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The Cars => 1967 Shelby GT350/500 => Topic started by: papa scoops on April 11, 2018, 12:55:19 AM

Title: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: papa scoops on April 11, 2018, 12:55:19 AM
ok, we all know about the railroad crash, has anymore news come up on these cars? phred
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: gt350cs on April 11, 2018, 10:35:28 AM
Since the topic has be resurrected, does anyone know where #2363 was being shipped to? I have all the others identified, but this one I could not find.

Also was it ever determined where the accident occurred. We do know that they were sold to Santa Fe Salvage Depot in Los Angles, CA.

The only cars that I have pictures of in my files are #2946, #2339 and #2759, missing the others.

Dennis



Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: JD on April 11, 2018, 10:50:43 AM
"Road Reptile", on this and the old forum, has been chasing this incident and the cars for a number of years.  Maybe he'll repost some of his knowledge.

Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Side-Oilers on April 11, 2018, 01:47:59 PM
I am very interested in learning more about the crash, the location, the date, and the serial numbers of the cars involved.

Also, if anyone knows the numbers of the undamaged Shelbys on the same train.   
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: gt350cs on April 11, 2018, 03:46:59 PM
The information that I have lists 14 cars total, the numbers are as follows:

#2240
#2270
#2339
#2363
#2365
#2511
#2621
#2679
#2702
#2757
#2759
#2801
#2807
#2946

Dennis




Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Side-Oilers on April 11, 2018, 06:53:26 PM
Imagine the amount and variety of swear words that came out of CS's mouth that day!
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: BGlover67 on April 11, 2018, 06:54:18 PM
I've been looking into this with Greek for a bit.  Very interesting topic, but hard to find more info.  It would really help if we could figure out what rail road SA used to ship cars.

Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 2112 on April 11, 2018, 07:55:58 PM
Imagine the amount and variety of swear words that came out of CS's mouth that day!

I am guessing the check from Ford cashed so he probably did not give a c*ap.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Wedgeman on April 11, 2018, 08:28:49 PM
Registry says #2946 was sold..THROUGH...Santa Fe Salvage in LA to Southern Pacific Railroad, bought & picked up on 9/12......
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Chad on April 11, 2018, 09:53:12 PM
Imagine the amount and variety of swear words that came out of CS's mouth that day!

I think it was more like “let’s make some extra money off the insurance company”!
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Richstang on April 11, 2018, 11:29:25 PM
I've been trying to find the old thread on the "Internet Archive" website, but so far no luck.

Dennis / gt350cs,
I think JD posted the ID #2807 as a match to a photo of a white GT350 that appeared the Mid-Ohio SAAC convention. I'll send you that photo.

Wedgeman,
I'm sure gt350cs knows of the registry info. He's hoping someone might have the actual dealer it was intended to be shipped to. That's something that should be noted on an invoice or Marti report.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: gt350cs on April 12, 2018, 10:30:34 AM
rich,

You are right it is the intended dealer that I am looking for. I have all but that one.

I will keep an eye out for the photo.

Thanks,

Dennis
 
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Road Reptile on April 14, 2018, 01:31:29 PM
Hi all,
This is a longtime unsolved cold case..we need several key pieces of info to solve this and I would really like to know exactly when and where it happened...
I met the heavy equipment operator in 1985 that claimed he did the site cleanup of this derailment...he has since passed away. We have seen the rail industry bought/sold/merged so many times
over 50 years that we may not get any more answers to our questions. I have asked if anyone knows who was responsible for car shipment by rail-Shelby had cars shipped this way for years,as well
as by Hadley Transport truck...At this point we only know most of the damaged cars were repaired and later sold. I would be happy to know the process of how a completed car was shipped out of
Shelby American. I think someone at Ford may help and will chase that lead as a next step.
R.R.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Side-Oilers on April 14, 2018, 03:54:01 PM
I am interested in seeing any pix of the train crash.

And maybe a few factual bullet points for those of us just now coming up to speed on the topic.

