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Title: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on March 31, 2018, 04:59:36 PM
I saw this car on ebay and was looking for opinions on it.  I'm looking for something to take to the track and I'm not sure if I should go vintage or something more modern. 

This car caught my attention.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Mustang-Shelby-GT350-R-Clone-Vintage-Racer/232715351954?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1431.l2649

Anybody know the seller or car?  What do you think a car like this is worth?

Any and all opinions would be appreciated.

Thanks.

QSS
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: Shelby_r_b on March 31, 2018, 05:54:11 PM
Damn.  That looks like a really sweet car!

I would definitely have someone inspect it for you - they will be able to give the best assessment of value and condition.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 31, 2018, 06:05:36 PM
I'd say 40 - 45. Check with Craig Conley - Paradise Wheels. He's in San Diego and may know the car already. He also used to make the R Model side windows and frames to finish this one. Since it has a basically stock motor you're not paying for something that may be in there.
Other side of the coin - for 20-25 you could build a 05-10 that will run circles around this one. 5-8 for a GT 4 for a supercharger 2 for wheels and tires 4 chassis goodies 1 for cage 1 seats 5 misc.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: 2112 on March 31, 2018, 08:17:32 PM
That's a pretty nice clone. My bet the reserve is closer to $60k.

That is pretty close to 2017 GT350 R territory
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on March 31, 2018, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: 2112 on March 31, 2018, 08:17:32 PM
That's a pretty nice clone. My bet the reserve is closer to $60k.

That is pretty close to 2017 GT350 R territory
That's what I was thinking.  This car might be in the $55 to $60 k range in which case, should I just go for a 2017 350 R and get the latest and greatest?

QSS

Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: Alan on March 31, 2018, 10:50:50 PM
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on March 31, 2018, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: 2112 on March 31, 2018, 08:17:32 PM
That's a pretty nice clone. My bet the reserve is closer to $60k.

That is pretty close to 2017 GT350 R territory
That's what I was thinking.  This car might be in the $55 to $60 k range in which case, should I just go for a 2017 350 R and get the latest and greatest?

QSS

I'd go for the '65 for 5 reasons:
1.  heaven forbid, you blow the flat plane engine in the 2017.
2.  IMO, the '65 will hold its value as good, if not better.
3.  vintage racing will be available for the '65
4.  the '65 already has a documented log history
5.  which one will always attract others' eyes?

JMO
Max
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: 2112 on April 01, 2018, 12:33:00 AM
Quote from: Alan on March 31, 2018, 10:50:50 PM

I'd go for the '65 for 5 reasons:
1.  heaven forbid, you blow the flat plane engine in the 2017.
2.  IMO, the '65 will hold its value as good, if not better.
3.  vintage racing will be available for the '65
4.  the '65 already has a documented log history
5.  which one will always attract others' eyes?

JMO
Max

No argument, just playing devil's advocate.

Grew up loving early Mustangs, and tho I don't love the look of the front of the New R, I don't deny it is an incredible performance machine that gets pretty much nothing but rave reviews. I think it is safe to say it is far faster around the track.

Pretty much turn the key and go to the track.
Title: Another option.
Post by: vtgt500 on April 01, 2018, 08:37:21 AM
I gave the R3 body a close inspection last fall.  If in the market for an early Mustang, this would be hard to pass up.  Lot to be said for new construction.
  http://www.fordmuscle.com/features/sema-coverage/sema-2017-r3-delivers-ford-licensed-mustang-bodies/
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: 427heaven on April 01, 2018, 08:47:02 AM
As mentioned above if going vintage racing you are doing it for a reason. The look and feel and sound of a vintage mustang is what completes the experience. Theres just something very special about hustling a 50 year old  car on steroids around a race course. There doesn't seem anything very special about a modern car converted to race status. Look around your shopping mall,every third car is some kind of configuration of a modern mustang. That flat plane crank and the sound they make in those engines would disqualify me from ever wanting to run one. We are all part of a vintage experience here on this site for a reason,the sight,sound and feel of these dinosaurs are what excites the senses. A modern race car will put the spank down on the old stuff but do we really care? So after some soul searching you will know what direction you should go in when your ready to load the trailer up and head out to your local track... Good Luck :)
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: deathsled on April 01, 2018, 11:53:20 AM
Get it and have fun.  But lose that steering wheel.

