https://www.facebook.com/RedEMotorsports/photos/a.367139833890754/773943249877075/?type=3&theater
Stumbled across this photo online. Carroll looks great and the bumper sticker says it all.
What does the bumper sticker say? It is cut off?
Is the glove box signed? If so, Enzo sig or CS sig?
That's the Ferrari Ford bought to benchmark against the new (not newest) Ford GT.
QuoteWhat does the bumper sticker say? It is cut off?
Is the glove box signed? If so, Enzo sig or CS sig?
It says "I'd Rather Be Driving a Ford GT"
Quote from: 68countrysedan on March 27, 2021, 01:01:10 PM
QuoteWhat does the bumper sticker say? It is cut off?
Is the glove box signed? If so, Enzo sig or CS sig?
It says "I'd Rather Be Driving a Ford GT"
GOT IT, VERY COOL. Sorry for some reason It was cut off ....
Reverse engineering at its finest. :-[
Quote from: 427heaven on March 27, 2021, 09:21:19 PM
Reverse engineering at its finest. :-[
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Actually that is the absolute facts of life..... Having a TOP BRASS family member that was a part of the Original 1960s group of executives that made decisions of what FORD would or would not do- for 50 years gives me a unique perspective of how things work. ALL automotive companies do it as well as other unrelated companies in different businesses, thats why they developed PROPRIETARY info so things cant be copied. Cuts way down on engineering, development, wind tunnel testing etc. If you watched the FORD vs FERRARI movie he was one of the (suits) with a scowl on his face, He likes to win and save money while doing so. ;)
Are we talking about the original 60's GT40 or the '05-'06 FGT That the bumper sticker was in reference to?
The '05-'06 FGT borrowed Zero engineering from the F430. The 430 Carroll was standing next to was used to confirm all of the performance capabilities of the FGT would meet and/or exceed the 430.
I was part of a team that did videos for Ford - The Truth About Trucks. We used an F150, Chevy, Ram, Toyota and Nissan. We tore them all down and compared the cheaper poorer engineered parts to the F150. There were a few things they didn't let us show. Like the drum brakes on the rear of the Chevy. They said we're considering doing that too it saves $3 per truck. The flex in the hinge area of the Dodge door or the fact they just added .010 to the thickness of the existing frame under the cab to barely make the new crash test. All the others already exceeded the test for several years. In the end they stored all the parts we did comparisons on (in case the other brands wanted to sue) and the rest of those brand new trucks went to the crusher. I think some of the videos are still on YouTube. It was Ford's biggest DVD give away at the time over 5 million of them.
Quote from: 2112 on March 28, 2021, 11:30:01 AM
Are we talking about the original 60's GT40 or the '05-'06 FGT That the bumper sticker was in reference to?
The '05-'06 FGT borrowed Zero engineering from the F430. The 430 Carroll was standing next to was used to confirm all of the performance capabilities of the FGT would meet and/or exceed the 430.
Which is why I posted that it was used as a benchmark for the new Ford GT. BTW Ford was POed at Leno for him loaning his GT to Toyota (or maybe Nissan, I forget which) for them to use as a benchmark for a car they were developing.
The Ferrari in the photo is a 360 Modena. Neil Hannemann told me that was their benchmark car. The F430 wasn't out yet.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on March 28, 2021, 12:58:55 PM
The Ferrari in the photo is a 360 Modena. Neil Hannemann told me that was their benchmark car. The F430 wasn't out yet.
Tomato, Tomatoe. ;)
Lol!
Quote from: 2112 on March 28, 2021, 11:30:01 AM
Are we talking about the original 60's GT40 or the '05-'06 FGT That the bumper sticker was in reference to?
The '05-'06 FGT borrowed Zero engineering from the F430. The 430 Carroll was standing next to was used to confirm all of the performance capabilities of the FGT would meet and/or exceed the 430.
