I recently bought a set of "Concours" Marti clamped and stapled radiator hoses for my 67 GT350 from NPD. The top hose is WAY too short (by about 2"). Lower hose is fine.
Has anyone had the same experience? Original stock radiator, stock water neck, stock motor mounts. Any help appreciated.
Kurt.
Quote from: 67350#1242 on June 03, 2020, 06:14:38 PM
I recently bought a set of "Concours" Marti clamped and stapled radiator hoses for my 67 GT350 from NPD. The top hose is WAY too short (by about 2"). Lower hose is fine.
Has anyone had the same experience? Original stock radiator, stock water neck, stock motor mounts. Any help appreciated.
Kurt.
Yes, over the many years that they have been in business there have been anomalies. I would suggest sending it back to NPD and getting another. Of course let them know the problem and have then check the dimensions of the replacement so that you don't have a repeat experience.
Kurt, I replaced the upper hose on my Shelby because Marti had ink stamped in on the side almost down towards the water pump. I ordered a new set from NPD. The set I received was softer than the set that had been on the car for two years and the upper hose was longer.
The ink stamp lasted three months. Come to find out if Marti is out of inventory they use the hose sets supplied by Mustang Market.
Perhaps that is your issue.
I wasn't real happy with my hose set that I ordered from Marti the ink seems to be smudged and a hose is kind of got a ribbed finish, and the pictures I've seen of other peoples cars the hose is smooth and the print is clear & not smudged because of the ribs, I ordered these ones directly from Marti and then I ordered another set from another source and they were both exactly the same.
Quote from: 68krrrr on June 03, 2020, 07:29:08 PM
I wasn't real happy with my hose set that I ordered from Marti the ink seems to be smudged and a hose is kind of got a ribbed finish, and the pictures I've seen of other peoples cars the hose is smooth and the print is clear & not smudged because of the ribs, I ordered these ones directly from Marti and then I ordered another set from another source and they were both exactly the same.
The hose should have texture as pictured.
I've had the same issue twice with the Marti upper hoses for a 67 GT350 being too short. I contacted Marti Auto Works, and they, unfortunately, were no help. I ended up getting a different hose on my own and getting the correct clamps.
I feel your pain. It's extremely frustrating, especially when the hose I removed was more than correct in length and bend. And, these hoses are not cheap.
QuoteI've had the same issue twice with the Marti upper hoses for a 67 GT350 being too short. I contacted Marti Auto Works, and they, unfortunately, were no help. I ended up getting a different hose on my own and getting the correct clamps.
I feel your pain. It's extremely frustrating, especially when the hose I removed was more than correct in length and bend. And, these hoses are not cheap.
Ditto for me. This is actually the second set for me too. The first time about 2 yrs ago that I returned to NPD had the same short hose. Marti was no help at all. I thought they would have corrected by now but apparently not.
The NPD/Marti listing says "every 67 GT350 should have these hoses". Well I don't know what GT350 it fits but I suspect NONE.
Agreed with others that their stampings are very marginal at best and do not last long in use - also the texture is too smooth and hose quality not the best.
I am curious what brand or make hose you ended up using as I have decided to get an upper elsewhere and staple on clamps myself like you did.
By the way I have encountered problems with the Marti battery cable sets being too short on the engine ground side and also not the greatest quality.
Thanks for everybodys response. Kurt.
Quote from: 67350#1242 on June 03, 2020, 09:28:20 PM
QuoteI've had the same issue twice with the Marti upper hoses for a 67 GT350 being too short. I contacted Marti Auto Works, and they, unfortunately, were no help. I ended up getting a different hose on my own and getting the correct clamps.
I feel your pain. It's extremely frustrating, especially when the hose I removed was more than correct in length and bend. And, these hoses are not cheap.
Ditto for me. This is actually the second set for me too. The first time about 2 yrs ago that I returned to NPD had the same short hose. Marti was no help at all. I thought they would have corrected by now but apparently not.
The NPD/Marti listing says "every 67 GT350 should have these hoses". Well I don't know what GT350 it fits but I suspect NONE.
Agreed with others that their stampings are very marginal at best and do not last long in use - also the texture is too smooth and hose quality not the best.
I am curious what brand or make hose you ended up using as I have decided to get an upper elsewhere and staple on clamps myself like you did.
By the way I have encountered problems with the Marti battery cable sets being too short on the engine ground side and also not the greatest quality.
Thanks for everybodys response. Kurt.
Man, I had the same problem with the engine ground side as well! Conours routing is almost impossible, given the shortness and the of the cable.
I am having the same issue, twice with the pre-assembly clamps stapled on for 66 GT350. It is frustrating. On the first set, I did call a retailer, member on this forum, and they said it was correct and some thing was not right with my car. They said it should work and try again. I have several early first gen Mustangs to compare against, and the hose was too short for all them. I even had them measure a hose they had in stock to compare lengths. They were the same length as mine. I tried a second pair from Marti directly and have the same problem. I should let Marti know my purchase is not working. If we all advised Marti of the issue, maybe he would fix.