Kind regards,

Richard E.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: 2112 on April 01, 2018, 12:00:50 PM
Does R3 stamp their own sheet metal or do they just do a better job assembling Dynacorn parts?

They look great in pictures. I would venture it is real easy to end up in 6 figures building a car from a bare shell up.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: deathsled on April 01, 2018, 12:05:04 PM
^^^^^^^
Without a doubt!
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: Shelby_r_b on April 01, 2018, 09:03:42 PM
Quote from: deathsled on April 01, 2018, 11:53:20 AM
Get it and have fun.  But lose that steering wheel.

Kind regards,

Richard E.

Amen.  The steering wheel is hideous, even if it's very functional.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on April 02, 2018, 12:52:42 AM
Quote from: Alan on March 31, 2018, 10:50:50 PM
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on March 31, 2018, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: 2112 on March 31, 2018, 08:17:32 PM
That's a pretty nice clone. My bet the reserve is closer to $60k.

That is pretty close to 2017 GT350 R territory
That's what I was thinking.  This car might be in the $55 to $60 k range in which case, should I just go for a 2017 350 R and get the latest and greatest?

QSS

I'd go for the '65 for 5 reasons:
1.  heaven forbid, you blow the flat plane engine in the 2017.
2.  IMO, the '65 will hold its value as good, if not better.
3.  vintage racing will be available for the '65
4.  the '65 already has a documented log history
5.  which one will always attract others' eyes?

JMO
Max
You make a strong argument for the 65 racer.  I can not disagree with any of your reasons.

QSS
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: GT350Lad on April 02, 2018, 07:23:40 AM
Quote from: Shelby_0022 on April 01, 2018, 09:03:42 PM
Quote from: deathsled on April 01, 2018, 11:53:20 AM
Get it and have fun.  But lose that steering wheel.

Kind regards,

Richard E.

Amen.  The steering wheel is hideous, even if it's very functional.

Not wrong, it's an awful wheel. Apart from that nice car!
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: ITHERTZ on April 02, 2018, 10:30:11 AM
That might be one of the best ebay ads for a vintage Mustang I've ever seen.  That maintenance book and all the details inspire confidence if I was a buyer.  What I don't know is the amount of repair this car has had since new.  Prior rust, prior damage, etc.  Not a deal breaker if done properly, but original sheet metal cars are hard to beat in value and enjoyment.

I like this car and the presentation very much.  I will tell you this, I sold my '65 fastback (GT350 clone) so I could buy a late model Shelby.  I quickly realized how easy it was to overdrive the faster, newer car beyond my limitations.  I think this '65 would be a HOOT of fun, and it seems quite streetable as well.  The engine is mild, so it will be easier to learn how to drive fast with it.  This car won't allow you to be lazy for even a second - where the speed can overcome your concentration and awareness of what's going on.  You will be connected to it and the road in ways you have never experienced (I know you have a '68 and this car is a completely different animal).  You will stink and need a shower after each drive, your neighbors will know your comings and goings at all times, and you will love every minute of it.

I don't think there is any comparison between this car and a new Ford/Shelby.  They fit different needs.  The new cars are a dime a dozen.  I like my 06 Shelby, but I would trade it back for my '65 I had in a heartbeat.  I had much more fun driving the old fastback.  When properly set up, these older Mustangs are really fun, they hold their value and the smiles they bring to the drivers, passengers and observers are unbeatable.  The only car that I've had more fun driving is a Cobra roadster.

Hard to tell on value, but if you could buy this car for $40-$50K from a proper owner like this I think you are in the winning range.  You may have to spend more if you really want it (nothing wrong with that), but there aren't too many good examples out there with known good histories offered by their owners. 

Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: 2112 on April 02, 2018, 11:05:05 AM
And Cobras don't get beyond limitations in a hurry?  ;) just teasing.