Thanks! 
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: greekz on April 14, 2018, 06:13:00 PM
This is a mystery for sure.  There was/is a railroad line running from the Chevron El Segundo Refinery, past LAX, and terminated at Taylor Yard by Dodger Stadium.  Taylor Yard is where rail cars were transferred to other trains headed north, east, or south.  I am thinking the derailment happened sometime between June 27 and July 7,  since the replacement for my car(2339), 2340 was shipped in early July.  The fact that all of the cars were cycled through the Santa Fe Salvage Depot, which seems to have been in the Los Angeles area, leads me to believe the derailment happened in the Los Angeles area. Santa Fe Salvage Depot might have been on Santa Fe Street or in the town of Santa Fe Springs.  One of the cars(2759) was sold to its first owner by Glendale Ford.

I think the derailment happened on the way to or at Taylor Yard.  There are no ICC or DOT records of this derailment on open tracks during this time period.  Southern Pacific Railroad used that section of track during the time period in question and most likely the transporter due to the fact they assumed ownership of the cars.  My Marti Report indicates Southern Pacific Railroad as the selling dealer.

This is the conclusion I have come to with all of the research I have done.  This includes the following:

Talking with a former Southern Pacific Railraod Engineer
Contacting the Southern Pacific Railroad Historical Society
Contacting Stanford University Library where Southern Pacific Railroad archives are kept
BNSF Raiload

A last piece of the puzzle could be the paper trail.  Probably a memo to Shelby American from the railroad outlining the derailment, insurance memo with details of payment, or other documentation within Shelby American.  To date, I have not been successful on any of these fronts.

Greek

Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: honker on April 14, 2018, 07:26:23 PM
I think ?  I saw an image of this somewhere ? would there not be something in a newspaper ? mind you, rail yards, and rail lines were pretty private, and remote places, even back in the day. sorry, did this happen '68 ?

I'm sure you guys have covered all the angles ! what about looking somewhere like this ?

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Pages/railroad.aspx

If you go to the last page in the link, they go back to '67
 

Mike
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on April 14, 2018, 07:50:04 PM
Possible hints. Cars were stored/loaded/unloaded at Ford in Pico Rivera plant. Hadley is a tow truck company in City of Industry and also has car haulers for delivery to dealers - they go all over the LA area. Taylor yard was generally used for shipments coming out of the LA Harbor and going north. There is a yard by the Long Beach Freeway below the 60 freeway (used for E transfers) another one by Valley Blvd & Azusa in City of Industry handled a lot of cars (mainly GM coming into Socal). Also a large yard just east of Ontario Airport and another along the 10 Freeway in Colton. Santa Fe salvage etc could be anywhere as that is one of the railroads. If you can't find any news articles on the derailment I suspect they may have dumped them in one of the yards. What damage did the cars receive? That may indicate a slow speed yard spill or high speed main line wreck.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: greekz on April 14, 2018, 08:14:01 PM
The two main railroads heading east at the that time would have been ATSF and Union Pacific.  In communications with BNSF(formerly ATSF) employees, the ATSF did not have salvage yards in the Los Angeles area.  Also, freight heading east would have also been transferred to Union Pacific at Taylor Yard.

Here is some information about train routes in the 1960's.

For Santa Fe, the likely freight route would have been Los Angeles to Chicago on what's now known at the BNSF transcon mainline.  That route goes from Los Angeles to San Bernardino, Barstow and Needles in California, then Kingman, Flagstaff and Winslow, Arizona.  From there, the route goes through Gallup, Belen and Clovis, New Mexico.  Then, Amarillo, Texas, through the panhandle of Oklahoma to Wellington, Kansas.  The train would then go to Emporia, Kansas by way of the transcon mainline or through Wichita to Newton, then east.  From Emporia, the train would go to Kansas City via either Topeka or the transcon mainline.  From Kansas City, the line goes through Marceline, Missouri to Fort Madison, Iowa, then through Galesburg through Joliet to Corwith Yard south of downtown Chicago.

The likely interchange points would be either Kansas City or Chicago, as Santa Fe's only line into Nebraska is a branch from Kansas to Superior, Neb., primarily used for grain shipments during harvest season.  Also, in the 1960s CB&Q, C&NW, Rock Island, Milwaukee Road and Illinois Central each had routes that covered parts of Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska and Missouri.  Given that revenue was based on line haul miles, if the auto loads originated on Santa Fe in Los Angeles, Santa Fe would have preferred to take them to Chicago for interchange.  However, the shipper may have dictated where the interchange would take place as Kansas City would be a natural because all of these railroads had lines there.

