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Title: Shelby American; USA Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 16, 2018, 06:05:14 PM
Ok, who follows these vehicles...or has any interest in them?

Last year I started a list of all these "other" Shelby American vehicles. This included the CS Driving School, Goodyear / CS Enterprises, and well as the SA Transporters and Support Vehicles. (I can't explain why I do this stuff)
 ::)

Anyway, I'm building the list with the approximate year/model, license plate, and locations spotted. I suspect there is ledger(s) that exists with most of this info, but I've never seen anything like that so far.

To start this off here's the first CS Goodyear Enterprises van. It was a CHEVY!?!
Yes a Chevy Corvair Greenbriar window van. Not what I would have expected as a tire hauler for Shelby.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-160318225424-6002003.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-160318225424-6542094.jpeg)

Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 16, 2018, 06:07:08 PM
Here's the proof it was used for CS Enterprises

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-160318225424-6551455.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Bob Gaines on March 16, 2018, 08:21:27 PM
Ok, who follows these vehicles...or has any interest in them?

Last year I started a list of all these "other" Shelby American vehicles. This included the CS Driving School, Goodyear / CS Enterprises, and well as the SA Transporters and Support Vehicles. (I can't explain why I do this stuff)
 ::)

Anyway, I'm building the list with the approximate year/model, license plate, and locations spotted. I suspect there is ledger(s) that exists with most of this info, but I've never seen anything like that so far.

To start this off here's the first CS Goodyear Enterprises van. It was a CHEVY!?!
Yes a Chevy Corvair Greenbriar window van. Not what I would have expected as a tire hauler for Shelby.
Don't forget the different set of vehicles used in Europe vs. US.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on March 16, 2018, 08:30:32 PM
Ok, who follows these vehicles...or has any interest in them?

Last year I started a list of all these "other" Shelby American vehicles. This included the CS Driving School, Goodyear / CS Enterprises, and well as the SA Transporters and Support Vehicles. (I can't explain why I do this stuff)
 ::)

Anyway, I'm building the list with the approximate year/model, license plate, and locations spotted. I suspect there is ledger(s) that exists with most of this info, but I've never seen anything like that so far.

To start this off here's the first CS Goodyear Enterprises van. It was a CHEVY!?!
Yes a Chevy Corvair Greenbriar window van. Not what I would have expected as a tire hauler for Shelby.
Don't need No expanation, Cool Stuff 8)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: kjspeed on March 16, 2018, 08:31:53 PM
I for one love seeing the CS support vehicles especially the COE haulers and the crazy single axle trailer rigs they hauled Cobra Daytona coupes with. Keep 'em coming!
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 557 on March 16, 2018, 08:32:58 PM
That thing would be super cool to build a replica of...
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: papa scoops on March 16, 2018, 08:33:47 PM
how about the planes? phred
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: acman63 on March 16, 2018, 09:09:26 PM
we have one of the two wheel trailers in the Shelby American Collection
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 16, 2018, 09:13:26 PM
I for one love seeing the CS support vehicles especially the COE haulers and the crazy single axle trailer rigs they hauled Cobra Daytona coupes with. Keep 'em coming!
At SAAC 1 the Daytona Coupe arrived on a really junk single axle trailer - turns out it was the original.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 16, 2018, 11:08:04 PM
Bob,
I didn't forget about the European Transporters and support vehicles, but I've save then for another thread...

kjspeed / Jim,
The single trailers will be included in my photos and info posted here.

Papa scoops,
Sorry I have very little about the plane other than that one magazine cover an maybe an article with another photo.


I'll clean up my list and post it here shortly. (I updated the photos in the first two posts)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 10:14:13 AM
This next early CS Enterprises Inc. vehicle is very likely from an earlier point in time. It has 1042 Princeton Dr. written on the doors, not 3219 Carter Ave.
The truck has an older style replaced bed.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318100624-6561194.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 10:16:16 AM
This photo was noted as Riverside, but I believe it is Laguna Seca on the same weekend as the Corvair van pictured previously 9/63

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318100624-65949.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 10:23:14 AM
Below is the list of the three Carroll Shelby Enterprises Inc. vehicles that I have spotted to date. If anyone has a photo showing the missing license plates or other locations with dates that would be very helpful. I'll post photos of the more commonly seen '64 Econoline Van next.

1963 Ford F250 pickup – CS Enterprises 1042 Princeton Dr – Goodyear Racing Tires -white with older model bed style
     CA plate? (63-5-26 Princeton Dr / 63-9 Road America / 63-9 RiversideLaguna Seca)

1963 Chevy Corvair Greenbriar Window Van- CS Enterprises Inc. 3219 Carter - Goodyear Racing Tires; w Goodyear box trailer
     CA plate “GBV 310” Van – Trailer plate? (63-9 Laguna Seca)

1964 Econoline Heavy Duty Panel Van - CS Enterprises 3219 Carter - Goodyear Racing Tires; w Goodyear box trailer
     CA plate? – Trailer plate? (64-2 Riverside, 64-4 Phoenix, 64-5 Laguna Seca & 64-5 Kent)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 10:45:37 AM
The Econoline...nice matching paint to trailer

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318104420-6601472.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 10:47:32 AM
Riverside February 1964

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318104420-6622361.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 10:48:42 AM
Door with address.  "Getting a bit friendly with Bondo"

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318104420-6611310.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 10:50:06 AM
Phoenix April 1964

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318104420-664122.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318104420-663427.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 10:56:32 AM
Laguna Seca 1964 May 3

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318105521-6652325.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Bob Gaines on March 17, 2018, 10:56:52 AM
The Econoline...nice matching paint to trailer

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318104420-6601472.jpeg)
What about the Falcon pickup in the picture? Was that Brocks personal car or was it SA inventory. Is that the exact same one at the Boulder Muesium now?
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 10:57:44 AM
Kent 1964 May 10

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318105521-6661239.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318105521-6672292.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: JD on March 17, 2018, 10:59:39 AM
Rich nice, thanks!
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 11:10:11 AM
The Econoline...nice matching paint to trailer

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318104420-6601472.jpeg)
What about the Falcon pickup in the picture? Was that Brocks personal car or was it SA inventory. Is that the exact same one at the Boulder Muesium now?

Oh Bob, your teasing me, aren't you?

You have a valid question; Was it Pete Brock's personal car or in SA inventory?
I was saving the 1963 Falcon Panel wagon for the next group of vehicles from the CSSHPD (Carroll Shelby School of High Performance Driving).
We know it replaced the '55 Chevy panel wagon once the School was up and running. I've always assumed it was SA property for the school needs.
Anyone know for sure?
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Bob Gaines on March 17, 2018, 11:25:39 AM
The Econoline...nice matching paint to trailer

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318104420-6601472.jpeg)
What about the Falcon pickup in the picture? Was that Brocks personal car or was it SA inventory. Is that the exact same one at the Boulder Muesium now?

Oh Bob, your teasing me, aren't you?

You have a valid question; Was it Pete Brock's personal car or in SA inventory?
I was saving the 1963 Falcon Panel wagon for the next group of vehicles from the CSSHPD (Carroll Shelby School of High Performance Driving).
We know it replaced the '55 Chevy panel wagon once the School was up and running. I've always assumed it was SA property for the school needs.
Anyone know for sure?
I think it was you teasing all of us knowing full well the obvious Shelby vehicle in the picture and not mentioning it . Big surprise someone noticed it wasn't mentioned ;) ;D
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: alexgt350h on March 17, 2018, 12:19:52 PM
I wasn't 100% sure about the Falcon mentioned, so--- I texted Gail Brock for the answer.

"It was his personal vehicle. It's called a Ford Sedan Delivery. Peter ordered it special with a V8, which meant it had to be moved from the regular production line to a different line that installed V8's. As far as Peter knows, it was the only one built that way. He doesn't recall when he sold it, but the person he sold it to was the person who sold it to the museum in boulder."
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 12:47:44 PM
I wasn't 100% sure about the Falcon mentioned, so--- I texted Gail Brock for the answer.

"It was his personal vehicle. It's called a Ford Sedan Delivery. Peter ordered it special with a V8, which meant it had to be moved from the regular production line to a different line that installed V8's. As far as Peter knows, it was the only one built that way. He doesn't recall when he sold it, but the person he sold it to was the person who sold it to the museum in boulder."

Thank You Alex!
 8)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: BGlover67 on March 17, 2018, 04:35:11 PM
They used Bugeye Sprites as race cars at the High Performance School?
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 17, 2018, 05:25:52 PM
Riverside February 1964

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318104420-6622361.jpeg)
The IRS Falcon?
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 05:36:26 PM
They used Bugeye Sprites as race cars at the High Performance School?

Yep!
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 05:37:34 PM
Riverside February 1964

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318104420-6622361.jpeg)
The IRS Falcon?

I've read that and also used a test bed for the R model development
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 05:44:35 PM
Looking at the CSSHPD next,

I don't have any photos of the "55 Chevy panel wagon. It was replaced with Pete Brock's 1963 Ford Falcon Sedan Delivery.
These photo in front of 1042 Princeton Dr. are a great comparison to show the scale of the Daytona.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318174151-668140.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318174151-6711017.jpeg)

Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 05:49:02 PM
Here it is at Riverside with the mobile school trailer. We can see the school's Econoline van in the background.
Anyone have a photo of the license plate of the school trailer?

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318174151-672244.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318174151-673548.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 05:53:13 PM
The Econoline van had John Timanus's name on the door. Shown here along the side of the Carter Ave building.
Anyone have the a photo of the license plate on the Van too?

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318175640-675216.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318174151-6741796.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 06:00:45 PM
Testing in January 1965 with some great company. (CSX2513 and possibly SFM5007)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318175640-6761925.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 06:04:06 PM
I grabbed this video still to show of the bright paint colors.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318175640-678198.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 06:05:04 PM
and this ad is probably a fake, but it so cool.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318175640-6791835.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 06:30:00 PM
Most of you have seen this window van "Race Assistance Program" Econoline. This van appeared about the same time the school moved out of Riverside over to Willow Springs in 1966. The 10-spokes make this a sharp van with matching trailer.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318180946-681115.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318180946-6821990.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318180946-680759.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 06:34:30 PM
It shows up in other place too. Here assisting the Toyota 2000 GT development. 1967?

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318180946-684965.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 06:36:38 PM
and again in the background behind CSX2009. (1967?)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318180946-683562.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 17, 2018, 06:49:25 PM
Here's the list of all the CSSHPD (Carroll Shelby School of High Performance Driving) support vehicles I've seen.

1955 Chevy Panel Van - CSSHPD white blue stripes
     CA plate? (Riverside)

1964 Falcon Sedan Delivery - CSSHPD (Pete Brocks personal car) white blue stripes, white walls, full hubcaps; w school trailer
     CA plate “GAL 360” - Trailer plate unknown (64-2 Riverside)

1964 Econoline Panel Van – CSSHPD (John Timanus) ‘64 steel rims center hubcaps/‘65 custom 5-spokes; w school trailer
     CA plate? - Trailer plate? (64 Riverside, 65-1 Riverside, 65-2 Carter Ave)

1966 Econoline Falcon Club Wagon window van - CSSHPD Race Assistance Program, 66 Shelby rims; w Race Assistance box trailer 66 Shelby rims
     CA plate “V24 217” - Trailer plate “VH 5061” or close to it (67-4-15 Green Valley Raceway)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on March 18, 2018, 10:50:24 AM
It shows up in other place too. Here assisting the Toyota 2000 GT development. 1967?

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318180946-684965.jpeg)
Toyota 2000GT
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on March 18, 2018, 10:53:03 AM
Amazing photos!!  Gives us that glimpse of the past and how things were done and how modern for the times, or I should say how "way ahead of their time" :)

Keep them coming, GREAT READING!!
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 18, 2018, 09:07:15 PM
Next on the list are the Shelby American factory support vehicles. I'll start with the vans.

