https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-shelby-gt350-9/
(https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-shelby-gt350-9/)
This 1966 Shelby Mustang GT350 was delivered new to Hi-Performance Motors of El Segundo, California on January 12, 1966. The car was refurbished circa 1994 by Carrera Motors of Bend, Oregon, and later spent time in Utah, Michigan, Texas, Iowa, and California. A repaint in red with white stripes was performed in 2006, and the car was acquired by the selling dealer earlier this year. Power is provided by a 289ci HiPo V8 that has been fitted with a Paxton supercharger and is backed by a four-speed manual transmission. Additional features include a tachometer, wood-rimmed steering wheel, folding rear seat, black vinyl upholstery, override traction bars, and Shelby-style alloy wheels. This GT350 has been documented in the SAAC registry and was reportedly driven by Carroll Shelby during a Texas Cobra club parade in 2002. It is now offered with a binder of records and a Texas title.
During 1966, GT350 production was carried out at Shelby American's facility near Los Angeles International Airport. New for the model year were fixed rear quarter windows, functional rear brake ducts, and an optional Paxton supercharger. Available exterior colors were expanded to include red, blue, green, and black, and unlike the previous model year, the car could be ordered with an automatic transmission.
This example left the factory in red and reportedly underwent a bare-metal repaint in 2006. Shelby-specific details include white Le Mans stripes, a steel-framed hood with a scoop, a Le Mans-style side mirror, and GT350 badging. The finish and trim are pictured up close in the gallery below.
Repoduction Shelby/Cragar-style 15″ alloy wheels wear Goodyear Power Cushion "Blue Dot" tires all around. Shelby chassis modifications include revised front suspension geometry, Koni shocks, Kelsey-Hayes front disc brakes, and larger rear brake drums. The rear suspension is equipped with override traction bars in order to limit side-to-side movement of the solid axle.
The cabin is upholstered in black vinyl with matching-color carpets and door panels. Additional features include a black dash pad, optional fold-down rear seat, radio blanking plate, lap belts, and a glovebox door signed by Carroll Shelby.
The wood-rimmed steering wheel wears a Shelby horn button and frames a 140-mph speedometer positioned between gauges for fuel level, oil pressure, alternator charge, and coolant temperature. A 9k-rpm tachometer is mounted to the top of the dashboard, while Paxton boost and fuel pressure gauges are mounted below. The five-digit odometer shows under 38k miles.
The Windsor K-code 289ci HiPo V8 is equipped with a period Paxton supercharger system that forces air through a Cobra-branded intake plenum and an Autolite four-barrel carburetor. Finned aluminum valve covers are fitted, as are tubular steel headers and a high-capacity aluminum oil pan.
Power is sent to the rear wheels through a cast-aluminum Borge Warner T10 four-speed manual transmission. Additional underbody photos are included in the gallery below.
An excerpt from the SAAC registry is pictured above and outlines history for chassis 6S745 from 1966 through 2008. A binder of records and refurbishment photos is included in the sale.
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/44-281020235745.jpeg)
Riding high in the back end?
Who signed the glove box? Doesn't have the correct trademark slash and crossbars under the signature.
Many older signatures do not have the underlne
CS signature with middle initial "H" line started around the time that CS was selling signatures to raise funds for the CS Children Heart Fund/Foundation (organization name changed over the years). 8)
MANY incorrect statements in the narrative. I'll leave it at that.
Blue dots look a little out of place on this car. The painted Magnum's would be cool.
The comment section is getting very "interesting." Ends tomorrow.
BAT is a nightmare, I have no idea why anyone would sell a car there.
If I am not mistaken, I think I owned this car at one time.
Sold it to a good friend in Michigan.
Do not have a new world registry, but sure seems familiar.
John
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on October 29, 2020, 02:01:30 PM
Who signed the glove box? Doesn't have the correct trademark slash and crossbars under the signature.
Maybe its not "His" signature, but many years ago before the money end of him doing that, my car was signed on the hood stripe, there was nothing like that, just his signature, I had pictures to back it, and witnesses. 1986 NC I believe.
Quote from: Harris Speedster on November 16, 2020, 07:35:00 AM
If I am not mistaken, I think I owned this car at one time.