The other routes to Chicago from Los Angeles would have been Union Pacific to Omaha via Salt Lake City and Cheyenne, Wyoming, then interchanged to one of the other railroads at Omaha, Kansas City or St. Louis.  UP did not have a line to Chicago at that time.  Southern Pacific would take the shipments to Tucumcari, New Mexico, for interchange with Rock Island (Golden State Route), or to St. Louis via the Sunset Route and Cotton Belt for interchange with other railroads.  SP did not have lines to Chicago or Kansas City.  The most direct route would have been Santa Fe.

Greek
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: greekz on April 14, 2018, 08:26:58 PM
What damage did the cars receive? That may indicate a slow speed yard spill or high speed main line wreck.

As far as damage received I can only speak to my car and 2759.  It appears my car had some damage to the rear and 2759 had some major damage to the front sheet metal.

I also found out during correspondence with railroad personnel, if there were no fatalities or extensive property damage a report may or may not have  been generated.

Greek
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on April 14, 2018, 10:20:18 PM
A friend of my parents was a railroad cop for Santa Fe. They had a warehouse where the stored loads that had something stolen from them until the claims were settled. I always bothered him that they'd have to store a load of shampoo for 90+ days while the theft of a couple bottles was investigated. I wonder if that is the depot mentioned? I think it was in Commerce.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Road Reptile on April 30, 2018, 05:31:24 PM
Hi all in SAAC land,
Just to answer a few questions.This was a low speed derailment most likely caused by a wheel bearing failure on the right side of the freight car. Both Shelby's I have seen had right rear damage...indicating the load shifted and caused the damage. The heavy equipment operator said he only buried 1 car in the sand and never said
a location....we were in California when he told me this...also makes sense it was in Ca. because the salvage company was in L.A. and most cars were repaired and then
sold in the L.A. area later in 1967. What is amazing is no one seems to know the process that S.A.I. went through to load cars on to trains for out of state shipment. It
makes sense that they used Fords existing system which we think was from Pico Rivera, yet we can find no proof of this and to date no former S.A.I. employees have remembered much of anything to do with trains, or who did this- so think about this--in the first few months of 67 production more than 90 of the 100 cars finished were sent out of Ca. by rail. Somebody must know the way it was accomplished. I think S.A.I. Simply called the car carrier (Hadley transport) and they trucked the cars to the
rail yard, from that point they linked into Fords distribution system and they were sent to the various out of state dealers....now we just need to prove which yard or
to ask even more questions like who figured out how to direct the shipments.
  Regards R.R.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on April 30, 2018, 08:05:46 PM
The heavy equipment operator said he only buried 1 car in the sand and never said a location....
You may need to widen your search. This would indicate the crash took place along highway 10 or 40 both have tracks along them. 10 was the southern route and you reach sand just east of Beaumont (Riverside county). 40 is further north and you get to the sand just past Barstow (San Bernardio county). Hard to dig clay dirt is in most of the other parts of SoCal.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Side-Oilers on April 30, 2018, 08:18:47 PM
Here's a few Qs:

Was it standard procedure for a damaged car to be buried at the crash site? 

Did a heavy equipment operator have that kind of discretion over someone else's property?

Wouldn't the insurance company have impounded the Shelby, to determine the $$ payout?

I agree with 98SVT about where the "sand" areas of SoCal, alongside the train lines, is likely to begin.   