The rarely photographed (Econoline) Falcon Club Wagon is first spotted in the background at Riverside, October 1963.
It has two-tone factory paint option.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-180318210220-69793.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 18, 2018, 09:11:19 PM
The same (maybe) window van appears at the June 1965 Open House at LAX..possibly repainted in all Guardsman Blue.
This and the previous post are the only photos I've ever seen of the window vans through the end of 1965.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-180318210220-698464.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 18, 2018, 09:14:03 PM
I suspect this window van was again repainted to become the "Shelby American Race Asssistance Program" that shows up in 1966.
(photos in reply #35)

Here's the list info on these two SA factory support vans;

1964 Econoline Falcon Club Wagon window van - two tone paint “COBRA Powered by Ford” lettering, steel rims center hubcaps white walls
   CA plate? (63-10-13 Riverside)
1965 Econoline Falcon Club Wagon window van - solid paint “COBRA Powered by Ford” lettering, steel rims center hubcaps white walls
   CA plate? (65-6-7 LAX open house)

Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 19, 2018, 03:02:13 PM
Here's one more photo of the race assistance program window van. This and the other 3 were all taken at Green Valley 4/15/67

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-190318150011.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 19, 2018, 03:40:23 PM
Next are the F-Series pickups.

I’m going to take a step back to the white CS Enterprise INC F250. There appear to be more than one truck used. A second white pickup with a Goodyear logo appears at Laguna Seca in 1963. It was parked on the other side of the King Cobra pictures in reply #11. Another photo shows both trucks parked side by side in the pits. I guess the mismatched bed was sold that way from Ford in ‘63.


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-190318151201-7171869.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-190318151201-72064.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 19, 2018, 03:49:09 PM
In November 1963 this new F-series pickup shows up in front of Princeton Drive with a single trailer. There's no lettering on the door or bed, yet. What did they do with that Daytona buck. I mean, where would they be taking it?
(Can you imagine working next door at the Plastiglide building? I would've been fired for gazing across the lot.)


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-190318151201-721200.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-190318151202-722439.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 19, 2018, 03:54:50 PM
Here the F-Series pickup (F250?) shows up at Riverside with lettering on the door and bed. It looks like the frame is bent with the cab and bed alignment pointing down in the center. There's that Falcon (IRS?) again with the King Cobra CM/3-63.


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-190318151202-723747.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: honker on March 19, 2018, 06:33:14 PM
Rich, great photo of the King Cobra at Riverside, with the pick up.
Am I correct in thinking that Falcon was the test mule for the GT 350 chassis ?
I have a number of photos of it in my computer files, but have not seen that one before.

Thanks   8)  Mike
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on March 19, 2018, 06:53:34 PM
In November 1963 this new F-series pickup shows up in front of Princeton Drive with a single trailer. There's no lettering on the door or bed, yet. What did they do with that Daytona buck. I mean, where would they be taking it?
(Can you imagine working next door at the Plastiglide building? I would've been fired for gazing across the lot.)


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-190318151201-721200.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-190318151202-722439.jpeg)
Look at the RR tire!! It's not even in the trailer tire channel. Back then, I don't think they thought much about safe trailer towing from the photos we see here on the forum. Just to get from point A to B was important ;D
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 19, 2018, 09:35:49 PM
Rich, great photo of the King Cobra at Riverside, with the pick up.
Am I correct in thinking that Falcon was the test mule for the GT 350 chassis ?
I have a number of photos of it in my computer files, but have not seen that one before.

Thanks   8)  Mike

It seems they were testing one of two Ford Developed IRS setups for the GT350.
I think that was the Don Pike T/A Falcon
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 19, 2018, 11:34:01 PM
..... I think that was the Don Pike T/A Falcon


He ended up with it when SA got done with it.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: TA22 (Gary Goeringer) on March 20, 2018, 12:38:12 AM
re the Falcon(s).  I interviewed Don Pike for The Shelby American.   And I also interviewed Wally Peat for the same magazine.   The Falcon Don bought(for $1) was the white Falcon originally built by Holman Moody and was confirmed to run at Daytona in I believe in '64 (at the same time H/M ran the white 427 powered Fairlane).  After the Daytona event the white Falcon went back to Charlotte and drivetrain was removed.  After the '65 Daytona event, the Shelby transporter had a spot and this car was picked up and taken to Venice and prepared by Don and his brother for West Coast sedan events--it was painted a dark shade of blue--a Packard color, and eventually white again with red accents.......the car still exists in a collection in Peru.

The Guardsman Blue Falcon, seen in the photo above, was indeed the prototype IRS car.  Wally Peat was the crew chief on this car--although, depending upon who you speak with, others have claimed that title as well.  Ford built, Shelby modified.  Tested by Miles, Ginther and Lew Spencer.  Proof on concept and the parts were transferred to a Mustang in late '64 or early '65.  The disposition of this car is unknown...possibly sent back to H/M as a Ford asset and lost to history.............

...I'd be happy to hear other points of view and history
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: TA22 (Gary Goeringer) on March 20, 2018, 12:39:34 AM
TA22 is Gary Goeringer
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 20, 2018, 11:44:29 AM
re the Falcon(s).  I interviewed Don Pike for The Shelby American.   And I also interviewed Wally Peat for the same magazine.   The Falcon Don bought(for $1) was the white Falcon originally built by Holman Moody and was confirmed to run at Daytona in I believe in '64 (at the same time H/M ran the white 427 powered Fairlane).  After the Daytona event the white Falcon went back to Charlotte and drivetrain was removed.  After the '65 Daytona event, the Shelby transporter had a spot and this car was picked up and taken to Venice and prepared by Don and his brother for West Coast sedan events--it was painted a dark shade of blue--a Packard color, and eventually white again with red accents.......the car still exists in a collection in Peru.

The Guardsman Blue Falcon, seen in the photo above, was indeed the prototype IRS car.  Wally Peat was the crew chief on this car--although, depending upon who you speak with, others have claimed that title as well.  Ford built, Shelby modified.  Tested by Miles, Ginther and Lew Spencer.  Proof on concept and the parts were transferred to a Mustang in late '64 or early '65.  The disposition of this car is unknown...possibly sent back to H/M as a Ford asset and lost to history.............

...I'd be happy to hear other points of view and history

Thanks Gary, great info to the Falcon(s).
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 20, 2018, 01:18:50 PM
The white trailer shows up again at Riverside on February 1 1964. It's still looking very rough but not for much longer.
We also get our first hint of the F250 Stake bed truck.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-200318131637-7261884.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 20, 2018, 01:21:08 PM
Finally the trailer gets a fresh coat of paint matching the Daytona Coupe csx2287. I estimate this date at around February 10th.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-200318131637-728209.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-200318131638-7291110.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 20, 2018, 01:24:30 PM
We also get a better look at the large "COBRA Powered by Ford" lettering on the F250 from reply #46.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-200318131638-730744.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 20, 2018, 01:27:00 PM
Stepping back a week or so, here's a better look at the F250 Stake bed . It appear to be a light blue metallic, the same as the pickup.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-200318131638-7311587.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Bigfoot on March 20, 2018, 06:32:31 PM
Sick pics Rich
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 20, 2018, 08:41:55 PM
Thanks Biggie. We really have Dave Friedman and who ever hired him from SA to thank for most of the photos posted in this thread.
I've only collected them from the different places and now attempting to put them in an order all in one place.

Continuing with the F-Series pickups,
We see four of them parked side by side at the June 1965 Shelby American Open House photo. So far I've posted photos of the standard F250 pickup and the F250 Stake Bed. Next to appear is a F250 Pick-up with a bed cap. The taillight was removed for two split swing out doors. The cap is a lighter color than the truck and has a roof rack mounted on it. I have not found any photos that show the roof rack in use.

This photo is believed to have been taken in October 1964 with csx3002. This is the first photo I've seen with a F250 painted in a darker color. Likely to match the change to the Guardsman Blue team colors. Notice the Valvoline sticker added on the right front of the cap.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-200318204533-732165.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 20, 2018, 08:52:20 PM
Here we see the F250 with cap in a rear view towing the single car trailer. This was likely taken in February 1965 for testing, before the Daytona 24hr race.
I'm not certain if this is GT/103 or GT/104. Maybe someone can confirm which one it is?

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-200318204533-7362055.jpeg)



And a front view of the F250..

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-200318204533-7382075.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 20, 2018, 08:57:25 PM
Here's a nice trio.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-200318204533-7372035.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 20, 2018, 09:04:07 PM
This last photo of the F250 pickup with bed cap / roof rack appears on May 8, 1966 at the Laguna Seca USRRC event.
Now they've painted the entire truck in dark blue and added the "COBRA Powered by Ford" lettering.

Check out the speakers on the roof rack. What would those be used for?

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-200318204533-7391895.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: JD on March 20, 2018, 09:12:39 PM
This last photo of the F250 pickup with bed cap / roof rack appears on May 8, 1966 at the Laguna Seca USRRC event.
Now they've painted the entire truck in dark blue and added the "COBRA Powered by Ford" lettering.

Check out the speakers on the roof rack. What would those be used for?

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-200318204533-7391895.jpeg)

Viewing platform to see more of the cars on the track.

Not sure about the speakers (tonight only the Blues Brothers)

Rich, Great photos THANKS for posting!!

Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 20, 2018, 09:16:04 PM
This last photo of the F250 pickup with bed cap / roof rack appears on May 8, 1966 at the Laguna Seca USRRC event.
Now they've painted the entire truck in dark blue and added the "COBRA Powered by Ford" lettering.

Check out the speakers on the roof rack. What would those be used for?

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-200318204533-7391895.jpeg)

Viewing platform to see more of the cars on the track.

Not sure about the speakers (tonight only the Blues Brothers)

Rich, Great photos THANKS for posting!!

Ha!  NICE!

The perfect place to put this
 8)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: JD on March 20, 2018, 09:33:12 PM
Also a great casual photo of Jerry Titus, don't see many of him relaxing.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 427heaven on March 20, 2018, 10:28:48 PM
This last photo of the F250 pickup with bed cap / roof rack appears on May 8, 1966 at the Laguna Seca USRRC event.
Now they've painted the entire truck in dark blue and added the "COBRA Powered by Ford" lettering.

Check out the speakers on the roof rack. What would those be used for?

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-200318204533-7391895.jpeg)
  Back than as today some tracks don't have a PA system that is worth a sh.. You could and still can turn your radio on to a local station usually some unknown am station and get all day updates on whats going on at the track. that way everyone around the pits could here whats going on. We all sometimes need to ask our fellow competitors when is practice or delays due to track cleanup or whatever. That's my guess.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Side-Oilers on March 20, 2018, 11:11:05 PM
Regarding reply #61:  I wonder who drove that T-bird to the track?  I assume it was one of the cars Ford loaned to SA for executive use. 
Anyone have photos of exec cars with CS behind the wheel?
I think I recall seeing one on the old site somewhere with him getting in or out of a 1964-ish Continental.

Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 21, 2018, 12:15:23 AM
427heaven,
That's a great guess. Didn't they do the same thing at Drive-In movies. At least that's what I remember at the last one I was at. You tuned into a certain radio frequency get sound in your car radio, or you brought a portable radio to tune in.

Side-Oilers,
I don't know who drove the T-bird but I recall seeing that car in other photos. I think it was parked outside of  the Carter Ave building in Venice.
Can't recall any Ford's with CS  in it or getting out.

JD,
I was thinking the roof rack could be used for viewing but that would have to be a very strong bed cap to use for that purpose.
Jerry Titus smiling and eating with a Sports Car Graphic jacket. Maybe that's his wife in the matching SCG jacket.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: TA22 (Gary Goeringer) on March 21, 2018, 05:43:17 PM
Regarding the pick up roof rack speakers................I dont have any direct knowledge of this photo....but if I were to speculate...this photo was taken at Laguna Seca when the hot pits were on the outside of the track (tell tale ice plant  ??).....if so, there was a fence line which ran on the outside of the paddock---buried cable was hidden in the sand on the fence line.  ...and speakers with poles were used or the public address system..........
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 21, 2018, 07:49:35 PM
Wrapping up the photo of the F-Series pickup photos here's we have two of them heading over to TWA's airfreight loading area.
Well actually this was at the Shelby American Open House on June 7/8, 1965. This is the first and only time I've seen both of the single axle/single car trailers together. The tires of the Daytona's fit in the grooves this time around.

(I believe this might be one of the George Watters photos)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-210318194208-740554.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 21, 2018, 07:52:50 PM
CSX2287 on the trailer...                  (George Watters photo)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-210318194208-7422320.jpeg)

Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 21, 2018, 07:55:32 PM
CSX2286 on the trailer....       (George Watters photo)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-210318194208-7411219.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 21, 2018, 08:04:51 PM
Here's the list of F-Series trucks with locations spotted and CA plates where visible.