Sold it to a good friend in Michigan.
Do not have a new world registry, but sure seems familiar.
John
John, you are listed in a registry pic in the auction ad. Gary
While not even close to being knowledgeable on 66s is "Elipper" wrong on his critique of this car? I'd like to know more about the "cutting" to install an export brace on the SJ line. Is this into available in a registry? Any prior owners have anything to say about the MN block? Thanks. Gary
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on November 16, 2020, 08:55:18 AM
While not even close to being knowledgeable on 66s is "Elipper" wrong on his critique of this car? I'd like to know more about the "cutting" to install an export brace on the SJ line. Is this into available in a registry? Any prior owners have anything to say about the MN block? Thanks. Gary
I think he is a little aggressive in his critique by throwing out a comment regarding the "fake" possible nature of the car. I saw the welded in brace on the firewall so I'm not sure what he was referring to there. It does need some more seam sealer around it to look correct. If the car wasn't real it would have been indicated in the registry because this car has been through a number of owners. There were also some sheet metal pictures in bare form and by all appearances it looked great.
Does it need some things to be 100%, yes but it isn't being presented as a concours gold winning 66. I think it is a nice car to get started with, just my opinion.
Quote from: 427hunter on November 16, 2020, 12:36:08 AM
BAT is a nightmare, I have no idea why anyone would sell a car there.
Probably the $5K max seller's fee plus avoiding the cost of bringing a car to an in-person auction?
I/we still have the original period correct black supercharger with script belt and full gauge cluster that was in the trunk.
Also have a Paxton system that was on a BB car.
That is why I have supplied / shared information and pics of paxton stuff.
Blue dot was with the car, I sold it a couple years back to a SAAC member.
It was a numbers match car with alum box.
Paxton, a I have said before, were black not blue for earlier built cars.
I have questions as to what is being said by the seller, but will not air them.
Also, this is at the same time I gained first hand knowledge of what happened to one of the original 66 shelby converts.
Just like the 65 #41 I once owned, broke the bank with record sale, 450K or so. Bummer I did not keep it!
Stories are just that, that is unless a person has first hand knowledge from 2 1/2 decades ago. I know a little.
Have had over 50 shelbys, & 3-4 cobras go through my hands, some were detailed in world registry, some where not.
Mr Vinny knows why.
BTW, has the yellow R equipped ever surfaced ?
John
Quote from: sfm5 on November 16, 2020, 10:10:38 AM
Quote from: 427hunter on November 16, 2020, 12:36:08 AM
BAT is a nightmare, I have no idea why anyone would sell a car there.
Probably the $5K max seller's fee plus avoiding the cost of bringing a car to an in-person auction?
I was talking about people being able to take a giant S on the car anonymously.
Quote from: 427hunter on November 16, 2020, 01:22:31 PM
Quote from: sfm5 on November 16, 2020, 10:10:38 AM
Quote from: 427hunter on November 16, 2020, 12:36:08 AM
BAT is a nightmare, I have no idea why anyone would sell a car there.
Probably the $5K max seller's fee plus avoiding the cost of bringing a car to an in-person auction?
I was talking about people being able to take a giant S on the car anonymously.
I think Eric Lipper actually gave his name early on.
Not disagreeing with you tho. There are others.
Bid to $165k. Reserve not met.
Probably has an absurd reserve above $200K
Looked like a nice car
Well that auction turned into a steaming pile of you know what..... you can bet there won't be a Shelby on BAT for quite a while.
Quote from: CSX 4133 on November 16, 2020, 07:11:33 PM
Well that auction turned into a steaming pile of you know what..... you can bet there won't be a Shelby on BAT for quite a while.
That's too bad. I thought the recent auction of 5s048 went pretty smoothly, and was well sold at $400K!
The comments were very nasty and the car was not that bad - anyone know if there some personal thing behind this?
Comments certainly can be hurtful BUT in defense of those comments they CAN save a person from buying a HYPED car for a high price. It becomes the buyers choice to continue when the criticism is given instead of that sucking sound when the information comes out AFTER the sale. Not EVERY seller is dishonest or hypes their car , BUT as prices increase , the "opportunists" seem to come out of the woodwork. These are often lesser informed "flippers" who add their own twists to the history book by "creative journalism".