I don't think a car this nice will trade at less than $50, and would not be surprised if it gets around $60k

BTW, I looked up R3 and there are stories out there that describe problems for buyers.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: gt350hr on April 02, 2018, 11:40:01 AM
  Those little round stickers are from Cobra Owners club open track events here in So Cal. The fact that it has been to so many indicates "to me" a reliable open track car and the pictures certainly indicate that ( again to me). Nicely done , ready to race , reasonable price.
      Randy
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: SFM5S159 on April 02, 2018, 03:26:59 PM
This looks like a really well prepared street/track car.  I can tell you first hand it's somewhat stressful to vintage race an authentic '65 GT350.  I've often thought about building a replica and this is great start.  You'll likely not run in the front of the pack if you do decide to race this car as-is, but it looks to be a very well done compromise of a street/track car.  I can tell you many times I wished that my car was streetable.  Also, it's damn hard to campaign a car and keep it looking this nice.  Most are tattered and show some battle scars. 

I should buy this car and warehouse mine! 

Personally the early cars are what I like.  I have no interest in a late model and don't think its an easy comparison. 

Mike C
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: tesgt350 on April 02, 2018, 04:29:09 PM
It's at $45,200.00 and that's a sweet deal.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: gt350hr on April 02, 2018, 05:00:38 PM
  Still less than the cost to build and it's fully sorted. Plug and play so to speak.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: Shelby_r_b on April 02, 2018, 06:11:10 PM
I'll jump into the fray when it comes to old versus new.

I have a 2017 Shelby GT350R, and I absolutely love it...no matter how much 2112 hates the front end.  ;D  It's a fantastic car that is unbelievably refined; yet, it's the most visceral modern car I've ever driven.  I LOVE the exhaust note and I love driving it.

However...

As some of you may have seen from my posts in the Replicas and Tributes section, I'm in the process of building (having built - WAY past my skillset) a restomod GT350R that pays homage (somewhat  ;D) to the 1965 GT350R.  My intentions are to drive the wheels off it on the street, and (just for fun) take it around a track or two...even down the drag strip.  Why not?

The reason I mention all this is due to the following:  I'd rather drive my 1967 Shelby GT350 any day of the week versus my 2017 GT350R.  Do I dislike the new R?  I LOVE the new R!  However, it just can't turn my crank (pun slightly intended) like the 67.  As you all know, there is something REALLY special about driving a classic.  And, my hope with the GT350 restomod is to (somewhat) combine forces while leaning heavily to the vintage side.

If it were me, I'd rather race a vintage car all day long.  It's the reason why people like vintage wines, old cameras, etc...classic cars have such character, and nothing takes command of all my senses like driving a classic.  Truly, if I wasn't already building my car I'D buy this thing!

Just my 2 cents.  :D
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: 2112 on April 02, 2018, 10:06:02 PM
1) Reuben, I love your 350R from the Radiator support back!   ;)

2) What is the old adage? It is more fun to drive a slow car fast, than drive a fast car slow!

Of course the car on eBay is only slow to the more serious racers and modern cars, but it reinforce the point everyone here seems to be making.

3) I will be shocked if this car sells at the current bid.  Remember it is and auction, and things usually get worked up at the end. Plus, I think they said they reserve the right to sell locally at any time.

Edit; the reserve seems to be met at $50K so it might sell in 5 days
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on April 03, 2018, 01:51:34 AM
Quote from: ITHERTZ on April 02, 2018, 10:30:11 AM
That might be one of the best ebay ads for a vintage Mustang I've ever seen.  That maintenance book and all the details inspire confidence if I was a buyer.  What I don't know is the amount of repair this car has had since new.  Prior rust, prior damage, etc.  Not a deal breaker if done properly, but original sheet metal cars are hard to beat in value and enjoyment.

Hard to tell on value, but if you could buy this car for $40-$50K from a proper owner like this I think you are in the winning range.  You may have to spend more if you really want it (nothing wrong with that), but there aren't too many good examples out there with known good histories offered by their owners.
You make allot of solid points Troy.  Car is now at $50k and moving up fast.  I wonder where the ceiling might be?

QSS
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: pmustang on April 03, 2018, 03:49:51 AM
I'm going to stick my neck out here and call a touch of BS auction

50k and five days to go... Sorry but no

I watch a ton of auctions and IMHO real auctions stay low-ish until the last day or so...

