Have a trick induction system that is quite unique to say the least.
bottom part of intake, bolts to heads, has 8 injectors located in the ports.
2nd part of Intake is a full pledged supercharger/blower.
Drives are external and by crank.
Scoop on top of blower,
Pete and Scot have viewed pictures, found nothing like it in their books, we don't know who cast it, or what it was built for.?
Does have a 427 MR it is sitting on, all items are fresh.
Has special poured heavily dished forged pistons
Very cool though.
had to be an experimental set up, funny car, maybe Force, or all out race boat?
Anybody here have friends or museums into the early big boy stuff?
John
Sounds like something that Pro Stock Engineering might have made in Southern California.
Roy
Show me or email me a picture or two . I CAN identify it for you. No doubt there. Blown 427 MR engines "were" used allot in boats and to a lesser degree in race cars .
Randy
I can post them if you want. TOOFASTTBIRD@verizon.net
Here are the pictures.
(https://i.imgur.com/rtKIDKhh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZHgNXaQh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/pUb91ruh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/v9g6klTh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/T02gfHmh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mVm4faxh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/huWTJjhh.jpg)
Where is the intake the blower bolts to? Here is who owns Bowers today.
https://theblowershop.com/about-the-blower-shop-roots-style-superchargers/
98 SVT,
I did forget to forward the intake picture.
It is as unique as the other parts shown.
Sent 1109 ,the picture of the intake, which he kindly pasted the pics to help me,
john
I said to John , off line , that this appears to be a never completed blown 427 project. Side oiler block , medium riser heads , 8-71 aftermarket supercharger , 7.5-8-1 pistons , stock steel crank , etc. It is interesting that the rods aren't aluminum as is typical in a drag race engine of this nature. "I" am leaning toward a marine application.
(https://i.imgur.com/hdm1xiEh.jpg)
Just wondering if a marine application would use an automatic transmission flex plate if that is part of the package?
Roy
Its very possible... Drag boats use transmissions in many of the upper classes speed wise. My boat ran twin turbos, V drive, and a c6 transmission for a lake boat. Transmissions are just cool in a boat.
Quote from: 1109RWHP on April 01, 2021, 06:41:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/hdm1xiEh.jpg)
Looks like Speed Master. I don't see the injectors in the ports - hidden nitrous??
98SVT - was 06GT,
Top picture,
Thanks Randy for your your assistance, and 1109>>> appreciate the posting's, thanks !!!
Marine, not sure, did talk to a few old dogs about the flex plate, they said that slip& slides from Gm were used sometimes back then, and still today,
Marine could explain why no ex manifolds are shown, but yet, would have been headers on a early funny car application.
Weird that nothing like it has surfaced in mags, talks etc.
Just a conversation piece.
BUT, sure would be neat to get all the new parts together, fire it and run some passes?
Does anybody know John Force?
Thanks again randy for researching,
Respectfully
John
Casting numbers on the block and heads would help identify it.
They could be "marine 427" heads but I thought thouse were low risers? Heads may not match the block. I think side oiler blocks are C5AE-A casting ID's?
I don't remember the mains side cap bolts being countersunk like that. My 427 block has surface mounted cap screws and extra thick flat washers.
John,
That is NOT an early funny car engine , I can guarantee that. Nitro engines could NOT run steel rods , they used aluminum. Steel rods failed in that type of use. I was around during the evolution from carburators to fuel injection , the change to alcohol fuel , superchargers and eventual use of superchargers and nitro methane fuel. The group of parts you have would not be typical of a nitro burning engine and the majority used in the time period were of the SOHC variety not a medium riser like you have.
For those unfamiliar , early funny cars ( through "about 1970") used automatic transmissions so a flex plate would be common. That however is not a "nitro' flexplate , it is a standard production piece not "up to" the demands of a supercharged nitro engine.
Quote from: shelbydoug on April 02, 2021, 09:16:34 AM
They could be "marine 427" heads but I thought thouse were low risers? Heads may not match the block. I think side oiler blocks are C5AE-A casting ID's?
The cylinder heads nor the block are of the typical sort used in the commercial "Marine" applications. But if curious, most (if not all?) of the marine intention blocks had brass core plugs. ;)
Scott.