Quote from: gt350hr on November 17, 2020, 11:04:02 AM
Comments certainly can be hurtful BUT in defense of those comments they CAN save a person from buying a HYPED car for a high price. It becomes the buyers choice to continue when the criticism is given instead of that sucking sound when the information comes out AFTER the sale. Not EVERY seller is dishonest or hypes their car , BUT as prices increase , the "opportunists" seem to come out of the woodwork. These are often lesser informed "flippers" who add their own twists to the history book by "creative journalism".
The ad didn't read very hyped and the car is not bad.
We all have our own perception . I wouldn't want it any other way. Some say "tom"ay"to and others tom"ah" to. It's all good. I fully respect your opinion.
The only thing I would add to the above comments are, everyone should have the right to sale their car the way he or she wants. Randy I agree 100% with you that a hyped up description can be misleading but for these cars, it really only makes the person doing the hyping look bad.
In regards to this car, there was a personal attack going on and one where the comments were out of line IMO. From the documentation, clarification and the fact that the car has had a number of prior Shelby owners, the car isn't a fake but unfortunately, that stigma will be carried with it for some time and all because of someone wanting to hurt the seller.
Before you become negative to someones car, keep this in mind, these are valuable cars and we should all be cheering the sale on. Helping each other and lifting every legitimate car up to as high as it can be only helps you. I see no issue with pointing out incorrect things in a respectful way for information. Like a lot of you, I have had parts that someone needs and will offer it to them so they can present their car really well come sale time.
What I see sometimes is folks wanting to try to keep the prices depressed because they feel they aren't worth it. Not many of us were fortunate enough to come into these cars when they were $2500 - $50000, those days are long gone and they don't make real ones anymore. Stay positive and help each other....Food for thought
+1
Very positively expressed + 1
Quote from: Greg on November 17, 2020, 01:59:47 PM
The only thing I would add to the above comments are, everyone should have the right to sale their car the way he or she wants. Randy I agree 100% with you that a hyped up description can be misleading but for these cars, it really only makes the person doing the hyping look bad.
In regards to this car, there was a personal attack going on and one where the comments were out of line IMO. From the documentation, clarification and the fact that the car has had a number of prior Shelby owners, the car isn't a fake but unfortunately, that stigma will be carried with it for some time and all because of someone wanting to hurt the seller.
Before you become negative to someones car, keep this in mind these are valuable cars and we should all be cheering the sale on. Helping each other and lifting every legitimate car up to as high as it can be only helps you. I see no issue with pointing out incorrect things in a respectful way for information. Like a lot of you, I have had parts that someone needs and will offer it to them so they can present their car really well come sale time.
What I see sometimes is folks wanting to try to keep the prices depressed because they feel they aren't worth it. Not many of us were fortunate enough to come into these cars when they were $2500 - $50000, those days are long gone and they don't make real ones anymore. Stay positive and help each other....Food for thought
I fully agree Greg. Malicious comments are as bad if not worse that HYPE. We shouldn't act as bullies but must remain factual.
It is interesting the guy making the most noise and slinging the most mud at the Shelby on BAT owns a car with not the best history according to the registry and there is zero mention of his car having an original engine.
Quote from: 427hunter on November 16, 2020, 07:58:33 PM
The comments were very nasty and the car was not that bad - anyone know if there some personal thing behind this?
Most likely another hater playing the leveling game. Comments just turned into "I know more than you know" and "I've owned more Shelby's so I'm the expert" And the...."I am an attorney".
Comments sections should not exist on that site and questions should be sent to seller for them to post responses. Other than all of the funky crap at the rear suspension looks like a real nice car. If it was mine I'd take the rear back to factory and put the correct wheels on it than back up for sale.
Quote from: Shawn on November 17, 2020, 02:54:41 PM
Quote from: 427hunter on November 16, 2020, 07:58:33 PM
The comments were very nasty and the car was not that bad - anyone know if there some personal thing behind this?
Most likely another hater playing the leveling game. Comments just turned into "I know more than you know" and "I've owned more Shelby's so I'm the expert" And the...."I am an attorney".