1964 Ford F250 #1 pickup - light blue in Venice, diamond plate rear bumper, white steel rims with center hubcaps, white push bar; w single trailer
   CA plate “N26 598” (63-11 Princeton Dr hauling Daytona buck, 64-2-1 Riverside, 64-2-31 Riverside)
1964 Single car trailer “A” - white with white steel rims, large round taillight
   CA plate “BL 3003” (63-11 Princeton Dr hauling Daytona buck, 64-2-1 Riverside hauling csx2287 unpainted Daytona testing,
   (64-2-3/10 Venice freshly painted matching and hauling csx2287 in Viking blue metallic)

1964 Ford F250 #2 stake bed – light blue, Shelby American lettering on door in very small lettering, steel rims center hubcaps, white push bar
   CA plate? (64-2-1 Riverside hauling csx2287 unpainted on white trailer, 64-2-31 Riverside)

1965 Ford F250 #3 pickup with cap/roof rack- dark blue, ‘64-‘65 light panted bed cap with Valvoline sticker on right front, white push bar
   CA plate? (64-10 Princeton Dr with csx3002, 65-2 Riverside with GT/103 or 104)
   ’66 matching dark blue paint on bed cap, added “COBRA Powered by Ford” lettering on rear bed side
   CA plate “_55 665” or similar (65-9-9 Riverside, 66-5-8 Laguna Seca)

1965 Ford F250 #1 or #4 pickup - possibly Guardsman Blue, dark paint steel rims/center hubcaps, white push bar; w single trailer
    CA plate? (65-6-7 LAX hauling CSX2287 Daytona Coupe with race #2)
1965 Single Trailer “B”- dark paint on trailer (Guardsman Blue? lighter color on steel rims, large round taillight
    CA plate “DF 8716” (65-6-7 LAX hauling CSX2287 Daytona Coupe with race #2)
 
1965 Ford F250 #2 stake bed - possibly Guardsman Blue in 65, steel rims center hubcaps
    CA plate? (64-2-1 Riverside hauling csx2287 unpainted, 65-6-7 LAX trailer hauling CSX2286 Daytona Coupe with race #1)
1965 Single Trailer “A” - dark paint on trailer (Guardsman Blue? steel rims, large round taillight
    CA plate? might be “BL 3003” (65-6-7 LAX trailer hauling CSX2286 Daytona Coupe with race #1)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Tinface on March 21, 2018, 10:19:26 PM
How about this...
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 21, 2018, 11:29:17 PM
That looks like an interesting photo. It does look like LAX, but I'm not sure from that blurry photo.
What's the story there? Any ID's on the cars.

Now that you've shown us that photo, I do recall seeing a double axle trailer with a GT40 MKII at LAX recently. So much for moving on to the Tractor Trailer Transporters. I'll have to dig into these two between the nor'easter clean up tomorrow.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Tinface on March 22, 2018, 01:04:33 AM
Hey FREDSTANG,

A buddy of mine posted this gt350 pulling an open trailer with a Cobra on it on my time line on face book. It must be very low on pixel count to come out as blurry as that—yea—my analysis is amazing isn’t it?

Sorry about the blur.

It was just nice to see guys really living the bigger dream than I dreamt and have thus far lived. No kidding. Gives me great pleasure to know they lived it hard and fast.

Looks like fun to me!

Tin
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 23, 2018, 11:08:28 AM
I'll get back to the double axle trailers when more info surfaces.

Let's move on to the Tractor Trailer Transporters. The first one to show up is the all red transporter. I think the cab is a Ford N650. It only sticks around for the 1963 season, then disappears. The first sighting was at Sebring unloading the no16 red Cobra. Here are two color photos. The first at Lake Garnett, the second possibly at Bridgehampton

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-230318110202-7452477.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-230318110202-7471021.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 23, 2018, 11:11:26 AM
Here's a few more at Bridgehampton in B&W and with the notes I've gathered for this transporter through the full season.

Cab #1 - ‘63 Ford N650 Super Duty, red - CA plate “6308 CC” (1963-3-23 Sebring, 63-7-6 Lake Garnett, 63-9-8 Road America, 63-9-15 Bridgehampton)
Transporter #1 - open trailer rounded side structure, red - CA plate “VH 4327” (1963-3-23 Sebring, see above)


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-230318110202-7481636.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-230318110203-7491173.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-230318110203-7501664.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 24, 2018, 01:02:39 PM
These next photos sent to me are very interesting. It’s the first appearance of both the Ford HD1000 (COE Diesel) and the new (square structure) open trailer at Nassau in November 1963. The two King Cobras are still loaded in the trailer, but the top had to be unloaded to fit inside the cargo bay. The cargo vessel is the “TMT San Juan”. With no color photos, we can only assume both cab and trailer are painted to match the team colors, light metallic blue. Curiously, there is a confederate flag license plate behind the windshield on the dashboard of the cab.


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-240318125902-751448.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-240318125902-757374.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-240318125902-758855.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 24, 2018, 01:33:32 PM
At Daytona in February 1964, the Ford HD1000 cab arrives with a new box trailer (smooth sides).
The second photo here is unloading CSX2287 for qualifying.


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-240318133142-759918.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-240318133142-7602203.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 24, 2018, 01:35:07 PM
Then in early March at Augusta (USRRC) we get a glimpse of the pair in the light blue paint, way in the background.


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-240318133143-761918.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 24, 2018, 01:36:30 PM
A better color view is found in the garage/hanger at Sebring. Now there is some visible damage to the front of the box trailer. A tarp is strapped over the top area to protect what’s inside. My guess is an impact with a low overpass as the cab does not show signs of damage. Then again why is the cab tilted forward?


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-240318133143-7621442.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-240318133143-76339.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: shlby66 on March 24, 2018, 01:52:40 PM

  In reply, #82 ... Those look like, some well prepared, Cheetas.

                          Who were the owners/drivers and Team? 
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: JD on March 24, 2018, 02:04:33 PM
A better color view is found in the garage/hanger at Sebring. Now there is some visible damage to the front of the box trailer. A tarp is strapped over the top area to protect what’s inside. My guess is an impact with a low overpass as the cab does not show signs of damage. Then again why is the cab tilted forward?


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-240318133143-7621442.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-240318133143-76339.jpeg)

to service the engine.


  In reply, #82 ... Those look like, some well prepared, Cheetahs.

                          Who were the owners/drivers and Team? 
Yes, don't see many images of them like that.  Did they finish the race?

Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: honker on March 24, 2018, 02:30:48 PM
Richstang, thanks for the photo of those two Cheetahs in post # 82 at Augusta. they are # 46 driven by Budd Clusserath & # 25 Ralph Salyer, from what I have in my files both were a DNF, couldn't find any info on who they were entered by. they were cool looking cars !  but they were super hot to drive, your feet were pretty much between the headers and engine.

Mike
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: honker on March 24, 2018, 02:46:55 PM
Still with transporters, this is a little different  ??? any one know the story behind this ? at the USRRC race at Kent, May 10th. '64. the Leslie Cobra, and the Joe Freitas Corvette in the Cobra team hauler.

(Tom Lebo pic, from the Mike Martin USRRC book)  don't know where I found the b&w photo, could be Dave Friedman ?

Mike
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: honker on March 24, 2018, 02:48:25 PM
Here's the second b&w image, to big to fit both in one post.

Mike

ps: I did some digging and  think I know the link ?  that is the Corvette from Bill Bader (later Crest) Chevrolet in Fontana. I believe Dave MacDonald (is it the same one who steered Cobras ?) drove it, or another  at one time ?
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 24, 2018, 04:12:20 PM
Still with transporters, this is a little different  ??? any one know the story behind this ? at the USRRC race at Kent, May 10th. '64. the Leslie Cobra, and the Joe Freitas Corvette in the Cobra team hauler.

(Tom Lebo pic, from the Mike Martin USRRC book)  don't know where I found the b&w photo, could be Dave Friedman ?

Mike

Nice color photo! The caption states they were hauling the Corvette to and from the track. My guess is they owed someone a favor.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 24, 2018, 04:40:21 PM
Before the May 10th Kent races and possibly after the March 21st 12 hours of Sebring race this Team photo was taken. "Gurney for President"
The photo was published in the May 67 Car and Driver issue. Does anyone know that exact DATE when the photo was taken?

I'm not 100% certain this is the same Ford HD1000 COE cab seen in the previous race photos.
This Ford cab has a white front bumper with lights mounted under it. The previous cab had a black front bumper with the same lights mounted under it.
I suspect this photo was taken in Venice so everyone could get in on the fun.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-240318162910.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: JD on March 24, 2018, 05:43:25 PM
Here's the second b&w image, to big to fit both in one post.

Mike

ps: I did some digging and  think I know the link ?  that is the Corvette from Bill Bader (later Crest) Chevrolet in Fontana. I believe Dave MacDonald (is it the same one who steered Cobras ?) drove it, or another  at one time ?

Dave MacDonald did drive Corvettes before driving Cobras.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 24, 2018, 06:34:15 PM
Also a great casual photo of Jerry Titus, don't see many of him relaxing.
With a couple left over SCG jackets.

....Cheetahs in post # 82 at Augusta. .....both were a DNF, ..
Good idea that didn't work out Titus called it the gyro when he drove one.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 427heaven on March 24, 2018, 06:52:04 PM
Before the May 10th Kent races and possibly after the March 21st 12 hours of Sebring race this Team photo was taken. "Gurney for President"
The photo was published in the May 67 Car and Driver issue. Does anyone know that exact DATE when the photo was taken?

I'm not 100% certain this is the same Ford HD1000 COE cab seen in the previous race photos.
This Ford cab has a white front bumper with lights mounted under it. The previous cab had a black front bumper with the same lights mounted under it.
I suspect this photo was taken in Venice so everyone could get in on the fun.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-240318162910.jpeg)   That right there folks is a Sh.. load of talent that only a smooth talkin chicken farmer could put together!
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 25, 2018, 09:39:37 AM
By my count there are about 50 people.

Could they all be employees in March/April of 1964?
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: FL SAAC on March 25, 2018, 10:01:20 AM
Don't recall who sent these to us
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: FL SAAC on March 25, 2018, 10:02:15 AM

Don't recall who sent these to us


Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: FL SAAC on March 25, 2018, 10:02:45 AM

 

Don't recall who sent these to us


Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: FL SAAC on March 25, 2018, 10:03:16 AM

Don't recall who sent these to us


Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: FL SAAC on March 25, 2018, 10:04:23 AM


Don't recall who sent these to us


Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: FL SAAC on March 25, 2018, 10:05:37 AM


Don't recall who sent these to us


Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 25, 2018, 10:22:10 AM
Other than the '59 Fiat Bartoletti used overseas in Europe, those ramp trucks are both just creations of what could have been, but never were.
 
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on March 25, 2018, 10:32:23 AM
Richstang, Where in the world do you get all these photos??

Whatever though, KEEP 'EM COMING. So cool to look at the past 8)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 25, 2018, 10:33:40 AM
This photo on April 26th at Riverside shows repairs have been made to the front of the box trailer.
(I just noticed the tarp on the front of the damaged trailer in the March 4th Augusta photo.)
The King Cobra is CM/1-64

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-250318102841-7641282.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 25, 2018, 10:36:40 AM
Here's the May 64 Kent photo again. (Most of these photos are from the Dave Friedman / Henry Ford Collection)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-250318102841-773761.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 25, 2018, 10:40:26 AM
Watkins Glen June 1964.. not much to see on the transporter, but nothing appear to have changed...yet.
No96 CM/3-63, behind it is No98 CSX2431, and behind that looks like No99 CSX2128

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-250318102841-7741105.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: FL SAAC on March 25, 2018, 10:41:03 AM
Other than the '59 Fiat Bartoletti used overseas in Europe, those ramp trucks are both just creations of what could have been, but never were.

thank you for the enlightening, keep them coming
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 25, 2018, 10:47:19 AM
Here's we get a glimpse of the trailer at Greenwood Roadway (Raceway?) in Iowa. This was taken July 19, 1964.

