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Title: 4159 KR resto commences
Post by: Jack4159 on November 10, 2020, 10:05:25 AM
Thought I would share. Started stripping 4 days ago and have had a good run, should be done tomorrow. Body going off to the experts who need it for 6 months, rotisserie, going back to original highland green. In that time me and a mate helping will work on everything else. Got a nice surprise with the body, a little minor rust in the cowl, A pillars and trunk recess that will require patching but very minor and nothing anywhere else! All original panels, no patches anywhere. Even found the build sheet !
   
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Post by: Coralsnake on November 10, 2020, 10:14:17 AM
Well done. You can do a little more, by looking for writing on the radiator support and cross member
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Post by: Coralsnake on November 10, 2020, 10:26:22 AM
Look where front fenders bolt to radiator support on both sides (Two vertical holes) and along bottom front cross member.
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Post by: Jack4159 on November 10, 2020, 10:39:09 AM
Thanks Pete, I'll check it out tomorrow, nearly midnight here now so well and truly knocked off.
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Post by: Coralsnake on November 10, 2020, 11:30:06 AM
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/8-101120112845.jpeg)
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Post by: Coralsnake on November 10, 2020, 01:54:05 PM
You can also look on the front face of the passenger side shock tower for letters or numbers
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Post by: Bigfoot on November 10, 2020, 07:35:51 PM
Nice work.
And great color.
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Post by: TLea on November 10, 2020, 08:38:10 PM
Im guessing 4 spd AC car?
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Post by: 68krrrr on November 10, 2020, 10:06:11 PM
Very cool & good luck where did you find your build sheets & are you gonna keep the trailer hitch  ;D
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Post by: Jack4159 on November 11, 2020, 07:56:02 AM
Look where front fenders bolt to radiator support on both sides (Two vertical holes) and along bottom front cross member.
Think I found some markings, passenger side looks like an R, can't make out the driver's side very well.
Couldn't find anything on the front crossmember or shock towers but managed to avoid some harder work by trying.  :)
Do the markings have any meaning?
Title: Re: 4159 KR resto commences
Post by: Jack4159 on November 11, 2020, 07:59:13 AM
Im guessing 4 spd AC car?
Yep, good guess  :)
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Post by: Jack4159 on November 11, 2020, 08:04:48 AM
Very cool & good luck where did you find your build sheets & are you gonna keep the trailer hitch  ;D
Build sheet was under the dash wrapped to the main wiring harness with black tape, which thankfully had no "stick" left in it. Came apart no problem but very fragile.
Yeah the towbar is not making a comeback. The second owner had the car 40 years and the KR was his driver which he used to tow his racer, a GT350.
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Post by: Jack4159 on November 11, 2020, 08:05:22 AM
Nice work.
And great color.
Thank you!
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Post by: Coralsnake on November 11, 2020, 08:31:54 AM
Sure they mean something 😉

The R is likely the engine code, but could be paint code.

The 78 is a rotation number
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Post by: TLea on November 11, 2020, 11:19:21 AM
Im guessing 4 spd AC car?
Yep, good guess  :)
Not that much of stretch. 4154/4155 same  Figured they were in same DSO as yours
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Post by: pmustang on November 11, 2020, 04:52:28 PM
Going to be drop dead gorgeous when done.

Love finding a build sheet

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Post by: Jack4159 on November 11, 2020, 07:19:38 PM
Sure they mean something 😉I

The R is likely the engine code, but could be paint code.

The 78 is a rotation number



Thanks Pete, very cool.I reckon I will pop these back on once she's painted.
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Post by: Coralsnake on November 11, 2020, 07:57:16 PM
Thats your choice, but at least you saw them
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Post by: Jack4159 on November 16, 2020, 10:18:42 AM
Is the glasswork for 4159 original panels?
I always thought one of the headlight buckets was aftermarket because it had no green paint on the back, but on getting it off it does have some highland green on it.(highland green is original colour, car was sprayed in black at some stage long ago)
Not sure if it's possible to tell from these pics, but if anyone can tell I would be grateful.
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Post by: Jack4159 on November 16, 2020, 10:24:26 AM
more glass pics.
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Post by: Jack4159 on November 16, 2020, 10:29:09 AM
more glass pics.
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Post by: Coralsnake on November 16, 2020, 01:00:25 PM
Smooth and pinkish is correct

Looks original from here
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Post by: TLea on November 16, 2020, 06:40:59 PM
Sure they mean something 😉I

The R is likely the engine code, but could be paint code.

The 78 is a rotation number


Is the R in red ?
Thanks Pete, very cool.I reckon I will pop these back on once she's painted.
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Post by: Jack4159 on November 17, 2020, 07:40:20 AM
Sure they mean something 😉I

The R is likely the engine code, but could be paint code.