Comments sections should not exist on that site and questions should be sent to seller for them to post responses. Other than all of the funky crap at the rear suspension looks like a real nice car. If it was mine I'd take the rear back to factory and put the correct wheels on it than back up for sale.
100% ! whenever I hear "I am attorney" I know the following statement will be a lie....
Guys, I learned a couple of lessons from my comments on BAT and some of that is reinforced by what I am reading here.
First, I have always posted in my real name which is because I don't hide behind a thing -- in the future I guess I should change my handle so I can do it in secret but that is not my nature. Second, if you read the posts in Order you will see that I was clear that I am no expert but just a guy that has owned several of these cars. Third, my 66 GT350 may not be the best in the world as someone in this post pointed out but I have a lot of confidence that Tony Conover did the best that he could with it. Tony is a great guy and pointed out all the issues before he sold it to me, and I think it is still a decent canvas to use as a comparison.
Fourth, and I was clear about this in the posts, I personally judged that car at Keels & Wheels and the issues that I raised were pointed out to me by another judge because I was enamored by the red paint and wanted to give it first place in the Shelby class -- remember I bought the same damn car -- I was just reading the news as I heard it. Fifth, and this really pisses me off, if you read the posts in context, and in order, I started by just making the basic observations that it had the wrong steering wheel, paxton, exhaust, wheels, and to me at least the Panhard bar looked wrong. None of that is wrong as far as I know.
Sixth, and this is where it went off the rails. Rather than say thank you for the info in my first post the Seller hit Google and called my office to tell me to stop posting uniess I was buying the car -- that was no bueno to me which did encourage me to keep on posting. I thought it was funny that the guy was calling me from a Hyundai Dealership which is where I started stepping on his neck about being a Hyundai Dealer. If he hadn't beat on the lawyers I would have left the Hyundai out but I needed a little response. Seventh, and if you read the posts in order I pointed out, in many of the posts, that it was a nice car and good for Cars & Coffee but that it has a lot of non-authentic stuff. I know where my car stands in that hierarchy and it has a lot less problems than that one.
I am probably wrong on some of the issues that looked wrong to me but I will say, that except for the beat on the lawyers refrain which is a common mantra these days, the Seller never responded with a fact. There was a good side effect of using my real name, the number of people that reached out to me because they wanted to get my observations about the car having seen it in person was extraordinary. There were eighteen bids and I spoke with three of the bidders who ended up bidding. One of the bidders even flew into Houston and I had him over to my house to compare that car to mine. Lastly, and this is pretty typical of the public web mob mentality, not one of the guys that commented on the self-imposed drama was a bidder.
Do I wish I had not gotten involved in restrospect? In a word, yes. What did I get out of it? I met some guys on the phone to talk about Shelbys who clearly knew less about the cars than me. Most likely one of them will be a SAAC member one day.
Probably better to stay out of that whole morass - I think you may have become a victim of BAT syndrome..
Agreed.
Quote from: 427hunter on November 17, 2020, 07:36:50 PM
Quote from: Shawn on November 17, 2020, 02:54:41 PM
Quote from: 427hunter on November 16, 2020, 07:58:33 PM
The comments were very nasty and the car was not that bad - anyone know if there some personal thing behind this?
Most likely another hater playing the leveling game. Comments just turned into "I know more than you know" and "I've owned more Shelby's so I'm the expert" And the...."I am an attorney".
Comments sections should not exist on that site and questions should be sent to seller for them to post responses. Other than all of the funky crap at the rear suspension looks like a real nice car. If it was mine I'd take the rear back to factory and put the correct wheels on it than back up for sale.
100% ! whenever I hear "I am attorney" I know the following statement will be a lie....
I actually am an attorney. Lol! I don't get why an attorney would think that being one somehow makes him (or her) have superior knowledge on any subject (even the law). We typically do not hold such beliefs. My personal philosophy aligns with the great Jordan Peterson: Assume that someone else knows something you don't. Following those words has made me learn so much more in life on every subject. And to quote Sir Isaac Newton:
"All knowledge and understanding of the Universe was no more than playing with stones and shells on the seashore of the vast imponderable ocean of truth."
I will add that the legal profession is the most highly regulated professions in the world and that is not because every other profession and career has nothing but ethical people who don't need regulation. And second, everyone hates lawyers until they need one.