I could be totally wrong but this looks alot like many auctions I watch that bid up, sell and get reposted for months

I'm only looking on my phone but I can't see the perfection others are seeing

I could be totally wrong of course 

Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: shelbydoug on April 03, 2018, 07:57:31 AM
My guess is the reserve is 75.  I'm not sure if that's even a break even point?
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: ITHERTZ on April 03, 2018, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: pmustang on April 03, 2018, 03:49:51 AM
I'm going to stick my neck out here and call a touch of BS auction

50k and five days to go... Sorry but no

I watch a ton of auctions and IMHO real auctions stay low-ish until the last day or so...

I could be totally wrong but this looks alot like many auctions I watch that bid up, sell and get reposted for months

I'm only looking on my phone but I can't see the perfection others are seeing

I could be totally wrong of course

+1

However....perhaps there is something to the quality of this particular listing/presentation that defies normal?  By the time I clicked on the ebay ad the first time the bid was around $45K and there was no reserve mentioned.  My red flag radar goes up a bit when a quality car get's offered on ebay with no reserve and a reasonable starting bid.  I'm not saying it isn't possible (because I've seen them and the ones I know about have been legit), but it just makes me pay attention in a different way.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: 427heaven on April 03, 2018, 10:48:43 AM
To those that have never built a car or had one built,don't have an understanding of the time,money and effort that goes into creating these cars. Someday just sit down and compile a list of hard parts necessary for the build. Engine ,trans,suspension,brakes exhaust,rear ends,shop labor rates etc, After having done this you will see that a 50k build gets to that number frighteningly quick! ;)
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on April 03, 2018, 02:48:05 PM
Quote from: pmustang on April 03, 2018, 03:49:51 AM
I'm going to stick my neck out here and call a touch of BS auction

50k and five days to go... Sorry but no

I watch a ton of auctions and IMHO real auctions stay low-ish until the last day or so...

I could be totally wrong but this looks alot like many auctions I watch that bid up, sell and get reposted for months

I'm only looking on my phone but I can't see the perfection others are seeing

I could be totally wrong of course
That's what I was thinking as well.  Anything that ever interested me on ebay always led me to bid once, early in the auction and then place my final bid in the last 20 seconds of the auction.

I agree, I've seen many other auctions that seem to run their course and said items appears to sell only to see the same item get relisted a few weeks later.

Ebay is full of this kind of shill bidding but so is Barrett Jackson, Mecum and all the other big auction houses.  In the end it's a game and  you better be prepared to play or sit and watch.

QSS
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: gt350hr on April 03, 2018, 04:15:43 PM
  I doubt this local So Cal owner is doing any shill bidding , he's just trying to sell his car.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on April 03, 2018, 04:28:13 PM
Quote from: gt350hr on April 03, 2018, 04:15:43 PM
  I doubt this local So Cal owner is doing any shill bidding , he's just trying to sell his car.
Didn't mean to offend anyone and I apologize if I have done so.  I guess the reason for my post was to see if anyone here knows the owner or the car.

QSS
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: gt350hr on April 03, 2018, 06:31:38 PM
   I'm sure I have met him casually at a local club meeting. The picture of him is familiar. I doubt Craig Conley knows him but I have been wrong before.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: Shelby_r_b on April 03, 2018, 10:16:27 PM
What's interesting is that this car never had a reserve.  Usually, cars are bid up that have a reserve, much like at regular auctions.

Either way, it still looks like a good deal...that's without having seen it, of course.  ;)
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: deathsled on April 04, 2018, 05:03:19 PM
Bids are rising like a helium balloon...
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: Shelby_r_b on April 04, 2018, 05:10:56 PM
You've got that right! It's over $65K and there are still 4+ days left in the auction.  :o
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: 2112 on April 04, 2018, 06:38:55 PM
I am starting to wonder. From everything I have seen, that is approaching the top of the market for a clone.

That, or somebody is in love. Correction; 2 guys are in love.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: deathsled on April 04, 2018, 06:44:26 PM
Just checked again. Car is no longer available.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: Shelby_r_b on April 04, 2018, 07:12:53 PM
Quote from: deathsled on April 04, 2018, 06:44:26 PM
Just checked again. Car is no longer available.

Yep. She's gone from listing.

I wonder if we'll see it relisted? This happens sometimes when the shill bidding outreaches the value. Or, maybe it was bid up to drive a private sale.

