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What is the story with the export brace? Looks like a 67/68 style.
yes ,not correct .
Quote from: silverton_ford on May 28, 2020, 11:53:09 AM
What is the story with the export brace? Looks like a 67/68 style.
Looks like because it is. Quite a few other incorrect things that can be seen in the photo. Given the items seen incorrect are completely different compared to original I would say that although workmanship seems good the restorer was not informed on correct historical details even though correct historical detail was obviously the intention here. As with any 65 Shelby now days you would want a knowledgeable inspector to confirm the integrity of the car and the restoration so that there are no big surprises after purchase.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 28, 2020, 12:05:26 PM
Quote from: silverton_ford on May 28, 2020, 11:53:09 AM
What is the story with the export brace? Looks like a 67/68 style.
Looks like because it is. Quite a few other incorrect things that can be seen in the photo. Given the items seen incorrect are completely different compared to original I would say that although workmanship seems good the restorer was not informed on correct historical details even though correct historical detail was obviously the intention here. As with any 65 Shelby now days you would want a knowledgeable inspector to confirm the integrity of the car and the restoration so that there are no big surprises after purchase.
+1
Here's the write up for the sake of records:
1965 SHELBY AMERICAN GT350 SFM5S047
Very early "two digit" GT350 – one of the coveted early cars
Built along side the Cobras at the Venice CA Factory
Many very early unique parts: Cobra steering wheel, original
gauges, gauge pod, horn switch, etc.
Comprehensive cosmetic restoration by Concours Restorations
Copies of Shelby American Factory Paperwork included
Photo documentation of existing Factory Ford VIN numbers
Sold new by Ray Hunt Ford Daytona Beach Florida
15″ Crager/Shelby wheels with new, correct "Blue Dot" Goodyear's
Correct Rear mount battery, unique only to early production
Glove box signed by Carroll Shelby
Built in Venice CA before Shelby moved to the LA Airport
Early cars all destined for prototype development and sold
only to "special" high profile customers and used for media
A RARE opportunity to own one of the first 50 GT350's!
In 1964, the Ford Motor Corporation fired the first shot in the Pony Car Wars, introducing an adaptation of their popular compact Falcon that would change the American car market and even stood as a symbol of a revolutionary decade: the Mustang. Itself a compact sporty car offered at an attractive price and aimed at youthful starting car buyers, the Mustang immediately made a big impression and it sold very well; the original Mustang still holds the record for first-year new-model sales of an astounding 680,989 units between April 1964 and August 1965, when it was replaced by the 1966 model.
From early days, Ford's division chief Lee Iacocca still felt that the Mustang's image needed a boost, so he contacted former racecar driver and nascent sports car manufacturer Carroll Shelby, famous for the iconic Ford powered AC Shelby Cobra and also involved in Ford's GT40 racing car project. Shelby was asked to modify the Mustang in a way so it could win the Sports Car Club of America's national B-Production Championship Series. And so, early in 1965, a new competition breed of Mustangs came into life; finished at the Shelby-American shop in Los Angeles and topped off with Shelby badges and trademarks like the Cobra's own logo and named the Shelby GT-350, the designation that would go on all small-block Shelby Mustangs until 1970.
The first Shelby Mustang GT-350 appeared on January 27, 1965. It was based on the Ford Mustang fastback and was painted white with blue stripes, which was to remain the original color scheme for the 1965 and 1966 models. From the outside the GT-350 didn't look very different from a regular Mustang, but underneath the body and under the hood, many changes were made. The GT-350 was fitted with Ford's 289ci small-block V-8 engine in "Hi-Performance" trim. This unit produced 271hp as standard, but modified by Shelby it cranked out 306hp at 6000 rpm, which rendered the GT-350 a top speed of about 150mph, quite good for a 2600 pound car without serious big-block power. The elaborate Shelby modifications made the GT-350 a true racing car. The engine was fitted with a high-rise manifold, a bigger four-barrel carburetor and a free-flowing exhaust. A fiberglass hood featuring a functional air-scoop covered the engine which made it stand apart from regular less powerful Mustangs. To cope with the additional power the Mustang's optional Borg-Warner T-10 4-speed gearbox was standard in the GT-350 and also the Falcon rear axle of the standard Mustang was replaced by the stronger rear axle of the full-size Ford Galaxie. Remarkably, this treatment was practically copied from the work Shelby and Ken Miles had previously done to create the Sunbeam Tiger. The GT-350's suspension featured adjustable Koni shocks and Shelby-cast 15 inch alloy wheels with high-performance Goodyear tires were fitted.
Presented in outstanding restored condition to original specifications, this GT350, as acknowledged by the Shelby American Automobile Club Registry as one of just the very first group: "Date received at Shelby American in Venice12/23/64, date work started 2/8/65; date work finished 2/23/65, clearly recording the very early production of this very special Shelby. The small, original facility, where Carroll Shelby and his Shelby American Team developed and built Cobras and GT40's, also housed the early GT350 program, originally designed only to produce enough cars for SCCA homologation compliance, a minimum of 100. Early prototypes, in both Race and Street Model form were built alongside their more prestigious stablemates, with a cadre of unique and special parts and evolutionary/developmental construction techniques, making the very early "Venice built GT350's" the most highly coveted by Shelby collectors and aficionados.
