These questions concern the export mounting bracket at the cowl for March built 66 Shelbys.
My L angle mounting bracket was skip welded to the cowl. Was this the way it was done?
I suppose it was done that way to not warp the cowl.
It was obvious the worker beat the heck out of the cowl before mounting it. I am surprised he didn't damage the cowl. After it was welded it was heavily coated on all four sides and over the face of it with what looks like a brown seam sealer. Then it was painted over.
How was this bracket painted? Spray can, brush or out of a gun?
Thanks.
Quote from: hertz350 on January 10, 2021, 02:29:55 PM
These questions concern the export mounting bracket at the cowl for March built 66 Shelbys.
My L angle mounting bracket was skip welded to the cowl. Was this the way it was done?
I suppose it was done that way to not warp the cowl.
Here are three examples from around the same time period. On all three you can make out the welding points along the upper edge
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/15/6-100121145110.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/15/6-100121145232.jpeg)
Less visible on this example
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/15/6-100121145220.jpeg)
Quote from: hertz350 on January 10, 2021, 02:29:55 PMHow was this bracket painted? Spray can, brush or out of a gun?
The brackets and sealant was applied at San Jose during the first half of the build and before the exterior color was applied so cowl, bracket and both sealants (that along the cowl to firewall pinch weld and around/over the export bracket) were all painted the same color when the body was painted
Thanks. I never would have guessed it was done at San Jose because it is such a hack job typical of Shelby, not what I would think would be typical at Ford.
Pictures added. Haven't found the installation to be much a a hack job but maybe your car put up a fight
Sealant was pretty messy but rarely is nice anywhere on the cars
Thanks for these The part that is crude is the L shaped bracket. It could have been made much better. It is a pretty crude piece. When I get back out to the shop I will get pictures.
Quote from: hertz350 on January 10, 2021, 04:33:08 PM
Thanks for these The part that is crude is the L shaped bracket. It could have been made much better. It is a pretty crude piece. When I get back out to the shop I will get pictures.
Although a San Jose RPO (regular production option) it was for cars with additional "export" configuration.
most 1965 & 66 export cars came out of Dearborn or Metuchen NJ plant, so San Jose didn't have much experience with this "limited" additional scope of work. IMHO
an infrequent used operation in relationship to the thousands of cars built without this additional feature.
jim p
Quote from: 6R07mi on January 11, 2021, 02:01:14 PM
Although a San Jose RPO (regular production option) it was for cars with additional "export" configuration.
most 1965 & 66 export cars came out of Dearborn or Metuchen NJ plant, so San Jose didn't have much experience with this "limited" additional scope of work. IMHO
an infrequent used operation in relationship to the thousands of cars built without this additional feature.
Interesting comparison. Since the average number of export cars/Mustangs built every year during the classic year at all three plants was only 5,000 units approx 2,000 66's would be a fairly large number in comparison. would seem to suggest that the amount of experience is not as great as it might seem. Unfortunately the number of export Mustangs built in 66 are not know nor the number for each plant.
It is possible that the managers used the same bucking station in the carousel for this particular task but that would just be a possibility. It's just as possible that they didn't care as long as the task got done. Guys working there likely didn't like the additional steps and effort needed
What is size of the bolt and nut and head style that Ford used to mount the export brace to the cowl? What was the finish? Was a washer used behind the nut?
Thanks.
These are supposed to be correct : https://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/Export-Brace-To-Cowl-Mounting-Hardware--P14782.aspx Bolt heads are 9/16"
Quote from: jk66gt350 on January 16, 2021, 09:31:50 AM
These are supposed to be correct : https://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/Export-Brace-To-Cowl-Mounting-Hardware--P14782.aspx Bolt heads are 9/16"
They certainly look correct to me. I have seen more installed with the lock washer on the bottom side then on the top side but it was done both ways.
Anybody have a part number for that angle? I've never seen one.
Here are pictures of the angle bracket and the cowl for a March built Shelby.
Sorry about the rotated pictures.
Quote from: hertz350 on January 16, 2021, 10:56:01 PM
Sorry about the rotated pictures.
Here they are rotated, hope that's OK.
Thanks for fixing that!
Quote from: S7MS427 on January 16, 2021, 09:59:04 PM
Anybody have a part number for that angle? I've never seen one.
It should be on your 66 Shelby 6S817. It may be camouflaged by heavy sealer.
Must be well camouflaged, I've never seen it in the 42+ years I've been taking care of the car.
Quote from: S7MS427 on January 17, 2021, 11:52:50 AM
Must be well camouflaged, I've never seen it in the 42+ years I've been taking care of the car.
If it isn't under all of that sealer (which it probably is ) then it would be considered a problem given it was typical for all 65/66 GT 350's to have it. It was done at Ford as part of the export package . Not saying that this is a problem with your car because more then likely you have overlooked seeing it but a cowl missing the extra brace is a typical mistake made on rebodied cars.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 17, 2021, 01:17:25 PM
Quote from: S7MS427 on January 17, 2021, 11:52:50 AM
Must be well camouflaged, I've never seen it in the 42+ years I've been taking care of the car.
