the rear bumper on my car needs a re chrome BUT has a college parking sticker from 1968-69 still on it and in good shape i got the car from the original owner. So I thought id get a reproduction till I decide what to do. Keep the old with the sticker on it, re chrome and do without the sticker, try to remove the sticker.
Anyway after some on line research i went with the CJ's rear bumper. Other than it being 1/8 inch too wide and the braces having a 1/4 gap due to the angle, the square bolt holes being misaligned and the replacement bolts 1/8 inch larger head diameter, they were perfect!
Anything out there of excellent quality that you guys have installed? thanks
Quote from: hurlbird on December 27, 2020, 12:42:01 PM
the rear bumper on my car needs a re chrome BUT has a college parking sticker from 1968-69 still on it and in good shape i got the car from the original owner. So I thought id get a reproduction till I decide what to do. Keep the old with the sticker on it, re chrome and do without the sticker, try to remove the sticker.
Anyway after some on line research i went with the CJ's rear bumper. Other than it being 1/8 inch too wide and the braces having a 1/4 gap due to the angle, the square bolt holes being misaligned and the replacement bolts 1/8 inch larger head diameter, they were perfect!
Anything out there of excellent quality that you guys have installed? thanks
Doesn't that just drive you crazy? There are so many things that have been reposed for early Mustang and Shelby's that are just plain junk. Would it really have been so much more money to get it right the first time? I can think of dashes, quarter panels, bumpers, and window gaskets just for a start that no one really makes an accurate reproduction of. Sad. :'(
who is giving all the positive feedback on these products? I read 8-10 very positive comments. Must be false...
Quote from: hurlbird on December 27, 2020, 01:26:52 PM
who is giving all the positive feedback on these products? I read 8-10 very positive comments. Must be false...
There are companies that place bogus + feedback on behalf of companies who pay them to offset and bury negative feedback. I wouldn't be surprise to know that same thing isn't applied to some of these poorer repro reviews.
A side note but on topic, go find a good graphics shop and have them reproduce the college sticker to add to your re-chromed bumper.
Good idea on the graphics shop.
Maybe you could somehow bake the new sticker on a cookie sheet in the oven until it gets "patina" cracks.**
Not over 451F however. ;D ;D
**I've never tried it, and my wife doesn't let me near the oven, so use your own judgment.
thanks... Nobody has a quality reproduction source?
Quote from: BGlover67 on December 27, 2020, 01:24:20 PM
Quote from: hurlbird on December 27, 2020, 12:42:01 PM
the rear bumper on my car needs a re chrome BUT has a college parking sticker from 1968-69 still on it and in good shape i got the car from the original owner. So I thought id get a reproduction till I decide what to do. Keep the old with the sticker on it, re chrome and do without the sticker, try to remove the sticker.
Anyway after some on line research i went with the CJ's rear bumper. Other than it being 1/8 inch too wide and the braces having a 1/4 gap due to the angle, the square bolt holes being misaligned and the replacement bolts 1/8 inch larger head diameter, they were perfect!
Anything out there of excellent quality that you guys have installed? thanks
Doesn't that just drive you crazy? There are so many things that have been reposed for early Mustang and Shelby's that are just plain junk. Would it really have been so much more money to get it right the first time? I can think of dashes, quarter panels, bumpers, and window gaskets just for a start that no one really makes an accurate reproduction of. Sad. :'(
When it comes to sheet metal parts making a set of dies to stamp out parts are not cost effective for a limited run(even using China). There are factors in sheet metal stamping where unless the original dies were saved and kept in good shape it would be difficult without spending well into the 6 figures for a set of dies to stamp out a part consistent with the factory sheet metal.While technology has vastly improved the cost to make dies it is still costly for limited runs and those making the parts are in business to make $$$ off their investments. Most repo stamped metal to me are done using short cuts and it appears "manual labor" for some processes and why parts vary. Why other parts that would use molds are not made correctly are a mystery to me. Gary
LOL, the same thing happened to me. I had a 66, I ordered a rear bumper from CJPP. Bumper bolts would not work, they were off over 1/4 inch! I thought the car had rear damage, which it did not, (it was a beautiful California car that sat from 1975 until 2014). This is where it get good. I called CJPP and told them about it. They wanted pictures???!!!!?!?!?! Ever try to get pictures of chrome? Anyway, I got my tape measure out and proved with the pictures that it was not properly manufactured. I got the typical like that CJPP uses. "We have not had any other costumer complaints about this." OK well pictures do not lie. So after complaining more, they said OK we will replace it, I said, are you selling a different brand? They said, "No" it will be the same one we sent you. I thought, Hmmmm so what if its the same? I decided to say, "OK please send me another one." They then told me, "Just return it to us and we will ship out another one." I then asked about a "call tag" they said, I was responsible for shipping, I priced shipping and it was about 40 bucks, I called them and told them that and they said, sorry you have to pay for shipping, I said I have to pay for a defective bumper's return? It was a big fat YES. I decided to just order another one......and when I got it, guess what....it was a big fat NO GO, NO FIT. SO I called my credit card and reversed the charges for both bumpers. That was the LAST time I ever dealt with CJPP.