Just a few of these unique elements include the larger 16-inch genuine wood steering wheel – essentially a Cobra item, complete with the later Cobra center piece. In addition, the early fiberglass gauge pod with correct, ORIGNAL instruments, along with a host of smaller detail items, such as the dash mounted horn button switch, early production only; rear mounted battery, all present and accounted for on SFM 5S047, are clear indicators of keen attention to detail and accouterments of the Venice built cars, known affectionately by enthusiast's as "two digit cars".
As one would expect from any collector "blue chip" vehicle of this caliber, the package of historical and related provenance documents is extensive. Authentic, original Shelby American Invoices detail early, factory authorized work, much of which was done under warranty. The later style hood, currently restored and still with SFM5S047, is detailed within this documentation and a significant part of its history. Furthermore, the complete complement of document copies, authentication and records from the Shelby American Club are present which include Factory Invoice, Ford VIN cross reference, and various relative correspondence on file.
Priced appropriately at: $425,000.00
Plan on spending money for "several" things under the hood. Moving the coil is free , the rest could be in the thousands if "all" was corrected. I am still amused that sellers feel giving the SAI history helps the sale.
Guess the inner fender SA plate goes with the car?
Side note: this same Shelby was for sale at Russo and Steele in Monterey last year, and I believe it showed as "sold" at the time. However, the listing under "Results" no longer comes up, but the catalog still shows the listing. Attached is a picture from the catalog with an estimate of $375K to $425K.
One more note - the 65 Shelby Registry has a "check mark" for this car in the front section; which leads me to believe anyone considering the car should call Howard Pardee (the 65 SAAC Registrar) for more information.
Quote from: gt350hr on May 28, 2020, 01:02:34 PM
Plan on spending money for "several" things under the hood. Moving the coil is free , the rest could be in the thousands if "all" was corrected. I am still amused that sellers feel giving the SAI history helps the sale.
Agreed! Sort of like giving the history of dirt when putting your house up for sale.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on May 28, 2020, 02:51:57 PM
Quote from: gt350hr on May 28, 2020, 01:02:34 PM
Plan on spending money for "several" things under the hood. Moving the coil is free , the rest could be in the thousands if "all" was corrected. I am still amused that sellers feel giving the SAI history helps the sale.
Agreed! Sort of like giving the history of dirt when putting your house up for sale.
LOL!!!
Got to love the upper radiator hose stamp ::) If nothing else it's "CreaTive"
Steel framed hood , blue air cleaner base , "hex" oil pressure stand off , '66 washer bag , fuel pump ,'66 fuel line clip, shocks , shock tower caps. All can be fixed but all should have already been "fixed".
Cast iron water pump and later timing cover also raises questions.
Would be interesting to see undercarriage pics.
Charles ,
I sure missed those! great catch.
is the drivers side fender a '66?
Also - coil mounting location - Is that correct?
beautiful looking car though..
Dave
Hmm, the 'this one is rare' game.
Aren't the front mounted battery 1965 GT-350s factually the 'rare' ones?
Just going off of the production numbers....silly me!
Quote from: Shelby_r_b on May 28, 2020, 01:11:57 PM
Side note: this same Shelby was for sale at Russo and Steele in Monterey last year, and I believe it showed as "sold" at the time. However, the listing under "Results" no longer comes up, but the catalog still shows the listing. Attached is a picture from the catalog with an estimate of $375K to $425K.
One more note - the 65 Shelby Registry has a "check mark" for this car in the front section; which leads me to believe anyone considering the car should call Howard Pardee (the 65 SAAC Registrar) for more information.
Agree, a check mark prompts a call to Howard pretty quickly
Cheers
BUT THEY SAID "COSMETIC" restoration... it just has to look pretty! ::) :'(
Quote from: camp upshur on May 28, 2020, 09:23:51 PM
Hmm, the 'this one is rare' game.
Aren't the front mounted battery 1965 GT-350s factually the 'rare' ones?
Just going off of the production numbers....silly me!
The switch-over to front mount battery was in the late 200's, early 300's, so split about in half of production one way or the other. No matter the numbers, trunk mount is the original design and more desirable.
Trying to keep it factual here.
Opinion, over documentation and scholarship, has really hurt the 65 community over the years.
Switchover was at 340. 562 were produced.
When people start talking rare or desirable, run for the hills!
Quote from: camp upshur on May 29, 2020, 01:53:45 AM
Trying to keep it factual here.
Opinion, over documentation and scholarship, has really hurt the 65 community over the years.
Switchover was at 340. 562 were produced.
When people start talking rare or desirable, run for the hills!
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Funny ! never think about it ! that makes true the adage , rare doesen't mean desirable all the time :) (i check in the registry , and begining of reporting of Front battery is 328 ).