John... What you have is a cool period, correct bunch of parts. By the time that combo was going to be used it probably was slated for a play toy or a lower division of racer. You mention FORCE the division which he raced and currently races is the top dog division- TOP FUEL and as RANDY MENTIONED would not run anything even close to what your combo is. By the mid 1960s if you didnt come to the track with the latest and greatest MOPAR offering (ELEPHANT POWER) the proverbial king of the hill (HEMI) It was going to be a very long day for those running different engine combinations. Many tried running big Chevys and Cammers with very limited success until they realized around 1970-71 I better get a HEMI if I am going to keep at it. Cool pieces!
This has been for sale for a long time - Put it all together for a good cackle fest toy.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/ctd/d/sherman-famous-colt-45-mustang-fastback/7297357806.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/found-vintage-colt-45-mustang-funny-car-%E2%80%93-and-its-for-sale/ar-BB177jLm
Quote from: pbf777 on April 02, 2021, 10:48:36 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on April 02, 2021, 09:16:34 AM
They could be "marine 427" heads but I thought thouse were low risers? Heads may not match the block. I think side oiler blocks are C5AE-A casting ID's?
The cylinder heads nor the block are of the typical sort used in the commercial "Marine" applications. But if curious, most (if not all?) of the marine intention blocks had brass core plugs. ;)
Scott.
You are correct that these would not be "H&M" style marine parts , but MANY period "flat bottom" ski/race boats ran blown medium risers without brass core plug blocks.The Enderle 'hat" is a mid 70's and later version . Same for the blower. The manifold does look more current now that I see it. As I said a "piece together" blown gas engine .
Guys,
Plenty of action and thoughts, let me say;
I started with the process of elimination.
from the beginning of posting it, all was speculation, and more or less, what type of racing was it being built for.
I doubt it was set for Nitro, which the early altered/funny cars etc never used as far as I know. ?
I think the block, heads etc were all in the process of being machined etc, like the poured pistons<
Street cars were out of the picture, NASCAR was out of picture, course track scca type racing was out of picture.
Left with Drag race and marine.
Freeze plug's lean towards street, but s pointed out, its all debatable. & I believe that.
Force, yeah, I have learned if you don't ask, you will never know. Force may know who had it, raced it, or had it banned, or may nothing at all.
it is experimental without doubt , >>>>>>>> and 427, yeah, it is just cool. >>>>>>
98SVT, such a cool picture and find >>>>>>>> WOW, would be cool to combine both, and have one real bad ass Mustang, might as well make it a Shelby then>>
It is neat to gather info on a piece that has been obscure>> forever !!
Thanks guys, it is a enjoyable & knowledgeable.
Respectfully
John
John Force only raced ONE Ford powered funnycar and it was the cammer powered , Jack Chrisman "sidewinder" . The car handled SO poorly it scared young John and he sold it almost immediately ( circa '74). Again I was "there , then".
The "modern" Ford's he campaigned were virtual copies of a 426 Hemi fuel engine. I have been around drag racing since '64 and practically lived at the track , so I have above average knowledge on the subject.
Posted by: gt350hr,
I believe what your saying about Force.
Process of illumination.
I do not think it was built in the 70's at all.
1965-1967 maybe? Part numbers point that way?
Somebody has to know something about it?
this induction/blower/intake and parts, were not a novice build, at least I don't think so.
John
I think the most expensive Boss 9 in the world has a system like the FE model fuel injection we are discussing.
Key words of search, Force, Kaletta, a Al Extand?, United States army, Car craft, Ford and Bill Goldberg
LAWMAN, SUPER BOSS.
Maybe the right track, now to see who ran this FE set up in 65-66.
Cool !
Respectfully,
John
JUST FOUND MORE;
This system appears to be the beginning of fuel injection on ford race engines, made its way to "the first flip top cars', then into the SOHC, then into the BOSS 9
John- I dont want to be the guy that rains on any ones parade but from my own experience I have a couple of HOLMAN MOODY race engines with all the goodies. I was told of who ran them and what they were capable of but in reality there was no way to prove any of it! One of my engines came out of a grand national circle boat from the mid 60s and was capable of 135 mph, named SPOOKY but all is for nothing without proof of some kind. There are hundreds of engines out their that were running blowers on them that have been shoved to the back of some ones garage and would be a racers idea of going fast with out Fords involvement. It is fun to think of who may have run that combo maybe some famous team, but in reality it could have been just as easily run by some guy with a penchant for speed.
