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Title: Holley dashpot question
Post by: 6T6/7 on October 03, 2020, 06:55:52 PM
Are the '66s with automatic trans and Holley 715  supposed to have a dashpot?  I've heard that the '67 automatics that came through with the Holley 715 included a dashpot.  Wondering if similar for the '66s.
Thanks
Title: Re: Holley dashpot question
Post by: NC TRACKRAT on October 04, 2020, 07:49:50 AM
To my limited knowledge, all '66 GT350's with the C3 automatic tranny came with AUTOLITE C6ZF-F carburetors which were equipped with dashpots.  Some owners along the way may have elected to swap them out for a Holley.
Title: Re: Holley dashpot question
Post by: 427hunter on October 04, 2020, 11:01:00 AM
I thought the Holley to Autolite change over for auto's was some point between 8-900?
Title: Re: Holley dashpot question
Post by: texas swede on October 04, 2020, 07:06:50 PM
In a letter I have from SA all cars from 6S801 with Automatics would have the Autoliye.
Texas Swede
Title: Re: Holley dashpot question
Post by: gt350hr on October 05, 2020, 12:07:37 PM
   The S2MS 9510 A Holley did not have a dash pot and SAI did not add them. I have an early C4 auto Hertz car that came with the Holley and no dashpot. The Autolite 4100 , C6ZF-C WAS produced with a dashpot  by Ford and the complete carburetor was transferred by SAI during the manifold swap.

     PS new ( to me) information and discussion may alter my statement above with respect to '67 usage! AND yes I called out the "C" incorrectly , I should have said F , I apologize for the confusion on my part.
Title: Re: Holley dashpot question
Post by: Bob Gaines on October 05, 2020, 12:16:28 PM
Quote from: gt350hr on October 05, 2020, 12:07:37 PM
   The S2MS 9510 A Holley did not have a dash pot and SAI did not add them. I have an early C4 auto Hertz car that came with the Holley and no dashpot. The Autolite 4100 , C6ZF-C WAS produced with a dashpot  by Ford and the complete carburetor was transferred by SAI during the manifold swap.
Randy,the S2MS 9510 A's that were used on some 67 GT350 automatic cars had the dashpot. I have heard some anecdotal stories about some late 66 GT350 automatics using the Holley which I have never been able to substantiate. If that were true (which I have never confirmed)I would not be surprised if they had the dash pot like the ones used on the 67's . Hopefully others may more info.
Title: Re: Holley dashpot question
Post by: gt350hr on October 05, 2020, 03:20:25 PM
    Bob ,
       It's possible it was a retro fit. if the "spec" was changed to Holley , they would have been on service carbs. In "my years" I have seen one or two 715s with the natural finish , 4100 style dashpot ( the one with the external spring) for sale at local swap meets. I didn't/don't feel they were original . Remember "My" vision is somewhat limited to California stuff. What have you seen? I haven't "seen it all". LOL
   Randy
Title: Re: Holley dashpot question
Post by: Bob Gaines on October 05, 2020, 04:12:59 PM
Quote from: gt350hr on October 05, 2020, 03:20:25 PM
    Bob ,
       It's possible it was a retro fit. if the "spec" was changed to Holley , they would have been on service carbs. In "my years" I have seen one or two 715s with the natural finish , 4100 style dashpot ( the one with the external spring) for sale at local swap meets. I didn't/don't feel they were original . Remember "My" vision is somewhat limited to California stuff. What have you seen? I haven't "seen it all". LOL
   Randy
I assume it was done at the Cleveland engine plant.Yes it was the one with the spring.I have never seen them on later service carbs. The dashpot is the only distinguishing factor to tell if a original Holley on a 67 auto GT350 or a retrofit from what I can tell. FYI not all 67 GT350 autos got the Holley .Most got the Autolite carb.
Title: Re: Holley dashpot question
Post by: gt350hr on October 05, 2020, 05:26:46 PM
 We need to look at DSO sheets to see if there is a call out for a different engine build number. The engine plant would certainly have a different "code" for an Autolite equipped complete engine versus one with a Holley same as they did for a thermactor engine versus one without. They were FAR more restricted as to what they assembled. I'm thinking the Holley was an SAI thing and while being swapped the "Autolite dashpot" was transferred at the same time. Autolite parts lacked the dichromate plating Holley parts were known for.
   The late Ray Wolfe had boxes ( at least two hundred lines)  of '67 small block Holley fuel lines after SAI closed down.
    Randy
Title: Re: Holley dashpot question
Post by: S7MS427 on October 05, 2020, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: gt350hr on October 05, 2020, 12:07:37 PM
The Autolite 4100 , C6ZF-C WAS produced with a dashpot  by Ford and the complete carburetor was transferred by SAI during the manifold swap.

Randy,

Just to make sure that there is no confusion, the C6ZF-C carburetor did not use a dashpot.  That Hi-Po carb was for manual transmission cars.  What you are thinking of is the C6ZF-F that was installed on automatic transmission Hi-Po cars.
Title: Re: Holley dashpot question
Post by: texas swede on October 05, 2020, 09:26:01 PM
This 3259 carburetor was for sale in Sweden some years ago and was told to have come off a 67 GT350 with an automatic.
Texas Swede
Title: Re: Holley dashpot question
Post by: 427hunter on October 05, 2020, 10:26:44 PM
At saac 42 I looked at un unrestored non hertz 66 auto car that had a holley, it was in the 900's so who knows exactly when they stopped.
Title: Re: Holley dashpot question
Post by: Bob Gaines on October 05, 2020, 11:09:36 PM
Quote from: texas swede on October 05, 2020, 09:26:01 PM
This 3259 carburetor was for sale in Sweden some years ago and was told to have come off a 67 GT350 with an automatic.
Texas Swede
When i see them (rarely) that is how the dashpot is attached. attaching hardware is a clue if genuine or contrived. ;)
Title: Re: Holley dashpot question
Post by: JD on October 06, 2020, 08:51:16 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on October 05, 2020, 11:09:36 PM
Quote from: texas swede on October 05, 2020, 09:26:01 PM
This 3259 carburetor was for sale in Sweden some years ago and was told to have come off a 67 GT350 with an automatic.
Texas Swede
When i see them (rarely) that is how the dashpot is attached. attaching hardware is a clue if genuine or contrived. ;)

Another 67 GT350 auto - SJ build date early Nov., '66, SA completion date early Dec, '66,  Carb date 674 ('66, July, 4th week).
Title: Re: Holley dashpot question
Post by: gt350hr on October 06, 2020, 10:46:33 AM
   I do have one of the "natural finish" dashpots in my bin of "3259" parts. I may have removed it because I thought it wasn't correct from one of the '67 carbs I've owned. I know I have never seen one on a '66.
  I should have been more careful on reply #4 and again apologize.
Title: Re: Holley dashpot question
Post by: hertz350 on January 06, 2021, 10:33:40 PM
So I have a 66 Shelby Hertz with automatic built March of 66. It has its original Autolite carb. It does not have the dashpot. Is it supposed to?
Title: Re: Holley dashpot question
Post by: JD on January 06, 2021, 11:31:28 PM
I would think yes.

Do you know if the carb is the original, does the date code on the carb correspond with the completion date of the car?
Title: Re: Holley dashpot question
Post by: hertz350 on January 06, 2021, 11:37:08 PM
Yes, the Autolite carb is original to the car. It has a February or March 66 date. I am not near the car today to see the date on the tag.