The trailer looks like it is painted in a darker blue, but all the team cars (King Cobras and Cobras are still painted lighter blue at this track.
This could be an oversaturation of color or actually painted darker blue.
The teams Cobras appear in Guardsman Blue at the next event, but the photo of the transports looks like it is lighter blue. (?????)
 

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-250318102841-775831.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 25, 2018, 10:55:48 AM
Finally we get back to the cab, the Ford HD1000 - COE Diesel.

This photo seems to clear up and question I had in the earlier Dan Gurney for President photo. We see the same front license plate shown in the February Daytona picture. And we see the white painted bumper with those under mounted lights from the Gurney for Pres. photo. So much for a two month lead time for the May 64 C&D issue.

Also we get a first glimpse of the white painted trim on the lower part of the box trailer. Only problem here is I don't know where or when this photo was taken.


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-250318102841-776348.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 26, 2018, 01:32:12 PM
Next up is Meadowdale August 9, 1964.
This photo shows the box trailer is still the lighter blue with the added white trim on the lower section. The transporter wheels are also painted white.
The team Cobra’s (csx2431 and csx2494) make their first appearance in the Guardsman blue paint with the white lemans stripes.
I don't recognize the No29 car...


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-260318132039-777236.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 26, 2018, 01:33:19 PM
Road America September 13th, 1964.
The trailers looks dark again, but I believe it is still the light metallic blue (not Guardsman Blue yet)
We get a closer view of the new team Cobras (No 98 csx2431, No97 csx2494, and what looks to be No99 csx2488)


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-260318132039-788848.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 26, 2018, 08:30:51 PM
Here's the May 64 Kent photo again. (Most of these photos are from the Dave Friedman / Henry Ford Collection)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-250318102841-773761.jpeg)
Whose Corvette in the trailer?
Googled it - Joe Freitas. Must have been a throw it in the trailer we have room. Interesting race lineup that weekend Dave McDonald won, Ken Miles in a King Cobra, Titus and Grant in Cheetahs. http://www.racingsportscars.com/driver/results/Joe-Freitas-USA.html
http://www.ultimateracinghistory.com/racelist.php?year=1964
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Side-Oilers on March 26, 2018, 10:03:42 PM
Corvette in trailer:  Kindling for the pre-race cookout and ceremonial bonfire?

I'll bet they loved the smell of burning bow-tie fiberglass around the SA pits.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 27, 2018, 01:07:46 PM
Here's the May 64 Kent photo again. (Most of these photos are from the Dave Friedman / Henry Ford Collection)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-250318102841-773761.jpeg)
Whose Corvette in the trailer?
Googled it - Joe Freitas. Must have been a throw it in the trailer we have room. Interesting race lineup that weekend Dave McDonald won, Ken Miles in a King Cobra, Titus and Grant in Cheetahs. http://www.racingsportscars.com/driver/results/Joe-Freitas-USA.html
http://www.ultimateracinghistory.com/racelist.php?year=1964

"Honker" / Mike added some points about the Corvette in post #87 and #88.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 27, 2018, 01:13:33 PM
The remaining photos from 1964 are copyrighted so I can’t post them. However no changes can be seen from what has already been shown.

For 1965 a second Ford HD1000 COE is added also painted in light blue with a CA plate “1A MFG 013”. (I’ll add a close up of the cab a bit later)
The smooth sided box trailer has been updated with darker blue paint to match the team cars. It also has added tool boxes on the right side below the trailer. Here we have a front and a rear view photo of the full rig with the above details. The front view is at Daytona for the 24 hour race in February '65. The rear view may be loading up for Daytona in Venice.


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-270318131002-789230.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-270318131002-7901298.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: gt350cs on March 27, 2018, 01:55:59 PM
Great pictures, keep them coming.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 27, 2018, 07:51:06 PM
By March 27th, 1965 at Sebring we get our first look at two Ford HD1000 COE cabs and TWO box trailers outside the paddock garage/hangers. The new box trailer is has ridged sides so it can easily be spotted compared to the smooth sided of the older trailer. While both trailers have the lower trim painted white, only the smooth sided trailer has the tool boxes mounted under the right side. Both COE cabs have the lighter blue paint while both box trailers have the darker blue team color paint. (I’m not certain if these box trailers were Guardsman Blue.)

If anyone has a larger version of this photo please let me know.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-270318180156-7911149.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 27, 2018, 07:52:20 PM
inside the hanger

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-270318180156-7952395.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-270318180156-7961696.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-270318180156-7971700.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: JD on March 27, 2018, 07:56:14 PM
inside the hanger

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-270318180156-7952395.jpeg)

Coat & tie - John Wyer ?
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 27, 2018, 10:41:09 PM
It certainly looks like John Wyer ...and he is focused on the Ford GT.?
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 27, 2018, 10:52:34 PM
I don't know if anyone cares about the details as much as I've been noting them here, but if you are following along with them...

I noticed the two Ford HD1000- COE cabs have another detail that helps tell them apart. The first cab sent to Nassau in late 1963 has a single exhaust stack.  The newer cab that appears in Sebring '65 has dual exhaust stacks. This would mean the cab at Daytona in Feb '65 is actually the older cab with the single exhaust stack (or it could be a replacement). It gets difficult to follow with all the changes.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Side-Oilers on March 27, 2018, 11:48:23 PM
Richstang: I definitely appreciate all the little details that you and the other guys on here regularly share. 
And it's always fun to see new things in an old photo.
Please continue!
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Stillakid54 on March 28, 2018, 08:29:09 AM
I don't know if anyone cares about the details as much as I've been noting them here, but if you are following along with them...
Excellent!
Wonderful to see how this aspect of the overall story has been preserved.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 28, 2018, 12:20:54 PM
Thank you for the interest in the detailed notes along with the posted photos! I'll keep on adding them.

Here we see the new Ford HD1000 COE cab parked out front of 1042 Princeton Drive with the dual exhaust stacks painted white. It has the CA plate “1A MFG 013” that I spoke of previously. Notice the address on the cab doors is 6501 W. Imperial Hwy. The photo must have been taken during the transition between both locations. My guess is this was in the May 1965.

We can also see the new ridged box trailer behind it along with a glimpse of the older Ford HD1000 COE cab (and its single exhaust stack.) The Carter Ave shop is in the background.


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-280318120809-798103.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 28, 2018, 12:30:37 PM
Here's the other side of the cab showing off the MFG plate much clearer. The boxes and trash might indicate of move underway, but...

At first I thought this photo was taken behind the Carter Ave building, but there are no garage doors in sight. Strike one!
Then I thought it might be along the side of the Carter Ave building, but there is no window at the back corner. Strike two!
That only leaves Princeton Drive, but it couldn't be the front or side. So it has to be the back, but I've never seen any photos from that location. Surely it isn't as wide a building as the picture alludes to. I'm thinking the cab is parking in the perfect spot to hide the alley way in between to two buildings. There really isn't any other explanation I can think of.

Anyone else have some thought here?


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Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 6R07mi on March 28, 2018, 01:03:24 PM
I don't know if anyone cares about the details as much as I've been noting them here, but if you are following along with them...

I noticed the two Ford HD1000- COE cabs have another detail that helps tell them apart. The first cab sent to Nassau in late 1963 has a single exhaust stack.  The newer cab that appears in Sebring '65 has dual exhaust stacks. This would mean the cab at Daytona in Feb '65 is actually the older cab with the single exhaust stack (or it could be a replacement). It gets difficult to follow with all the changes.

Rich,
 Back in 1964/65 the HD100 were usually powered by Detroit Diesel engines, the single stack may have been the 6-71 DDA inline six that would use the single 4 or 5" exhaust, the other truck may have the 8V-71 "V"8 version. Since these were natural aspirated engines without turbo charging, the V8 likely used a dual exhaust as the routing is much simpler.

regards,

jim p
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 28, 2018, 01:29:22 PM
Thanks Jim,

I found the truck name from some of the period Ford brochures online. I noticed a non diesel would have been called simply a H1000 while the diesel became the HD1000. I don't recall seeing anything about an "inline 6" or a "V8" option. Thanks for adding your notes on them and the exhausts.
 
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: papa scoops on March 28, 2018, 01:54:00 PM
Detroit diesel = twice pipes. phred
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: gt350cs on March 28, 2018, 02:24:17 PM
Thanks for all the detail information being posted here.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 28, 2018, 05:46:24 PM
Detroit diesel = twice pipes. phred

That does not seem to hold true. The photos of the first SA acquired Ford HD1000 cab show the "Diesel" emblem on the nose of the cab with a single exhaust. A good photo of both the single exhaust stack and diesel emblem can be seen in reply #108.

Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 28, 2018, 05:56:35 PM
Rich, great stuff on the trailers & tractors, and those little differences, wouldn't have noticed.

moving up a couple of years,this is my photo (was posted on the old forum)  from the '68 Trans-Am race at Tremblant (St. Jovite) not the best, was concentrating on the car, would you say they would still be using the same trailer ?

Mike

Mike,
I believe both box trailers were kept and used through 1969, although the COE cabs do change. Your posted B&W photo here in '68 appears to be the smooth side box trailer with the tool boxes mounted on the right side.

I'm going to try to stay in chronological order as I continue to post. It a work in progress thread and I'm learning along the way too. Fell free to jump in again when I get up to '68 with that other B&W photo of the trailer. Either that or I can post it in full size and give you the photo credit. (I will send a PM at the point).
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 28, 2018, 06:04:09 PM
Well I'm still very curious what anyone thinks about the lone rig photo in Venice in the above reply #124, but let's keeping moving forward.

Here we see a full length photo of the dual stack transporter and smooth side trailer at LAX. This was said to be May 2, 1965 heading to Riverside.
I'm not 100% certain on that exact date. I would think they might need to arrive a day or so earlier than the race for practice and set up.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-280318120810-8091640.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 28, 2018, 06:22:42 PM
The following weekend, May 9, 1965 the same transporter as above was at Laguna Seca.

A whole sequence of photos were pictured in the 2016 Spring issue of "The Shelby American".
That's it for 1965 season and the Box Trailers, except for the "Cobra Caravan", it up next....
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 28, 2018, 06:38:28 PM
This first photo taken at LAX actually shows an incomplete transporter. Although very close to finished in its new paint refresh, the door does not have the company name and address on it yet. Also more significant, is the lack of exhaust stacks put back on after its new paint. A color photo can be seen in the 2011 Winter issue of “The Shelby American”.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-280318182803-810815.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 28, 2018, 06:40:55 PM
Here the rear view of the trailer shows the full schedule of stops planned for the Cobra Caravan tour.
We can also see the CA license plate to confirm it is the same original smooth sided box trailer.


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-280318182803-8112498.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 28, 2018, 11:33:07 PM
After the tour was over SA continued to used the truck for various purposes. One of them was this delivery to Richard Roe for his 65 GT350 5s048. This photo taken April 28, 1966 by Richard. The registry mentions he bought the car in spring 1965 so this delivery may have been after the car was refreshed. We can see the R model front valance on it by this time.


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-280318182803-8121397.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 28, 2018, 11:37:18 PM
This next photo was clearly taken off a Television. The caption I have noted states the scene was from a show called "The FBI" I was not able to find any info about it except that it might have aired in early 1967.

Would anyone happen to know more about this episode, when it was filmed, or when it aired?

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-280318182803-8131752.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 30, 2018, 11:57:35 AM
In late September 1964 a new cab arrives in the SA fleet. It's the '65 Ford C-950 COE pictured below with the previously seen square structure open trailer attached.

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Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 30, 2018, 12:00:34 PM
We see the Ford C-950 COE cab again in Venice (along side the Carter Ave building) in February 1965 loading up for the 24 hours of Daytona.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-300318114854-823873.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-300318114854-8242258.jpeg)



We also see the rounded structure open trailer in the background along with several steel rimed '65 GT350s

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-300318114855-8251614.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 30, 2018, 12:12:52 PM
Now at LAX (in the northwest corner of the race shop/hanger) in May 1965, we see the new Ford C-950 COE cab getting ready to haul to Riverside.

CSX2558 is getting final preparation for the weekend races along with a few '65 GT350's for display (demo rides?).

EDIT: (These two are Dave Friedman photos)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-300318120851-826238.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-300318120851-827508.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Side-Oilers on March 30, 2018, 01:56:15 PM
Richstang: 
I looked through all the 1966-67 season episode info about "The F.B.I." on IMDbPro for any mention of Los Angeles Airport (and anything else possibly Shelby related that I could think of) in the synopsis, and found these two that sound promising.
 