Interesting.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on April 04, 2018, 07:17:15 PM
Well it wasn't me.  I was interested in the car until it hit $65k then my commitment quickly evaporated. 

Any body else have a similar car they want to sell?

QSS
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: 427heaven on April 04, 2018, 08:51:10 PM
He who asks shall receive... Look on Ebay right now in the 65 mustang section you might find something you like! Bid up to 25k might be in line with your budget. Probably not near as fast as the other one but it probably would put just as big a smile on your face as the other one. ;) Good Luck
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on April 05, 2018, 03:19:51 AM
I just received an email from the seller and he told me the car is sold.  Damn!!!! I thought a 65 R clone racer would be valued much lower than $65k.  Maybe I'm a dreamer.

Whatever, ....... I'm onto my next muse.  Who knows what that might be but it's out there somewhere and I'm on it.

QSS
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: Shelby_r_b on April 05, 2018, 10:51:42 AM
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on April 05, 2018, 03:19:51 AM
I just received an email from the seller and he told me the car is sold.  Damn!!!! I thought a 65 R clone racer would be valued much lower than $65k.  Maybe I'm a dreamer.

Whatever, ....... I'm onto my next muse.  Who knows what that might be but it's out there somewhere and I'm on it.

QSS

Did it sell privately for $65K? If not, did the seller mention the final price?
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: 427heaven on April 05, 2018, 12:17:48 PM
Usually on those deals if someone is not bidding, or falls way short of bidding anywhere near what the item is valued at, no info is shared for good reason. This eliminates the contenders from the pretenders... Read serious, or just wasting time. :-\
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on April 21, 2018, 11:58:57 AM
Quote from: Shelby_0022 on April 05, 2018, 10:51:42 AM
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on April 05, 2018, 03:19:51 AM
I just received an email from the seller and he told me the car is sold.  Damn!!!! I thought a 65 R clone racer would be valued much lower than $65k.  Maybe I'm a dreamer.

Whatever, ....... I'm onto my next muse.  Who knows what that might be but it's out there somewhere and I'm on it.

QSS

Did it sell privately for $65K? If not, did the seller mention the final price?
No it did not sell.  I've talked with the owner of the car as well as the gentleman who is in charge of selling the car for the owner.

Here is what I was told:

- During the ebay auction a buyer approached them about ending the auction early and they agreed on a price.
- I was told the price that they agree on was in the low $70's.
- Ebay auction was ended and buyer sent a deposit.
- Buyer goes dark for a week or two and then reappears.
- Buyer couldn't come up with funds to complete the deal and asks for his deposit back.
- Sellers of the car refuse to give deposit back and they end their dealings with the initial buyer.
- Sellers of the car then approached the 2nd top bidder, after things fall apart, and the 2nd top bidder informs sellers he has already bought another car so he wasn't going to be a buyer.
- Sellers have decided to relist on Hemmings 2 days ago.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/shelby/gt350cr/2101399.html

I spoke with the owner of the car yesterday for at least 1/2 an hour.  We had an excellent exchange and an in depth conversation about the car and some discussion of our life philosophies.   I believe he is a very honest guy. 

I'm not sure where I stand on this car but I am not a buyer at the current Hemmings price or even at the low $70's price.  We'll see what happens I guess.

QSS



Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: ITHERTZ on April 22, 2018, 09:45:33 PM
Thanks for the update.  eBay experiences on both sides can be very challenging.  I've heard lots of stories, and many are quite difficult to believe.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on April 23, 2018, 01:04:36 AM
Quote from: ITHERTZ on April 22, 2018, 09:45:33 PM
Thanks for the update.  eBay experiences on both sides can be very challenging.  I've heard lots of stories, and many are quite difficult to believe.
Thanks Troy.  I don't know what to make of all of this.

QSS
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: vtgt500 on April 23, 2018, 07:52:30 AM
Living in a depressed, rural area, am easily dumbstruck at the money thrown at this hobby.  Like many here, I grew up seeing Boss Mustangs and Shelbys languishing to sell for $2000-$3000.   Early, fastback and K type Mustangs with typical rust were always parted out and crushed.  In '77 my essentially, rust free '68 GT500 sat beside the road for 6 months with a $3000 asking price.  I was chastised by nearly everyone as a fool.   Now, my head spins at monies exchanged.  I just don't get it, especially with a restored, clone car.  Is it an urban, status symbol, or inexperienced enthusiasts thinking these Falcon off-shoots harbor some sophisticated performance ability?