427 heaven,
In an article that I read, it was used by select racers, then the cammer came.
Article said that the guys running without huge budgets , ran this system on their cars.
So yeah, you are correct.
But, every idea starts somewhere, and I am pretty sure that this is the beginning?
Bottom line is that it was built, it was used and then further developed more.Evidenced further by the $630 K LAWMAN
Kaletta did run a set up like this to, and I believe Dyno Don Nicholson.
I never paid any of it a second mind, until I noticed that many cammers ran a internal Injection into an intake under a blower, that surprised me, as I had never noticed that lack of carbs in many old pictures.
One may never know, this did come out of Coopers 50-60 year collection.
Going to be listed for sale herein SAAC
For all I know, it is from the flip top SVT placed the link on ?
Respectfully,
John
Quote from: Harris Speedster on April 04, 2021, 08:52:01 AM
427 heaven,
In an article that I read, it was used by select racers, then the cammer came.
Article said that the guys running without huge budgets , ran this system on their cars.
So yeah, you are correct.
But, every idea starts somewhere, and I am pretty sure that this is the beginning?
Bottom line is that it was built, it was used and then further developed more.Evidenced further by the $630 K LAWMAN
Kaletta did run a set up like this to, and I believe Dyno Don Nicholson.
I never paid any of it a second mind, until I noticed that many cammers ran a internal Injection into an intake under a blower, that surprised me, as I had never noticed that lack of carbs in many old pictures.
One may never know, this did come out of Coopers 50-60 year collection.
Going to be listed for sale herein SAAC
For all I know, it is from the flip top SVT placed the link on ?
Respectfully,
John
I for one dig that setup! It began in the late 1950s adapting what is called a ROOTS type GMC blower, to basically anything that can ingest a force fed diet without exploding. The 6-71 blowers were used on top of all sorts of engines just different intake manifolds were developed to accept these type of blowers. You could run it on a small block Chevy a Hemi or anything else. Blown and injected was and is the ticket to making power. Connie Kalitta the patriarch of that racing dynasty ran 6-71 blowers back in the day , today they are 12-71 blowers and are very advanced to make 15,000 Horsepower and can run 1000 feet in 3 seconds. Unlike 600-700 HP from back in the day! Was that stuff from Wes Coopers stuff! :)
427 Heaven,
I too like things that have a WOW factor.
It is cool and I would bet sounds real good when running at full throttle.
I checked out the one link SVT posted, I actually believe this is the company that bought the company that built these for many years
Think their history page said around 1984.
I sent them the link at SAAC to see and hear what everybody thinks. Will be interesting to see what their archives have.
These belong to John Cooper in Michigan . Have sold a lot of his pieces here at SAAC over the past 4 -5 years.
Respectfully,
John
Quote from: Harris Speedster on April 03, 2021, 06:30:22 PM...... now to see who ran this FE set up in 65-66.
Speed Master who it looks like made your blower manifold opened for business in 1979.
John,
Neither Kallita nor Dyno Don never ran a blown Medium riser. Kallita ran one of THE first blown cammers in his dragster and Don didn't run a blower on his cammers until '68. As I said the blower and injectors are mid '70 vintage at best ( probably later). You are chasing history the doesn't exist , sorry. Early "fuel" altereds DID run nitro and it began use in funny cars in '66. I'm not downplaying the nice parts you have but "historical significance " won't be found.
Randy,
I will plug along with it.
I believe it is from the 60's and not the 70's
I did say that when cammers came along, low budget guys got this type set up.
When I get more research done, will fill in anything I find of value.
Do appreciate your help as always,
With respect,
John
As you continue you research you WILL find the "injector hat" , Bowers supercharger, and the intake manifold are post '70 items. Tommy Grove was one of the first to use an Enderle fuel injector hat in '67 and those early versions had three fins on the top rear of the casting. Fortunately for you Enderle Fuel Injection is still in business and if you reach out to them , can tell you exactly what you have including what fuel it is set up for.
GT350 hr
thanks for digging further into the set up.
Did Tommy Grove run a FE back then, 60's ?
I will take your lead and make contact with them.
Will post what I find out from them.
