Hello,
i want to open a new thread with a special GT350 because it was on a trip across Europe...
and because i live in Germany, and GT350s was back in the Days very special here, for me
it is worth to do an own thread about.
Of Course, the Car that i mean is SFM 5S114
first i want and have to thank a lot of people for pre Infos and sources:
Richstang, SFM66H (Kieth), Howard Pardee
but i still search for Infos and Pics, so when you have anything please send me a message
or write it here
Most important at the moment would the two Articel shown in SAAC Magazin "The Shelby American" 36 & 37
with some pics of the Test by Fangio and Notes from Peter Brock
What i know from the Registry that 5S114 was build by SAI
in March 65 on LAX and was officially for Export to the Count Fillipinetti (Scuderia Fillipinetti)
in Geneva, Switzerland
This was done by Ship "M.S. Lista" from New York to Le Havre in French, dated 5 / 14 / 65
a month befor LeMans65 was on June
LeHavre was a very big port, where even big Container Ship could go in French
But befor given to Filipinetti the Car made an special Route to several Station,
the early Pic i know was dated in 5 / 65 befor the Eifeltower in Paris,
LeHavre to Paris is about 120 Miles
(https://abload.de/img/lehavrezueifelturmtajed.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=lehavrezueifelturmtajed.jpg)
We can see the Car very clean and fresh befor the Eifeltower in Paris,
please note the (later important) License Plate in Paris: 1A MFG 013
which indicate the Car is direct to SAI (Manufactor Plate) and even
insured and registerd over SAI in America
second note: the Mustang Emblem in the Front grill is missing at this pic
(https://abload.de/img/1965059fjx4.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1965059fjx4.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/35432k1c.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=35432k1c.jpg)
So what you Thoughts about this, intersting or just old cold cofee,
soon i will go to LeMans65 and then the journey would really begin
Greets from Germany
Cool , good idea to share here what you find out ! ;)
This car was featured in Auto Motor und Sport in the mid 60"s.
See pictures
Texas Swede
Here's the pics I have, I guess most were swiped from internet posts/sites...
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Quote from: texas swede on November 29, 2020, 07:28:20 PM
This car was featured in Auto Motor und Sport in the mid 60"s.
See pictures
Texas Swede
Thanks for posting these photos from the ?German Magazine?
What was the date of this issue?
Quote from: CharlesTurner on November 29, 2020, 09:16:07 PM
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Excellent finds. Thanks for posting.
These same photos were also found in the Revs Digital Library.
The bad news, they are all watermarked.
The good news, they were scanned at a high resolution so we can zoom in to see some details.
There are more photos at Le Mans in the link below, but you will need to scroll down to find all the GT350 photos mixed into the race event.
Most are dated June 20, 1965.
https://library.revsinstitute.org/digital/custom/results?search=shelby+Le+Mans&collection=p17257coll1&CISOSEARCHALL=shelby+Le+Mans&date=1965-1965
Szabo, another great thread ! here's one I have in my files.
Mike
Quote from: Richstang on November 29, 2020, 09:25:34 PM
Thanks for posting these photos from the ?German Magazine?
What was the date of this issue?
#20/1965
October 1965
A dutch mag and the swiss magazine Autorevue (additional pics copyrighted in their DB www.zwischengas.com) covered it as well.
I looked like crazy for this magazine and couldn't find it. Started to doubt myself as regards all the pictures I posted.
As I remember one of the pictures was showing the spare tire which I don't have. Read this article using my school German
( Swedish school) and was able to understand most of it. Will continue to look for it.
Texas Swede
Found the article and pictures. Here they are.
Texas Swede
More pictures.
Texas Swede
Quote from: TransamEd on November 30, 2020, 02:29:57 AM
Quote from: Richstang on November 29, 2020, 09:25:34 PM
Thanks for posting these photos from the ?German Magazine?
What was the date of this issue?
#20/1965
October 1965
A dutch mag and the swiss magazine Autorevue (additional pics copyrighted in their DB www.zwischengas.com) covered it as well.
Thanks for sharing that link TransAm Ed.
Without a subscription to the archive, they only offer a hint with thumbnail photos of the articles.
I found the October 1965 no20 issue in the 'Auto Motor Sport" magazine (thumbnail photos attached)
There was also a later issue with the MKI GT40 road cars in the 1966 no26 issue. I don't know that date as the photo was too small to read.
Quote from: texas swede on November 30, 2020, 08:41:13 AM
More pictures.
Texas Swede
Thanks for looking for the issue and for adding these photos.
much appreciated!
@Richstang . Yes, digging through the Zwischengas.com archive requires a subscription, which I have. Yet subscribing means to accept and follow the copyright hints not to post them in public forums and since I grew up with that in my business, I try to stay away from that. Not saying that I have been clean for decades:-)
You can see some free of charge large original size pictures of 5S114 in the following link at the bottom in the photo gallery.. (Pic 15/16/17)
https://www.zwischengas.com/de/FT/fahrzeugberichte/Springende-Mustangs-Shelby-Bullit-und-Eleanor.html?gallery=on&from=bottomgalleryteaser#gallery-15
Dear Gentleman,
WOW, what massive replys and pics and infos in only 1 Day ...
