a Ford GT with a 3000 hp Modular engine owns the standing mile record, right?

Custom builders have been building huge power engines for decades.

I don't hate the LS engine. (I love the C7 among other GM classics) I hate the LS engine in a Ford.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: The Going Thing on May 14, 2020, 11:44:19 AM
Also noted several Ford innovations wound up in use on the LS block. The cross-bolted mains for one.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: shelbymann1970 on May 15, 2020, 09:07:12 AM
Quote from: 2112 on May 12, 2020, 11:36:07 AM
Your Ford egineer friend must have been responsible for all the 351W design features that somehow showed up on the LS platform. I would have expected a lot out of a Windsor designed in the late 90's as well.

I didn't say the the LS was a bad engine, I said it was ugly, much like you said the Coyote was ugly.

You did know that a Ford GT with a 3000 hp Modular engine owns the standing mile record, right?

Custom builders have been building huge power engines for decades.

I don't hate the LS engine. (I love the C7 among other GM classics) I hate the LS engine in a Ford.
if you read my post I think all late model engines look ugly for the most part in an early muscle/pony car. Some builders have done a masterful job "cleaning up late model engines so they look good but not a lot of them. I don't like the LS in a Ford. i don't like cross engine swaps period. And, yes, I like newer Mustangs. A good friend has a 14 GT500 that isn't stock(more HP) and is a fun car to drive in but for me it would be a c6-8 if I get into a late model performance car. Maybe because I work for GM? No, its because my wife insisted on back seats in my cars(including our classics) over the years because we have kids but the kids are grown now and she says the cars are too low to get into at our age. We shall see.... I offered 10K and my SCJ Mach1 a few years ago to my friend for his 67 Vette. He wouldn't trade and he is a FORD guy by and large. Gary
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: shelbymann1970 on May 15, 2020, 09:12:28 AM
Quote from: 2112 on May 12, 2020, 11:36:07 AM
Your Ford egineer friend must have been responsible for all the 351W design features that somehow showed up on the LS platform. I would have expected a lot out of a Windsor designed in the late 90's as well.

I didn't say the the LS was a bad engine, I said it was ugly, much like you said the Coyote was ugly.

You did know that a Ford GT with a 3000 hp Modular engine owns the standing mile record, right?

Custom builders have been building huge power engines for decades.

I don't hate the LS engine. (I love the C7 among other GM classics) I hate the LS engine in a Ford.
Michael, my old friend NEVER worked at GM. He was fortunate to be able to map out the LS for GMPP. He left Ford in the early 90s to start his own company. He had just had his contract  ended  building off road racing trucks for Ford.  He started working on the new platform back then with a couple of others and got an open contract to map the LS. He didn't design it or work for GM at the time. Gary
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: 2112 on May 15, 2020, 11:34:14 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on May 15, 2020, 09:12:28 AM
Quote from: 2112 on May 12, 2020, 11:36:07 AM
Your Ford egineer friend must have been responsible for all the 351W design features that somehow showed up on the LS platform. I would have expected a lot out of a Windsor designed in the late 90's as well.

I didn't say the the LS was a bad engine, I said it was ugly, much like you said the Coyote was ugly.

You did know that a Ford GT with a 3000 hp Modular engine owns the standing mile record, right?

Custom builders have been building huge power engines for decades.

I don't hate the LS engine. (I love the C7 among other GM classics) I hate the LS engine in a Ford.
Michael, my old friend NEVER worked at GM. He was fortunate to be able to map out the LS for GMPP. He left Ford in the early 90s to start his own company. He had just had his contract  ended  building off road racing trucks for Ford.  He started working on the new platform back then with a couple of others and got an open contract to map the LS. He didn't design it or work for GM at the time. Gary

I was ribbing you. But I will leave it at I really respect the LS. We have a 2011 SS Camaro and it is a fabulous car. So good, we'll never sell it.