Now with the availability of the very well assembled R3 body for about $18K, there is a lot of room between $70K to build what you want.  Again, I just don't get it.
https://youtu.be/ACd5mhTLusU
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on April 23, 2018, 10:14:56 AM
Quote from: vtgt500 on April 23, 2018, 07:52:30 AM
I just don't get it, especially with a restored, clone car.  Is it an urban, status symbol, or inexperienced enthusiasts thinking these Falcon off-shoots harbor some sophisticated performance ability?
Not really a status symbol that I'm looking for.  After all, I have a red 68 GT500 convertible.  If I need exude my obviously superior taste in cars, I just take that car out for a drive and I get all the attention that one could ever ask for :)

I've been around the Shelby hobby long enough that I know my way around.  I don't think this car harbors some sophisticated performance ability.  If I wanted that I would buy a late model ready to race track car (2018 GT350R, Porsche GT3).  Besides, you know what they say "it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow".

I am looking for a raw and visceral type of experience with my next car.  When I take my 68 GT500 out on the road, it's for a cruise and very little spirited driving. I don't want to take it to the track and chuck that big block around technical corners and besides, it's a convertible.   

I definitely don't have the skill to facilitate a build.  In my neck of the woods it would take me years to figure out who is good and who to steer clear from when trying to determine the appropriate people to build me a nice street legal racer.  I may further investigate the possibility of a new build.  As you said, I will get exactly what I desire.

So here I am, searching for a car that is ready to go and this car checks off many box's.  I agree, $70k for this car "may" be too much but the Ford GT's that I have been looking at are quadruple the price so it's all relevant I suppose.

This car looks interesting except I'm not too wild about the color and the price appears more in line with what I feel like paying.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Mustang-Shelby-Gt350R-Tribute/222931118783?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

But hey, if anyone out there is willing to sell me a real 65R for a couple hundred thousand dollars, I am more than willing and able to step up to the plate ;D

QSS




Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: Bob Gaines on April 23, 2018, 11:53:06 AM
Quote from: vtgt500 on April 23, 2018, 07:52:30 AM
Living in a depressed, rural area, am easily dumbstruck at the money thrown at this hobby.  Like many here, I grew up seeing Boss Mustangs and Shelbys languishing to sell for $2000-$3000.   Early, fastback and K type Mustangs with typical rust were always parted out and crushed.  In '77 my essentially, rust free '68 GT500 sat beside the road for 6 months with a $3000 asking price.  I was chastised by nearly everyone as a fool.   Now, my head spins at monies exchanged.  I just don't get it, especially with a restored, clone car.  Is it an urban, status symbol, or inexperienced enthusiasts thinking these Falcon off-shoots harbor some sophisticated performance ability?

Now with the availability of the very well assembled R3 body for about $18K, there is a lot of room between $70K to build what you want.  Again, I just don't get it.
https://youtu.be/ACd5mhTLusU
If you think that you are going to take a unpainted 18K shell then take it through the typical nice shell bodywork,paint and a running tribute car buildup with the bells and whistles and not be much closer to the 70 K number then you being overly optimistic IMO.Been there done that. The time factor of getting a car from shell to finish is what you are paying for also. Some people do not have or want to take a year out of their life to devote to ground up build themselves. Some don't have the time or want to wait a year to write the check for someone else to do it ether. There is something to be said for the learning curve of what to do and not to do and its associated costs.Just some food for thought.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: Shelby_r_b on April 23, 2018, 02:54:31 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 23, 2018, 11:53:06 AM
Quote from: vtgt500 on April 23, 2018, 07:52:30 AM
Living in a depressed, rural area, am easily dumbstruck at the money thrown at this hobby.  Like many here, I grew up seeing Boss Mustangs and Shelbys languishing to sell for $2000-$3000.   Early, fastback and K type Mustangs with typical rust were always parted out and crushed.  In '77 my essentially, rust free '68 GT500 sat beside the road for 6 months with a $3000 asking price.  I was chastised by nearly everyone as a fool.   Now, my head spins at monies exchanged.  I just don't get it, especially with a restored, clone car.  Is it an urban, status symbol, or inexperienced enthusiasts thinking these Falcon off-shoots harbor some sophisticated performance ability?

