Have two different smog pumps. Which is correct for the '67 GT500?
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Sorry - neither :( Others may have different opinions.
They could be modified to look something like originals but don't think that is what your asking.
Believe your looking for one with two ports on the back and each of those have the 90 degree elbows.
Maker of the lower pump is not one I've typically seen on a 67 San Jose Mustang/Shelby. Believe it is a Saginaw provided pump
When you get there don't forget the air deflector over the valve ;)
Thanks Jeff,
Any one have a picture of the correct pump?
Most of the hundreds of pictures I have are on the cars rather than spread out on a table. So rather than taking the time to do that will post some pictures I collected from other postings and such. Should be easy pump to find. Nothing really special, used on 289's for example.
This one still has the small block filter bracket attached. All pretty and clean. Finishes and some of the smaller details are not all correct IMHO
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/14/6-181020043800.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/14/6-181020043826.jpeg)
Sorry - this is the way the owner took the picture with the valve in the way as it would be located on the car. Does show details, elblows and such
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/14/6-181020043913.jpeg)
Hope these help
In that last picture, it looks like the third elbow boss was either not drilled out or has a freeze plug pressed in.
Pictures to see where the connections were made.
Seems a lot of the Thermactor cars had the filter canister kind of free-hanging, only supported by the hoses rather than being supported by a clamp that is screwed to the shock tower, no?
Quote from: 2112 on October 18, 2020, 11:32:18 AM
In that last picture, it looks like the third elbow boss was either not drilled out or has a freeze plug pressed in.
Correct
Quote from: 2112 on October 18, 2020, 04:36:42 PM
Seems a lot of the Thermactor cars had the filter canister kind of free-hanging, only supported by the hoses rather than being supported by a clamp that is screwed to the shock tower, no?
Believe it has to do with when the car was built at San Jose. This was a 390 Mustang related detail
Quote from: 2112 on October 18, 2020, 11:32:18 AM
In that last picture, it looks like the third elbow boss was either not drilled out or has a freeze plug pressed in.
Found one in the garage (well a few of different sorts) so grabbed a few pictures for you
The unused port is not drilled out - casting still there. Rear plate on this example needs to be cleaned, painted and machined surfaces returned then oiled
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/14/6-181020221415.jpeg)
Look at the front of the pump
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/14/6-181020221433.jpeg)
Look at the date codes - casting and assembly In this case this was made for an early 1966 289
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/14/6-181020221519.jpeg)
Not to be critical but it needs to be mentioned not all of the details on that finished restored example will be correct for a car like yours so do your home work - don't just follow :) And we all learn more (or at least should) as time passes
Thank you for the detailed pictures
looks like the one for sale on Ebay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-1967-Ford-Mustang-Shelby-Fairlane-Cougar-390-427-428-THERMACTOR-SMOG-PUMP/154152424980?epid=13022157031&hash=item23e4335614:g:ajsAAOSwlSdfMdhY
Quote from: 68krrrr on October 21, 2020, 12:57:17 AM
looks like the one for sale on Ebay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-1967-Ford-Mustang-Shelby-Fairlane-Cougar-390-427-428-THERMACTOR-SMOG-PUMP/154152424980?epid=13022157031&hash=item23e4335614:g:ajsAAOSwlSdfMdhY
That is the three port version like in the original post. The Shelby application is a mix of parts from many different applications and the three port is not the
typical or planned for the 67 GT500 application. Some parts were included with each car to be installed at SA while others were changed (on paper) prior to the cars build at San Jose as can be found documented on the add/delete sheets. The guides for each order group.
Added: There are original examples from San Jose 289 examples and possibly a few of these pumps were included with Shelbys, where the three 90 degree fitting pumps were supplier where the third port was capped with a rubber cap and a retaining clamp.Have not graphed the examples to figure out when, during the production year, this took place, yet.
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/14/6-211020011156.jpeg)
Ah ha & glad i'm a non smog car actually & for some reason i like the look of a smog system on 68's but not so much on 67's for some reason.
Quote from: 68krrrr on October 21, 2020, 12:57:17 AM
looks like the one for sale on Ebay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-1967-Ford-Mustang-Shelby-Fairlane-Cougar-390-427-428-THERMACTOR-SMOG-PUMP/154152424980?epid=13022157031&hash=item23e4335614:g:ajsAAOSwlSdfMdhY
And buyer beware of that seller. ;)
Quote from: J_Speegle on October 17, 2020, 09:52:42 PM
Sorry - neither :( Others may have different opinions.
They could be modified to look something like originals but don't think that is what your asking.
Believe your looking for one with two ports on the back and each of those have the 90 degree elbows.
Maker of the lower pump is not one I've typically seen on a 67 San Jose Mustang/Shelby. Believe it is a Saginaw provided pump
When you get there don't forget the air deflector over the valve ;)
Back in late 80s early 90s I bought a Calif 67 FB with a 390 4 speed in it. It passed Calif emissions before it came east. I pulled the system off the car and sold it to a 67 GT500 owner in Az(Calif smog car) through Hemmings. I still wonder what was different on the Mustang one and the Shelby one. The long tube(diff intakes)? Thanks. Gary
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on October 21, 2020, 12:49:23 PM
Quote from: J_Speegle on October 17, 2020, 09:52:42 PM
Sorry - neither :( Others may have different opinions.
They could be modified to look something like originals but don't think that is what your asking.
Believe your looking for one with two ports on the back and each of those have the 90 degree elbows.
Maker of the lower pump is not one I've typically seen on a 67 San Jose Mustang/Shelby. Believe it is a Saginaw provided pump
When you get there don't forget the air deflector over the valve ;)
Back in late 80s early 90s I bought a Calif 67 FB with a 390 4 speed in it. It passed Calif emissions before it came east. I pulled the system off the car and sold it to a 67 GT500 owner in Az(Calif smog car) through Hemmings. I still wonder what was different on the Mustang one and the Shelby one. The long tube(diff intakes)? Thanks. Gary
Without getting into a long explanation on the differences the short answer is it depends on which 67 390 system , if early or later 67 GT500 and some items are on the Shelby not included on a 390 system.
Does the closed crankcase system have an effect on the layout/hook up of any thermactor components? Or is it simply hooking the oil fill tube breather up to the air cleaner? What designated/how to tell that a car had a closed system?
Quote from: 430dragpack on October 25, 2020, 03:50:10 PM
Does the closed crankcase system have an effect on the layout/hook up of any thermactor components? Or is it simply hooking the oil fill tube breather up to the air cleaner? What designated/how to tell that a car had a closed system?
On paper the Thermactor system is a closed system. However the oil tube cap on the GT500 typically was a open emission type breather cap regardless of if on the Thermactor or non Thermactor engine. The GT350 Thermactor was a closed system on paper and real world too.