THANK YOU very much, you are jump really forward on this :-D
of course some of the pics and infos i would also share at the right timecode,
my goal is always to bring the different pics and sources in a good timeline to
make a good history.
i will some pics repost at the right time with some more infors and details,
so please stay on the thread
Quote from: CharlesTurner on November 29, 2020, 09:14:05 PM
Here's the pics I have, I guess most were swiped from internet posts/sites...
Fantastic pics and stuff, thank you very much for your support
i love always coloured pics
Quote from: honker on November 29, 2020, 09:48:14 PM
Szabo, another great thread ! here's one I have in my files.
Mike
This Pic from the parking lot / Paddock is new for me, thanks a lot,
i would repost them for better overview
For the 2nd station on the journey of 5S114 the Car goes to
the 24 Heures du Le Mans 19 & 20 June 1965
Le Mans is about 130 Miles away from Paris / Eifeltower,
the first batch of pics show 5S114 in the Paddock / Garage of Le Mans, where
SAI has some caravan to sleep in the near of the track
(https://abload.de/img/paristo24hlemansrxjwu.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=paristo24hlemansrxjwu.png)
here is the 65 Layout of the track with some buildings,
the big aera is divided in several Garage (Vert, Blanc, Blue, Rouge)
but at the moment i am not sure where the Shelby Paddock was
(https://abload.de/img/circuit_1965itks0.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=circuit_1965itks0.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/unbenannt65aekel.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=unbenannt65aekel.png)
(https://abload.de/img/unbenannt540mknb.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=unbenannt540mknb.png)
(https://abload.de/img/5s114lemans1965bhjrm.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=5s114lemans1965bhjrm.jpg)
Thanks to HONKER for the new to me Pic
(https://abload.de/img/5s114paddocklemans65r6ik1j.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=5s114paddocklemans65r6ik1j.jpg)
soon i will post the second batch of pics and his official Introduction at Le Mans
;)
;)
I remember seeing a picture when it was loaded on plane to come to France ,but i can't find it ...anybody ? Then you could even start story from USA ;)
Article in the french magazine "l'Automobile" N ° 232 August 1965 with photos taken in Riverside.
The article is from August 1965 and it is written that the owner is Alessandro de Tomaso.
thank you for all the answers ...
I am very happy that there is so much interest in 5s114 but please let's proceed chronologically, with details and locations
Sometimes I prepare for reports over weeks and hours and look for details and explanations
Please do not get me wrong on this.
Quote from: chris NOS on December 01, 2020, 03:42:27 AM
I remember seeing a picture when it was loaded on plane to come to France ,but i can't find it ...anybody ? Then you could even start story from USA ;)
that would be awesome ...
but i learned is that the Car was shipped from New York to Le Havre per ship,
so maybe the pic shows transportation from LAX to NY.
I would now like to show the second part of the Le Mans 65 pictures.
They are very different from the paddock pictures, because of the suits,
the gravel and the surroundings they look somehow noble and classy.
Most of the Pics are showed here befor, and for a long time there where new to me,
but i am not the only one who hunt for rare Pics. ;D
So i will focus on some Details and/or Pics where not be showed here...
This one is the most famous with CS and some senior member of the ACO
( Automobile Club de l'Ouest )
This automobile club organizes the 24 Hours of Le Mans.
one person is the president of the ACO, named Jean-Marie Lelievre
(https://abload.de/img/1amfg013lemans65sfm5sprjzr.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1amfg013lemans65sfm5sprjzr.jpg)
This one is important for the later discussed location Details,
so please note the one of the main platform are very empty,
no visitors or audience is seen
(https://abload.de/img/5s11465-6-20lemansbhukhl.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=5s11465-6-20lemansbhukhl.jpg)
here we see "Big Jim" James McLean drive the Shelby to the presentation aera
(https://abload.de/img/kwkky9.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=kwkky9.png)
(https://abload.de/img/indexcykh6.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=indexcykh6.png)
from the colored Pics i choose two,
in the first one showed that the Person has also a 65 Press Pack, that lies on the gravel
(https://abload.de/img/645xdjzs.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=645xdjzs.png)
the second is used to identify the windshield sticker.
(https://abload.de/img/index98tzkmp.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=index98tzkmp.png)
the first is square and shows that it belongs to one of the garages (red, blue, white ...)
(note: this is not the original !)
(https://abload.de/img/497b25ff5cb05e1165572epjad.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=497b25ff5cb05e1165572epjad.jpg)
the second is triangular and has been mirrored for the correct inscription:
"Les 24 Heures du Mans ... 1965 ... Signalisation Mulsanne"
at the Corner after the long straight road of Mulsanne was some sort of special aera
where Teamchiefs were able to pass information on to their drivers on boards, back then there was no radio or intercom
i dont know much more about that, but to pass the aera this sign was necessary
(https://abload.de/img/hf6ck88.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=hf6ck88.png)
Finally, I would like to show how big Le Mans actually was, how many people had space in the stands and how big the area was.
(https://abload.de/img/574edebc1f531s9je7.jpeg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=574edebc1f531s9je7.jpeg)
In addition, I was always interested in where the recordings were made, this artistic tower presented itself as the "BP" tower, where it was shown which driver was where at the race.
There was a small area on the start / finish straight behind the main grandstand with the paddocks where this "BP" tower was set up.
In this picture from 65 you can see the first curve after the start / finish straight, if you compare this picture with the background of the second picture from the last post you can see the platform with "HUILES RENAULT" lettering and the large grandstand with the " LUCAS "Advertising on the top
In the middle you can see the artistic display tower with the "BP" sign
(https://abload.de/img/gettyimages-99157332-ltkit.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=gettyimages-99157332-ltkit.jpg)
at this Pic from 66 we can better see the Aera behind the Main Stage with Paddock and the "BP" Sign Tower
(https://abload.de/img/1966ptj20.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1966ptj20.jpg)
i found also a Pic from the "BP" Tower for itself
(https://abload.de/img/19601wgkho.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=19601wgkho.jpg)
Now i am finished with Le Mans and now the Journey really began, forward to an unknown Alpina Pass and Italy,
please share your thoughts
Quote from: Szabo on December 01, 2020, 05:06:28 PM
I would now like to show the second part of the Le Mans 65 pictures.
here we see "Big Jim" James McLean drive the Shelby to the presentation aera
(https://abload.de/img/kwkky9.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=kwkky9.png)
(https://abload.de/img/indexcykh6.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=indexcykh6.png)
the second is triangular and has been mirrored for the correct inscription:
"Les 24 Heures du Mans ... 1965 ... Signalisation Mulsanne"
at the Corner after the long straight road of Mulsanne was some sort of special aera
where Teamchiefs were able to pass information on to their drivers on boards, back then there was no radio or intercom
i dont know much more about that, but to pass the aera this sign was necessary
(https://abload.de/img/hf6ck88.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=hf6ck88.png)
Stephan,
Thank you for all the work you are putting into this 5s114 'Journey' and also for trying to follow the date order (timecode) to help us see how it all unfolds.
Your captions are very informative and a nice addition, as opposed to just posting the photos by themselves.
The name matching photo ID for James McLean (and his nickname 'Big Jim") was a bonus for anyone looking for images of SAI employees.
It was also interesting to read about the Signal Station after the Mulsanne Straight. That was new info for me.
Neat to read the triangle pass taped on the windshield was required for the teams to access that area.
Quote from: Szabo on December 01, 2020, 05:23:39 PM
Finally, I would like to show how big Le Mans actually was, how many people had space in the stands and how big the area was.
(https://abload.de/img/574edebc1f531s9je7.jpeg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=574edebc1f531s9je7.jpeg)
In addition, I was always interested in where the recordings were made, this artistic tower presented itself as the "BP" tower, where it was shown which driver was where at the race.
There was a small area on the start / finish straight behind the main grandstand with the paddocks where this "BP" tower was set up.
In this picture from 65 you can see the first curve after the start / finish straight, if you compare this picture with the background of the second picture from the last post you can see the platform with "HUILES RENAULT" lettering and the large grandstand with the " LUCAS "Advertising on the top
In the middle you can see the artistic display tower with the "BP" sign
(https://abload.de/img/gettyimages-99157332-ltkit.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=gettyimages-99157332-ltkit.jpg)
The aerial photo only show us a hint about how large this track was. The first photo shows that front straight was longer than we might think.
It is also neat to see the area
at the end of the front straight at the beginning of the right turn. (Mulsanne corner?) I don't recall seeing that area from a distant view.
Most of the vintage photos I've looked at for LeMans are close ups of the GT40s. These are a welcome overview of the area...
Thanks again for posting all of this.
Your work is great!
I applaud you sir
Thanks Rich and Pete for your answers and praise to the work
The next section covers the journey of 5s114 from Le Mans to the Modena Autodrome,
and is based initially on a few words by Peter Brock and two pictures on the 1965gt350.com page
(https://abload.de/img/screenshot_2020-11-16vjjo6.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=screenshot_2020-11-16vjjo6.png)
This Mean that Peter Brock drives the Car over 700 Miles from Paris to Modena,
surley not an 1 Day / 1 Night Job, so it took several Days and i really dont think he was alone
(https://abload.de/img/lemansnachmailandh5jqv.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=lemansnachmailandh5jqv.png)
The further thoughts on the crossing are speculative and based on today's possibilities, there are no historical maps.
some roads were not built at that time.
the gray lines would lead through the tunnel below the mountain "Mont Blanc", but this was official first opened in JULY 1965,
so I am starting from the route after Lyon (French) to Turin (Italy) to came asap to a motorway (red line)
Brock also speaks of the "Autostrada des Sol" which leads from Milan to Modena, this is the first motorway that was built in Italy
Edith: 03.12.2021 Car has Goodyear Sticker after "Fangio Test" at the beginning of September 1965, but not shown on "Auto-, Motor-
und Sport" Test from End September / Beginning October --- Pics could only make from 07 - 10 / 1965
For the Car it is very special and only see for a very short Timecode that some "Goodyear" Sticker was on the Frontfender,
the Front Grill Mustang Emblem was installed and
please note that the Engine bay was even clean and not very dirty...
(https://abload.de/img/1amfg0133irjmh.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1amfg0133irjmh.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/5s114_02oujqb.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=5s114_02oujqb.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/5s114_06drkzk.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=5s114_06drkzk.jpg)
I tried different alpine passes to find the "wild alpine passes" but this seems impossible to me,
but I managed to find a picture that shows the car befor a large mountain covered with snow on the top.
It also shows the "Goodyear" sticker on the fender...
(https://abload.de/img/196588jyl.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=196588jyl.png)
i found also several other Pics, they clearly shows 5s114 with Goodyear sticker, there are not used to print in
car magazine i know...
But what you can see, the Engine Bay and the Carpet of the Driver side are very dirty
(of Course the Car was on a 700 Miles Journey)
(https://abload.de/img/90795827-c24a-4f7d-85r0j2m.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=90795827-c24a-4f7d-85r0j2m.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/d59f705e-abca-42fd-9fcykgc.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=d59f705e-abca-42fd-9fcykgc.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/b2eb49bc-dc23-443b-85m1ksi.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=b2eb49bc-dc23-443b-85m1ksi.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/a1852e31-c954-47e2-a4czkcb.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=a1852e31-c954-47e2-a4czkcb.jpg)
soon i will show the second part of the Car in Italy on the Modena Racetrack, and the
well known Test by Fangio.
(but maybe with some unknown Pics to that :-D)
but at the Moment i am still search for SAAC "The Shelby American" Number 36 and 37 to compare
Peter Brock thoughts and some Pics of the Fangio Test, can anyone help on this ???
Hope you enjoy and have fun to read, so share your thought and maybe some
other Pics to this Point of the Party...
A couple of interesting observations from looking at all these pictures of 5S114.
The horse emblem at the left side of the grill seems to have disappeared at some point.
The three screws holding the passenger side kick panel seem to have a larger head than the
ones normally used on restored cars.
Texas Swede
...Also the white headers, think we've discussed this before.
Stephan, it is in my view rather likely that Peter Brock went via Geneve, as the car was "handled" by Ecurie Filipinetti soon after ...(dates to be researched) the pics in front of the stone walls appear also to be from the environment of the Filipinetti castle. (check the castle environment from 1967 https://www.ina.fr/video/CPF07011761)
The car was also later picked up from magazines from Geneve/Filipineti. Aside from that most Shelbys in 1965 were adressed to and handled by Filipinetti and later Ford Performance Ltd. (founded by George) for central Europe. (with Intersport and FAV/Alan Mann being the others). The deal with the Ickx family was not closed, so Dubois got the the Benelux area.
The AMS article also speaks about picking 5S114 there in Geneve.
Bernard Cahier (SCG reporter in Europe) also mentioned that he had a hand on this car (5S114) in the travelling and coordination of the contacts with the press publications. Bernard was everywhere in the hotspots of Ford Performance including visits to Alan Mann, Goldfinger, later Grand Prix adventures and had as well a loaned Shelby in 66 (6S341 I think without reviewing again).
The reason for Brock going from Le Mans to Modena area lies most proably in the fact that the Daytona Coupes were made at Carrozeria Gransport which was across the street of the Ferrari body works Car. Fantuzzi.
Just to add a bit background.
It is also neat to see the area at the end of the front straight at the beginning of the right turn. (Mulsanne corner?) I don't recall seeing that area from a distant view.
Most of the vintage photos I've looked at for LeMans are close ups of the GT40s. These are a welcome overview of the area...
The curve at the end of the pit straight is the "Dunlop Curve" that then leads into the "Esses" where many photos of GT40's & MK-IVs were taken because it's a great photo view. Rounding Tertre Rouge heads onto the long Mulsanne straight.
Quote from: texas swede on December 02, 2020, 06:26:17 PM
A couple of interesting observations from looking at all these pictures of 5S114.
The horse emblem at the left side of the grill seems to have disappeared at some point.
The three screws holding the passenger side kick panel seem to have a larger head than the
ones normally used on restored cars.
Texas Swede
Looks like a red cap Autolite battery with raised warning lettering also...
Quote from: 6R07mi on December 03, 2020, 01:14:03 PM
It is also neat to see the area at the end of the front straight at the beginning of the right turn. (Mulsanne corner?) I don't recall seeing that area from a distant view.
Most of the vintage photos I've looked at for LeMans are close ups of the GT40s. These are a welcome overview of the area...
The curve at the end of the pit straight is the "Dunlop Curve" that then leads into the "Esses" where many photos of GT40's & MK-IVs were taken because it's a great photo view. Rounding Tertre Rouge heads onto the long Mulsanne straight.
Thanks for the Photo, i dont know the Name of the first Curve
the Mulsanne Curve was a lot more edged and with less action from vierwers or platforms
and there was no BP Tower at all
Thanks TransamEd for your thoughts,
in some of your words i can agree but sometimes even not so...
Quote from: TransamEd on December 03, 2020, 02:14:12 AM
Stephan, it is in my view rather likely that Peter Brock went via Geneve, as the car was "handled" by Ecurie Filipinetti soon after ...(dates to be researched)
Filipinetti was on Hand at the first Day, he was also on LeMans of 65 ...
Of course it would be possible that Brock drove via Geneva, but he would then also put it on the record, right?
The castle is located in the middle of Switzerland and the passage would also have been at least a 1 day tour.
I added the lock to the map to show the deviation from the original route ...
(https://abload.de/img/asdf1htk0r.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=asdf1htk0r.jpg)
Howard Pardee sent me the Info that Fitipilinetti was "invoicd" for 3000 Dollar on 29 September 1965 ...
Sure somebody befor was necessary to check the Car, give Oil and Service at all... but when i look on a little timeline
i think the Car was in Italy about June / July and then go back
I dont understand the term "invoiced" not so good in German ...
does this means the SAI send Filipinetti a Bill over 3000 Dollar for the used Shelby GT350 with
surely over 2000 Miles on it ???
the pics in front of the stone walls appear also to be from the environment of the Filipinetti castle. (check the castle environment from 1967 https://www.ina.fr/video/CPF07011761)
i checked the video many times, and also compare to the very good Google Street view pics... it would take to long in this
thread to explain that the pics doesnt take on the Castle, when described simply the walls are to high at all sides ...
and the tour the cars take in the video is also the only way to get in or out with a car to the castle
Check the google street view, you can even go thruw the wood gates ... exact like 67
But i agree that the textur of the stones are similar to the castle, but there are more Castles in French an Italy also..
The car was also later picked up from magazines from Geneve/Filipineti. Aside from that most Shelbys in 1965 were adressed to and handled by Filipinetti and later Ford Performance Ltd. (founded by George) for central Europe. (with Intersport and FAV/Alan Mann being the others). The deal with the Ickx family was not closed, so Dubois got the the Benelux area.
The AMS article also speaks about picking 5S114 there in Geneve.
The only article on a magazin i know where it is spoken that the car is taken from Geneva is the AMS Articel from
October 1965 ... thats would fit very good to that "Invoiced" Term on 29 September 1965
all other Articel i know shows Pics from Modena Racetrack ...
When you have such other magazin i would appreciate it very much to see them ...
Bernard Cahier (SCG reporter in Europe) also mentioned that he had a hand on this car (5S114) in the travelling and coordination of the contacts with the press publications. Bernard was everywhere in the hotspots of Ford Performance including visits to Alan Mann, Goldfinger, later Grand Prix adventures and had as well a loaned Shelby in 66 (6S341 I think without reviewing again).
The reason for Brock going from Le Mans to Modena area lies most proably in the fact that the Daytona Coupes were made at Carrozeria Gransport which was across the street of the Ferrari body works Car. Fantuzzi.
Just to add a bit background.
There was surley a strong connection between Brock an Italy Carrozeria Gransport and De Tomaso also ...
Daytona Coupe, Super Coupe Type 65 and the De Tomaso P70 are some example, but i am not so common to
the only dates when the only cars was make ...
in the last posts i forgot to ad a little timeline ...
03 / 1965 - Car finished on SAI
05 / 14 / 1965 - Car came to Le Havre per Ship and go to Paris for "Eifeltower" Shoot
06 / 19 & 20 / 1965 - Le Mans 1965 car was on several Pics shown
06 / ? ? ? / 1965 - going over Alpine pass to Italy, driven by Peter Brock
06 / befor 29 / 1965 - Test Autodromo di Modena with Fangio
so i would continue with the Journey and come to the Autodromo di Modena
De Tomaso had business ties with Shelby, so it is not surprising that the car was loaned out for Puplic Relations,
anybody knows if Italy has an Importeur for 65 / 66 Shelbys ?
The Test drive from Fangio should be known from the most of us but i hope to get some
new pics and content
The "LA Times" brought a Articel from a Italy Newspaper about a "Cobra-Mustang Test with Fangio"
i was not able to get the hole articel from the LA Times, but i found out the Articel was
released on 06 / 29 / 1965 ... so the Test with Fangio shortly befor
(https://abload.de/img/196506latimesrykfe.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=196506latimesrykfe.png)
of the later relased Road & Track Articel in November 1965 it is known the
Photograph was a Pete Coltrin
after a long time of search i was very happy to find the original
film Negative of the shootings ... 35 Pics pure pleasure
(https://abload.de/img/196506fangio1ojfu.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=196506fangio1ojfu.jpg)
Thankfully i was allowed to show the negativ, for more information and the oppotunity
to geht larger pics and posters from the negatives look at the homepage
(please note the the Date 29 / 07 / 1965 cant be right, because of the LA Articel)
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The Road & Track Articel researched the "LA Times" article or the Italian original article very well
and describes that various things like "Cobra-Mustang" or 3500 cc are simply wrong ...
even Fangio's lap time doesn't seem to be right
The Italian Verb "La Bugia ha le Gambe Corte" means "Lies have short legs" and
indicate that the italien Articel was not very well reported to the facts...
i also find a Mini Pic of De Tomaso with 5s114 on a later Articel,
argentinian auto magazine, the text has nothing to do with the test ...
(https://abload.de/img/rtznejgq.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=rtznejgq.png)
By the way, it was not unusal that Fangio make test ride on the Modena race track
here you can see him on the track with Mercedes 600
(https://abload.de/img/unbenanntjjj1hjxn.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=unbenanntjjj1hjxn.png)
Hope you enjoy and share your thoughts,
next step is to show some Magazin Test from the Car in Europe
Nice work !
The other journalist who wrote about 5S114 was Etienne Cornil, his pics appeared in Automundo, a dutch magazine (probably Autovisie) and a french one (L'automobile Aout 65). All 3 articles mention that the car "belonged" to De Tomaso at that time (Automundo was first July 28th, 1965). His pics are visible here at
https://www.facebook.com/archivodeautos/posts/1193353404034873/
Stephan, you may be right that the castle could be also an italian one, but since they are sourced from Autorevue/Switzerland based in Geneve, I still think they are from that area, maybe after it returned from Italy. I may review Bernard Cahiers written comment meanwhile on 5S114 back then, while I was in touch with him for other pictures.
Hello all
and TransamED
It seems like the story has already been told ...
You are absolutely right that the journalist Etienne Cornil wrote the
basic article and that the pictures are very similar until the same ...
(i hoped a little bit that was a little secret to that point)
If you translate the articles you can see that they are very similar to the same.
Etienne wrote that the GT350 belongs to De Tomaso ...
The pictures were all taken at the Autodromo di Modena during the test with Fangio.
it was not unsual that a Journalist sells his story to several different magazine.
I still hope to be able to give you a good and well-founded insight into the 3 articles and pictures and the magazines.
I still hope to be able to give you a good and well-founded insight into the
1 to 3 articles and pictures and the magazines.
First Magazine to show is
Automondo from 28 07 1965
the magazine was Argentinian and the language was Spanish ...
(https://abload.de/img/19650728automondonr.1g6kp5.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=19650728automondonr.1g6kp5.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/automondoe7j7d.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=automondoe7j7d.png)
(https://abload.de/img/mustang-shelby-350-gtodkga.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=mustang-shelby-350-gtodkga.jpg)
please note that this Pic has a other underground, the dont stand on asphalt, it stands on gras
(https://abload.de/img/mustang-shelby-350-gtaqj5r.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=mustang-shelby-350-gtaqj5r.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/mustang-shelby-350-gt8wjk9.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=mustang-shelby-350-gt8wjk9.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/mustang-shelby-350-gt21jg6.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=mustang-shelby-350-gt21jg6.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/mustang-shelby-350-gt3xjjc.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=mustang-shelby-350-gt3xjjc.jpg)
the second magazine was
L´Automobil August 1965
this was a french magazine
only the street pics are from the Autodromo di Modena Test, the other are from Introduction Day from Riverside 27 Januar 1965
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(https://abload.de/img/lautomobilen232aout19qjkwm.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=lautomobilen232aout19qjkwm.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/lautomobilen232aout19z3jq5.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=lautomobilen232aout19z3jq5.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/lautomobilen232aout19lojxn.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=lautomobilen232aout19lojxn.jpg)
the last magazine i know was
Autovisie 1965
this was from Netherland in dutch language
the car stands on gras, but when you look on the first test, you see that is clearly the same car and test...
(https://abload.de/img/dutschtest0qkda.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=dutschtest0qkda.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/shelby65testbhejdz.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=shelby65testbhejdz.jpg)
the updated timeline
03 / 1965 - Car finished on SAI
05 / 14 / 1965 - Car came to Le Havre per Ship and go to Paris for "Eifeltower" Shoot
06 / 19 & 20 / 1965 - Le Mans 1965 car was on several Pics shown
06 / ? ? ? / 1965 - going over Alpine pass to Italy, driven by Peter Brock
06 / befor 29 / 1965 - Test Autodromo di Modena with Fangio
07 - 08 / 1965 Pics of the Car appears in 3 Magazine (Automondeo 7/65, L´Automobil 8/65 and Autovisie)
09 / 29 / 1965 SAI invoice Filipinetti 3000 Dollar for 5s114
10 / 1965 Car was back in Geneva and "Auto, Motor und Sport" Magazin test drive from Geneva to Stuttgart and back
11 / 65 Road & Track research the Story of LA-Times, the Italian Newspaper and the Test with Fangio
The Last test i know was
Auto, Motor und Sport 10 / 1965
Test was in german and Car was driven from Geneva to Stuttgart and back
Headquarter of Auto, Motor und Sport (in english Car, Engine and Sport) was near of my hometown in Stuttgart City
and i am sure the pics where made on the "Schloss Solitude" but why the heck dont make with the Castle in the backround ???
i was able to find out with some Google Street View Pics where the Car stands.
i wrote the edorital staff and was promised to get contact to the Archiv but at this point i get no email back.
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(https://abload.de/img/196510amstest1c7jub.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=196510amstest1c7jub.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/11vxj9u.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=11vxj9u.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/12ihkhx.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=12ihkhx.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/13yojvr.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=13yojvr.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/14tbkf5.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=14tbkf5.jpg)
i make a analysed the pics and try to find the spot where the Car stands...
but the question is why they make pics with the Castle in the backround ?
(https://abload.de/img/unbenanntddduzka6.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=unbenanntddduzka6.png)
(https://abload.de/img/unbenanntasdeckgb.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=unbenanntasdeckgb.png)
(https://abload.de/img/unbenanntiiiq8kxu.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=unbenanntiiiq8kxu.png)
After returning the Car back to Geneva i lost the route ... all i get from Howard is that the Car was on 2002 still in the
Hand of a Swiss Family and are in good condition.
i will do research to get new content ...
but for this i am finished with all i find
Let me know what you think about all that, have you find other things from the car
i would be very happy to find more...
thanks all for watching and reading
Greets from Germany
Stephan
Good to see the 3 articles in higher res, I had them only in lower resolution from other sources.
I wonder a bit about the actual sale date 29.Sept.65 and AMS being published 02.Oct.
Obviously the car was driven by AMS at least 3 weeks before the 2nd. October. The normal publishing delay was about 2 weeks in those days (writing/editing/proofreading/print prep and finally printing and distribution and then subscribers got the mag typically a few days before the 2nd. Oct. Not important, but it would only tell that the car was sold to Filipinetti after the AMS actual test drive.
The article might have been written even earlier.
The car was later sold to 2 brothers who had it on display in their bar/pub/restaurant. I have the name, but I think they do not want their name here. For a long time the saying was that it was hanging under the ceiling, yet a friend from the swiss Mustang club told me after a visit at that time, that it was standing on its own wheels there together with other Shelby engines collected. Would be good to find pictures.
The car later was bought by the current owners - an italian family living in Switzerland which is listed in the registry.
Still i don't undesrtand why the autor wrote 350 GT for the model ... needed to translate GT350 ?!!!!
Major magazines that only produced one issue a month had a lead time of anywhere from two to three months (Road and Track, Motor Trend, etc.). Many of the other competition oriented magazines were usually only about a week to three weeks behind in current affairs (Autosport, Competition Press and Autoweek, etc.).
Quote from: CharlesTurner on December 03, 2020, 02:05:02 PM
Quote from: texas swede on December 02, 2020, 06:26:17 PM
A couple of interesting observations from looking at all these pictures of 5S114.
The horse emblem at the left side of the grill seems to have disappeared at some point.
The three screws holding the passenger side kick panel seem to have a larger head than the
ones normally used on restored cars.
Texas Swede
Looks like a red cap Autolite battery with raised warning lettering also...
Regular Mustang post orientation and 24F battery. The reverse post batteries used with the Cobra vent caps are in future production.
Thanks for your replys,
i was a few days off and on research,
unfortunately i get no Email from the "Auto, Motor und Sport" editorial staff
i found a nice negativ pic from the Paris, Eifeltower shoot
on the Homepage from Vernon Estes
http://www.vernonestesclassics.com/memorabiliaandparts/fordperformancebook-9r796-3lab7-yar6d-tprsc-58wm3-4hrpn-p9z4d-ml6m9-l9mpt
i mirrod it and so we can it in full glory
(https://abload.de/img/51ksjeu.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=51ksjeu.jpg)
Hey all,
I found a color photo from the Modena test by Fangio.
since most are only black and white, color photos always delight my eye
In contrast to the black and white photo from the Automondo Magazin, the pic have another angle
It is also from a German / French newspaper / magazine, but unfortunately I cannot determine the source ...
Pic from the Automondo Magazin
(https://abload.de/img/mustang-shelby-350-gtj1kw0.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=mustang-shelby-350-gtj1kw0.jpg)
the new color Pic
(https://abload.de/img/p11106497mkno.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p11106497mkno.jpg)
Greets from Germany
Szabo
Quote from: Szabo on December 04, 2020, 05:12:57 PM
the last magazine i know was
Autovisie 1965
this was from Netherland in dutch language
the car stands on gras, but when you look on the first test, you see that is clearly the same car and test...
I think this article was also posted a few years ago (and got lost when there were forum issues I think). I posted a translation back then (I'm dutch). I'll check if I still have it somewhere.
After a while and on the research on i am glad to find a new
breadcumb and a new to me Point of 5S114
after the Test from Modena the Automondo Magazin 5 1965 Post the main story, the car stands on the track
the Dutch Magazin Autovisie (Date unkown) also post from the Same Modena Test, the car stands on Gras
Now i found on the Cover of Automondo Magazin 03 1966 Pics from the Modena Test,
but in beauytifull color and Car stands on Gras ...
Both Magazin has her stories from Etienne Cornill, but this new find is the perfect link that
Mr. Cornill has more than one set of Pics and selling them to both magazine.
(https://abload.de/img/automondo23march1966eej0g.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=automondo23march1966eej0g.jpg)
also a different angel of the Pic like in the Autovisie Magazin
(https://abload.de/img/unbenannt314k5x.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=unbenannt314k5x.jpg)
also on the second pic, the car stands on the track
(https://abload.de/img/unbenannt2hwkwg.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=unbenannt2hwkwg.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/unbenannt1u2kcc.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=unbenannt1u2kcc.jpg)
of course the Car is titeld on the cover as a 66 GT350 is not real,
inside the Magazin only a few words are made in italy that the 1966 version
was offerd for sale and the Car was on Automondo Mag 18 of 1965 and
on Automondo Mag 36 of 1965 was a preview on the 66 Models
(only known Pics from LAX, the Press Pic for 66 Models and a long text)
(https://abload.de/img/unbenannt4puk3a.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=unbenannt4puk3a.jpg)
the rest of the Articel, i did the engine pic resized
maybe some news for the technical guys here...
Hope you enjoy
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cool thank you for sharing !
Hello everyone,
I'm always interested in finding new connections to my favorite topics.
By sheer coincidence, I recently came across a connection that I call Extremely "Happy".
There is a car yearbook called "Automobil-Jahr" from a Swiss publisher from Lousanne that I had never heard of before.
It only comes out once a year and has about 300 pages.
Well for 65 there was a synopsis and when I read "Mustang 350 GT" test, I was very interested.
Switzerland, Ecurie Filipinetti took over the car, test ... I hoped for the best and was not disappointed.
The test sheds further light on the darkness in several areas:
- The picture was known, but thanks to the report it finally has a date and a place. (and a much higher resolution)
The report describes that the test took place at the beginning of September, and the place is a pass road, in the background actually the mountain range "Mount Blanc"
- After the Fangio test and Etienne Cornil's test (end of June), it is the first time that he appears with the "Goodyear" sticker on the fender at the beginning of September. and Sport "test at the end of September / beginning of October were again none applied.
I'll modify the timeline accordingly.
I hope you continued to have fun and think the news is good.
Greetings from Germany
Stephan
The report was also translated in other langauges, i found one in English,
the Report by itself has some funny moments, it is pleasure to read.
(https://abload.de/img/vvggno1jr3.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=vvggno1jr3.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/p111098489k1t.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p111098489k1t.jpg)
a nice bonus and new found Pic is the sideview
(https://abload.de/img/p1110985elk8g.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=p1110985elk8g.jpg)
the translated articel in english
(https://abload.de/img/xxxxy1k34.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=xxxxy1k34.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/s-l1600rajqd.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=s-l1600rajqd.jpg)
the updated timeline
03 / 1965 - Car finished on SAI
05 / 14 / 1965 - Car came to Le Havre per Ship and go to Paris for "Eifeltower" Shoot
06 / 19 & 20 / 1965 - Le Mans 1965 car was on several Pics shown
06 / ? ? ? / 1965 - going over Alpine pass to Italy, driven by Peter Brock
06 / befor 29 / 1965 - Test Autodromo di Modena with Fangio
06 / 29 / 1965 - LA Times Articel of "Modena" Test with Fangio
07 - 08 / 1965 Pics of the Car appears in 3 Magazine (Automondeo 7/65, Autovisie 7/65, L´Automobil 8/65)
NEW: 09 / beginning / 1966 Car was tested from "Automobil Year Annual" from Lousanne, driving Italy back to Suiss
First Time car is showed with "Goodyear" Stickers on Fenders
09 / 29 / 1965 SAI invoice Filipinetti 3000 Dollar for 5s114
09 - 10 / befor 20 / 1965 Car was back in Geneva and "Auto, Motor und Sport" Magazin test drive from Geneva to Stuttgart and back,
no "Goodyear" Sticker on Fender
11 / 65 Road & Track research the Story of LA-Times, the Italian Newspaper and the Test with Fangio