The 78 is a rotation number


Is the R in red ?
Thanks Pete, very cool.I reckon I will pop these back on once she's painted.

I would say the R looks most likely in white.
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Post by: Jack4159 on November 17, 2020, 07:46:19 AM
Found some more markings, posting just in case they are of interest to anyone.
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Post by: Coralsnake on November 17, 2020, 07:54:35 AM
Havent seen those before, but likely made by welders ...
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Post by: Jack4159 on November 17, 2020, 07:54:56 AM
Smooth and pinkish is correct

Looks original from here

Thanks Pete, very pleased to hear that.
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Post by: Jack4159 on December 15, 2020, 10:37:27 AM
Back from the blasters and whilst a few little surprises were found it's nothing major. The worst  of the rust is in the cowl which is going to be completely unpicked and sorted. All the original sheetmetal will remain with some very minor patches here and there, so overall I'm pretty happy. The body guys(who work pretty much 60's-70"s muscle cars only)said it was the best body they had seen in the last couple of years. :) :) 
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Post by: pmustang on January 18, 2021, 01:52:06 PM
Looks amazing
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Post by: J_Speegle on January 18, 2021, 02:41:20 PM
Sure they mean something 😉

The R is likely the engine code, but could be paint code.

I vote-  engine code given the  (at all plants it does not need to match exactly) since the mark is over the last paint layer applied to the body
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Post by: Jack4159 on July 28, 2021, 12:37:16 PM
Just a little update.Body guys have had the car 8 months now, expect to be finished by Christmas.The fibreglass needed a lot of work, some of the gelcoat was shot but all saved and back in good shape now.
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Post by: deathsled on July 28, 2021, 12:44:50 PM
Congrats to you. Always a good feeling seeing them in stripped down condition and then going back together to create something beautiful.
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Post by: greekz on July 29, 2021, 10:28:29 AM
Coming along nicely.  Funny, it always takes longer than we think.
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Post by: Jack4159 on July 29, 2021, 10:32:48 AM
Coming along nicely.  Funny, it always takes longer than we think.

It sure does....It's almost going to come as a surprise that first day I take her out on the road I think.
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Post by: tesgt350 on July 29, 2021, 12:26:42 PM
No Knee Pad on the Dash?
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Post by: Jack4159 on July 29, 2021, 12:48:23 PM
No Knee Pad on the Dash?
Knee pad?
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Post by: Coralsnake on July 29, 2021, 12:51:18 PM
A GT500 KR does not have a knee pad on the dash. It is a feature of earlier built cars in 1968.
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Post by: shelbymann1970 on July 30, 2021, 07:21:05 AM
No Knee Pad on the Dash?
Knee pad?
check out the pics and see the knee pad on the dash http://www.thecoralsnake.com/History23
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Post by: Corey Bowcutt on July 30, 2021, 08:19:11 AM
No Knee Pad on the Dash?
Knee pad?
check out the pics and see the knee pad on the dash http://www.thecoralsnake.com/History23

That does not appear to be a KR?
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Post by: shelbymann1970 on July 30, 2021, 08:23:05 AM
No Knee Pad on the Dash?
Knee pad?
check out the pics and see the knee pad on the dash http://www.thecoralsnake.com/History23

That does not appear to be a KR?
it wouldn't be as it is an early car with a knee pad. later cars didn't get knee pads as mentioned by Pete.
Title: Re: 4159 KR resto commences
Post by: Jack4159 on July 30, 2021, 09:53:03 AM
OK I'll admit it took me a while, but I eventually figured out what a knee pad is. Happy to have learned something today, thanks everyone for the input.
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Post by: shelbymann1970 on July 30, 2021, 12:11:49 PM
OK I'll admit it took me a while, but I eventually figured out what a knee pad is. Happy to have learned something today, thanks everyone for the input.
I think the pillar pads were eliminated sometime also. My 68 didn't have the knee but had the pillar pads.
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Post by: Jack4159 on December 30, 2021, 03:55:03 AM
UPHOLSTERY-repair(if possible) or replace.
4159 will be back from the body shop in a few weeks, much has been done whilst waiting but I cant make a decision on the upholstery.
Ive attached a few pics, what would you do? Repair(if it can be repaired) or replace..?
The car has undergone a nut and bolt resto and is predominantly original but is not a concours car.
Thanks in advance for any opinions and feedback.
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Post by: J_Speegle on December 30, 2021, 05:01:03 AM
UPHOLSTERY-repair(if possible) or replace.
4159 will be back from the body shop in a few weeks, much has been done whilst waiting but I cant make a decision on the upholstery.
Ive attached a few pics, what would you do? Repair(if it can be repaired) or replace..?.....

Understand the urge to keep the original material and do a repair - have done it on some of mine. Issue is often that it still does not look fresh and new and can stand out in an otherwise fully restored and redone car.  Also old material and seams are more likely to ripe or tear again when compared to fresh not upholstery.