Now with the availability of the very well assembled R3 body for about $18K, there is a lot of room between $70K to build what you want.  Again, I just don't get it.
https://youtu.be/ACd5mhTLusU
If you think that you are going to take a unpainted 18K shell then take it through the typical nice shell bodywork,paint and a running tribute car buildup with the bells and whistles and not be much closer to the 70 K number then you being overly optimistic IMO.Been there done that. The time factor of getting a car from shell to finish is what you are paying for also. Some people do not have or want to take a year out of their life to devote to ground up build themselves. Some don't have the time or want to wait a year to write the check for someone else to do it ether. There is something to be said for the learning curve of what to do and not to do and its associated costs.Just some food for thought.

++1

I'm having an R model restomod custom built, and everything Bob has said matches my experience.

I will say, there is NOTHING like creating the car from scratch and making it your own.  Believe me - it's worth it. 

That said, it can be pricey, and $70K would barely cover 2/3rds of the costs IMO.  I'm guessing that the car that's for sale at $70K+ probably cost around $100K to build - just my guess.  Of course, it also depends on how far you want to take the build.  I could have had a lot less money into mine, if I didn't want an all aluminum engine (the cam is the only thing not aluminum from the top of the engine to the rear end), dry sump, coil overs all around, etc., etc.

And, building a car like this isn't about bragging rights.  To me, it's about building something for yourself that you personally enjoy.  To your point - I can probably get more head turns with my real Shelby versus the restomod. 

Just some more thoughts...
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on April 23, 2018, 08:49:33 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 23, 2018, 11:53:06 AM
Quote from: vtgt500 on April 23, 2018, 07:52:30 AM
Living in a depressed, rural area, am easily dumbstruck at the money thrown at this hobby.  Like many here, I grew up seeing Boss Mustangs and Shelbys languishing to sell for $2000-$3000.   Early, fastback and K type Mustangs with typical rust were always parted out and crushed.  In '77 my essentially, rust free '68 GT500 sat beside the road for 6 months with a $3000 asking price.  I was chastised by nearly everyone as a fool.   Now, my head spins at monies exchanged.  I just don't get it, especially with a restored, clone car.  Is it an urban, status symbol, or inexperienced enthusiasts thinking these Falcon off-shoots harbor some sophisticated performance ability?

Now with the availability of the very well assembled R3 body for about $18K, there is a lot of room between $70K to build what you want.  Again, I just don't get it.
https://youtu.be/ACd5mhTLusU
If you think that you are going to take a unpainted 18K shell then take it through the typical nice shell bodywork,paint and a running tribute car buildup with the bells and whistles and not be much closer to the 70 K number then you being overly optimistic IMO.Been there done that. The time factor of getting a car from shell to finish is what you are paying for also. Some people do not have or want to take a year out of their life to devote to ground up build themselves. Some don't have the time or want to wait a year to write the check for someone else to do it ether. There is something to be said for the learning curve of what to do and not to do and its associated costs.Just some food for thought.
Bob, you have clarified my exact thoughts on this car.  The "time factor........., learning curve.......... and it's associated costs"  of building my own car are exactly what I'm trying to avoid. 

QSS
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: vtgt500 on April 24, 2018, 12:22:41 PM
Thanks for the enlightening feedback.  You have help me reach an epiphany that I'm much older than I feel and act.  I had always equated buying an assembled, modified car akin to bragging about dating an escort.  Guess at $70/hr labor rates and associated expenses, the cost to build such a car would add up quickly.  I hesitate to think what I could have invoiced my time for spent in the garage and researching product.  Perhaps the convincing insult to my outdated perspective appeared in my email this morning.

http://www.fordnxt.com/news/ford-pumps-up-the-sound-of-all-2019-mustangs-with-active-exhaust/

Time to mothball the old iron and embrace a Rascal scooter, with faux exhaust.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: 66S285 on April 26, 2018, 01:44:02 PM
all personal preference.  that is why so many cars exist from unrestored to new.  If you want fast go with new car.  much faster and more reliable.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on June 05, 2018, 10:00:57 AM
Another 65R replica came up on ebay which interests me.  It's a long way from me and I would need to have it inspected but I can arrange that.  The only thing that concerns me is one line in the sellers description which reads:

"Sold with a Georgia registration and Bill of Sale, Georgia does not title cars of this vintage."