Cory
Quote from: 68krrrr on June 03, 2020, 07:29:08 PM
I wasn't real happy with my hose set that I ordered from Marti the ink seems to be smudged and a hose is kind of got a ribbed finish, and the pictures I've seen of other peoples cars the hose is smooth and the print is clear & not smudged because of the ribs, I ordered these ones directly from Marti and then I ordered another set from another source and they were both exactly the same.
The texture on your hose looks fantastic to me but then I search far and wide for original assemblyline texture like that at swap meets etc. You can make up a stamp with enough patience and accurate artwork but it is the texture hose that is hard to find. The smooth look is typically the tell tale sign of a later repro or replacement hose. The texture was considered a "undesirable effect" back in the day and steps were taken to make them more smooth. The ink stamps on mass produced hoses ,coils,early starters etc. were often smudged more times then they were not.
I got new upper and lower from Marti a few years ago to get the stapled clamp versions instead of the tower clamps which were on the car when I got it.I had to pull the top hose pretty tight to reach the water neck, therefore the hose doesn't have that ninety degree look to it now, it's smooth surface too.
I don't know how to load pictures on here, but if I can email to someone who can I will do that.
I wasn't happy at the time, but just lived with it.
I always imagined Marti being a small hands on business. I mean, his buying pool has to be kind of limited and not getting bigger.
Guys willing to pay top dollar for correct parts don't grow on trees.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 03, 2020, 10:54:22 PM
Quote from: 68krrrr on June 03, 2020, 07:29:08 PM
I wasn't real happy with my hose set that I ordered from Marti the ink seems to be smudged and a hose is kind of got a ribbed finish, and the pictures I've seen of other peoples cars the hose is smooth and the print is clear & not smudged because of the ribs, I ordered these ones directly from Marti and then I ordered another set from another source and they were both exactly the same.
The texture on your hose looks fantastic to me but then I search far and wide for original assemblyline texture like that at swap meets etc. You can make up a stamp with enough patience and accurate artwork but it is the texture hose that is hard to find. The smooth look is typically the tell tale sign of a later repro or replacement hose. The texture was considered a "undesirable effect" back in the day and steps were taken to make them more smooth. The ink stamps on mass produced hoses ,coils,early starters etc. were often smudged more times then they were not.
ok thanks guys i thought the smooth ones were the correct ones
Quote from: rcgt350 on June 04, 2020, 01:18:51 AM
I got new upper and lower from Marti a few years ago to get the stapled clamp versions instead of the tower clamps which were on the car when I got it.I had to pull the top hose pretty tight to reach the water neck, therefore the hose doesn’t have that ninety degree look to it now, it’s smooth surface too.
I don’t know how to load pictures on here, but if I can email to someone who can I will do that.
I wasn’t happy at the time, but just lived with it.
Randy, sent you a PM...or call me
JD
+1 totally agree. The NOS hoses look very much like that hose except the ink stamps on NOS hoses are often much weaker and smudged. Also the ink stamp on NOS hoses could be facing the ground or on the very top. Ford didn't care - it was a radiator hose, not a chrome badge on the outside of the car.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 03, 2020, 10:54:22 PM
Quote from: 68krrrr on June 03, 2020, 07:29:08 PM
I wasn't real happy with my hose set that I ordered from Marti the ink seems to be smudged and a hose is kind of got a ribbed finish, and the pictures I've seen of other peoples cars the hose is smooth and the print is clear & not smudged because of the ribs, I ordered these ones directly from Marti and then I ordered another set from another source and they were both exactly the same.
The texture on your hose looks fantastic to me but then I search far and wide for original assemblyline texture like that at swap meets etc. You can make up a stamp with enough patience and accurate artwork but it is the texture hose that is hard to find. The smooth look is typically the tell tale sign of a later repro or replacement hose. The texture was considered a "undesirable effect" back in the day and steps were taken to make them more smooth. The ink stamps on mass produced hoses ,coils,early starters etc. were often smudged more times then they were not.
Negative battery cable: I've asked them (Marti) to please custom make me one that was 4" longer. They did and you can route it per the assembly manual. The issue is that, why did I have to ask for that?
Quote from: roddster on June 04, 2020, 09:06:40 AM
Negative battery cable: I've asked them (Marti) to please custom make me one that was 4" longer. They did and you can route it per the assembly manual. The issue is that, why did I have to ask for that?
Marti is stubborn and apparently has engineering drawings that support the way he does it vs.the way we find them in the real world. For example we had to fight him for years before he started putting the wire clamps on 66 and 67 radiator hoses as a matter of everyday practice. He finally did. Thank goodness he isn't as stubborn as Ed Meyer or he wouldn't have given a inch. ::) :D
Here are the images that "rcgt350" wanted to post...
Quote from: JD on June 04, 2020, 12:00:06 PM
Here are the images that "rcgt350" wanted to post...
That is the look of a typical 65/66 SB hose .The 67/68 version has the the more right angle typically. A different engineering number indicated a different hose design . At least on the original Ford hoses. It looks like a one hose fit all situation here. That hose is alright for a 65/66 for 67/68 not so much.
Thanks for the pictures, JD. And, agreed, Bob.
