Is this a real NOS period piece?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1965-1967-Shelby-Mustang-Holley-Carburetor-List-3259-1/233578056745?hash=item3662564c29:g:gxAAAOSwg~ler3F3
Looks like it is to me...
+2 Passes my scrutiny.
That has to be insanely rare today.
If if it is an NOS carb it would still require a full rebuild. You could buy a period correct unit from Drew for probably just over a third the asking ready to go.
4K is ridiculous money.
Quote from: The Going Thing on May 26, 2020, 10:30:25 AM
If if it is an NOS carb it would still require a full rebuild. You could buy a period correct unit from Drew for probably just over a third the asking ready to go.
4K is ridiculous money.
For some, NOS is the only thing that will do.
Bet someone will pay it........
There are plenty of people with more money than common sense. It won't be NOS if they are going to use it. No carb sits more than a few years before the gaskets are dried out which necessitates a complete overhaul.
A lot of details on the carb that are missed by some of the rebuilders...
Quote from: CharlesTurner on May 26, 2020, 12:09:11 PM
A lot of details on the carb that are missed by some of the rebuilders...
The carb has a "S" stamping under the "3259" stamping. I have not seen before. Does anyone know what the "S" means. Maybe Service part?
Also, can some post an image of the carb? I am not able to do from my work computer.
Thanks
Cory
Quote from: The Going Thing on May 26, 2020, 10:40:45 AM
There are plenty of people with more money than common sense. It won't be NOS if they are going to use it. No carb sits more than a few years before the gaskets are dried out which necessitates a complete overhaul.
Dried out gaskets that need to be replaced are more of a problem for a carb that has been run on a engine allowing the gaskets to be gas soaked IMO. I do not think that is a problem for a NOS carb sitting on a a shelf. The gaskets will no more degrade then ones sitting in a rebuild kit box sitting on a shelf waiting to be used.
Here is the picture Cory.
Steve
If date is important isn't this one too late for 67 GT350 production?
Quote from: 6s1640 on May 26, 2020, 12:25:04 PM
Quote from: CharlesTurner on May 26, 2020, 12:09:11 PM
A lot of details on the carb that are missed by some of the rebuilders...
The carb has a "S" stamping under the "3259" stamping. I have not seen before. Does anyone know what the "S" means. Maybe Service part?
Also, can some post an image of the carb? I am not able to do from my work computer.
Thanks
I though it was a dollar sign - 4K ?
Cory
Quote from: s2ms on May 26, 2020, 12:53:58 PM
If date is important isn't this one too late for 67 GT350 production?
It could be argued ether way for a latest built car. I would be more on the skeptical side.
Quote from: s2ms on May 26, 2020, 12:53:58 PM
If date is important isn't this one too late for 67 GT350 production?
The date might work for a GT40 MKIII (street car 4V induction). I have a carburetor F.A.V. installed in a new GT40 long ago and it is dated 755.
Cory,
Holley would not have any reason to call them out as "service" carbs. The S "to me" does not look original as it is too "smudged" IMHO.
Randy
Quote from: gt350hr on May 26, 2020, 06:38:00 PM
Cory,
Holley would not have any reason to call them out as "service" carbs. The S "to me" does not look original as it is too "smudged" IMHO.
Randy
+1 Yes looks smudge during application. Could even be a smudged "5" we see on other examples. Like others some of these markings "moved" around/location apparently didn't matter while others were consistent to identify a particular part of the assembly or an inspection as well as an assembler. Other colors of ink have been seen also
Quote from: CharlesTurner on May 26, 2020, 12:09:11 PM
A lot of details on the carb that are missed by some of the rebuilders...
That is an understatement Charles! Current restorers plate WAY too many parts incorrectly color wise and the "beauty" of the plating has become more extreme. "Many" ( not all) carb restorers go too far and make their work very obvious. Close scrutiny of this carb by those in the restoration business should be a MUST.
If the price wasn't so $$, someone could swap out the main body with an earlier date correct one and use all of the NOS parts.
The cork-rubber composition gaskets don't like ethanol. It's why I mentioned what I did. If it was stored correctly it may be fine for a while.
Quote from: The Going Thing on May 27, 2020, 08:26:39 PM
The cork-rubber composition gaskets don't like ethanol. It's why I mentioned what I did. If it was stored correctly it may be fine for a while.