And option may be to store the original and have another set of seats and frames redone for the finished car.

Just some thoughts
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Post by: Jack4159 on January 02, 2022, 02:53:44 AM
UPHOLSTERY-repair(if possible) or replace.
4159 will be back from the body shop in a few weeks, much has been done whilst waiting but I cant make a decision on the upholstery.
Ive attached a few pics, what would you do? Repair(if it can be repaired) or replace..?.....

Understand the urge to keep the original material and do a repair - have done it on some of mine. Issue is often that it still does not look fresh and new and can stand out in an otherwise fully restored and redone car.  Also old material and seams are more likely to ripe or tear again when compared to fresh not upholstery.

And option may be to store the original and have another set of seats and frames redone for the finished car.

Just some thoughts
Thanks Jeff, helpful thoughts thank you, I think I will go with new and should probably order them now before I change my mind again.
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Post by: Jack4159 on January 09, 2022, 04:40:32 AM
Primer on, not long now!!
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Post by: Jack4159 on January 26, 2022, 07:43:43 AM
Bodywork done now prepping for paint.
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Post by: Jack4159 on January 26, 2022, 07:46:50 AM
More pics.
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Post by: Banzainj on March 31, 2022, 02:02:55 PM
Very cool & good luck where did you find your build sheets & are you gonna keep the trailer hitch  ;D
Build sheet was under the dash wrapped to the main wiring harness with black tape, which thankfully had no "stick" left in it. Came apart no problem but very fragile.
Yeah the towbar is not making a comeback. The second owner had the car 40 years and the KR was his driver which he used to tow his racer, a GT350.

Same place mine was ;)
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Post by: Jack4159 on April 04, 2022, 04:42:24 AM
Annnnd, back together she goes.
The bolts that attach the fenders to the engine bay, I have the AMK kit, are they correct as they come ie they dont get painted?
Thanks
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Post by: Coralsnake on April 04, 2022, 06:01:46 AM
Not painted

The factory painted everything except the doors off the car
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Post by: CharlesTurner on April 04, 2022, 09:42:57 AM
Not painted

The factory painted everything except the doors off the car

And the rear valence...
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Post by: shelbymann1970 on April 04, 2022, 10:41:22 AM
A pet peeve of mine is seeing the body and doors painted separately.
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Post by: Jack4159 on April 08, 2022, 03:00:44 AM
Thanks for the replies everyone, greatly appreciated.
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Post by: Jack4159 on April 26, 2022, 10:39:53 AM
Colour on at last, 4159 is coming home in 2-3 weeks after 18 months at the body shop.
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Post by: Coralsnake on April 26, 2022, 11:15:35 AM
I think it's looking good

Later when you get to stripes and emblems, let us know if you need help. You need to nail those
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Post by: Jack4159 on April 26, 2022, 11:52:11 AM
I think it's looking good

Later when you get to stripes and emblems, let us know if you need help. You need to nail those

Thanks Pete, you and others here have helped me with a lot of advice and more will be needed as the KR goes back together, greatly appreciated.
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Post by: Lincoln tech on April 26, 2022, 04:55:22 PM
Very,very Nice  ;)
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Post by: Jack4159 on May 17, 2022, 05:24:10 AM
Back in my shed after 1.5 yrs away, just came off the truck half an hour ago. Some pics, I hope you enjoy themexciting day for me !!
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Post by: Jack4159 on May 17, 2022, 05:30:44 AM
More pics
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Post by: Jack4159 on May 17, 2022, 06:08:57 AM
Annnnnd more pics.
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Post by: Jack4159 on May 17, 2022, 07:04:37 AM
More pics
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Post by: VE66RT on May 17, 2022, 05:57:10 PM
Coming along nicely Geoff.
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Post by: Jack4159 on June 26, 2022, 12:08:04 PM
So all of these bits off the KR were lightly blasted then painted satin black to keep the rust at bay, Im guessing some of these bits should not be finished that way and would be grateful if the knowledgeable folk here could advise the bits that are wrong so I can finish correctly
About to start reassembly next week.
As always, thanks in advance.
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Post by: Coralsnake on June 26, 2022, 01:14:02 PM
Rear brake drums  were cast iron

Engine brackets and bolts are bare steel

The cups for the front turn signals were gold dichromate (plated)

The power steering drag link was bate steel

The power steering ram bracket was cast iron
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Post by: Jack4159 on June 27, 2022, 07:57:05 AM
Rear brake drums  were cast iron

Engine brackets and bolts are bare steel

The cups for the front turn signals were gold dichromate (plated)

The power steering drag link was bate steel

The power steering ram bracket was cast iron

Thanks Pete, saved me hours and hors of trying to work it out!
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Post by: Jack4159 on July 26, 2022, 07:02:55 AM
Finally.....after all that pulling apart, endless research, blown budget and skinned knuckles, starting to put 4159 back together and it feels good, it will all be worth it in the end. The guy under the car isn't me that's my helper mate.
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Post by: Jack4159 on July 26, 2022, 07:08:02 AM
rest of pics, remember I'm  not going for concours just a quality resto :)
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Post by: CharlesTurner on July 26, 2022, 11:54:54 AM
Even though not going for concours, just by restoring original parts, it usually takes minimal extra effort to do them the correct finish.