Season 2, Episode 24: Flight Plan
Original airdate: Mar 5, 1967

A painting worth $500,000 is stolen from a Washington museum. A former U.S. government official is seriously injured trying to stop the theft. The thief flies to Los Angeles, intending to sell it to a collector the thief has done business with before. The thief, though, gets more than he bargained for when he meets a woman who falls for him. Erskine and Rhodes don't have much to work with. The FBI men begin to put pressure on the collector. Meanwhile, the thief concludes he'll need to kill the woman to ensure her silence.


Season 3, Episode 2: Counter-Stroke
Original airdate: Sep 24, 1967

An Eastern Bloc courier is shot and captured at an airport while entering the U.S. The courier had hidden tape intended for a mysterious operative known only as "Alexander." Erskine goes undercover, taking the place of the courier. He quickly discovers the situation is more complicated than he imagined. The FBI inspector is now in the middle of an espionage ring with conflicting allegiances. Alexander is loyal to Moscow, while other members now are loyal to China. On top of that, the courier Erskine is portraying was hired to kill Alexander. Colby and other FBI men can only keep track of the FBI inspector from a distance.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 30, 2018, 02:10:04 PM
Were the COEs sold to SA cheap or loaner/test trucks from Ford? Different exhaust on the HD might be accounted for if it was loaned to SA for real world testing.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 30, 2018, 03:16:58 PM
Richstang: 
I looked through all the 1966-67 season episode info about "The F.B.I." on IMDbPro for any mention of Los Angeles Airport (and anything else possibly Shelby related that I could think of) in the synopsis, and found these two that sound promising.
 

Season 2, Episode 24: Flight Plan
Original airdate: Mar 5, 1967

A painting worth $500,000 is stolen from a Washington museum. A former U.S. government official is seriously injured trying to stop the theft. The thief flies to Los Angeles, intending to sell it to a collector the thief has done business with before. The thief, though, gets more than he bargained for when he meets a woman who falls for him. Erskine and Rhodes don't have much to work with. The FBI men begin to put pressure on the collector. Meanwhile, the thief concludes he'll need to kill the woman to ensure her silence.


Season 3, Episode 2: Counter-Stroke
Original airdate: Sep 24, 1967

An Eastern Bloc courier is shot and captured at an airport while entering the U.S. The courier had hidden tape intended for a mysterious operative known only as "Alexander." Erskine goes undercover, taking the place of the courier. He quickly discovers the situation is more complicated than he imagined. The FBI inspector is now in the middle of an espionage ring with conflicting allegiances. Alexander is loyal to Moscow, while other members now are loyal to China. On top of that, the courier Erskine is portraying was hired to kill Alexander. Colby and other FBI men can only keep track of the FBI inspector from a distance.

Wow Side Oiler!

You must have put some time in this search. Both episodes look like good possibilities. I looked for video clips of either episode, but no luck.
I also checked the car IMDB. They have several Fords pictured from the series, but no Cobra Caravan.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 30, 2018, 03:23:07 PM
Were the COEs sold to SA cheap or loaner/test trucks from Ford? Different exhaust on the HD might be accounted for if it was loaned to SA for real world testing.

I don't have an answer about the trucks they had, but I doubt the were test vehicles of any kind. SA needed safe reliable transporters to get to all the various tracks around the western US (from Washington state to Arizona) They were likely given deep discounted leased or purchased vehicles. (maybe loaners)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 31, 2018, 05:56:14 PM
This next photo is likely the most popular photo when discussing transporters.

Two of the right side lights hanging below the front bumper have the lens's busted out. We also and we get a clear view of the license plate.
I can't be certain, but I thought it was said to be filled with '66 GT350 carryovers taken sometime in October 1965.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-310318174942-8372099.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 31, 2018, 05:59:49 PM
Here's the same time and location from the other side showing this rounded structure open trailer.
We also get a glimpse of the second Ford C-950 COE cab and the square structure open trailer.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-310318174942-842507.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 31, 2018, 06:06:11 PM
This photo is from the George Watters Collection (photo scan thanks to "SFM66H" aka Kieth).
We've got all kinds of good stuff to look at here.
Both open trailers, a box trailer way to the left in the background, and GT350s with lemans stripes everywhere.


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-310318174942-8432291.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on March 31, 2018, 06:07:30 PM
Here's a cropped version to show the second COE / open trailer closer up.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-310318174942-844474.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 03, 2018, 10:51:37 PM
In February 1966 another new SA transporter appears at Daytona. I'm not sure of the official name so I'm calling it a Ford C-950 COE rollback dual carrier.

While I imagine it was used often, there are only a few photos of it out there. This is the most common photo I've seen of it with the color washed out and very dark.


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-030418224624-847848.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 03, 2018, 10:55:54 PM
This nearly identical view shows the color is actually a bit brighter and the typical dark blue used on the other transporters.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-030418224624-8452173.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 03, 2018, 11:01:18 PM
Here it is again in a brighter setting that really shows of the blue paint. It sure looks like Guardsman Blue to me.

The blue Cobra was noted as CSX3018. The other was unknown.


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-030418225824.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on April 04, 2018, 12:11:53 AM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-280318182803-8112498.jpeg)
I can't believe I didn't see the Cobra Caravan back in the day. My dad took me to all those type events. When I was 6 we saw the GM Parade of Progress and a demo of the Chrysler Turbine car. I made him take me to the Chevy dealer when the 63 Vette came out.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 05, 2018, 12:47:35 PM
98SVT,
It's too bad you didn't get to see the Cobra Caravan on the tour. That would be a neat memory.


Here's the last two photos of a Ford C-950 COE cab that I could find. It has the smooth sided box trailer. There really isn't much out there from 1966.
This photo was likely taken in November 1966. It's the first GT500 #0100 getting delivered to LAX. Notice it's not a knockdown delivery, but rather a complete running '67 GTA. Not your typical delivery by any means. (large photo version thanks to Eric Johnson)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-060418154751-8501368.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-060418154751-859883.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: gt350cs on April 05, 2018, 12:56:26 PM
Great pictures!
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 1109RWHP on April 05, 2018, 07:06:07 PM
So what exactly is that drawn on the right door?
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: papa scoops on April 05, 2018, 07:12:06 PM
maybe the photo copyright stamp? phred
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 06, 2018, 03:49:55 PM
I replaced that awkward watermarked photo with another that does not have them. (It's a smaller photo, but at least it is clear)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 06, 2018, 03:54:00 PM
In February 1967 we see a glimpse of the all new Ford COE 1000 cab at LAX with the smooth sided box trailer.
Here it is getting ready to haul the MKIV J-4 to Sebring for the 12hr race.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-060418154751-86275.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 06, 2018, 03:57:07 PM
In August '67 get a glimpse of the ridged box trailer at CDR (Continental Divide Raceway). Unfortunately, we don't get to see the cab in either of these 2 photos.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-060418154751-86074.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-060418154751-861379.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: gt350cs on April 09, 2018, 10:44:54 AM
rich,

Wouldn't it be great to know the VINs of the 1967 Shelbys in this picture?

Keep the pictures coming.

Dennis 
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 09, 2018, 12:09:36 PM
rich,

Wouldn't it be great to know the VINs of the 1967 Shelbys in this picture?

Keep the pictures coming.

Dennis

Hi Dennis,
Yes, it would always be nice to know the ID's in these vintage pictures.


Here's a few more photos from 1967 to wrap up that year.
In this picture with the T/A Cougar we can see the SA transporter Ford COE 1000 cab and ridged box trailer.
I think we're still seeing the "W. Imperial Hwy" address on the door, but that will change soon.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-090418115136-8631146.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 09, 2018, 12:11:31 PM
Here's the same rig, in the pits, on the same day as the above photo at Crow's Landing Sept 10, 1967.
It looks like there a small rocket in front of the cab (maybe that's the fuel tank).

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-090418115136-8672400.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 09, 2018, 12:15:06 PM
The last photo I have on file for 1967 is this photo taken at Riverside one week later Sept 17,1967.
No cab, but we still see the ridged box trailer in use for the T/A events.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-090418115137-868637.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 66GT350 on April 09, 2018, 12:29:50 PM
Did you notice in post #158 behind the MK IV on the ClarK fork lift someone added "Jimmy" just above the "Clark" logo?
Regards,
Phil
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 09, 2018, 12:38:55 PM
Did you notice in post #158 behind the MK IV on the ClarK fork lift someone added "Jimmy" just above the "Clark" logo?
Regards,
Phil

Great catch Phil!
Nice first post and welcome (back?) to the forum.

That reminds me...SFM66H/Kieth pointed that unique detail out to me when he sent me the photo.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 6R07mi on April 09, 2018, 01:30:49 PM
In February 1967 we see a glimpse of the all new Ford COE 1000 cab at LAX with the smooth sided box trailer.
Here it is getting ready to haul the MKIV J-4 to Sebring for the 12hr race.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-060418154751-86275.jpeg)

The new design COE truck shown here and the later photos is a WT-9000 tractor.
It was part of the heavy duty product line revamp/re-design that led to the 1970 introduction of the very popular "Lousiville" ( "L" series ) truck line.

Jacques A. Nasser sold off the very successful HD truck line to Daimler Truck to go buy Volvo, Aston Martin, Jaguar etc.

we all know how well that worked !

regards
jim p
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: KR Convertible on April 09, 2018, 02:44:25 PM
Did you notice in post #158 behind the MK IV on the ClarK fork lift someone added "Jimmy" just above the "Clark" logo?
Regards,
Phil

Also says "CLARK KENT SPL" down the mast of the forklift.  Old-time graffiti artists.   ;D
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on April 09, 2018, 03:07:00 PM
Did you notice in post #158 behind the MK IV on the ClarK fork lift someone added "Jimmy" just above the "Clark" logo?
Regards,
Phil
Jimmey spelled "EY". Not too common. But enjoy seeing these super cool photos, keep 'em comin' 8)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 09, 2018, 05:22:07 PM
In February 1967 we see a glimpse of the all new Ford COE 1000 cab at LAX with the smooth sided box trailer.
Here it is getting ready to haul the MKIV J-4 to Sebring for the 12hr race.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-060418154751-86275.jpeg)

The new design COE truck shown here and the later photos is a WT-9000 tractor.
It was part of the heavy duty product line revamp/re-design that led to the 1970 introduction of the very popular "Lousiville" ( "L" series ) truck line.

Jacques A. Nasser sold off the very successful HD truck line to Daimler Truck to go buy Volvo, Aston Martin, Jaguar etc.

we all know how well that worked !

regards
jim p

Thanks for the added info Jim. Could it be a 1967 Ford WT 1000 COE?
There is an emblem on the cab door the reads "FORD 1000". I'll be posting that photo shortly from June '68.

I didn't realize Nasser sold the truck division to raise capital for the luxury car co purchases. Was that around 2000-2001?
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 09, 2018, 06:07:09 PM
Moving up to 1968...this first photo was taken at War Bonnet on May 12th.
The Ford WT COE cab still has the ridged box trailer. The No5 is the Malcolm Starr Shelby Mustang.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-090418180215-8701680.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 09, 2018, 06:14:09 PM
At Mid-Ohio June 16th 1968 we finally get a full view of the newer cab with the ridged box trailer. No more giant "Powered by FORD" logo, just a simple white  triple side stripe down the lower side of the trailer. Note the address change on the door to Torrance, CA. We also see the "FORD 1000" emblem on the cab door.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-090418180215-871733.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 09, 2018, 06:18:53 PM
another view from the right side with the two Team Shelby Mustangs. One of the last few races to see them in the light yellow.
(The kid laying on the ground really wanted to check out the chassis upgrades)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-090418180215-872938.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 10, 2018, 11:46:59 PM
Here are the two photos taken by our own SAAC forum member "Honker" / Mike.

These were from St. Jovite July 21,1968.
The smooth sided box trailer with the tool boxes is back again.
Also we see the team Shelby Mustangs painted in the same Ford blue paint as the transporter.