I'm able to find ethanol-free gas in a few places locally... I usually try to use it on the classic cars, especially ones that sit around for extended periods of time.
It's not easy to locate anymore. Some states don't have it available period with the exception of race fuel. The ethanol wreaks havoc in hot weather on the dual quads on the Shelby.
oh wow this thing is 1/2 mile from me
To find ethanol free gas in your area;
https://www.pure-gas.org
Quote from: The Going Thing on May 27, 2020, 08:26:39 PM
The cork-rubber composition gaskets don't like ethanol. It's why I mentioned what I did. If it was stored correctly it may be fine for a while.
+1 once a cork /rubber composition "sees" fuel , it must see continuous use or the gaskets will shrink and crack if stored. The aftermarket ( non Holley) cork gaskets were worse. They have reddish brown color instead of the original very dark brown/black Holley gaskets. The ONLY safe way to run a Holley now is the paper composition gaskets like you mentioned. Concours or not , cork is dangerous with modern fuels.
Randy
Quote from: gt350hr on May 28, 2020, 10:20:46 AM
Quote from: The Going Thing on May 27, 2020, 08:26:39 PM
The cork-rubber composition gaskets don't like ethanol. It's why I mentioned what I did. If it was stored correctly it may be fine for a while.
+1 once a cork /rubber composition "sees" fuel , it must see continuous use or the gaskets will shrink and crack if stored. The aftermarket ( non Holley) cork gaskets were worse. They have reddish brown color instead of the original very dark brown/black Holley gaskets. The ONLY safe way to run a Holley now is the paper composition gaskets like you mentioned. Concours or not , cork is dangerous with modern fuels.
Randy
The inlet valves will stick in a couple of days too. I've had them stick open and closed.
I complained to Holley and they "don't know nutin' ".
Interestingly enough, there have been glass ball inlet valves available for Weber carbs for years. I have them in my 48ida's and they fixed the issue.
Make sure that you use a heat insulating gasket on the base of the carb and the intake manifold or else the carb will act like a heat riser when you shut the engine off, boil the fuel in the carb(s) and flood like Niagara Falls.
You don't want this to happen. Your life will flash before your eyes like a drowning man. The Adrenalin hit actually HURTS!
I've always viewed NOS stuff with suspicion.
Used or unused, the only benefit to this carb would be bragging rights. Of course the minute it is installed on a car that is shot. Maybe cool for a museum.
I also think of all the people that bought NOS 427 blocks only to discover that they were Factory rejects. So for $4000 I'd want to inspect it before signing on the dotted line.
did brand new carbs come from the "holley depot" with the shelby fuel inlet fitting already installed?
Quote from: EdwardGT350 on May 30, 2020, 06:00:52 PM
did brand new carbs come from the "holley depot" with the shelby fuel inlet fitting already installed?
65 or 66 ?
meaning would a carb bought directly from "holley depot" have come with the fuel fitting attached?
isnt that what the ad is implying?
Yes , carburetors were furnished complete with fittings. "Later" over the counter service replacements were sold with the small (65) fitting and may be the reason for some confusion. Randy
Quote from: gt350hr on June 01, 2020, 10:15:03 AM
Yes , carburetors were furnished complete with fittings. "Later" over the counter service replacements were sold with the small (65) fitting and may be the reason for some confusion. Randy
+1
The owner of our black car (CSX2310) in 1968 had his Ford dealer buy a "COBRA" 4V induction kit and install it. The 1967 dated carburetor included the small fitting like 1965 MUSTANG GT350s, the same fuel pump to carburetor fuel line (which had to be cut for Cobra use) as a 1965 GT350, and the late intake with screw bosses for ancillaries prior intakes lacked. Those parts installed in 1968 are still in use today.
Dan,
I agree with what you posted. My information came from the late Ray Wolfe (rip) who ended up with "most" of the unused SAI inventory . He had stacks of carburetors in "plain brown boxes" , no Holley logos , just a Holley part number label. I bought two 715's in these unopened boxes for $100 ea and about a thousand gasket kits in Ford packaging.The carbs were both dated 622 and had the big brass fitting for '66-67. I still have one of them today. All of the catalog pictures show what you describe , not what I bought.
Randy