I forgot to mention that shortness of the upper hose (both times), caused the fan blade to start cutting into the upper hose.
OK - rant over. 8)
As footnote here is the text of his post and the non-fitting issue that has caused the wrong shape appearance...
rcgt350
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I got new upper and lower from Marti a few years ago to get the stapled clamp versions instead of the tower clamps which were on the car when I got it. I had to pull the top hose pretty tight to reach the water neck, therefore the hose doesn't have that ninety degree look to it now, it's smooth surface too.
I don't know how to load pictures on here, but if I can email to someone who can I will do that.
I wasn't happy at the time, but just lived with it.
I did a quick measurement for comparison: The centerline length of the Marti piece is just over 12" while existing hoses on 2 different cars are just over 14".
Anyone able to measure your 66 for comparison to the Marti hose?
The Marti wire clamp hose I installed on my 66 2 years ago measures the same and fits fine, no issues. I keep the old, non-wire clap hose I pulled off in the trunk and it also measures the same.
So I would of ordered the hoses for a 67' application, and your saying I have 66' hose here? I realize that the ink stamped part number likely doesn't carry much weight, so what do I have to do to get the correct one from Marti? Is there not someone else who does a better job and pays attention to what they're supplying out there?
I should have mentioned I have a 67' big block application. The Mustang Market hoses are very smooth as well. Many hoses are being supplied in cut-to-length applications to cut down on the types manufactured. A suggestion might be to see if Napa has something that is correct. Perhaps Marti would ink-stamp your product if you can find something more fitting. Good Year and Gates I believe are the last two US based manufacturers.
Quote from: The Going Thing on June 05, 2020, 06:16:17 AM
I should have mentioned I have a 67' big block application. The Mustang Market hoses are very smooth as well. Many hoses are being supplied in cut-to-length applications to cut down on the types manufactured. A suggesting might be to see if Napa has something that is correct. Perhaps Marti would ink-stamp your product if you can find something more fitting. GoodYear and Gates I believe are the last two US based manufacturers.
I and others have been sending textured hoses to Marti for years to have stamped so you can count on a better chance then just perhaps.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 05, 2020, 11:06:31 AM
I and others have been sending textured hoses to Marti for years to have stamped so you can count on a better chance then just perhaps.
New textured hoses?
Quote from: 2112 on June 05, 2020, 11:48:48 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on June 05, 2020, 11:06:31 AM
I and others have been sending textured hoses to Marti for years to have stamped so you can count on a better chance then just perhaps.
New textured hoses?
No, old textured hoses.
Thanks, Bob. I wasn't sure if he would stamp products that he didn't provide. Great to know.
I have an update to this thread. After receiving my feedback on the hose kit purchase, NPD's Richard Schmidt was immediately in contact with me to resolve the problem. I will receive a refund for the upper hose that I didn't use and they are working with Marti to resolve the problem. I did not have to ask for the refund. I am very impressed with the responsiveness and concern shown by NPD - they really are on the side of the enthusiast and I wanted to make sure people on this forum know it.
If anyone is looking to buy the Marti SB concours hose kit with clamps it is suggested to contact Richard Schmidt or Scott Halseth first to see if this problem is fixed prior to order. I am told it could take awhile.
Kurt.
Many thanks for the update! As noted by the number of responses, there is vested concern among many that Marti gets this corrected.
The credit should go to the person finally able to support a correct position, back it up with evidence and follow through.
Well played
i ran into this issue just recently, i thought my upper (Marti)hose was short, then after some detective work and ordering of a few sets of hose i found that in tmy case i had it wasnt the upper hose being to short it was the radiator re-core had the upper hose outlet out to far, about an inch which made the hose seem to short.
so in this case it was the re-coring of the radiator that was my issue and maybe it is an issue for a few more people. maybe not just a hose reproduction issue.
Quote from: imming1965 on June 20, 2020, 07:25:07 PM
i ran into this issue just recently, i thought my upper (Marti)hose was short, then after some detective work and ordering of a few sets of hose i found that in tmy case i had it wasnt the upper hose being to short it was the radiator re-core had the upper hose outlet out to far, about an inch which made the hose seem to short.
so in this case it was the re-coring of the radiator that was my issue and maybe it is an issue for a few more people. maybe not just a hose reproduction issue.
+1
I had the same situation as well after having a radiator re-cored. I didn't notice until after installing it in the car and trying to hook up the same Marti hose. I measured the outlet to be approximately .75 inch further outboard. It appears there's a variation (maybe different application) you want to watch out for.
Hi all,
Did this ever get resolved? Has Marti Auto Works fixed the short upper radiator hose? Specifically for 289 for 66?
Thanks
Cory
Hi all,
I called Marti Auto Works today and talked to Eric. They are standing by their claim the upper hose is made per Ford drawings and they are correct length. They claim the issue usually is a wrong radiator with a outlet too far outboard, making the hose too short to reach. I informed him I have several cars that would use that hose with original dated coded W-MO radiators, bone stock, and they are still too short. He asked that I take some photo's and send to him. I will let you know what happens.
Take care
Cory
Does anyone know the correct distance of the upper water neck say from centre point of rad to centre point of outlet?