If it isn't under all of that sealer (which it probably is ) then it would be considered a problem given it was typical for all 65/66 GT 350's to have it. It was done at Ford as part of the export package . Not saying that this is a problem with your car because more then likely you have overlooked seeing it but a cowl missing the extra brace is a typical mistake made on rebodied cars.
Bob
I think he's looking for the actual part number on the part. Not the part itself. It looks to me as if he has his original part where the welds were ground away and the part was removed from the car. He's holding the part in one of the pics. Am I misreading this?
Quote from: davez on January 17, 2021, 01:30:21 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 17, 2021, 01:17:25 PM
Quote from: S7MS427 on January 17, 2021, 11:52:50 AM
Must be well camouflaged, I've never seen it in the 42+ years I've been taking care of the car.
If it isn't under all of that sealer (which it probably is ) then it would be considered a problem given it was typical for all 65/66 GT 350's to have it. It was done at Ford as part of the export package . Not saying that this is a problem with your car because more then likely you have overlooked seeing it but a cowl missing the extra brace is a typical mistake made on rebodied cars.
Bob
I think he's looking for the actual part number on the part. Not the part itself. It looks to me as if he has his original part where the welds were ground away and the part was removed from the car. He's holding the part in one of the pics. Am I misreading this?
Yes you did misread . hertz350 is the one that posted the picture holding the brace and asking the initial questions. S7MS427 is the one saying he has never seen that part on his car in 42 years of ownership (of 6S817).I responded to his post and quoted him.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 17, 2021, 02:33:10 PM
Quote from: davez on January 17, 2021, 01:30:21 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 17, 2021, 01:17:25 PM
Quote from: S7MS427 on January 17, 2021, 11:52:50 AM
Must be well camouflaged, I've never seen it in the 42+ years I've been taking care of the car.
If it isn't under all of that sealer (which it probably is ) then it would be considered a problem given it was typical for all 65/66 GT 350's to have it. It was done at Ford as part of the export package . Not saying that this is a problem with your car because more then likely you have overlooked seeing it but a cowl missing the extra brace is a typical mistake made on rebodied cars.
Bob
I think he's looking for the actual part number on the part. Not the part itself. It looks to me as if he has his original part where the welds were ground away and the part was removed from the car. He's holding the part in one of the pics. Am I misreading this?
Yes you did misread . hertz350 is the one that posted the picture holding the brace and asking the initial questions. S7MS427 is the one saying he has never seen that part on his car in 42 years of ownership (of 6S817).I responded to his post and quoted him.
Ok
S7ms427 was looking for its specific part number or a number stamped into the part
Quote from: davez on January 17, 2021, 03:32:19 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 17, 2021, 02:33:10 PM
Quote from: davez on January 17, 2021, 01:30:21 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 17, 2021, 01:17:25 PM
Quote from: S7MS427 on January 17, 2021, 11:52:50 AM
Must be well camouflaged, I've never seen it in the 42+ years I've been taking care of the car.
If it isn't under all of that sealer (which it probably is ) then it would be considered a problem given it was typical for all 65/66 GT 350's to have it. It was done at Ford as part of the export package . Not saying that this is a problem with your car because more then likely you have overlooked seeing it but a cowl missing the extra brace is a typical mistake made on rebodied cars.
Bob
I think he's looking for the actual part number on the part. Not the part itself. It looks to me as if he has his original part where the welds were ground away and the part was removed from the car. He's holding the part in one of the pics. Am I misreading this?
Yes you did misread . hertz350 is the one that posted the picture holding the brace and asking the initial questions. S7MS427 is the one saying he has never seen that part on his car in 42 years of ownership (of 6S817).I responded to his post and quoted him.
Ok
S7ms427 was looking for its specific part number or a number stamped into the part
FYI there is no part or engineering number stamped into that part. I am not sure if it was ever serviced or not.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 17, 2021, 01:17:25 PM
If it isn't under all of that sealer (which it probably is ) then it would be considered a problem given it was typical for all 65/66 GT 350's to have it. It was done at Ford as part of the export package. Not saying that this is a problem with your car because more then likely you have overlooked seeing it but a cowl missing the extra brace is a typical mistake made on rebodied cars.
OK Guys, let me clear this up.
Bob, I think you read way too much into my question which was what was the part number for the export reinforcement angle. That's the entire question, not that the part was missing from the car. Please reread the question and please, please don't look for issues where there are none.
Quote from: davez on January 17, 2021, 01:30:21 PM
Bob
I think he's looking for the actual part number on the part. Not the part itself. It looks to me as if he has his original part where the welds were ground away and the part was removed from the car. He's holding the part in one of the pics. Am I misreading this?
Well Davez pretty much nailed it as to the question although it was the OP who had removed the angle.