I also love the C7. Love lots of GM Muscle (and 1 MOPAR, a '70 'cuda)

But I am, deep down, a Ford guy. And I am extremely impressed their warrantied crate engine is putting out 1.85 hp per cubic inch.
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: shelbymann1970 on May 15, 2020, 01:03:06 PM
Quote from: 2112 on May 15, 2020, 11:34:14 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on May 15, 2020, 09:12:28 AM
Quote from: 2112 on May 12, 2020, 11:36:07 AM
Your Ford egineer friend must have been responsible for all the 351W design features that somehow showed up on the LS platform. I would have expected a lot out of a Windsor designed in the late 90's as well.

I didn't say the the LS was a bad engine, I said it was ugly, much like you said the Coyote was ugly.

You did know that a Ford GT with a 3000 hp Modular engine owns the standing mile record, right?

Custom builders have been building huge power engines for decades.

I don't hate the LS engine. (I love the C7 among other GM classics) I hate the LS engine in a Ford.
Michael, my old friend NEVER worked at GM. He was fortunate to be able to map out the LS for GMPP. He left Ford in the early 90s to start his own company. He had just had his contract  ended  building off road racing trucks for Ford.  He started working on the new platform back then with a couple of others and got an open contract to map the LS. He didn't design it or work for GM at the time. Gary

I was ribbing you. But I will leave it at I really respect the LS. We have a 2011 SS Camaro and it is a fabulous car. So good, we'll never sell it.

I also love the C7. Love lots of GM Muscle (and 1 MOPAR, a '70 'cuda)

But I am, deep down, a Ford guy. And I am extremely impressed their warrantied crate engine is putting out 1.85 hp per cubic inch.
8) .i have had a few Camaros home from work over the years. I like them. I like the door panel lighting at night. All were manuals(that is what I tag). My only pet peeve on a Camaro I won't mention because if you are not aware of it it might bug you. It's in the design of the body...
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: shelbymann1970 on May 15, 2020, 01:11:47 PM
Quote from: 2112 on May 15, 2020, 11:34:14 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on May 15, 2020, 09:12:28 AM
Quote from: 2112 on May 12, 2020, 11:36:07 AM
Your Ford egineer friend must have been responsible for all the 351W design features that somehow showed up on the LS platform. I would have expected a lot out of a Windsor designed in the late 90's as well.

I didn't say the the LS was a bad engine, I said it was ugly, much like you said the Coyote was ugly.

You did know that a Ford GT with a 3000 hp Modular engine owns the standing mile record, right?

Custom builders have been building huge power engines for decades.

I don't hate the LS engine. (I love the C7 among other GM classics) I hate the LS engine in a Ford.
Michael, my old friend NEVER worked at GM. He was fortunate to be able to map out the LS for GMPP. He left Ford in the early 90s to start his own company. He had just had his contract  ended  building off road racing trucks for Ford.  He started working on the new platform back then with a couple of others and got an open contract to map the LS. He didn't design it or work for GM at the time. Gary

I was ribbing you. But I will leave it at I really respect the LS. We have a 2011 SS Camaro and it is a fabulous car. So good, we'll never sell it.

I also love the C7. Love lots of GM Muscle (and 1 MOPAR, a '70 'cuda)

But I am, deep down, a Ford guy. And I am extremely impressed their warrantied crate engine is putting out 1.85 hp per cubic inch.
and a few Vs
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: TOBKOB on May 15, 2020, 02:20:10 PM
My pet peeve with the Camaro is the paint always looks like a couple of shades different between the door and quarter panel... :-\

TOB
Title: Re: Silver 67 Gt350
Post by: shelbymann1970 on May 15, 2020, 07:00:08 PM
Quote from: TOBKOB on May 15, 2020, 02:20:10 PM
My pet peeve with the Camaro is the paint always looks like a couple of shades different between the door and quarter panel... :-\

TOB
Spot on and it is because the transformation of the angle from the door to quarter do not blend. Cwertain colors are OK. Others are not. I studied that and it is the angle.