To end this story, I ordered a bumper form a company called "Dorman"??? I think, and it fit like a glove and looked great....BUT I still dont recommend any repro, because you just do not know what you will get.
On to my Boss 302's rear bumper, fits like (you know what), I have been looking for an original Ford bumper for years now, the re-poop is still on my restored beautiful car. That sucks!
Sorry for the rant, but it is just unreal.
The rear bumper on my car is an NOS Ford one from 1977. I took it out of the wrapper myself. It fit like a glove and it's a thing of beauty! Lines in the Chrome at all! My front bumper is a repro. I put it on in 2008 so I don't remember the brand but it did fit well and the chrome WAS excellent. My car sits in the garage most of the time but in the last 2 year's I've noticed the chrome on the front bumper getting cloudy. So not only do some of the bumpers not fit well. The chrome doesn't last like on original bumpers. I'm always looking for a really nice nos Ford 67/68 front bumper for a concourse car.
I guess I am not shocked a cheap, off shore bumper does not fit.
I am also not shocked some selling that item would lie and say they never had issues before or wouldn't stand behind it
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 28, 2020, 01:35:20 PM
I guess I am not shocked a cheap, off shore bumper does not fit.
I am also not shocked some selling that item would lie and say they never had issues before or wouldn't stand behind it
Don't be, believe me....I would not make that up. It was crazy. I bought it from them on ebay and it was too long for ebay to do anything about it and believe it or not I left them bad feedback and they blocked me from buying from them on ebay, but I was able to still buy from them if I wanted to on the website. I will not buy anything from them. I did give them a poor rating on Google....but I think that never went anywhere....
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 28, 2020, 01:35:20 PM
I guess I am not shocked a cheap, off shore bumper does not fit.
I am also not shocked some selling that item would lie and say they never had issues before or wouldn't stand behind it
I remember doing my 68 Shelby back in 2007-9 and not being able to find the DS inner door handle(bought the car in pieces). I bought a Scott Drake and it was clocked wrong on the spline. I believe when I mentioned it on another forum Tim Lea mentioned that is why NOS ones are so expensive. It seemed the Mustang world knew about that for a long time. When I called Scott Drake an employee told me that was the first they have heard of that. ??? . That it would take months for them to correct it. I "finessed" the inner door so the handle fit correctly. Seems that is the standard action-they were surprised and nobody else has ever mentioned it. I bet they are still clocked wrong. Gary
As of 2012, those driver side inner handles we're still clocked wrong. Luckily I finally found an NOS one.
Quote from: 68stangcjfb on December 28, 2020, 12:43:43 PM
The rear bumper on my car is an NOS Ford one from 1977. I took it out of the wrapper myself. It fit like a glove and it's a thing of beauty! Lines in the Chrome at all! My front bumper is a repro. I put it on in 2008 so I don't remember the brand but it did fit well and the chrome WAS excellent. My car sits in the garage most of the time but in the last 2 year's I've noticed the chrome on the front bumper getting cloudy. So not only do some of the bumpers not fit well. The chrome doesn't last like on original bumpers. I'm always looking for a really nice nos Ford 67/68 front bumper for a concourse car.
