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Title: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: 427hunter on September 02, 2020, 12:29:30 AM
Does anyone have a photo they can post of an original horn button for the wood over the counter steering wheel?
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: Kent on September 02, 2020, 03:03:41 AM
Which year? There are different versions. You want it for the 66?
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: 427hunter on September 02, 2020, 03:06:00 AM
Yes a photo of an original 66 over the counter gt350 horn button..
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: Vernon Estes on September 02, 2020, 11:06:20 AM
 Here you are...there were a couple different versions of the button with the same outer chrome surround.

Vern
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Post by: 427hunter on September 02, 2020, 11:09:26 AM
Thanks for the photo, but isn't that the catalog button? I thought the earlier button was a cobra?
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Post by: SFM6S087 on September 02, 2020, 11:17:13 AM
Here's the button on the wheel I have.

Steve
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Post by: Bob Gaines on September 02, 2020, 11:20:31 AM
Thanks for the photo, but isn't that the catalog button? I thought the earlier button was a cobra?
As Vern said in his post  "there were a couple different versions of the button with the same outer chrome surround."
. The buttons are all the same . The center artwork is different . Vern posted one and Steve posted another.
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 02, 2020, 11:26:18 AM
Thanks for the photo, but isn't that the catalog button? I thought the earlier button was a cobra?
FYI catalog or over the counter wheels were the same . The wheel and or buttons are best not defined as catalog or over the counter. Better to distinguish early and later IMO. Yes the Cobra button is typically seen earlier .
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: 427hunter on September 02, 2020, 11:30:37 AM
Here's the button on the wheel I have.

Steve


Thank you ! exactly what I was looking for!
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: JD on September 02, 2020, 11:41:35 AM
Thanks for the photo, but isn't that the catalog button? I thought the earlier button was a cobra?
As Vern said in his post  "there were a couple different versions of the button with the same outer chrome surround."
. The buttons are all the same . The center artwork is different . Vern posted one and Steve posted another.

the button was a purchased unit and as Bob stated the Marque (brand/make) ID could be changed out making it useable for others.  My buddy has a '59 Abarth (think Shelby version of a Fiat) it used the same button assembly in it's very different steering wheel.
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: shelbydoug on September 02, 2020, 11:45:49 AM
I think the same wheel is in the Lamborghini Miura?

Isn't this '66 "over the counter" horn button the same as a '67? The medallions are jost foil "decals" and there are several different varieties of those but the chrome housing and plastic center button looks the same to me from here?
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: 427hunter on September 02, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
Thanks for the photo, but isn't that the catalog button? I thought the earlier button was a cobra?
FYI catalog or over the counter wheels were the same . The wheel and or buttons are best not defined as catalog or over the counter. Better to distinguish early and later IMO. Yes the Cobra button is typically seen earlier .


Bob, I had an original 66 gt350 owner tell me that when he bought his over the counter wheel in July of 66 it came with the 67 style horn button, does that sound right to you?
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: JD on September 02, 2020, 11:53:05 AM
I think the same wheel is in the Lamborghini Miura?

Isn't this '66 "over the counter" horn button the same as a '67? The medallions are jost foil "decals" and there are several different varieties of those but the chrome housing and plastic center button looks the same to me from here?

Yes
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: shelbydoug on September 02, 2020, 11:54:35 AM
I think the same wheel is in the Lamborghini Miura?

Isn't this '66 "over the counter" horn button the same as a '67? The medallions are jost foil "decals" and there are several different varieties of those but the chrome housing and plastic center button looks the same to me from here?

Yes

I figured it would be another "67 guy" to recognize that? ;D
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 02, 2020, 12:17:44 PM
Thanks for the photo, but isn't that the catalog button? I thought the earlier button was a cobra?
FYI catalog or over the counter wheels were the same . The wheel and or buttons are best not defined as catalog or over the counter. Better to distinguish early and later IMO. Yes the Cobra button is typically seen earlier .


Bob, I had an original 66 gt350 owner tell me that when he bought his over the counter wheel in July of 66 it came with the 67 style horn button, does that sound right to you?
I could see it happening because the buttons fit the same . The 66 over the counter wheels didn't typically come with a 67 emblem inside the button. It may be a case of someone wanted the Cobra button on their 67 or the 67 Button on their 66 wheel and it got swapped. Regardless I think it was a case of one getting switched after the fact at SA ,the dealership,or past owner. Of course with a 67 emblem in the  button means that at the earliest the wheel was purchased sometime after 67 Shelby production started given the availability of the emblem . It would interesting to know which of 3 67 buttons it was given that can help better date when it happened. GT350,GT500 or no designation. Branda has been selling the foil emblem for the 67 buttons for over 30 years so it could have been switched during that time framw as well.   
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: JD on September 02, 2020, 12:35:22 PM
I could see it happening because the buttons fit the same . The 66 over the counter wheels didn't typically come with a 67 emblem inside the button. It may be a case of someone wanted the Cobra button on their 67 or the 67 Button on their 66 wheel and it got swapped. Regardless I think it was a case of one getting switched after the fact at SA ,the dealership,or past owner. Of course with a 67 emblem in the  button means that at the earliest the wheel was purchased sometime after 67 Shelby production started given the availability of the emblem . It would interesting to know which of 3 67 buttons it was given that can help better date when it happened. GT350,GT500 or no designation. Branda has been selling the foil emblem for the 67 buttons for over 30 years so it could have been switched during that time framw as well.   

Two of the 3 styles Bob mentions, the GT500 looks like the GT350.  The "no model designation" generic was, to my understanding, for the over-the-counter wheels or replacements.

Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: JD on September 02, 2020, 12:48:17 PM
Also, there was another version of over-the-counter wood steering wheel that was sold (earlier?)  As per Vern's post below - later, note the different horn outer metal ring, different contour and brushed finish
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Post by: Vernon Estes on September 02, 2020, 12:50:19 PM
Thanks for the photo, but isn't that the catalog button? I thought the earlier button was a cobra?

Technically they are all "catalog" buttons/steering wheels in general. As for which one came first, I actually was under the impression that the  "CS" version I posted predated the "GT350 Cobra" style button center. That version sure seems to be less commonly seen today also. My understanding (and this is strictly from fuzzy memory of discussions long ago on this topic) the order went "red white and blue CS" style, "GT350 Cobra" style, then on to the "gold 67ish style" ones last. Then, of course, the rest of the steering wheels changed also.

Now, I do find that that I am generally wrong about most things...so someone please feel free to step in and tell me just how wrong I am  :P

Ill take a look through a couple of the 66/67 SAI Accessories folders to see if I can figure it out either way though. They made three different revisions which I think show the changes in the wheels.

Kind regards,
Vern
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: Vernon Estes on September 02, 2020, 12:52:01 PM
Also, there was another version of over-the-counter wood steering wheel that was sold (earlier?) note the different horn outer metal ring, different contour and brushed finish

That particular wheel is the latest version which SAI sold.

The earliest version had brushed spokes that flared out at the ends...chrome surround button. The second version had 67 style black boots on the ends of the spokes with the same chromed surround. The third and last version was the one posted which had the brushed center and straight spokes with no black boots.

Vern
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: Vernon Estes on September 02, 2020, 12:52:57 PM
Full shot of what (I believe) is the first version
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: Vernon Estes on September 02, 2020, 12:55:23 PM
Second version..this photo is of the repop which is now offered which is very good...picture from Branda's site
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: Vernon Estes on September 02, 2020, 12:56:34 PM
Third version... the foil decals get changed between wheels to however the owner likes it. I think this wheel would more typically have a 67 style foil decal but i dont know if theres really a "right" and "wrong" here with these wheels/foil decals
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Post by: gt350hr on September 02, 2020, 01:12:44 PM
Full shot of what (I believe) is the first version

   That's the center cap I have.
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Post by: Bob Gaines on September 02, 2020, 01:31:52 PM
Third version... the foil decals get changed between wheels to however the owner likes it. I think this wheel would more typically have a 67 style foil decal but i dont know if theres really a "right" and "wrong" here with these wheels/foil decals
+1.
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: 427hunter on September 02, 2020, 06:50:26 PM
The only one I have seen (that the owner claimed he bought in July of 66) was the 67 style horn button, does anyone know when the 67 wheel went into production?
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 02, 2020, 07:38:54 PM
The only one I have seen (that the owner claimed he bought in July of 66) was the 67 style horn button, does anyone know when the 67 wheel went into production?
The 67 cars were in full production by October 66. A wheel bought in July of 66 which no doubt logistically was manufactured and then stocked on a shelf much earlier in 66 would be too early to have had the gold 67 style emblem on it when sold logistically IMHO. With that said as has been mentioned it doesn't make much difference what emblem is on the over the counter wheel when used on the car as long as it is acceptable to the owner. Given it was not a regular production part it doesn't matter if the wheel was bought and added two weeks after the car was bought or two decades later from a originality stand point. The emblem and it's time frame isn't much relevant ether because of that IMO. The owners opinion on what looks best is what is most important IMO.  It is a beautiful wheel and if not in concours competition I would personally much rather have the real wood wheel over the faux wood production deluxe wheel. Again just my opinion but I think that the red white and blue Cobra horn emblem is more in keeping with the 66 Shelby motiff compared to the gold 67 style emblem which my sensibilities automatically associate with a 67 Shelby. That's just me . Others may think differently.
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: shelbydoug on September 02, 2020, 07:49:09 PM
The only one I have seen (that the owner claimed he bought in July of 66) was the 67 style horn button, does anyone know when the 67 wheel went into production?
The 67 cars were in full production by October 66. A wheel bought in July of 66 which no doubt logistically was manufactured and then stocked on a shelf much earlier in 66 would be too early to have had the gold 67 style emblem on it when sold logistically IMHO. With that said as has been mentioned it doesn't make much difference what emblem is on the over the counter wheel when used on the car as long as it is acceptable to the owner. Given it was not a regular production part it doesn't matter if the wheel was bought and added two weeks after the car was bought or two decades later from a originality stand point. The emblem and it's time frame isn't much relevant ether because of that IMO. The owners opinion on what looks best is what is most important IMO.  It is a beautiful wheel and if not in concours competition I would personally much rather have the real wood wheel over the faux wood production deluxe wheel. Again just my opinion but I think that the red white and blue Cobra horn emblem is more in keeping with the 66 Shelby motiff compared to the gold 67 style emblem which my sensibilities automatically associate with a 67 Shelby. That's just me . Others may think differently.

I find it amazing that those wood wheels, so changes the character of the car and something as simple as the horn medallion changes the way you read it again?

It's a very powerful focal point.

I personally prefer the 67 medallion as well.
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: greekz on September 02, 2020, 09:37:55 PM
I have, and like the same horn emblem on my over the counter wheel as shown in reply 5. It also ties in with the gas cap emblem, as the '67 horn emblem ties in with the '67 gas cap emblem.
Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 03, 2020, 12:57:07 AM
I have, and like the same horn emblem on my over the counter wheel as shown in reply 5. It also ties in with the gas cap emblem, as the '67 horn emblem ties in with the '67 gas cap emblem.
+1
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Post by: Brant on September 09, 2020, 08:01:22 PM
Original with the original center emblem.

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Title: Re: Original over the counter wood wheel horn button photo?
Post by: 427hunter on September 09, 2020, 10:10:40 PM
Original with the original center emblem.

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