Do the rear wheel wells have sound deadener?
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Post by: greekz on July 26, 2022, 02:17:45 PM
Even though not going for concours, just by restoring original parts, it usually takes minimal extra effort to do them the correct finish.

I can attest to that.  I did a non-concours level restoration on my car,6S1134, and found it was very easy to restore finishes on original parts.  Very cost effective as well.  Plus, the guidance from folks here, like Charles, Bob, Jeff, etc., saved a lot of experimentation and time.

Greek
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Post by: TA Coupe on July 26, 2022, 02:30:05 PM
Why are you using rusty old brake hardware when new stuff is under $10?
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,1968,mustang,7.0l+428cid+v8,1132366,brake+&+wheel+hub,drum+brake+hardware+kit,1752

        Roy
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Post by: J_Speegle on July 26, 2022, 03:46:50 PM
I can attest to that.  I did a non-concours level restoration on my car,6S1134, and found it was very easy to restore finishes on original parts.  Very cost effective as well. ............

Yes since you have to refinish the parts anyway might as well replicate the original finish especially on the paint and unibody. Everything else is bolt on or off after that. Also may help later when it comes time to move on or may expand options, going forward with the car.

As always good luck with your choices. Make them wisely and own them
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Post by: corbins on July 27, 2022, 07:51:58 AM
Maybe a stupid question, but why were the interior floorpans not repainted back green ?? 
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Post by: J_Speegle on July 27, 2022, 03:15:45 PM
Maybe a stupid question, but why were the interior floorpans not repainted back green ??

Maybe they made that choice since those areas will not be seen normally once the car is assembled. Plus painters are often more comfortable about controlling/limiting overspray and the like

Just one possibility that hopefully was not copied under the car
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Post by: Jack4159 on July 29, 2022, 09:16:06 AM
Why are you using rusty old brake hardware when new stuff is under $10?
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,1968,mustang,7.0l+428cid+v8,1132366,brake+&+wheel+hub,drum+brake+hardware+kit,1752

        Roy
because I got 2 beers for that $10- I saved....but really, the parts were in good shape completely functional and maybe even were made in the USA, replacements parts would remain unseen and shiny but maybe would come out of China. Also being in Australia means 2-6 weeks freight time at best, I have purchased 100's of parts and cost of part is doubled by freight, tripled with exchange rate, not relevant for $10- or an individual item but on $30k of parts comes into the overall approach, not so much for cost but just practicality from overseas and getting the car back together in a timely way.
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Post by: Jack4159 on July 29, 2022, 09:33:31 AM
Maybe a stupid question, but why were the interior floorpans not repainted back green ??

Maybe they made that choice since those areas will not be seen normally once the car is assembled. Plus painters are often more comfortable about controlling/limiting overspray and the like

Just one possibility that hopefully was not copied under the car
Thank you Jeff, you are a gentleman and absolutely correct, it was not copied under the car.
Doing my best and frankly it's tough being in Australia, in Western Australia(3000 miles from Sydney) and in a remote part of Western Australia 200 miles from a city. We don't have mustang experts let alone Shelby. Anyway, doing my best and having a crack, the car will be nice.
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Post by: Jack4159 on July 29, 2022, 09:37:33 AM
No idea why my pics are coming out upside down, I guess it's the only downside of being an Aussie. :)
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Post by: Jack4159 on July 29, 2022, 09:50:47 AM
Even though not going for concours, just by restoring original parts, it usually takes minimal extra effort to do them the correct finish.

Do the rear wheel wells have sound deadener?
Hi Charles,
Yes they do but they screwed it up a bit. I have pics of it as it was but I guess kaka happens and I have a business to run so was busy and left them to it, could have been worse, could have been better.
My approach is to get this car great not perfect, so I can get my foot to the the floor before I pop my clogs. :)


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Post by: Jack4159 on July 29, 2022, 10:05:08 AM
Progress ladies and gents.
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Post by: Jack4159 on September 03, 2022, 06:24:36 AM
Just an update with pics for anyone interested  :)
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Post by: Jack4159 on September 03, 2022, 06:28:40 AM
more pics
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Post by: Jack4159 on September 03, 2022, 06:30:45 AM
and more pics...