If a Venice car is such a stigma , "someone" should have done a more respectful restoration.
I believe it was "restored" by Drew Alcazar... 8)
So paint buffed , chrome and aluminum polished , tires sprayed. "Comprehensive"? Maybe that is why he went into the auction business.
Back in the day when Drew had his Concours Restoration business he admittedly pandered to the auction crowd with the way he restored cars. He knew better but gave them what they wanted. The record prices some of his sold at auction restorations brought gave him a lot of recognition. Back then car buyers were very influenced with polished ,shiny ,minus any factory percieved sloppy work that today is looked at as historical accuracy. The buyers were typically less informed then on factory build techniques compared to today. Given those shiny influenced buyers and sellers were a large percentage of his clients it seemed only natural that he gravitated to the auction scene that they were active in.
Can anyone share what the "check mark" means?
Quote from: Greg on May 29, 2020, 01:55:47 PM
Can anyone share what the "check mark" means?
" A check mark is used to identify cars which for one reason or another, have caused the Registrar to have questions about some or all of the information he was provided." "Check mark= Some questions remain regarding this cars history, authenticity or chain of ownership; additional information is being sought."
Two entries from the 2020 Coil Spring Cobra Registry.
One period magazine article on the red '66 GT350 convertible he restored showed red paint in the tread grooves of the front tire ( pass side). Beautiful paint and body work though. That was in the day when many thought the under side should be black. Man we've come a long way.
I bought 047 from Larry Parker in Orlando on 8-9-1982. He purchased it from the orginal owner Robert Mungall. On 10-1982 I sold it to Wayne Conover. Car was rusty in the rear quarters, door jams, side vents. Had its orginal trans with a hurst shifter and a red right front fender. Orginal motor had been blown up and was missing. It was also missing the steering wheel and insturment panel. The orginal hood was with vehicle. I have never been contacted about this vehicle and I do have several photos.
I just found my copy of title from Larry Parker showing he bought it 07/18-1977. The car was in his wife's name Mary Ann Praker
Quote from: Darrpo on May 29, 2020, 04:33:22 PM
I bought 047 from Larry Parker in Orlando on 8-9-1982. He purchased it from the orginal owner Robert Mungall. On 10-1982 I sold it to Wayne Conover. Car was rusty in the rear quarters, door jams, side vents. Had its orginal trans with a hurst shifter and a red right front fender. Orginal motor had been blown up and was missing. It was also missing the steering wheel and insturment panel. The orginal hood was with vehicle. I have never been contacted about this vehicle and I do have several photos.
Hi , maybe this picture is one of yours ? it suppose to be 047 ? i can't remember where i found it on internet ..
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/jER2cE.jpg)
No one can hide the "truth" from SAAC 8)
Quote from: chris NOS on May 29, 2020, 05:03:31 PM
Quote from: Darrpo on May 29, 2020, 04:33:22 PM
I bought 047 from Larry Parker in Orlando on 8-9-1982. He purchased it from the orginal owner Robert Mungall. On 10-1982 I sold it to Wayne Conover. Car was rusty in the rear quarters, door jams, side vents. Had its orginal trans with a hurst shifter and a red right front fender. Orginal motor had been blown up and was missing. It was also missing the steering wheel and insturment panel. The orginal hood was with vehicle. I have never been contacted about this vehicle and I do have several photos.
Hi , maybe this picture is one of yours ? it suppose to be 047 ? i can't remember where i found it on internet ..
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/jER2cE.jpg)
A few photos I have in my files. I found them on Facebook a while ago.
Quote from: Darrpo on May 29, 2020, 04:38:16 PM
I just found my copy of title from Larry Parker showing he bought it 07/18-1977. The car was in his wife's name Mary Ann Praker
I knew a Larry Parker from Orlando (kinda a big guy, caucasian, black somewhat long hair, often some time between shaves, and generally wearing a baseball cap & dark blue uniforms for whom he worked, maybe the same guy?) during or just post these dates, was a good customer here for many years; I think I remember him mentioning he had sold a Shelby project he felt he would never finish, which supplied him with some of the funds he then dropped in our shop for some of his other projects back then (maaaybe a Fairlane w/ 427?). :-\
Scott.
we can see the washers welded on the export brace on those pictures .
Quote from: chris NOS on May 29, 2020, 07:53:44 PM
we can see the washers welded on the export brace on those pictures .
Are you referring to the front shock tower mounts rather than the export brace?
Third picture from top in Reply #33
yes , sorry,my mistake ! no point then !
Yes they were my pictures that my son posted a few years back. Larry Parker was the driver/ mech for Dale Nichols(owner of gt40 XGT-3,427 cobra,289 cobra plus many more ford race cars). I worked for State Farm insurance for many years. He also drove in the 12 hrs at Datona in a Viper. He was a very nice guy an attended many SAAC convention with the GT 40. I think his son still has a 68 Shelby.
I ment to say Larry worked for State Farm