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-100418234309-8741385.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-100418234309-8732443.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: papa scoops on April 11, 2018, 12:50:02 AM
the latest "vintage truck" magazine has a good picture of the old Maserati, now cobra transporter. phred
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 12, 2018, 11:03:03 AM
Here are the last two photos...The first is from Michigan on May 11, 1969.
We're back to the ridged box trailer again. The cab door lettering was changed, but I cant read it.

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-100418234309-8752305.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 12, 2018, 11:08:26 AM
And finally we see the Box trailer at Lime Rock May 30th, 1969.
This mechanical is crazy for working under the car without jack stands. When hydraulic jacks fail, it's never pretty.

I have not found any later pictures for the SA transporters or SA support vehicles.
If anyone has any other photos of these "other" SA vehicles, please post them up here. I'll do the same....THANKS



(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-100418234309-8762277.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: gt350cs on April 12, 2018, 12:43:06 PM
Well looking to the right in the picture, we can see that they have the jack stands standing by just in case the hydraulic jack fails!
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Dkutz on April 12, 2018, 01:37:15 PM
are any of these still around?  Does anyone know where they went?  Has anyone made a replica??
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: tesgt350 on April 12, 2018, 01:54:06 PM
Well looking to the right in the picture, we can see that they have the jack stands standing by just in case the hydraulic jack fails!

I can't believe that someone thought the Creeper would work on that ground..........must be why it was tossed aside...... 8)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: gt350cs on April 12, 2018, 01:56:00 PM
Makes a great place to store his rags.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on April 12, 2018, 02:50:46 PM
Well looking to the right in the picture, we can see that they have the jack stands standing by just in case the hydraulic jack fails!
I raced Nascar sanctioned circle track for 10 yrs back in 80's early 90's and if the track promoter or owner EVER seen us with a car in the air w/o jack stands, he would ban us from the track for a year!!!
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 12, 2018, 03:02:41 PM
I might have jumped to a bad conclusion. Look closer at the LR photo. The jack doesn't look like it could be holding up the car. There may be jack stands in place we can't see.

tesGT350,
Good call on the creeper, I can't imagine that rolling on the rough dirt.

Dkutz,
Do you mean a toy or a real vehicle?
-A company called M2 makes a 1:64 scale diecast of the Econoline panel van in a CSSHPD (driving school) decoration and a "Powered by Ford" version.
They also have a transporter of the cab/box trailer as well as a Cab/open trailer hauling a 65 GT350.
-If you mean a real van there was a Econoline window van at SAAC 42 with the "CSSHPD / Race Assistance Program" lettering on it.
 
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on April 12, 2018, 05:13:10 PM
I found this CSSHPD van. It is so hard to find anything around here at our walmarts. We have 3 within a 50 mile radius, and we don't get hardly any M2's or Johnny Lightning or anything for that fact :-\

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/148-140418220125.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Dkutz on April 12, 2018, 11:26:23 PM
I might have jumped to a bad conclusion. Look closer at the LR photo. The jack doesn't look like it could be holding up the car. There may be jack stands in place we can't see.

tesGT350,
Good call on the creeper, I can't imagine that rolling on the rough dirt.

Dkutz,
Do you mean a toy or a real vehicle?
-A company called M2 makes a 1:64 scale diecast of the Econoline panel van in a CSSHPD (driving school) decoration and a "Powered by Ford" version.
They also have a transporter of the cab/box trailer as well as a Cab/open trailer hauling a 65 GT350.
-If you mean a real van there was a Econoline window van at SAAC 42 with the "CSSHPD / Race Assistance Program" lettering on it.

 The real vehicles.  They would be so cool to transport your cars with!
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 17, 2018, 01:09:19 PM
Just found this decent color photo of the F250 with bed cap and the CM/1-64 on the blue painted trailer.
This might be a third single trailer, by that CA license plate number. This was at Riverside Oct 11, 1964.


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170418130416.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: tesgt350 on April 17, 2018, 02:38:09 PM
I might have jumped to a bad conclusion. Look closer at the LR photo. The jack doesn't look like it could be holding up the car. There may be jack stands in place we can't see.

tesGT350,
Good call on the creeper, I can't imagine that rolling on the rough dirt.

Dkutz,
Do you mean a toy or a real vehicle?
-A company called M2 makes a 1:64 scale diecast of the Econoline panel van in a CSSHPD (driving school) decoration and a "Powered by Ford" version.
They also have a transporter of the cab/box trailer as well as a Cab/open trailer hauling a 65 GT350.
-If you mean a real van there was a Econoline window van at SAAC 42 with the "CSSHPD / Race Assistance Program" lettering on it.

Looking at how the Rear Wheel is only about 3 inches off the ground and the Front Wheel is about 10 to 12 inches off the ground, I would there is just one Jack Stand under the car and about where that guy is standing.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on April 17, 2018, 03:01:22 PM
found this photo on the web

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/148-170418145954.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 17, 2018, 10:11:13 PM
found this photo on the web

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/148-170418145954.jpeg)

I can't be sure, but I think this was taken while packing for Daytona or Sebring early 1965 in Venice while parked on Princeton Drive.
We can see a hint of the fencing under the rear left side. It a tough photo to make a good call on with nothing else visible.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on April 18, 2018, 07:23:30 AM
Speaking of Sebring 65, I have several original posters/booklets from Sebring 64, 65 also an original
COBRA nineteen sixty-four poster overall finishing order in the GT Classification.  Cool stuff. May be selling this stuff soon.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: roddster on April 18, 2018, 11:49:31 AM
 RE: reply #183:
  Wondering how accurate the Econoline could be as I've never seen a CS van with a black painted lower section.  If I saw one though, I'd still likely buy this.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 18, 2018, 01:10:43 PM
RE: reply #183:
  Wondering how accurate the Econoline could be as I've never seen a CS van with a black painted lower section.  If I saw one though, I'd still likely buy this.

That photo is not an accurate replica. Die-cast companies typically sell alternate color "Variations" to help offset the cost of tooling.
This M2 company does make a correct painted version in the lighter blue two-tone for the CSSHPD van and a second version with the Powered by Ford logo.
Here's a link to some photos; https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=m2+shelby+van&FORM=HDRSC2
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on April 18, 2018, 01:12:34 PM
I might have jumped to a bad conclusion. Look closer at the LR photo. The jack doesn't look like it could be holding up the car. There may be jack stands in place we can't see.

tesGT350,
Good call on the creeper, I can't imagine that rolling on the rough dirt.

Dkutz,
Do you mean a toy or a real vehicle?
-A company called M2 makes a 1:64 scale diecast of the Econoline panel van in a CSSHPD (driving school) decoration and a "Powered by Ford" version.
They also have a transporter of the cab/box trailer as well as a Cab/open trailer hauling a 65 GT350.
-If you mean a real van there was a Econoline window van at SAAC 42 with the "CSSHPD / Race Assistance Program" lettering on it.

 The real vehicles.  They would be so cool to transport your cars with!

Did you see the photos of the real window van at INDY / SAAC 42?
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: honker on May 15, 2018, 08:08:18 PM
Rich, here's a shot of the Shelby/Wallis turbine unloading at Indy '68. you can see some of the transporter here.

Mike

http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/426-150518200149.jpeg
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: honker on May 16, 2018, 05:23:37 PM
Rich, here's another one, this is at Laguna Seca for the Can-Am race in '68. I'm not sure if Shelby had a entry in this race ? or if this a support truck, didn't Shelby have a race tire business ?

sorry 'bout that Chevy guy on the left, Dick Guldstrand   ;)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/426-160518173242.jpeg)   (Dean Lester photo)

Mike

about the size I fiddled around and that's what came up, at least I'm able to get a pic on the forum   ::)


Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on May 16, 2018, 06:18:03 PM
didn't Shelby have a race tire business ?
That's what kept him alive. All his other businesses had ups downs and went bust on many occasions. The tire biz was steady and kept food on the table. When CS got the Goodyear franchise he was renting space at Dean Moons. Moon was the Firestone dealer. Firestone & Goodyear didn't like that arrangement and made CS move out.
Update: Saturday we were on our way to NorCal and passed a truck, van and trailer. They were the support vehicles for Goodyear Airship Operations. The Goodyear blimp is based by CS's warehouse on land he is said to own with Goodyear making lease payments to him. Heard it in the 80s while at CS's. Anybody know if it's true? I'd suspect the opposite that CS was leasing the warehouse from Goodyear.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on May 19, 2018, 12:28:06 PM
Rich, here's a shot of the Shelby/Wallis turbine unloading at Indy '68. you can see some of the transporter here.

Mike

http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/426-150518200149.jpeg

Nice find Mike...we can see the three side stripes on the box trailer.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on May 19, 2018, 12:32:49 PM
Rich, here's another one, this is at Laguna Seca for the Can-Am race in '68. I'm not sure if Shelby had a entry in this race ? or if this a support truck, didn't Shelby have a race tire business ?

sorry 'bout that Chevy guy on the left, Dick Guldstrand   ;)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/426-160518173242.jpeg)   (Dean Lester photo)

Mike

about the size I fiddled around and that's what came up, at least I'm able to get a pic on the forum   ::)

Another interesting later photo Honker. What the address on the cab door?

(If you add " =width 999" after the text "image " in the BB code, it should allow the photo to fill the screen without the annoying scrolling bar.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: honker on May 19, 2018, 09:54:56 PM
Rich, here's a tighter image of the address on the truck.

Mike

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/426-190518215314.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on May 21, 2018, 09:42:46 PM
Thanks Mike,

Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on July 01, 2018, 12:42:19 PM
Don't know if this one has been posted, but cool 8)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/148-010718124154.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on July 01, 2018, 07:45:58 PM
Don't know if this one has been posted, but cool 8)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/148-010718124154.jpeg)

Still a cool photo...larger version on page 12. I don't know if anyone ever figured out what the silver car's CSX number was.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 68stangcjfb on July 19, 2018, 08:04:24 PM
Were there any 64 or 65 Falcon Sedan Delivery Shelby support vehicles? I know there was a 63.  I have a 65 and I was thinking of doing it up like that 63. White with the blue stripes.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on July 20, 2018, 09:15:25 AM
Were there any 64 or 65 Falcon Sedan Delivery Shelby support vehicles? I know there was a 63.  I have a 65 and I was thinking of doing it up like that 63. White with the blue stripes.

Only the '63 Falcon sedan delivery was used that I'm aware of. The school switched to the Econoline van shortly afterwards.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 68stangcjfb on July 22, 2018, 05:57:40 PM
Oh well. I might have to build a one of none 65!😉
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: honker on October 28, 2018, 10:24:52 PM
Quiet here for a while, here's a pic of one of the Shelby Toyota 2000GTs, you can see the hauler in the background. My files say this is Mid-Ohio 1968.
Rich hope this isn't out of  sequence, you had some order to your posts.

(date corrected to '68  ::)  thanks Rich !
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on October 29, 2018, 08:56:48 PM
Nice find Mike, definitely the Shelby trailer with those stripes.
 8)

I might have to look up the Mid-Ohio '67 events to see what other Shelby Team cars were there.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on October 29, 2018, 11:34:57 PM
Did some hunting.
The photo of the Shelby Toyota in race trim was most likely taken in 1968 (not 1967). Toyota only raced the team cars in 1968 in the US. The Mid-Ohio SCCA event was September 7th-8th 1968. I did not find any race results for any of the weekend races in any class.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: honker on October 30, 2018, 10:02:52 PM
Rich, thanks again for correcting me on the date for the 2000 GT at Mid-Ohio, her's another pic I have, only shows the ramps from the transporter, but what is that red car lurking in the far left of the photo ? could it be a Cobra ?

Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on October 30, 2018, 10:28:03 PM
Rich, thanks again for correcting me on the date for the 2000 GT at Mid-Ohio, her's another pic I have, only shows the ramps from the transporter, but what is that red car lurking in the far left of the photo ? could it be a Cobra ?

Nice!! a second photo from the opposite side too!

Yes, it sure looks like a red Cobra.
Kranky's race results show csx3028 with Jack Hurt was there. I don't know if was painted red by 9/68. I have photos of it in white 11/66.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: honker on November 26, 2018, 08:13:15 PM
Rich is this Riverside ?
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on November 26, 2018, 09:08:10 PM
Great question! Riverside is a good guess as it does look like California. To bad there are no hints that help to tell us where exactly it might be.