Is that true?   Georgia does not title cars of this vintage?  If that's true, can you register this car in another state? 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-Mustang-Shelby-R/192557692869?hash=item2cd55537c5:g:oe8AAOSw1m5bE8M0&vxp=mtr

What do you all think?

QSS
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: KR Convertible on June 05, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
It is probably similar to a NY transferable registration.  It made me nervous as hell!  Took it to my PA notary and it was no problem.  Received a PA title a few weeks later.  WHEW!!!
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: TOBKOB on June 05, 2018, 10:01:31 PM
The state of Georgia will definitely title vintage cars even though it is not required on car model 1985 or older. The following is from the official GA web site:

Titles Optional
You can title a 1963-1985 year model vehicle if:

You have a title issued in your name;
The owner on the front of the title has assigned the title to you;
The owner on the front of the title has assigned the title to a dealer and the dealer has assigned the title to you.
You cannot title a 1963-1985 year model vehicle if:

The vehicle has been registered in someone else's name(s) other than the owner(s) shown on the face of the Georgia title

TOB
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: 6s1139 on June 06, 2018, 04:51:18 AM
guessing you have seen this one - https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/shelby/gt350/1926584.html

I noticed it for sale when I bought my 65 clone in Feb 2017 - they were asking much more back then, at 45k I like it and would have taken it over mine (I like the more track focus)
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on June 06, 2018, 09:39:30 AM
Quote from: 6s1139 on June 06, 2018, 04:51:18 AM
guessing you have seen this one - https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/shelby/gt350/1926584.html

I noticed it for sale when I bought my 65 clone in Feb 2017 - they were asking much more back then, at 45k I like it and would have taken it over mine (I like the more track focus)
I did see that car a while back but for some reason I thought it sold.  I didn't like the Orange/Blue colors at first but I've warmed up to them.  Thanks for posting the link.

QSS
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: 2112 on June 06, 2018, 09:53:38 AM
The orange car was on BaT several months ago. I think that might be the one where the seller got a bit agitated.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-ford-mustang-fastback-11/
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: shelbydoug on June 06, 2018, 10:51:32 AM
Presuming that you already own a fastback that is usable, it's gonna' cost you around 50 to build one of these things and sort it out.

I think that IF the one for 70 is ready to roll, that's a fair price.

Building it yourself and taking a year or more off to build the thing is about right. How much is a year's worth of pay, salary and time worth to you? Will you be sure that you got everything right?
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: Dkutz on June 06, 2018, 10:46:32 PM
Saw this today on my daily CL search, and thought of this thread.

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/ctd/d/spectacular-build-quality-top/6609714985.html

Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: Shelby_r_b on June 06, 2018, 11:24:32 PM
Quote from: Dkutz on June 06, 2018, 10:46:32 PM
Saw this today on my daily CL search, and thought of this thread.

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/ctd/d/spectacular-build-quality-top/6609714985.html

Pretty sweet looking build!
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on June 07, 2018, 12:06:08 AM
Quote from: 2112 on June 06, 2018, 09:53:38 AM
The orange car was on BaT several months ago. I think that might be the one where the seller got a bit agitated.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-ford-mustang-fastback-11/
Wow, $35,555 high bid.  I had no idea a car like this would garner so such a low price.

QSS
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: mark p on June 07, 2018, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on June 07, 2018, 12:06:08 AM
Quote from: 2112 on June 06, 2018, 09:53:38 AM
The orange car was on BaT several months ago. I think that might be the one where the seller got a bit agitated.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-ford-mustang-fastback-11/
Wow, $35,555 high bid.  I had no idea a car like this would garner so such a low price.

QSS

+1 That seems like a smoking deal, especially considering the input of the previous owner.
Title: Re: 65 R replica vintage racer on ebay - Opinions please.
Post by: ITHERTZ on June 07, 2018, 02:05:59 PM
The BAT car did not sell for that, so not a smoking deal.  Reserve not met (: