Just looking for opinions............yes, I know I'm probably opening a can of worms.
As owner of an early '67 and not interested in full concours restoration, I am soon to be in need of new tires as the current ones still have plenty of tread, but will age out.
I do not wish to run reproduction bias type tires as I drive the car to local shows, runs and events and prefer to stay in my own land so will go with a radial.
I see the BF Goodrich Radial T/A's as one of the most prevalent tires which gives the raised white letter look, but as we know, the early 67's came with the large letter GOODYEAR tires and can't seem to find a Goodyear tire in radial that is somewhat similar.
I did see that Goodyear now offers the Gatorback VR tire in 225/60-15, but they are blackwall. That gets the original manufacturer tire on the car, but without white letters.
Looking around, I could only find a General and a Uniroyal tire in this size and they are also non-white-lettered.
Looking for opinions, thoughts & recommendations.
Thanks in advance.
Goodyear doesn't offer anything in the correct size range with white letters. The only way to get Goodyear lettering is paint Goodyear blackwalls or get rubber letters online and you can put them on any brand. There is also a member here that does it, but I can't remember who.
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=8568.msg71242#msg71242
That's him.
According to BFG website the same two sizes can vary by as much as 8 percent. I know they are not manufacturing pharmaceuticals but 8 percent seems like a lot.
Quote from: pchmotoho on February 07, 2021, 05:42:40 PM
According to BFG website the same two sizes can vary by as much as 8 percent. I know they are not manufacturing pharmaceuticals but 8 percent seems like a lot.
That's crazy. On a 255, that would be nearly 3/4 of an inch.
I bought a set of BFG Radial T/As 215/60/15s on Thursday, and I love the way they look.
I also went with BFGs and staggered 215 front 235 rear. I like the way they fill the wheel wells.
They actually perform better in the twistys that I thought they would, so I am quite happy.
My only concern is the yellowing of the letters that everyone talks about....... I can see it starting.
Quote from: oldcanuck on February 10, 2021, 07:30:07 AM
I also went with BFGs and staggered 215 front 235 rear. I like the way they fill the wheel wells.
They actually perform better in the twistys that I thought they would, so I am quiet happy.
My only concern is the yellowing of the letters that everyone talks about....... I can see it starting.
All you need is one of those $49.99 pressure washers, a water hose connection and an electrical plug outlet.
It isn't just the white letters, it's oxidation on the black sidewalls.
With the pressure washer you don't even need a detergent, just the water is enough to clean it up.
IN ADDITION, whatever you do, DO NOT put tire dressing OR ARMORAL on the tires. It will make the rubber check and turn the treads into banana skins.
FYI I'm running 235-60-15s front and 295-50-15s in the rear. I suppose it depends on how you envision the look?
The skinny tires look like you are walking in the water with your pants rolled up to me.
Quote from: rmarble57 on February 07, 2021, 05:10:52 PM
Just looking for opinions............yes, I know I'm probably opening a can of worms.
As owner of an early '67 and not interested in full concours restoration, I am soon to be in need of new tires as the current ones still have plenty of tread, but will age out.
I do not wish to run reproduction bias type tires as I drive the car to local shows, runs and events and prefer to stay in my own land so will go with a radial.
I see the BF Goodrich Radial T/A's as one of the most prevalent tires which gives the raised white letter look, but as we know, the early 67's came with the large letter GOODYEAR tires and can't seem to find a Goodyear tire in radial that is somewhat similar.
I did see that Goodyear now offers the Gatorback VR tire in 225/60-15, but they are blackwall. That gets the original manufacturer tire on the car, but without white letters.
Looking around, I could only find a General and a Uniroyal tire in this size and they are also non-white-lettered.
Looking for opinions, thoughts & recommendations.
Thanks in advance.
You want my opinion, do ask. This conversation will turn into tire size, how high your car sits, rolled wheel wells, and probably who makes the best apple pie. Many have asked and that is where all of it goes.
Quote from: oldcanuck on February 10, 2021, 07:30:07 AM
I also went with BFGs and staggered 215 front 235 rear. I like the way they fill the wheel wells.
They actually perform better in the twistys that I thought they would, so I am quiet happy.
My only concern is the yellowing of the letters that everyone talks about....... I can see it starting.
Bob, That car looks great!
I really wanted GOODYEAR or some repro company to do some sort of RWL in a Goodyear, but I think we "have" to go with the BF Goodrich....not meaning it is a negative way, I like them also. I bought a set of small letter Goodyears for my Boss, and it is not fun to drive, unless your one who thinks, "If you under control, your not going fast enough."
Quote from: 67 GT350 on February 10, 2021, 10:15:08 AM
Bob, That car looks great!
I really wanted GOODYEAR or some repro company to do some sort of RWL in a Goodyear, but I think we "have" to go with the BF Goodrich....not meaning it is a negative way, I like them also. I bought a set of small letter Goodyears for my Boss, and it is not fun to drive, unless your one who thinks, "If you under control, your not going fast enough."
Fran,
Thanks.... you made mention when it was sitting at the end of your driveway. I can't imagine you not having fun driving your Boss.... it is just too nice an example to feel that way.
I can't imagine 235s and 295s ....... sure would like to see a picture of those bad boys !
Yeah well, another suggestion: Get some blackwall BFG's, shave the lettering off (there is a plce that does this, so, somebody will post who and where) then buy and install a set of those Goodyear glue-on letters....and there you go.
Quote from: oldcanuck on February 10, 2021, 10:44:01 AM
Quote from: 67 GT350 on February 10, 2021, 10:15:08 AM
Bob, That car looks great!
I really wanted GOODYEAR or some repro company to do some sort of RWL in a Goodyear, but I think we "have" to go with the BF Goodrich....not meaning it is a negative way, I like them also. I bought a set of small letter Goodyears for my Boss, and it is not fun to drive, unless your one who thinks, "If you under control, your not going fast enough."
Fran,
Thanks.... you made mention when it was sitting at the end of your driveway. I can't imagine you not having fun driving your Boss.... it is just too nice an example to feel that way.
I can't imagine 235s and 295s ....... sure would like to see a picture of those bad boys !
Here you go.
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=11195.0
235/60-15 F..275/60-15 R T/A's on original 10 spokes 67 GT500
Quote from: roddster on February 10, 2021, 12:27:12 PM
Yeah well, another suggestion: Get some blackwall BFG's, shave the lettering off (there is a plce that does this, so, somebody will post who and where) then buy and install a set of those Goodyear glue-on letters....and there you go.
Quote from: 2112 on February 07, 2021, 05:30:27 PM
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=8568.msg71242#msg71242
^^^^^^^ Man thats a tight fit, how does one exit the car? Out the trunk into the driveway? ;D
Quote from: oldcanuck on February 10, 2021, 10:44:01 AM
Quote from: 67 GT350 on February 10, 2021, 10:15:08 AM
Bob, That car looks great!
I really wanted GOODYEAR or some repro company to do some sort of RWL in a Goodyear, but I think we "have" to go with the BF Goodrich....not meaning it is a negative way, I like them also. I bought a set of small letter Goodyears for my Boss, and it is not fun to drive, unless your one who thinks, "If you under control, your not going fast enough."
Fran,
Thanks.... you made mention when it was sitting at the end of your driveway. I can't imagine you not having fun driving your Boss.... it is just too nice an example to feel that way.
I can't imagine 235s and 295s ....... sure would like to see a picture of those bad boys !
Yes, I meant the Boss would be much nicer with a radial tire....
Has anybody bought and used these? At least they say GOODYEAR:
https://www.lucasclassictires.com/215-65R15-Goodyear-Eagle-GT-P3BDF.htm
Quote from: 427heaven on February 10, 2021, 07:33:24 PM
^^^^^^^ Man thats a tight fit, how does one exit the car? Out the trunk into the driveway? ;D
. Real problem is to back it out without knocking off a brake cooling scoop.....been there,done that...unfortunately :'(
Quote from: 557 on February 13, 2021, 01:47:04 PM
Quote from: 427heaven on February 10, 2021, 07:33:24 PM
^^^^^^^ Man thats a tight fit, how does one exit the car? Out the trunk into the driveway? ;D
. Real problem is to back it out without knocking off a brake cooling scoop.....been there,done that...unfortunately :'(
I can't tell you how many times that I have hit my knees on those brake scoops? They should have been made out of softer materials.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on February 13, 2021, 12:21:38 PM
Has anybody bought and used these? At least they say GOODYEAR:
https://www.lucasclassictires.com/215-65R15-Goodyear-Eagle-GT-P3BDF.htm
I'm going to assume they are now built by a 3rd party and not Goodyear....... I think I'd rather have a set of four BFGs for the price of one of those ....... just my .02
I bought a set of these in 1982 and was very pleased with them on my early '66, especially with their improvement in ride quality over the bias ply take-offs. Fit was good on the Cragars. Look was good and they were Goodyear.
Link: https://www.cokertire.com/tires/firestone-wide-oval-radial-rwl.html (https://www.cokertire.com/tires/firestone-wide-oval-radial-rwl.html)
(https://www.cokertire.com/media/catalog/product/f/i/firestone-wide-oval-radial-fr70-15-rwl-magnum-500_1_1.png)
Quote from: Royce Peterson on February 14, 2021, 12:08:08 PM
Link: https://www.cokertire.com/tires/firestone-wide-oval-radial-rwl.html (https://www.cokertire.com/tires/firestone-wide-oval-radial-rwl.html)
(https://www.cokertire.com/media/catalog/product/f/i/firestone-wide-oval-radial-fr70-15-rwl-magnum-500_1_1.png)
I had a set on my old 67 GT K code fastback and they were wonderful. I only hesitate because they do not say "Goodyear" for my Shelby! Lets stop saying "Its your car do with it what you want" I just have a hard time putting an "off brand" tire on the Shelby, and if I was to do so, I would put a BF Goodrich on it, they are a nice looking tire and the price is much better.
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 10, 2021, 08:25:35 AM
All you need is one of those $49.99 pressure washers, a water hose connection and an electrical plug outlet.
It isn't just the white letters, it's oxidation on the black sidewalls.
With the pressure washer you don't even need a detergent, just the water is enough to clean it up.
I don't have one of those cheapo pressure washers ....... will a 1800 to 2000 psi washer hurt tires, or is there a detergent or cleaner that will remove the oxidation ? I do not use any type of tire dressing other than good old hot soapy water when washing the car panel by panel.
Thanks for your help.
Quote from: oldcanuck on February 15, 2021, 08:06:36 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on February 10, 2021, 08:25:35 AM
All you need is one of those $49.99 pressure washers, a water hose connection and an electrical plug outlet.
It isn't just the white letters, it's oxidation on the black sidewalls.
With the pressure washer you don't even need a detergent, just the water is enough to clean it up.
I don't have one of those cheapo pressure washers ....... will a 1800 to 2000 psi washer hurt tires, or is there a detergent or cleaner that will remove the oxidation ? I do not use any type of tire dressing other than good old hot soapy water when washing the car panel by panel.
Thanks for your help.
Regardless of what detergents you find effective, in reality you still need to run water on it "with purpose", i.e., a pressure washer.
Look. I DO NOT tell people what to do or think. If you ask for an opinion and if I think that I can help, I often do.
Simply put, my experiences or solutions often disagree with others. It isn't intended to be a contrary.
One piece of wisdom imparted to me was, "if you don't want to know, don't ask".
"May your illusions (dillusions) be as pleasant as mine".
I spoke with my local tire dealer who has been around a while. Told him about the yellowing of the raised white lettering on my newer BFGs. He responded.....'Yup, the new tires are doing that now, and I can tell you how to clean 'em up.'
I went to the Dollar Store and bought a can of old style COMET Cleaner with bleach. Using a scrubber and some warm water.... a little extra elbow grease..... and there you have it. Rinsed them off, as good as new. Thanks Craig.
There is a product called, "Bleach White". You spray it on, hose it off. No scrubbing.
There WAS a product called Westleys Bleche Wite. That stuff was great!! Black Magic bought them out a couple of years ago and WRECKED IT! It doesn't work nearly as good. If you want the original, you have to pay up.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westleys-Bleche-Wite-Tire-Cleaner-Spray-HTF/324251726917?hash=item4b7ee8b445:g:SUkAAOSwugJeb8JD
Quote from: KR Convertible on March 04, 2021, 09:52:55 AM
There WAS a product called Westleys Bleche Wite. That stuff was great!! Black Magic bought them out a couple of years ago and WRECKED IT! It doesn't work nearly as good. If you want the original, you have to pay up.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westleys-Bleche-Wite-Tire-Cleaner-Spray-HTF/324251726917?hash=item4b7ee8b445:g:SUkAAOSwugJeb8JD
+1. Was good now it's not nears as good. I use super clean now.
It works on many things but is strong so when using on other things besides tires do a test first and I strongly recommend gloves .Your skin reacts the same if not mores so like when exposed to the old Bleche wite .
Thankfully, I picked up two 1 gallon jugs a few years back at Englishtown. Hopefully, my boys haven't gotten into them.
Quote from: KR Convertible on March 04, 2021, 09:52:55 AM
There WAS a product called Westleys Bleche Wite. That stuff was great!! Black Magic bought them out a couple of years ago and WRECKED IT! It doesn't work nearly as good. If you want the original, you have to pay up.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westleys-Bleche-Wite-Tire-Cleaner-Spray-HTF/324251726917?hash=item4b7ee8b445:g:SUkAAOSwugJeb8JD
Yup.... years ago Westleys was the bomb. I used it on my wide whitewalls on my Harley-Davidson Road King. It worked great. The new version couldn't clean a toilet, since that's where it belongs anyways IMO.
Any opinions on these tires for a 67? Fit? They say "Goodyear"....
https://www.lucasclassictires.com/225-70R15-Goodyear-Poly-Steel-Sm-Letter-P3AC3.htm
Quote from: 67 GT350 on April 14, 2021, 11:15:45 AM
Any opinions on these tires for a 67? Fit? They say "Goodyear"....
https://www.lucasclassictires.com/225-70R15-Goodyear-Poly-Steel-Sm-Letter-P3AC3.htm
That's a nice looking tire and a good option if you want a radial tire... Modern radials look awful on restored cars.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on April 14, 2021, 11:15:45 AM
Any opinions on these tires for a 67? Fit? They say "Goodyear"....
https://www.lucasclassictires.com/225-70R15-Goodyear-Poly-Steel-Sm-Letter-P3AC3.htm
Fran,
At the price of one of those..... you can almost have a full set of 4 BFG's and as you saw they stick pretty well while driving somewhat spirited. In fact... I think it was the white lettering that memorized the cop who didn't see or hear us over by The Woods ! Hell that was a $250 savings right there !! Thank you BFG !!
BG
LOL.....I know, they are a lot. I wonder on the quality. I wish GY made a RWL tire that was a radial....I might just go with the BF Goodrich's....
Quote from: 67 GT350 on April 14, 2021, 11:15:45 AM
Any opinions on these tires for a 67? Fit? They say "Goodyear"....
https://www.lucasclassictires.com/225-70R15-Goodyear-Poly-Steel-Sm-Letter-P3AC3.htm
That's what I'm running. I've been happy with them. I blacked out all lettering except "Goodyear". I ran Speedway bias ply for years, so pretty familiar with them. These tires drive like modern radials by comparison. At 225/70 they're larger than E70 Speedways and fill wheels a bit more for a good look IMO. As we know, radial tire choices with Goodyear lettering are extremely limited. All things considered, I've found these tires to be a decent alternative.
WOW they do look good on your car. How do you "black" them out, and keep them black? Clearence works Good?
Quote from: 67 GT350 on April 15, 2021, 09:47:20 AM
WOW they do look good on your car. How do you "black" them out, and keep them black? Clearence works Good?
Thanks, flat black spray paint...was probably Krylon, if that matters. I've mostly just had to do dry wipe downs at most. So, can't really say how durable would be in anything harsher. If figured I could touch up if needed. Otherwise haven't had any clearance issues, etc.
They do look good..... very good.
I know Bob, its got me thinking and I know they are pricey. I do think I would see how all the lettering looks on the car, then if I deem it, black it out.
I saw a set of BFGs a few years ago that were blacked out except for the 'Goodrich'.... and they made me look twice.....
You have got me thinking again.....
Only one side of the BFG T/A's are in white lettering, the reverse is unpainted so you can just have them mounted black lettering facing outward. You can take a wire brush or wheel to the painted lettering side if they still bother you. :)
Shelbys do not look good with BLACKWALLS, they need some sort of wording. Goodyear is best, but those hard plastic non radial tires are horrible.
typically the (RWL) white lettering is molded-in white rubber - not paint, wiping or grinding-off not an option.
The radial Goodyear is a much better tire then the bias ply is but the tread pattern that they use is still the same.
Part of the issue with the bias ply tires is the tread was designed for smoothness and quietness but not much else.
The treads are very similar to the first generation of BFG T/A's which would hydroplane before the rain even got there.
It is strange that the tread rubber is so hard and only gives you 8,000 to 10,000 miles of life at best.
I personally found that I would start to hear the wear warning blocks at about 6,500 miles.
There isn't anything criminally bad about the first generation of the bias "performance" tires it's just that the criteria has changed. There was already technology in existence being used on the race tires but for some reason it was not crossing over to the street tires. Maybe it was the lawyers?
In NYS, annual inspections are and were mandatory. The bias ply was always an issue for that since the inspectors would want to use the warning block height as the wear point and technically you needed more then 25% of tread life left to pass.
The wear blocks would appear right about then at about 3 to 4/32 of tread left.
I also had several that were out of round brand new. Good thing they were pretty, unless you kissed a curb, they weren't good for much else.
I remember the Goodyear's were $125 each and buying Kelly's for $100. There was a department store here called Floyd's. They sold retreads for $25 each. The street racers would buy those and go through a set in a couple of weeks.
When I first saw the Avon's I got a flashback. The treads look the same as the Floyd's retreads. I'm still not convinced so when I see someone with the Avon's, I always ask if "you like them or not?" ;)
Quote from: 67 GT350 on April 16, 2021, 02:31:11 PM
Shelbys do not look good with BLACKWALLS, they need some sort of wording. Goodyear is best, but those hard plastic non radial tires are horrible.
+1
Ever notice while watching an auction on TV (either Barret-Jackson, or Mecum) that there are plenty and many cars equipped with BFG's. You'd think Goodyear would notice that.
Quote from: roddster on April 17, 2021, 11:39:56 AM
Ever notice while watching an auction on TV (either Barret-Jackson, or Mecum) that there are plenty and many cars equipped with BFG's. You'd think Goodyear would notice that.
+1
At the recent Sebring race Pre grid there was a Goodyear tire engineer making note of who was using what brand of tire. By and large the big bore cars were using Hoosiers rather than Goodyear and I think he was a little miffed judging by his facial expression.
Regarding using white lettering, I personally prefer an original black wall look, the white lettering didn't become popular till the late 60's (thanks Mickey Thompson) so my Carryover and 66 sport what they were born with. If you prefer the white lettering so be it.
~Steven
Quote from: roddster on April 17, 2021, 11:39:56 AM
Ever notice while watching an auction on TV (either Barret-Jackson, or Mecum) that there are plenty and many cars equipped with BFG's. You'd think Goodyear would notice that.
In my fantasy world, Goodyear starts putting raised white Goodyear letters on Avons (which they just bought) and selling them to the vintage/Musclecar world.
I can make that AVON to GOODYEAR dream a reality.
Quote from: CSX2259 on April 17, 2021, 01:58:52 PM
I can make that AVON to GOODYEAR dream a reality.
Can you post your contact info again?
Buy from Krause, have shipped to you? Or are you stocking tires?
Quote from: CSX2259 on April 17, 2021, 01:58:52 PM
I can make that AVON to GOODYEAR dream a reality.
;D ;D
Quote from: roddster on April 17, 2021, 11:39:56 AM
Ever notice while watching an auction on TV (either Barret-Jackson, or Mecum) that there are plenty and many cars equipped with BFG's. You'd think Goodyear would notice that.
+1 and if more means I agree more then +5000000
Quote from: CSX 4133 on April 17, 2021, 01:06:25 PM
At the recent Sebring race Pre grid there was a Goodyear tire engineer making note of who was using what brand of tire. By and large the big bore cars were using Hoosiers rather than Goodyear and I think he was a little miffed judging by his facial expression.
Regarding using white lettering, I personally prefer an original black wall look, the white lettering didn't become popular till the late 60's (thanks Mickey Thompson) so my Carryover and 66 sport what they were born with. If you prefer the white lettering so be it.
~Steven
Yes, I would agree with that also, how they came is how they look the best. 67 on up I feel, need white lettering. 65-66 did not, am I correct on that?
However, if I get lucky enough to acquire a 66, I think I might have to think about that. It can go either way with me....
Everyone is grinning on the, I can make they say Goodyear gig, let talk price.....
4 Avon's plus shipping, plus shipping, plus lettering. HOW MUCH?
or
4 BF Goodrich's plus shipping, plus shipping, plus lettering. HOW MUCH??
or
Harry Reid (no name, butcher boy black wall scamp tires) plus shipping, plus shipping, plus lettering. How Much???
The cost of 5he lettering conversion with tire shaving is $800, it is a good two to three days worth of work. This price covers any brand of tire not just AVONs. You buy the tires and have them shipped to my door, when we are done they are shipped to your door at your expense.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on April 17, 2021, 05:18:58 PM
Everyone is grinning on the, I can make they say Goodyear gig, let talk price.....
4 Avon's plus shipping, plus shipping, plus lettering. HOW MUCH?
or
4 BF Goodrich's plus shipping, plus shipping, plus lettering. HOW MUCH??
or
Harry Reid (no name, butcher boy black wall scamp tires) plus shipping, plus shipping, plus lettering. How Much???
In fairness, BFG's are not in the same performance universe as Avon. Either extreme performance is worth it to you or not. Your choice.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on April 17, 2021, 05:13:38 PM
Quote from: CSX 4133 on April 17, 2021, 01:06:25 PM
At the recent Sebring race Pre grid there was a Goodyear tire engineer making note of who was using what brand of tire. By and large the big bore cars were using Hoosiers rather than Goodyear and I think he was a little miffed judging by his facial expression.
Regarding using white lettering, I personally prefer an original black wall look, the white lettering didn't become popular till the late 60's (thanks Mickey Thompson) so my Carryover and 66 sport what they were born with. If you prefer the white lettering so be it.
~Steven
Yes, I would agree with that also, how they came is how they look the best. 67 on up I feel, need white lettering. 65-66 did not, am I correct on that?
However, if I get lucky enough to acquire a 66, I think I might have to think about that. It can go either way with me....
65 Blue dot did not have raised white letters. 66 Bluestreak tires did.
Quote from: 2112 on April 17, 2021, 07:55:49 PM
Quote from: 67 GT350 on April 17, 2021, 05:18:58 PM
Everyone is grinning on the, I can make they say Goodyear gig, let talk price.....
4 Avon's plus shipping, plus shipping, plus lettering. HOW MUCH?
or
4 BF Goodrich's plus shipping, plus shipping, plus lettering. HOW MUCH??
or
Harry Reid (no name, butcher boy black wall scamp tires) plus shipping, plus shipping, plus lettering. How Much???
In fairness, BFG's are not in the same performance universe as Avon. Either extreme performance is worth it to you or not. Your choice.
If I was into extreme performance, I would be in a 2020 GT500? Right?
Quote from: 67 GT350 on April 17, 2021, 08:34:59 PM
Quote from: 2112 on April 17, 2021, 07:55:49 PM
Quote from: 67 GT350 on April 17, 2021, 05:18:58 PM
Everyone is grinning on the, I can make they say Goodyear gig, let talk price.....
4 Avon's plus shipping, plus shipping, plus lettering. HOW MUCH?
or
4 BF Goodrich's plus shipping, plus shipping, plus lettering. HOW MUCH??
or
Harry Reid (no name, butcher boy black wall scamp tires) plus shipping, plus shipping, plus lettering. How Much???
In fairness, BFG's are not in the same performance universe as Avon. Either extreme performance is worth it to you or not. Your choice.
If I was into extreme performance, I would be in a 2020 GT500? Right?
Then the BFG or similar is perfect for you. 8)
2112 or anyone else interested, my email jkb5 at sbcglobal dot net, or you can PM me here through the SAAC Forum.
As this is a custom service we do not keep tires on hand, to many brands and sizes to worry about.
Quote from: 2112 on April 17, 2021, 07:55:49 PM
Quote from: 67 GT350 on April 17, 2021, 05:18:58 PM
Everyone is grinning on the, I can make they say Goodyear gig, let talk price.....
4 Avon's plus shipping, plus shipping, plus lettering. HOW MUCH?
or
4 BF Goodrich's plus shipping, plus shipping, plus lettering. HOW MUCH??
or
Harry Reid (no name, butcher boy black wall scamp tires) plus shipping, plus shipping, plus lettering. How Much???
In fairness, BFG's are not in the same performance universe as Avon. Either extreme performance is worth it to you or not. Your choice.
I think the comparison was price based..... like me, I am aware of the BFGs limited capabilities but at least they drive/handle better than the square bias plys that are currently on the market..... of course the 15 inch diameter selection, or lack there of, has something to do with it as well.
You can shave the BFG's and apply the Goodyear billboards on them too at somewhat of a savings.
Everyone is going to have their own opinions but I feel it very safe to say that a BFG T/A is far beyond the original Goodyear tires capabilities.
If you want to treat a vintage Shelby like a current 8 second GT500, I'd suspect that is gross overkill but if you've got the bucks, go Avon.
Now if someone is suggesting equating Avon's with W's, then there is justification in Europe for putting W rated tires on cars. The "Autobahn" speed rules state the tire has to match the speed capabilities of the car but no such laws apply here in the US. A W here is just a status symbol here in my view.
My speedometer only goes to 140 in my Shelby's so there isn't any fun in going faster. Now my Pantera is a different story. That one goes to 200!
As far as how each react at speed on the track I can advise that the '68 steering gets very "light" when the speedometer is buried. That Pantera gets "spooky quiet".
Any idiot can drive the Pantera fast. The Shelby can be somewhat of a handful though.
P7 Pirelli's ("V"s) are on the Pantera. BFG's ("S"s) on the Shelby. Both have advantages and disadvantages.
I love some big Goodyear script and those new ones posted ,look pretty good on those radials I just wish the script was a little bigger, speaking of which how big did the Goodyear script get thisv68 seems to have really big script.
Quote from: 68krrrr on April 18, 2021, 03:46:10 PM
I love some big Goodyear script and those new ones posted ,look pretty good on those radials I just wish the script was a little bigger, speaking of which how big did the Goodyear script get thisv68 seems to have really big script.
68 used the smaller letter version for a while then went back to the large letter version like in the photo before finally changing to the all blackwall tires .
FYI,
I can do the letter size to whatever letter height You require.
It looks like Krause's finally have AVONs in stock again, Bella just did this large letter transformation for somebody on here.....
All done....