I was just discussing this new / vintage photo estimated to be taken in 1964 between very late July and December.
The white painted wheels, white lower trim on the trailer, along with the lighter blue paint help place it then.

Notice the doors on this left side trailer only open at the top to access to the top level. Doors on the right side only access the bottom level. 
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Side-Oilers on November 26, 2018, 09:27:50 PM
I agree that it could be RIR.  The trees are similar to the eucalyptus that used to line the side roads. The foothill in the background looks similar too.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: gt350hr on November 27, 2018, 10:22:30 AM
    The grouping of trees is different than any area of Riverside. My guess is Dodger Stadium or "possibly" Santa Barbara. Both were active in the "white wheel" time frame.
     Randy
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Side-Oilers on November 27, 2018, 11:57:10 AM
Randy, of those two, I'd guess Santa Barbara. Trees are correct, hills look to be too. 

I first thought RIR because of the trees, and similarity of the hills, but it would have to be at a far out part of the facility for those trees...not near the road course itself.

Also: Very rarely was the sky at RIR that clear and blue...it was mostly smoggy!
Van
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: honker on November 27, 2018, 12:38:41 PM
Here's a pic that shows more of the background in the Cobra hauler I posted, maybe that will help with the location ? same building in the rear.

Sorry about the other guys car (Chaparral-Chevy) and hauler spoiling the view  ::)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Side-Oilers on November 27, 2018, 01:02:20 PM
Thanks for that pix. It's RIR.  The hills give it away.

Must be off Pigeon Pass Road, which was kind of a back way into the track. The main way in from Highway 60 was Day Street (and the big RIR sign would be visible in the pix.) 

You could also get in from Hwy 395, but that wouldn't have given this same viewpoint, IMO.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on November 27, 2018, 03:20:25 PM
Side-Oilers,
Thanks for confirming the location as Riverside. That is very helpful!

Honker,
Thanks for the follow up photo Mike.
Assuming the #66 Chaparral was there on the same day as the SAI transporter it might very well be the October 10th-11th weekend in 1964.
The 3hr Enduro & Riverside Grand Prix both took place that weekend (thanks to Kranky for that event date list).
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: gt350hr on November 27, 2018, 05:17:33 PM
  OK now I see where it was taken. There was a building ( more like a small home) to the left of the entrance where there was enough room for a semi to park. Back then it was used for registration. It was literally the only place on the track property where trees were except beyond turn 9. The additional picture , I now believe, does show Day street as it headed toward the freeway. The Riverside sign was behind turn 6 which I do not see in the photo. The rest of the track was barren for viewing and safety reasons Semis normally parked in the pit area in the center of the track at the start finish line.
   The cluster of trees really threw me for a loop.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Side-Oilers on November 27, 2018, 10:36:34 PM
Randy,
I believe you're correct on that being Day Street in the background. I had the order of my RIR streets jumbled. Pigeon Pass was one more road further east than Day. 

Pigeon Pass was also a back way out of the track, but wasn't used for ingress, IIHC.

Yes, the RIR sign was in back of Turn 6. 

Speaking of the sign:  After the track was sold, but before it was completely bulldozed into the shopping mall, I snagged two pieces of the RIR sign's orange geometric shapes that formed the tail of the arrows.  (My avatar shows them.) But where they are today is anybody's guess.  Lost in some house move I made, over the years.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: gt350hr on November 28, 2018, 11:24:33 AM
   The tower on the back straight ( used for the drag racing) is now at the Pomona race track ( and has been for many years) . I have allot of memorabilia from the track . Tickets , Nascar garage passes , a Winston cup banner from the last Nascar race there. Too much to keep , may hit the auction block soon.
   Randy
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 6R07mi on March 18, 2019, 10:49:49 PM
Cab #1 - ‘63 Ford N650 Super Duty, red - CA plate “6308 CD” (1963-3-23 Sebring, 63-7-6 Lake Garnett, 63-9-8 Road America, 63-9-15 Bridgehampton)

Louis Galanos photo : https://flic.kr/p/9yYEYx

regards,

jim p
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 18, 2019, 11:01:11 PM
   The tower on the back straight ( used for the drag racing) is now at the Pomona race track ( and has been for many years) . I have allot of memorabilia from the track . Tickets , Nascar garage passes , a Winston cup banner from the last Nascar race there. Too much to keep , may hit the auction block soon.
   Randy
A fireman friend was stationed at the Fairgrounds. He had a horse ranch where his wife taught jumping. The old Pomona tower became their judges stand.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Szabo on June 24, 2019, 09:38:02 AM
Here's the other side of the cab showing off the MFG plate much clearer. The boxes and trash might indicate of move underway, but...

At first I thought this photo was taken behind the Carter Ave building, but there are no garage doors in sight. Strike one!
Then I thought it might be along the side of the Carter Ave building, but there is no window at the back corner. Strike two!
That only leaves Princeton Drive, but it couldn't be the front or side. So it has to be the back, but I've never seen any photos from that location. Surely it isn't as wide a building as the picture alludes to. I'm thinking the cab is parking in the perfect spot to hide the alley way in between to two buildings. There really isn't any other explanation I can think of.

Anyone else have some thought here?


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-280318120810-8082493.jpeg)

Hello

I dont now if your Question is be answered.... but you right with Princeton Drive backside

I later will Male a own Princeton Drive Building Thread like i Don with Carter Building and then i van Proof that

Greets Steve
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 557 on June 24, 2019, 12:36:40 PM
Here's the other side of the cab showing off the MFG plate much clearer. The boxes and trash might indicate of move underway, but...

At first I thought this photo was taken behind the Carter Ave building, but there are no garage doors in sight. Strike one!
Then I thought it might be along the side of the Carter Ave building, but there is no window at the back corner. Strike two!
That only leaves Princeton Drive, but it couldn't be the front or side. So it has to be the back, but I've never seen any photos from that location. Surely it isn't as wide a building as the picture alludes to. I'm thinking the cab is parking in the perfect spot to hide the alley way in between to two buildings. There really isn't any other explanation I can think of.

Anyone else have some thought here?


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-280318120810-8082493.jpeg)

Hello

I dont now if your Question is be answered.... but you right with Princeton Drive backside

I later will Male a own Princeton Drive Building Thread like i Don with Carter Building and then i van Proof that

Greets Steve
.   Huh???
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on June 24, 2019, 02:28:32 PM
Here's the other side of the cab showing off the MFG plate much clearer. The boxes and trash might indicate of move underway, but...

At first I thought this photo was taken behind the Carter Ave building, but there are no garage doors in sight. Strike one!
Then I thought it might be along the side of the Carter Ave building, but there is no window at the back corner. Strike two!
That only leaves Princeton Drive, but it couldn't be the front or side. So it has to be the back, but I've never seen any photos from that location. Surely it isn't as wide a building as the picture alludes to. I'm thinking the cab is parking in the perfect spot to hide the alley way in between to two buildings. There really isn't any other explanation I can think of.

Anyone else have some thought here?


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-280318120810-8082493.jpeg)

Hello

I dont now if your Question is be answered.... but you right with Princeton Drive backside

I later will Male a own Princeton Drive Building Thread like i Don with Carter Building and then i van Proof that

Greets Steve
.   Huh???

I thought Steve's reply was clear enough to understand, incase not, I understood it as;

"I don't know if your question was answered, but you're right with the Princeton Drive backside (photo possibly in the back of the Princeton building)"
"Later I will make a Princeton Drive building thread like I did with the Carter Avenue Building. Then Van 'Side Oilers' can proof (review) that (since he was in there)."

I'd bet Steve's English is better than most of our German. I'm following him just fine.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Szabo on June 24, 2019, 03:35:09 PM
Sorry for that *LOL*
i really dont have a drink or a beer at this time ...

i just answered about Mobile phone and with German automatic language spelling correction
it comes to that struggle ...

But Richstang ist right, i can proof it by myself with some pics
but Side-Oilers own pics would be much more important and clearlier.

By my search for the Building i saw some pics with vehicels too, so i will post them here
but i am not sure if they bringing this thread forward.

First a pic from Carter Building with the Red Shelby Truck Nr. 1
for me at this moment my favourite one, would love too see some more pics
or even had it in 1.64 Modelcar Scale (Like Company M2 is doing ist with some other Vehicels)

(https://abload.de/img/33qbj2t.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=33qbj2t.jpg)

On the other Pics (you have already post it, i find a third one from the other side)
you see this Shelby Fruck F250 with the Shelby Enterprise Logo

(https://abload.de/img/f2d0ef995c6be5a8ddacfc9j24.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=f2d0ef995c6be5a8ddacfc9j24.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/d6b7a764416f100b3bb8apqj8j.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=d6b7a764416f100b3bb8apqj8j.jpg)

and this one is for sure not a real car, and it seems to be pure fantasy...
but i found it were well done and it have al the right Shelby Logos on it.

(https://abload.de/img/b2c61225751f7ba359d760vjnm.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=b2c61225751f7ba359d760vjnm.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on June 24, 2019, 06:28:56 PM
Sorry for that *LOL*
i really dont have a drink or a beer at this time ...

First a pic from Carter Building with the Red Shelby Truck Nr. 1
for me at this moment my favourite one, would love too see some more pics
or even had it in 1.64 Modelcar Scale (Like Company M2 is doing ist with some other Vehicels)

(https://abload.de/img/33qbj2t.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=33qbj2t.jpg)



Great addition of the CSX 2409 factory photo! Graham Shaw traded in CSX2129 for this new Cobra.
I missed posting it to this thread, but should have noticed that Red cab in the background.
 8)

I estimate it was taken sometime in Mid June 1964. Also, it is the only photo I've seen of this Red N650 Super Duty cab in 1964.


Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on June 24, 2019, 08:39:31 PM
Is it for sale??  The Shelby mini hauler??

I collect any and all Shelby/Mustang miniatures thats unique.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Szabo on June 24, 2019, 09:19:28 PM
Is it for sale??  The Shelby mini hauler??

I collect any and all Shelby/Mustang miniatures thats unique.

its not from me, i just found it on flickr oder pinterest ....
i collect as well some Shelby Modelcars...
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on June 24, 2019, 09:23:11 PM
Sounds good,
Thanks Szabo 8)

Actually looks to have been privately built, not a kit.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on June 24, 2019, 10:49:09 PM
Check out this realistic Ford Cobra hauler miniature.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on June 24, 2019, 11:18:02 PM
Check out this realistic Ford Cobra hauler miniature.

That's pretty cool...what scale is it an who made it?
 8)


I still have to start a thread on the European Transporter. It won't be as big as the US version, but I'll include both Shelby and Ford from the era.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Szabo on June 26, 2019, 07:43:51 AM
Next are the F-Series pickups.

I’m going to take a step back to the white CS Enterprise INC F250. There appear to be more than one truck used. A second white pickup with a Goodyear logo appears at Laguna Seca in 1963. It was parked on the other side of the King Cobra pictures in reply #11. Another photo shows both trucks parked side by side in the pits. I guess the mismatched bed was sold that way from Ford in ‘63.


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-190318151201-7171869.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-190318151201-72064.jpeg)

Maybe i had some more photos for F250...

(https://abload.de/img/unbenannt1010oukho.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=unbenannt1010oukho.png)

(https://abload.de/img/unbenannt11115xk6u.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=unbenannt11115xk6u.png)

Even the text are very interessting,
am i right that they shortly after after (1964) they had the big red Hauler, Nr. 1

on the pic befor we already see Hauler and F250 together ...
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on June 26, 2019, 10:34:01 AM
Those are very cool COLOR photos of the pickups and single car trailers hauling CSX2128 and 2129 to Kent, WA July 20-21 1963.
The captions are especially helpful in telling us three (3) pick-ups and trailers hauled the team Cobra's to the event. The third hauler and Cobra not shown is CSX2127.

I believe these pick-ups were used as haulers only for the all local (west coast) races. The red N650 Super Duty Tractor Trailer was used for the long hauls to places like Sebring. We first see it in February '63 at Sebring, FL and again in early July '63 at Lake Garnett, KS.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on June 26, 2019, 08:04:26 PM
Check out this realistic Ford Cobra hauler miniature.