I'm not disputing anything that anyone else knows about this event. But, I'm scratching my head at the question of a buried car. 
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Dizzy on May 01, 2018, 07:16:15 PM
I have ZERO knowledge about this train accident that involved Shelby produced cars. That being said,I can only offer my own experience with insurance salvage and the amount of theft involved. In the Chicago area I worked with the Dealers Transport operation at 130th / Torrence which was very near Chicago assembly plant....they drove from the plant to the shipping yard. That shipping yard handled many Ford vehicles,from train to truck. The Ford dealer I worked at from '66 / '80 had a contract to repair damage in transit. That included thefts ( most common) and damage during transit. Many high performance cars were vandalized while in transit ( which included storage for weeks in large storage/holding lots) Black market for am-fm radios,4 speed trans,wheels/tires ,etc was at a peak then. We would take the damaged vehicle (usually Mustang,Fairlane,etc) back to our dealer and order anything /everything needed to put it back to "original". See any flaws with this yet? As with any theft and insurance claim there were those that "padded" the repair estimate....yes,people lie. I dealt with same insurance adjusters for many years that were crooked as they come. Railroad salvage companies added to the payoffs and false claims and special railroad detectives (also known for taking a little cash under the table.......
When a BIG claim happened (like Shelby cars,not cases of pickles) the politics took over. First boss on the scene made the call for "clean up" and inventory recording. Depending on the cargo (tv sets and liquor were in big demand for their resale value) the little guys were pushed aside by the big money guys. The story of a car being buried is ridiculous and may still be out there in some garage waiting for the next MM crew to "find" it. Don't waste your vacation time with a metal detector looking for that car.
 I bought many,many insurance salvage cars over the years and had to deal with burned out Corvette cars that others only had a way to "repair" . Chop shops were funded by mafia,and controlled by mafia around Chicago. They might have buried Hoffa,but not a Shelby on railroad insurance  8)
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 2112 on May 01, 2018, 10:22:52 PM
I have ZERO knowledge about this train accident that involved Shelby produced cars. That being said,I can only offer my own experience with insurance salvage and the amount of theft involved. In the Chicago area I worked with the Dealers Transport operation at 130th / Torrence which was very near Chicago assembly plant....they drove from the plant to the shipping yard. That shipping yard handled many Ford vehicles,from train to truck. The Ford dealer I worked at from '66 / '80 had a contract to repair damage in transit. That included thefts ( most common) and damage during transit. Many high performance cars were vandalized while in transit ( which included storage for weeks in large storage/holding lots) Black market for am-fm radios,4 speed trans,wheels/tires ,etc was at a peak then. We would take the damaged vehicle (usually Mustang,Fairlane,etc) back to our dealer and order anything /everything needed to put it back to "original". See any flaws with this yet? As with any theft and insurance claim there were those that "padded" the repair estimate....yes,people lie. I dealt with same insurance adjusters for many years that were crooked as they come. Railroad salvage companies added to the payoffs and false claims and special railroad detectives (also known for taking a little cash under the table.......
When a BIG claim happened (like Shelby cars,not cases of pickles) the politics took over. First boss on the scene made the call for "clean up" and inventory recording. Depending on the cargo (tv sets and liquor were in big demand for their resale value) the little guys were pushed aside by the big money guys. The story of a car being buried is ridiculous and may still be out there in some garage waiting for the next MM crew to "find" it. Don't waste your vacation time with a metal detector looking for that car.
 I bought many,many insurance salvage cars over the years and had to deal with burned out Corvette cars that others only had a way to "repair" . Chop shops were funded by mafia,and controlled by mafia around Chicago. They might have buried Hoffa,but not a Shelby on railroad insurance  8)

Ahh... Ain't America great?     ::)
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: roddster on May 02, 2018, 09:28:58 AM
  I can add to Dizzy's story:  I worked at the Chrysler pre-delivery center just up the tracks from 130th and Torrence in Chicago.  This was at 101st and Stony.  Worked there from 1970 to 1975.  There was a "Cassen's" transport rail head there.  Yes, numerous cars came in vandalized.  Especially hood pins, batteries, things easilt removable.
   Also, I way doubt the "car being buried" story.  Insurance compamies just don't work that way.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: gt350shelb on May 02, 2018, 11:42:48 AM
I chased this  a while ago and came up  with no records ......
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: BGlover67 on May 02, 2018, 02:07:11 PM
How cool is it to think that there might be a long lost wrecked '67 Shelby buried under the sand?  Even if it's toast, the promise of it would fuel many would be treasure seekers to get off their rear ends and buy a metal detector.  I call first dibs on the assembly line Autolite battery!
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Side-Oilers on May 02, 2018, 02:26:24 PM
I hope there's not a buried Shelby out there.