Back in the early 80s I bought a couple of bumpers for a resto of a 69 from Ford(I got a 20 percent discount at the dealership thanks to my Father-in-law being a Ford employee). The trim condition was horrible compared to my originals and of course the chrome was average at best. Being in the field of stamping off and on as a Die Maker for decades I knew even as a "fresh Die Maker" that who ever fixed the trim die didn't give a crap about doing it right-service parts. Jagged edges from bad trim steels or improperly fit trim steels. I paid twice the price of new bumpers back then to have my originals done at a chrome shop. I caution anyone buying "NOS" bumpers and look at the date codes if they are there on the shipping wrappers-kinda like buying 67-68 rocker moldings. 69 stamped pieces are different than 2001 stamped pieces. Gary
Quote from: 68stangcjfb on December 29, 2020, 09:20:34 AM
As of 2012, those driver side inner handles we're still clocked wrong. Luckily I finally found an NOS one.
on the DS because you are always pulling up I took my holes and elongated them with a carbide burr in the circular pattern so I could rotate my handle . Kept doing it until it was almost parallel to the ground. It was as far as I could go. looks better than it nothing was done. Pretty close to pass side factory handle. Gary
Quote from: hurlbird on December 27, 2020, 12:42:01 PM
the rear bumper on my car needs a re chrome BUT has a college parking sticker from 1968-69 still on it and in good shape i got the car from the original owner. So I thought id get a reproduction till I decide what to do. Keep the old with the sticker on it, re chrome and do without the sticker, try to remove the sticker.
Anyway after some on line research i went with the CJ's rear bumper. Other than it being 1/8 inch too wide and the braces having a 1/4 gap due to the angle, the square bolt holes being misaligned and the replacement bolts 1/8 inch larger head diameter, they were perfect!
Anything out there of excellent quality that you guys have installed? thanks
My 68 Shelby came with repo bumpers "new in the wrappers". I don't recall the rear having fit problems. Here is a pic of the rear. they would have been purchased by PO in the 90s. They were NORDAN bumpers. https://www.vintage-mustang.com/threads/nordan-bumpers.330775/ Gary
Getting off topic but those long window cranks are not correct for a deluxe interior.
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ill send mine out for rechrome and try to save the sticker. I have a Pontiac with repro rear bumper I bought 16 years ago. Fit great and still look great. Hoped for the same experience here. Oh well!
There is no good answer here. My last two experiences with two different platers left me having to write ugly letters to get back the parts they lost. The shop that lost my very, very rare Italian stuff closed about a week after we had it out.
John
Multiple by a thousand and you can start to feel what these people restoring cars are dealing with
I just got a rear bumper from Branda and had the same fitment issues. used shims between the bracket and bumper to help. Now the issue is the ends are about an inch below the end caps. I can't raise it by shimming because it is almost up against the taillight panel. Probably all these repros come from the same manufacturer. Mine has a Taiwan sticker on it. I would have re-chromed the original bumper but is has a dent in it.
Just curious are you expecting the bumper to be higher?
Its designed to have that gap.
(http://www.thecoralsnake.com/2356.jpg)
Is Nordan still around?
Worst fitting bumper I have ever seen, 69 70 Mustang rear bumpers. Not sure on the 69 70 Shelbys.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on August 29, 2021, 08:08:37 AM
Worst fitting bumper I have ever seen, 69 70 Mustang rear bumpers. Not sure on the 69 70 Shelbys.
Again depends on the manufacturer and when made. This is a Nordan put on my car back around 1990. I assume Nordan because the front bumper had a NORDAN sticker on it when I replaced it. This one fits good. Original rechromed bumper on the Shelby. Repo on the Mach1. last pic an all original car never taken apart stored since the early 70s(blown engine)
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 28, 2020, 01:35:20 PM
I guess I am not shocked a cheap, off shore bumper does not fit.
It fits the knock off body shell perfect. They are probably stamping the bumper and them punching the holes. The original tooling would have produced the whole part with one crunch of the dies.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on August 29, 2021, 08:08:37 AM
Worst fitting bumper I have ever seen, 69 70 Mustang rear bumpers. Not sure on the 69 70 Shelbys.