Respectfully,
john
John
Tommy raced a Plymouth until lured away to Ford in '65. He raced a '65 Mustang with a 427 High riser . "Late" in the year he finally got a cammer. For '66 , he was given one of the "long nose" cammer powered "funnycars" which he ran injected through '66 until he got the '67 Logghe flip top funny car and began running the blower.
Randy,
I contacted the Blower company, nice people.
They guided me to Don Hampton.
Sending him the pics and info .
Very interesting times and characters.
John
Mid to late 70s would be my guess, somehow there should be a way to approximate its age.
I would expect to see, Hilborn 4 port, Crower 8 port or maybe a Scott single blade on a race motor from the mid to late 60s. The hat with the anodized red Venturi blades would be more of a 1970s or later application. I was thinking it could be a Gasser engine as the teams or individuals that raced in those classes could be very diverse. Then you have the formed stainless steel feed lines, those are definitely from a later period.
I started dealing with Ron Miller in the late 1980's / early 1990's. This is just the sort of thing that would have been used to power a lakes boat in that period of time. Parts like these were relatively plentiful and not too expensive compared to buying big Chevy or Chrysler Hemi parts. It would have made a reliable 525 - 575 HP all day long on the lake just roaring around or maybe pulling a skier or two.
Of course Ron was / is in the SoCal area, but these were popular anywhere a guy had spare time, a fair budget, and liked Ford stuff.
Royce ,
I moonlighted at FPP doing "behind the scenes work" there for a couple years , leaving in '87 for personal reasons.
Back then you could buy a flat bottom boat with a 427 Ford for a couple of thousand or LESS and throw away the boat. The biggest concerns were cracks in the parts from misuse "on the water".
BB Chevrolets had literally made the Ford "obsolete" in the minds of boat owners because of parts cost and availability.
Miller is still around selling used cars.
I had an 81 Dodge Aries when I was a kid.
I was wanted to get another and make it a dedicated drag car with a blower motor.
Ford engine, put chevy SS emblems on it.
Would be the ideal "funny car."
LOL exactly the sort of thing Ron used to say. I imagine he liberated a lot of crazy Ford 427 stuff from boats that never set sail under power again. His newsletters were great, wish I had saved them.
Quote from: gt350hr on April 12, 2021, 11:35:15 AM
Royce ,
I moonlighted at FPP doing "behind the scenes work" there for a couple years , leaving in '87 for personal reasons.
Back then you could buy a flat bottom boat with a 427 Ford for a couple of thousand or LESS and throw away the boat. The biggest concerns were cracks in the parts from misuse "on the water".
BB Chevrolets had literally made the Ford "obsolete" in the minds of boat owners because of parts cost and availability.
Miller is still around selling used cars.
Quote from: gt350hr on April 12, 2021, 11:35:15 AM
I moonlighted at FPP doing "behind the scenes work" there for a couple years ,
When we first started buying stuff from Ron it was out of the garage at (I thing) his moms house. Somehow he knew all the places to buy the good stuff even in a time when every SoCal speed shop had shelves of used parts. Don Blair was almost like a pawn broker loaning people money on their parts and cars. Even after he closed his second store he had several cars and a barn full of parts at his house that people had defaulted on.
I did block work , screw in freeze plugs , transmissions , differentials , parts ID. Stuff like that. I felt like like I made a difference when I was there , but had to leave.
UPDATE;
Some new pics came in today from Cooper.
Some parts have M/T cast into the part
Micky Thompson.
Go figure ?
All the adj rocker arms and 427 pedestals are there, and a spec sheet was found for the poured pistons.
That would line up with boat parts because both Holman Moody Stroppe (Holman Moody on the east coast) and Mickey Thompson were big suppliers of speed boat parts for FE engines. Some of that stuff is highly collectible, there is a Chris Craft forum run by "P" that discusses that sort of thing regularly.
Quote from: Harris Speedster on April 12, 2021, 05:23:25 PM
UPDATE;
Some new pics came in today from Cooper.
Some parts have M/T cast into the part
Micky Thompson.
Go figure ?
All the adj rocker arms and 427 pedestals are there, and a spec sheet was found for the poured pistons.
Royce,
With all due respect, it can also be attributed to drag racing, correct?
I am following along, and I am amazed whats coming out about the builders, racing parts suppliers and more.