That's pretty cool...what scale is it an who made it?
 8)


I still have to start a thread on the European Transporter. It won't be as big as the US version, but I'll include both Shelby and Ford from the era.
Rich, There's a previous post made earlier by Szabo and he mentioned seeing that white Shelby hauler miniature scale on Pinterest, so i went there to look for Shelby haulers and found this one. I couldn't find no info on it :-\
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on June 26, 2019, 08:35:00 PM
found it.
Exoto 1:43 scale, about $450...and that's without the cars!!!

https://picclick.com/Exoto-43-1965-Shelby-American-Cobra-Transporter-253996424794.html
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on June 26, 2019, 09:20:49 PM
Wow  :o

Now that replication is totally awesome. Needs to get a couple figurines in their positions to be complete ;D

Man, I may have to find me one but see if I can get a cheaper price ;D

Thanks Rich,

Rich
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Szabo on June 27, 2019, 01:50:28 AM
Maybe a little bit offtopic ... but there is the same Trailer from Norev in in 1.18 Size, cost around 300 Euros in Germany...

but Exoto in 1.43 is totaly overprized for that sized, that´s too much, no matter if you are rich or just a Guy who stands
on the floor.

I own around 100 Mustang and Shelby Modelcars in 1.18, even the same 100 on BMW and 50 or so from other Brands,
and even some in 1.64 Scale too (theres much better to collect all Forms)
but there is no sense to put over 200 Euros on just one Piece.

I for myself looking for these M2 Haulers from Shelby, but only found in Amerika for around 30 Dollar with Shipping around the same,
too much for me, so i sitting here and waiting, in over 20 Years collecting i can say it clearly:

When you are long enough waiting for something you can find everything you want

But pack to this thread:

From the F100 i found sadly nor more Infos, only this one Pic...

From Exoto are several Trailers and Hauler on the Market

From Exoto they are still some haulers on the Market, maybe a good chance too take some
extra pics for a thread, because they Made in right shape with right details...

Should i looking for some pics to Haulers or so ?

Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: honker on June 27, 2019, 04:06:00 PM
It was suggested that there be a separate  thread for Shelby & Ford models, I seem to recall one on the old site ?

Before we get too far off topic, this is pretty cool! here's one I found, Ford P/U & Cooper-Ford. It mentioned that the truck was modified ERTL, Monogram did a Cooper-Ford kit in 1/32, perhaps that is the scale of this outfit ?

Mike
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on June 30, 2019, 03:53:19 PM
Have we seen this Cobra hauler yet with GT40? Tractor may be the one at page 15 reply#223?

It looks like what seems to be "Laundry drying out" on the front bumper of the tractor! ;D

Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on June 30, 2019, 05:05:47 PM
page 8 reply #116...a slight larger photo posted.

HA! Yea that does look like someone's laundry drying out on the cab bumper.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: honker on July 03, 2019, 12:04:52 PM
Rich, here's one from the I believe the '69 Bridgehampton Trans-Am. The old man is having a think, and that could be Revson or Kwech ?

The storage lockers are open, and there's a third car inside.

Mike
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on July 03, 2019, 12:47:55 PM
Nice find ... in color too. Thanks for posting

CS in a suit and his Stetson...
I'm guessing that is Kwech. He DNF'd according to my notes.
The sign on the door is laughable. I doubt that worked very well.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Side-Oilers on July 03, 2019, 01:13:36 PM
Interesting that the station wagon is a Mercury.  Wonder if it was a rental (and no Fords were available) given the internal rivalry between the Ford and Mercury divisions.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on July 03, 2019, 01:19:56 PM
Rich, here's one from the I believe the '69 Bridgehampton Trans-Am. The old man is having a think, and that could be Revson or Kwech ?

The storage lockers are open, and there's a third car inside.

Mike
CS sitting there immediately reminded of him sitting on the wall talking to KM on the box front of this Revell model in my collection 😎
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Szabo on August 06, 2019, 06:32:05 PM
Just because i liked colour pics i would like to ad this one from the first GT350 Race on 14.02.1965 Green Valley
in Backround we see this F250 with that roof reck thing

Unfortanally the Bus in the backround is not the same as seen on this Carter Ave. one

(https://abload.de/img/screenshot_2019-08-079skcc.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=screenshot_2019-08-079skcc.jpg)

and just for some fun i want to add this pics also ...

on another Thread (Carroll Selby Pics) wee some Caravans on the Backround...

(https://abload.de/img/1965lemans24hi6jo2.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1965lemans24hi6jo2.jpg)

on my magazin research i found this pic in Road and Track September 1965 Issue Le Mans Story

(https://abload.de/img/rt_65-09_012sjj7z.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=rt_65-09_012sjj7z.jpg)

looks like this old pics from some wild west pionierwagons standing together to fight some
attack from outside ... (in this case from Ferrari)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 69mach351w on August 06, 2019, 07:29:57 PM
Wonder why the rear bumper was left on the R model?  Usually bumpers are taken off for weight reduction.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: CharlesTurner on August 06, 2019, 09:39:05 PM
Wonder why the rear bumper was left on the R model?  Usually bumpers are taken off for weight reduction.

002 was probably the only one like that.  All the later R models were delivered w/out rear bumpers.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: gt350hr on August 07, 2019, 01:08:23 PM
Rich, here's one from the I believe the '69 Bridgehampton Trans-Am. The old man is having a think, and that could be Revson or Kwech ?

The storage lockers are open, and there's a third car inside.

Mike

  Mike ,
  That's Don Araki , CS and Revson rip all pictured.  the Merc wagon was probaly a rental.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Szabo on August 07, 2019, 03:48:18 PM
Found this on Instagramm, no more infos on the pic..

but fur sure it is Shelby Hauler Nr. 1


(https://abload.de/img/66680177_136226865059glj4p.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=66680177_136226865059glj4p.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on August 07, 2019, 04:51:46 PM
Nice find Steve...I need to correct this 1963 cab license plate to '6308 CC' on the list early in this thread.
I have no idea where that was taken.


I like the small, yet nice overhead photo of the pioneer days wagon caravan at Le Mans, from a few posts up.

Great photo of 5R002 with the Ford F-series pickup. It was taken at GVR (Green Valley Raceway) in Texas at the debut race Feb 2nd 1965!

Thanks for sharing these.
 8)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: honker on July 15, 2020, 10:17:02 AM
Let's wake this one up  ;)

Cobra hauler, September '64 Elkhart Lake "Road America"

Mike

(photo: Robert Petitt)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 557 on July 15, 2020, 10:44:03 AM
Let's wake this one up  ;)

Cobra hauler, September '64 Elkhart Lake "Road America"

Mike
.   “Laid back"............... 8)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: FL SAAC on July 15, 2020, 12:35:25 PM
Outstanding  !

Let's wake this one up  ;)

Cobra hauler, September '64 Elkhart Lake "Road America"

Mike

(photo: Robert Petitt)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Szabo on September 08, 2020, 05:50:39 PM
Here it is at Riverside with the mobile school trailer. We can see the school's Econoline van in the background.
Anyone have a photo of the license plate of the school trailer?

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318174151-672244.jpeg)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-170318174151-673548.jpeg)

Hello Rich,

after a long time i was not activ i was research similar new sources and found this Pic with the License plate,
dont know if the Question is asked bevor, but still a cool pic anyway.

Stephan from Germany

(https://abload.de/img/thf14194097kwe.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=thf14194097kwe.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; USA Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Szabo on September 08, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
(https://abload.de/img/19650127shelbygt350vo01kw6.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=19650127shelbygt350vo01kw6.jpg)

in my other thread and here also we struggle about the red front stripe that are different from pics

here i found another pic from the bus showing the front stripe and a little round emblem,
maybe a Cobra Emblem or so ...

(https://abload.de/img/asdf28akbn.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=asdf28akbn.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on September 09, 2020, 12:34:45 PM
Here it is at Riverside with the mobile school trailer. We can see the school's Econoline van in the background.
Anyone have a photo of the license plate of the school trailer?

Hello Rich,

after a long time i was not activ i was research similar new sources and found this Pic with the License plate,
dont know if the Question is asked bevor, but still a cool pic anyway.

Stephan from Germany

(https://abload.de/img/thf14194097kwe.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=thf14194097kwe.jpg)

Hi Stephan,
Did you mean "I don't know if the question has been answered before"?   If so, then NO, the question was not answered.

Thanks for helping to find another piece of the history puzzle with this photo from the back of the CSSHPD trailer!
We can see the license plate digits clearly in that photo.
Title: Re: Shelby American; USA Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on September 09, 2020, 12:38:52 PM

in my other thread and here also we struggle about the red front stripe that are different from pics

here i found another pic from the bus showing the front stripe and a little round emblem,
maybe a Cobra Emblem or so ...

(https://abload.de/img/asdf28akbn.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=asdf28akbn.jpg)

Yep, that sure looks like a Cobra emblem that the red painted stripe drops down and around.
Another nice photo from the Petersen Archives...THANKS for sharing.
Title: Re: Shelby American; USA Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Richstang on September 09, 2020, 12:47:06 PM
One more of the Econoline CSSHPD van. This one is sneaking into the photo (likely before it was cropped out of any published version).

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-090920124447.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American; USA Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Szabo on September 10, 2020, 01:06:59 PM
i am always glad and lucky to share some proofed information and help in this
epic Thread from you.

thanks for understanding my bad english also :-D

Greets

Stephan
Title: Re: Shelby American; USA Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: honker on October 24, 2020, 03:15:39 PM
Here's one I just found of the Shelby School van, new to me, don't know if it's been seen here before ? notice the name on the door

Mike

(photo: Kevin Leslie)
Title: Re: Shelby American; USA Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Szabo on October 24, 2020, 04:30:20 PM
Wow

Great pic,  i love the little van,

The Name is JOHN TIMANUS
He rans the Driving School for a while

Where you find it ?
Title: Re: Shelby American; USA Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: csxsfm on October 24, 2020, 04:39:36 PM
The name on van is John Timanus. He taught and raced Cobras for Shelby.  Later became chief tech inspector for the SCCA.
Title: Re: Shelby American; USA Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: 67 GT350 on October 24, 2020, 05:39:50 PM
Neet to see the other Fords, like the 63 Thunderbird. Wouldn't have been cool for Shelby to hop up and build "special T-Birds" also?
Title: Re: Shelby American; USA Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: gt350hr on October 27, 2020, 02:08:01 PM
The name on van is John Timanus. He taught and raced Cobras for Shelby.  Later became chief tech inspector for the SCCA.

+1 Good driver too.
Title: Re: Shelby American; Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: amatellini on November 16, 2021, 03:56:54 PM
re the Falcon(s).  I interviewed Don Pike for The Shelby American.   And I also interviewed Wally Peat for the same magazine.   The Falcon Don bought(for $1) was the white Falcon originally built by Holman Moody and was confirmed to run at Daytona in I believe in '64 (at the same time H/M ran the white 427 powered Fairlane).  After the Daytona event the white Falcon went back to Charlotte and drivetrain was removed.  After the '65 Daytona event, the Shelby transporter had a spot and this car was picked up and taken to Venice and prepared by Don and his brother for West Coast sedan events--it was painted a dark shade of blue--a Packard color, and eventually white again with red accents.......the car still exists in a collection in Peru.

The Guardsman Blue Falcon, seen in the photo above, was indeed the prototype IRS car.  Wally Peat was the crew chief on this car--although, depending upon who you speak with, others have claimed that title as well.  Ford built, Shelby modified.  Tested by Miles, Ginther and Lew Spencer.  Proof on concept and the parts were transferred to a Mustang in late '64 or early '65.  The disposition of this car is unknown...possibly sent back to H/M as a Ford asset and lost to history.............

...I'd be happy to hear other points of view and history
The Guardsman Blue Falcon is still pristine and in good company (67 GT350R, 67 GT350, COBRA CSX6000 and a Cobra Daytona 50th ann.) down here in Perú, but should go to sale in a couple of weeks...
Title: Re: Shelby American; USA Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: Terry Curry on September 08, 2022, 07:43:43 PM
Caption read:
Carroll and Sue Shelby (Dave MacDonalds wife Sherry just climbing out of the passenger side) - Photo taken by David Friedman in 1963 at the Nassau Governors Cup Race in the Bahamas
Title: Re: Shelby American; USA Transporters and Service Vehicles
Post by: honker on September 08, 2022, 08:35:29 PM
Thanks for posting, not seen this image before ! Here's another, I think been seen here before ?  same rig offloading '63 Nassau.

Mike