69/70 Mustang and Shelby rear bumpers are the same.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on August 29, 2021, 09:35:48 AM
Quote from: Coralsnake on December 28, 2020, 01:35:20 PM
I guess I am not shocked a cheap, off shore bumper does not fit.
It fits the knock off body shell perfect. They are probably stamping the bumper and them punching the holes. The original tooling would have produced the whole part with one crunch of the dies.
I work in sheet metal stampings and have since 1978. You would have a multiple of dies to get your end result for a bumper or any other body part. Usually no less than 4. The problem lies when off shore companies eliminate the die stamping processes and do some things by hand or not at all because dies are NOT cheap or they don't spend the time($$$) making sure their end product is "dead nuts on". Here in the USA our ave die cost per die is 250-300K and we have been working on getting that down but will never compete with China for a number of reasons and one major one is material cost on the onset. Our raw materials cost us more that it costs China to make a die including their material cost the last time I went through the cost meetings.
One good example were the stamping of "full" 69-70 Mustang fastback quarters for a long time before dynacorn came out with a real full quarter. To get a factory stamping the 3rd or 4th operation would flange(tuck) in the lower rear quarter for the drain design. Repos never had that. You got the draw die shape which cannot "tuck" so the trunk drop off never fit and the flange sits way too low and sticks out like a sore thumb.
On new dies we do "first panel scans" and score out panels. What is off due to spring back or bolster flex is digitized and sent back to die design/engineering to correct. We are finally with new technology being able to predict better spring back and bolster flex to the tune our first panel score are much higher. 90 plus is what it takes for a buyoff panel. We have hit a few panels in the 90s the first time in the last year. Drives down iterations and cost and ups advanced die delivery time(BIG deal) to assy plants. That is what we need to do to survive as a UAW Die shop inside of GM. Because of this we are bringing more work back inhouse this year and hiring a lot of Die makers.
Usually you have a draw die, first trim die(direct). second trim/flange, cam trim cam flange and pierce. Sometimes you need 5 dies to perform all the tasks. Piercing holes are usually done in the last die after the panel is "set" after flanging. Variables to this process is why we have die designers and die engineers which we work with in our facility. I'd post pics of all the operations(planning showing all dies and what they do) but don't want to get fired. This process can easily be found online I'd think. Gary
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 29, 2021, 10:01:27 AM
Quote from: 67 GT350 on August 29, 2021, 08:08:37 AM
Worst fitting bumper I have ever seen, 69 70 Mustang rear bumpers. Not sure on the 69 70 Shelbys.
69/70 Mustang and Shelby rear bumpers are the same.
Yes they are, but not sure of the fit around the endcap. Just thinking one or the other, (Mustang or Shelby) might fit different.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on August 29, 2021, 12:52:08 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on August 29, 2021, 10:01:27 AM
Quote from: 67 GT350 on August 29, 2021, 08:08:37 AM
Worst fitting bumper I have ever seen, 69 70 Mustang rear bumpers. Not sure on the 69 70 Shelbys.
69/70 Mustang and Shelby rear bumpers are the same.
Yes they are, but not sure of the fit around the endcap. Just thinking one or the other, (Mustang or Shelby) might fit different.
The Shelby end caps were designed around the stock bumper so the fit on the 69/70 Shelby has the same range of fit as on the regular Mustang . The same way as on the 67/68 Shelby.
Enjoy...
WOW beautiful!!! So if interested in this fit, call CJ! The nice thing is they will gladly take the return, as long as you pay the shipping!
More to enjoy...
It seems you have to get an NOS one or re chrome an original to get a good fit. Mine had 1977 date on the wrapper. It fits well.
Quote from: Coralsnake on August 28, 2021, 10:52:27 AM
Just curious are you expecting the bumper to be higher?
Its designed to have that gap.
The original bumper had about half this gap.
Related to this topic are there any good "full service" rechrome shops left? By full service I mean will fix dings or fill holes.
We recently installed a reproduction rear bumper from NPD on the rear of a one owner 68 GT Coupe we are restorting and it fit nicely with no issues. We also installed a front bumper from Virginia Mustang without any issues. Both bumper appeared to be from the same vendor and had very nice chrome. (We temporarily went with repro parts due to a delay with our chromer)