Well off to play some Beethoven on my son's keyboard in the land of Beethoven's birth. The weather on the North Sea is calm and a good 10 Grad today.
Best,
Richard E.
I, thankfully, arrived at this party late. That said, it was hard to know what to make of the comments, since many had been removed. Interestingly, I was thinking this on a day that the social media geniuses were testifying about removing and censoring posts on their platforms.
There are some who have malicious purposes, but I have to assume that Mr. Lipper was just trying to help a potential buyer, and the dealer, as nice as the comments on BAT say he is, is just trying to sell a car. Those motives might have collided somewhat. And contacting Mr. Lipper out of the BAT forum is, to me, way out of line. But we all make mistakes. I hear. Except the lawyers. Like me.
John Dillman, esq
Lawyers, doctors, pilots, etc were all "regular people" before they became accredited.
Quote from: gt350hr on November 18, 2020, 11:40:48 AM
Lawyers, doctors, pilots, etc were all "regular people" before they became accredited.
I hear they are getting their own "VVVIP Lounge" in the Off Topic Area. ;D
It was a pretty short drive to Crazytown on that one but once the guy started getting personal the die was cast. I have no idea what remains of the discussion -- nor do I care at this point -- because it was all factual. Although my interest in commenting was just to point out what was wrong in my eyes it is undoubtedly subjective. Things like the paint on the front frame rails being black instead of red oxide, or the lack of body caulk under the front fenders, were my observations. I don't think the cars ever had a wood wheel, a Panhard bar, Cragars, Blue Dots .... I made it clear that I am just a guy that has owned these cars.
Also, I may be a lawyer but my experience is unusual. I spent 18 months after high school as a line mechanic at Russell Smith Ford here in Houston. I cutoff the end of a finger in the fan blade of a 1976 Granada and knew it was time to go to college. I put myself through the University of Texas by restoring 64 - 66 Mustangs all with junk yard parts because, other than Ford service parts, that is all you had back then. Law school became the end goal because both my grandfathers, my dad, myself and my son are all lawyers. With that much history in my family it may offer some color why "the lawyers are all bad people" irritates me just like any other discriminatory comment would.
Has something changed? I thought lawyers interpreted laws for money. Is the glass half full or half empty? A legal decision could be expensive.
Eric , you chose the profession and unfortunately , like 6S745 , criticism comes with the job. You may be THE world's most honest lawyer ( and I hope you ARE), but the other lawyers are only after the $$$$s , regardless of guilt or innocence. The title lumps you in with them. Sorry , just being truthful.
Back to topic.
I'm impressed with the number of attorneys on the forum. Cheers!
Quote from: gt350hr on November 18, 2020, 01:46:34 PM
Has something changed? I thought lawyers interpreted laws for money. Is the glass half full or half empty? A legal decision could be expensive.
Eric , you chose the profession and unfortunately , like 6S745 , criticism comes with the job. You may be THE world's most honest lawyer ( and I hope you ARE), but the other lawyers are only after the $$$$s , regardless of guilt or innocence. The title lumps you in with them. Sorry , just being truthful.
Back to topic.
+1,
Quote from: eric lipper on November 18, 2020, 01:16:58 PM
I cutoff the end of a finger in the fan blade of a 1976 Granada and knew it was time to go to college.
See there was a use for those CAUTION FAN stickers
Quote from: Sfm6sxxx on November 18, 2020, 07:06:19 PM
Quote from: eric lipper on November 18, 2020, 01:16:58 PM
I cutoff the end of a finger in the fan blade of a 1976 Granada and knew it was time to go to college.
See there was a use for those CAUTION FAN stickers
Now that was funny.
Listed for Indy Mecum - https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0521-479110/1966-shelby-gt350-fastback/ (https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0521-479110/1966-shelby-gt350-fastback/)
The max seller's fee is $349. Max buyer's fee is $5,000.
Wow! Sold at Mecum (with buyer's fees) for $247,500!!
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0521-479110/1966-shelby-gt350-fastback/ (https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0521-479110/1966-shelby-gt350-fastback/)
From the BaT Listing - BID TO $165,000 (did not meet Reserve) on 11/16/20