Reverse engineering is a VERY long way from benchmarking a competitive product, these terms are not interchangeable and convey very different facts.
now does everybody use reverse engineering ( an attempt to copy in a "legal" way ) or benchmarking,
the 1st is a dangerous path as it can leave the person/organization at risk for legal action,
the 2nd is a prudent method of seeing if your product does perform well against it's competition.
IMHO
jim p
Quote from: 6R07mi on March 29, 2021, 01:29:58 PM
Quote from: 2112 on March 28, 2021, 11:30:01 AM
Are we talking about the original 60's GT40 or the '05-'06 FGT That the bumper sticker was in reference to?
The '05-'06 FGT borrowed Zero engineering from the F430. The 430 Carroll was standing next to was used to confirm all of the performance capabilities of the FGT would meet and/or exceed the 430.
Reverse engineering is a VERY long way from benchmarking a competitive product, these terms are not interchangeable and convey very different facts.
now does everybody use reverse engineering ( an attempt to copy in a "legal" way ) or benchmarking,
the 1st is a dangerous path as it can leave the person/organization at risk for legal action,
the 2nd is a prudent method of seeing if your product does perform well against it's competition.
IMHO
jim p
Xactly
Well, unless you are in China. Rules don't apply there.
Quote from: 6R07mi on March 29, 2021, 01:29:58 PMReverse engineering .... is a dangerous path as it can leave the person/organization at risk for legal action,
They all do reverse engineering and then they launch hordes of engineers and lawyers at what they discovered and how to legally adapt it to their own product.
Hadn't seen that CS photo, pretty kool !
Pictures of Carroll Shelby
http://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=1106.345
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 28, 2021, 11:35:35 AM
Quote from: 2112 on March 28, 2021, 11:30:01 AM
Are we talking about the original 60's GT40 or the '05-'06 FGT That the bumper sticker was in reference to?
The '05-'06 FGT borrowed Zero engineering from the F430. The 430 Carroll was standing next to was used to confirm all of the performance capabilities of the FGT would meet and/or exceed the 430.
Which is why I posted that it was used as a benchmark for the new Ford GT. BTW Ford was POed at Leno for him loaning his GT to Toyota (or maybe Nissan, I forget which) for them to use as a benchmark for a car they were developing.
Leno is a SELLOUT.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 29, 2021, 03:11:26 PM
Quote from: 6R07mi on March 29, 2021, 01:29:58 PMReverse engineering .... is a dangerous path as it can leave the person/organization at risk for legal action,
They all do reverse engineering and then they launch hordes of engineers and lawyers at what they discovered and how to legally adapt it to their own product.
A few years ago there had to be 3 distinct engineering changes that would deem it to be a non copied entity. Bota boom, Bota bing good to go. The point I was trying to make is if you are a racer and you are getting your a-- handed to you week after week because you are a little company SHELBY AMERICAN and you look around at the sleek aerodynamic designs they were producing (OTHERS) you take that sleek design that cheats the wind so nicely and make some of your own improvements now you have something special! To say there are no design or engineering used from other car makers is laughable. Look around today the KIAS HYUNDAI CHEVY FORD TOYOTAS of today are so similar if you removed the badges most people couldnt tell the difference. That is not by coincidence. The rest is figured out by their Lawyers.
Quote from: 427heaven on March 29, 2021, 08:44:14 PM....today the KIAS HYUNDAI CHEVY FORD TOYOTAS of today are so similar if you removed the badges most people couldnt tell the difference.
Sometimes it is the same car. https://carfromjapan.com/article/industry-knowledge/subaru-and-toyota-manufacture-same-car-the-strategy/
;D There you go and Im sure many more do it with out us knowing it. I learned in the moto world SUZUKI and KAWASAKI are in a collaboration for engines and parts. Keeps the brands alive.
Quote from: 427heaven on March 29, 2021, 11:11:23 PM
;D There you go and Im sure many more do it with out us knowing it. I learned in the moto world SUZUKI and KAWASAKI are in a collaboration for engines and parts. Keeps the brands alive.
Yamaha and Ford for the SHO Taurus engines. Ford had to cast the iron blocks here and ship them to Japan. Japan had no iron engine casting ability left.