The only 427 boat motors I have ever witnessed, had brass plugs.
I have had 3 Chris craft mahogany boats in my life, double and triple cockpits, barrel backs, real cool, real class.
All early 1950's models, so no FE, CC motors,
I will look up the CC boat site, and pass the link here to SAAC,
There are always exceptions.
Respectfully,
John
These 427 Ford engines were never factory installed by anyone in boats and used typically a 427 side oiler with steel freeze plugs. The collection of parts in your photos is not typical of any drag racing class but is quite typical of the sort of ski boat / fun boat style used on lakes in the 1970's - 1980's and beyond. H-M and others made a lot of money building things like this to customer specs, so you never see any of them exactly like another.
I mentioned P's Chris Craft forum because they are discussed there, not because this collection of engine parts has any connection to Chris Craft. As far as I can see it's more oriented like a typical single engine speed boat which is not something Chris Craft was known for. I am trying to help you.
There is quite an interest in speed boats of that era and you seem to have all the right parts other than say a pair of cast aluminum Nickson water cooled exhaust stacks.
Quote from: Harris Speedster on April 13, 2021, 09:14:01 AM
Royce,
With all due respect, it can also be attributed to drag racing, correct?
I am following along, and I am amazed whats coming out about the builders, racing parts suppliers and more.
The only 427 boat motors I have ever witnessed, had brass plugs.
I have had 3 Chris craft mahogany boats in my life, double and triple cockpits, barrel backs, real cool, real class.
I will look up the CC boat site, and pass the link here to SAAC,
There are always exceptions.
Respectfully,
John
I've been saying this all along! The 427MR head was NOT "commonly" used in blown drag engines. While they were fine in a naturally aspirated application they became a restriction in a supercharged application. They were easily 3-500 HP less than a blown 392 ( or so) Chrysler hemi that was the go to engine for funny cars and fuel cars until the 426 Hemi and the cammer took over.
Brass freeze plug blocks were made for customers like Chris Craft where "long term" engines ( in the boat) were built. Flat bottom and ski racers had no reason to use a brass plug block as they were not in the water year round.
One of the items in John's pictures is a cam driven water pump as used in a marine application , not drag racing. I still do not believe all of these pieces were one assembled engine and they are a gathering of parts from different sources. Not trying to down play what you have , as there are some nice parts , but it is not what you "hope" it is in a former funny car engine.
Got this from our very own Vinman. It's from the SAAC Archives.
Another one from the SAAC archive - thanks Vinny!
This one no doubt used some sort of flex coupling between the two motors to keep from breaking parts.
Quote from: Royce Peterson on April 13, 2021, 12:26:54 PM
Got this from our very own Vinman. It's from the SAAC Archives.
Spectre was mainly a ski boat builder. https://boats-from-usa.com/spectre/spectre-251868
Somebody probably blew up their boat and wanted an engine with better bragging rights - without buying new exhaust, mounts, etc.
Probably Shelby selling off left over parts. It's after they left the airport and were running Shelby Racing and the parts biz out of a Torrance warehouse.
Was the "427 lightweight" the R Code 427 from the lightweight Galaxie?
That boat "was" originally powered by a V12 Allison ( and is again with it's current owner) Then owner /builder Rudy Ramos was told by the APBA that aircraft engines would not be allowed in that class any longer , so he went to SAI for a couple of 427's. It was faster as the 427's could run 7,000 as opposed to the 4,000 limit on the Allison.
Oh well , back to topic.
Quote from: gt350hr on April 13, 2021, 11:10:03 AM
I've been saying this all along! The 427MR head was NOT "commonly" used in blown drag engines. While they were fine in a naturally aspirated application they became a restriction in a supercharged application. They were easily 3-500 HP less than a blown 392 ( or so) Chrysler hemi that was the go to engine for funny cars and fuel cars until the 426 Hemi and the cammer took over.
Brass freeze plug blocks were made for customers like Chris Craft where "long term" engines ( in the boat) were built. Flat bottom and ski racers had no reason to use a brass plug block as they were not in the water year round.
One of the items in John's pictures is a cam driven water pump as used in a marine application , not drag racing. I still do not believe all of these pieces were one assembled engine and they are a gathering of parts from different sources. Not trying to down play what you have , as there are some nice parts , but it is not what you "hope" it is in a former funny car engine.