6S817 has been in my family since November 1978, first with my dad and then upon his passing in November 2009, with me. The car is not a rebody. I sent the Ford VIN to Howard who verified that the Ford VIN was a match for the Shelby VIN per the factory paperwork. When purchased, the car also came with the original number matching block. I sent a picture of that stamping to Howard as well to which he promptly replied that even after all these years the Ford VIN was still a match.
The export reinforcement angle, to my knowledge, has never been off the car. I do have under hood pictures posted on my website (as well as the entire history of the car from 1978 on) if you'd care to take a look (http://www.S-TechEnt.com/Shelby.htm (http://www.s-techent.com/Shelby.htm)). Through the years I've spent considerable amounts of time collecting Shelby unique part numbers and this is one part that has eluded me through the years which is what initially prompted my question.
I know this is a rather strong response to your post but that one word "rebody" set me off and this is how rumors can get started ("Hey, I read somewhere that that car might be a rebody"). And yes, I know you didn't specifically say that my car was a rebody. I know there are a lot of rebodies out there but this is NOT one. In fact I'm sure you have seen the car either at the Ford Nationals at Carlisle or one of the conventions in the eastern third of the country and I'm positive you would have commented had the export reinforcement angle been missing. I do appreciate that a missing export reinforcement angle would be a tip off to a rebody. I don't think most people are even aware that the part even exists. And I'm a bit sensitive to my VIN and the word rebody appearing in the same post. Some might make a connection where none exists.
OK, I've said my piece and will now get down off my soap box. ;)
Quote from: S7MS427 on January 17, 2021, 06:43:00 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 17, 2021, 01:17:25 PM
If it isn't under all of that sealer (which it probably is ) then it would be considered a problem given it was typical for all 65/66 GT 350's to have it. It was done at Ford as part of the export package. Not saying that this is a problem with your car because more then likely you have overlooked seeing it but a cowl missing the extra brace is a typical mistake made on rebodied cars.
OK Guys, let me clear this up.
Bob, I think you read way too much into my question which was what was the part number for the export reinforcement angle. That's the entire question, not that the part was missing from the car. Please reread the question and please, please don't look for issues where there are none.
Quote from: davez on January 17, 2021, 01:30:21 PM
Bob
I think he's looking for the actual part number on the part. Not the part itself. It looks to me as if he has his original part where the welds were ground away and the part was removed from the car. He's holding the part in one of the pics. Am I misreading this?
Well Davez pretty much nailed it as to the question although it was the OP who had removed the angle.
6S817 has been in my family since November 1978, first with my dad and then upon his passing in November 2009, with me. The car is not a rebody. I sent the Ford VIN to Howard who verified that the Ford VIN was a match for the Shelby VIN per the factory paperwork. When purchased, the car also came with the original number matching block. I sent a picture of that stamping to Howard as well to which he promptly replied that even after all these years the Ford VIN was still a match.
The export reinforcement angle, to my knowledge, has never been off the car. I do have under hood pictures posted on my website (as well as the entire history of the car from 1978 on) if you'd care to take a look (http://www.S-TechEnt.com/Shelby.htm (http://www.s-techent.com/Shelby.htm)). Through the years I've spent considerable amounts of time collecting Shelby unique part numbers and this is one part that has eluded me through the years which is what initially prompted my question.
I know this is a rather strong response to your post but that one word "rebody" set me off and this is how rumors can get started ("Hey, I read somewhere that that car might be a rebody"). And yes, I know you didn't specifically say that my car was a rebody. I know there are a lot of rebodies out there but this is NOT one. In fact I'm sure you have seen the car either at the Ford Nationals at Carlisle or one of the conventions in the eastern third of the country and I'm positive you would have commented had the export reinforcement angle been missing. I do appreciate that a missing export reinforcement angle would be a tip off to a rebody. I don't think most people are even aware that the part even exists. And I'm a bit sensitive to my VIN and the word rebody appearing in the same post. Some might make a connection where none exists.
OK, I've said my piece and will now get down off my soap box. ;)
Take a pill man you are going to have a heart attack . I said two different times that I thought you were just mistaken "which it probably is ) " and again " Not saying that this is a problem with your car because more then likely you have overlooked seeing it " if that does not make it clear I was not suggesting your car was a rebody then you let your tunnel vision get the best of you. That is your problem not mine. I read -"Must be well camouflaged, I've never seen it in the 42+ years I've been taking care of the car."Taking that statement at face value you were saying that you were disputing the existence because you had never seen it given your long ownership. I thought I was explaining about it's existence in a nice polite way suggesting you overlooked it instead of questioning your apparent total lack of knowledge about the subject. Your parnoia not withstanding if you make a misinformed statement with such a strong feeling that you are right like - "I've never seen it in the 42+ " expect push back polite or otherwise.
The angle plate never had a part number "stamped" on it that "I" have seen. It "might" be noted in a '65 or 66 body assembly manual and I don't have mine with me as I type this , so I will have to defer to the detectives that can look at one. There was "some" number applied to it as ALL Ford parts used at assembly plants HAD to have part numbers. Ink , stencil , hand stamped , machine stamped , hand written , etc.