Randy,
facts seem to display that it was not a funny car, sure they did start life with 427's though, as you say, before cammers.
You are a wealth of info on the topic,
Will find out if there is an actual water pump. or lines /adapters that bolt onto the block for water circulation, excellent point.
Guess they poured the pistons,for the std block and stopped.
Cooper could not remember if it was ever ran. when he bought it, e
I ran a Hillborne on a 289 for awhile, it had a electric water pump that drove the water to the radiator.
Fuel was driven by the cam
John
A Cobra buddy of mine has one of Mickey Thompson's own race boats, circa mid-late 60s, with a 427.
Need a full resto, but it is cool to look at.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on April 13, 2021, 08:27:44 PM
A Cobra buddy of mine has one of Mickey Thompson's own race boats, circa mid-late 60s, with a 427.
Mickey had a lot of great leftover parts in his warehouse. We bought 2 Cammers and a bunch of other stuff when we were building the Mega Buck Pantera. We found it best to go with cash on payday when he was scrambling to make the payroll.
Which warehouse? His private one or the 1 in Long Beach?
Roy
Royce and Randy,
Love the pics you posted Royce, cool!
I totally appreciate the help guys..
Been selling stuff for Cooper for 5 years now, business partner in three ways.
I wish that I had more history from the beginnings of the engine build, but not so lucky.
I guess it might be whatever someone wants it to be now days.
It is neat without doubt.
If anybody wants it, for sale in the parts section.
Thanks guys.
John
More from the SAAC archives - the Vinman wanted to make sure everyone knew the lightweight engines were not from lightweight Galaxies. More likely leftover from the 427 LeMans program which Shelby was very involved in. Or the Goodyear tire program perhaps. Either way these made dandy 427 MR power plants wherever they ended up and even more if you added a blower or injection or both.
Royce note that the invoice is from the 190th st address which would become "Shelby Racing Co." and field the '68-69 T/A efforts. This was a former paint manufacturing building and CS leased it for a song until "shut down" at the end of the '69 season. ALL of the race parts inventory from the "airport" facility was taken there.
Randy
Quote from: TA Coupe on April 14, 2021, 03:21:17 AM
Which warehouse? His private one or the 1 in Long Beach?
We were only able to get him to turn loose of stuff from Long Beach.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on April 14, 2021, 02:41:39 PM
Quote from: TA Coupe on April 14, 2021, 03:21:17 AM
Which warehouse? His private one or the 1 in Long Beach?
We were only able to get him to turn loose of stuff from Long Beach.
+1 Long Beach shop. John House sold me allot of stuff over the years and then there was the "Ron Miller " sale.
Was Ron buying or selling?
He was the "seller" for Mickey. Sold allot of stuff for M/T.
I was talking with Mickey at the sema show about the stuff I bought from him and said I wish I had some tunnelport heads and intake for the short block (which I was told was a back up for Bonneville) I bought from him and he said get hold of me later and I'll take ya to the private warehouse that only my son and I know about. He said they would ship out a container load of stuff from Ford in a railroad Box and would stop at the Long Beach warehouse and then go on to their private warehouse with the other half. I think that a lot of the stuff that his son was selling on the side came from there, but no proof of that.
Roy
The Anaheim st warehouse is where much of the "old stuff" was. I bought a TP short block "from Bonneville" and a NEW reverse rotation TP complete engine ( marine use) that were stored there since '68. There were mag and aluminum SBC blocks, a hundred cranks a thousand rods ( steel , alum , ti) , old race cars etc. This may be the place he was talking about.
Randy, what happened to the rest of the stuff, after Mickey was dead?
I honestly don't know. That would be a question for Danny. I was never able to get in after his death. There was never a "sale" after his passing that "I" know of.
I heard that Danny would show up at the Long Beach swap meet with stuff for sale and I think I may have heard that from Gus but can't remember for sure. When I bought my tunnel port 302 short block from the Long Beach where house there was a SBC block that was made out of magnesium and I could pick it up with 2 fingers. One of the Bonneville cars was there along with tons of boss 9 stuff.
Roy
I never saw Danny there selling stuff. Maybe what you heard was actually Fritz Voigt , Mickey's engine builder who sold there until his passing.