Once the CA gov't nannies would hear about it, they'd have the entire desert closed, fenced off, quarantined, and declared an ecological disaster area.

The sand from hundreds of square miles would have to be removed, sifted, treated with a magic potion, and taken to a top secret holding location for 200 years. 
Replacement sand would need to be air-freighted in from the Sahara.

Then, of course, huge punative fines would be levied against the RR company, Shelby, FoMoCo, and every sub contractor that provided any part on the car. 

Oh wait, I forgot one...the air in the tires would be 51 years old, and thus full of era-correct smog. That's another public health hazard to be harshly dealt with.

So, IMO:  If it's out there, let's leave it be.  ;)

Peel out.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: gt350cs on May 02, 2018, 02:36:10 PM
Side-Oilers,

That most definitely describes the current condition of California! It's time to stop the MADNESS!!!!
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 2112 on May 02, 2018, 03:01:03 PM
Side-Oilers,

That most definitely describes the current condition of California! It's time to stop the MADNESS!!!!

And Washington.

Our loons copy everything your loons do.   :-\
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: gt350cs on May 02, 2018, 03:06:17 PM
2112,

What are you thinking? STOP them at the border! Build the WALL!
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 2112 on May 02, 2018, 05:09:36 PM
Too late. We are already have been Californicated. We even have our own moonbeam. Moonbeam Inslee. You will see more of him as he runs for POTUS on the Carbon tax to fix Climate Change platform.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: George Schalk on May 02, 2018, 06:42:05 PM
Does anyone have pictures they'd be willing to post of the train wreck or of the Shelby's after the wreck showing the damage ? 
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on May 02, 2018, 08:30:06 PM
There would have been no insurance company involved. The railroads self insure. I could see some big wig at the crash site making a decision that a car was a total loss and not worth hauling back to the storage place and trying to recoup a few hundred dollars as salvage. At that time junk yards were paying $25 for a car you drove in. I can also see that RR worker going back with a couple buddies and digging it up. Of the cars listed are any not in the registry?
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: greekz on May 02, 2018, 09:09:20 PM
Fourteen cars are listed in the registry as derailment cars.  The rail cars held fifteen cars, so either there were only fourteen on the rail car, or one is not listed.  If they were bringing fourteen cars back with various degrees of damage, why not bring all fifteen.  There has to be some memo somewhere in S.A.I files pertaining to the cars, to date nothing has surfaced.

I have compiled a spreadsheet containing all fourteen cars, their number, and where they were being shipped.  Unfortunately, the spreadsheet does not paste on the forum in any readable form.

Greek
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on May 02, 2018, 11:32:47 PM
There has to be some memo somewhere in S.A.I files pertaining to the cars, to date nothing has surfaced.
Maybe not once they were shipped they no longer owned them. One source might be a parts invoice for multiple fiberglass parts to one place shortly after the wreck.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: BGlover67 on May 03, 2018, 07:22:36 AM
I communicated with Greek over this for a while and I'd like to make a guess that the car that was buried is car no. 2147, a Brittany Blue GT350, 4 speed.  DSO 2591.  Check out the Registry.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Bigblock on May 03, 2018, 09:10:45 AM
How cool is it to think that there might be a long lost wrecked '67 Shelby buried under the sand?

Lets have the guys from Oak Island, Civil War Lake Michigan Gold, and the Amelia Earhart guys start digging. ;)
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Dizzy on May 03, 2018, 10:10:42 AM
Back in late '60's and early '70's we would go to Calumet Auto Wrecking in Hammond ( from Boom to Zoom )to see all the late model engines on display in their showroom. You could see most any of the really "hot" engines there,from Tripower 435 hp 'vette to Hemis,440 six pack MoPar and a few HiPo Fords.Most came from wrecked on highway cars or some theft recovery and burned cars,etc. Those high performance engines and related parts were very expensive and never within most young mens reach.My point is that when these factory hot rods got parted out they brought big dollars and big dollars attract criminals. I used to bid on insurance salvage cars and was amazed at the winning bids for some meatballs that were 396 Camaro/Chevelle,Corvette,etc. that wrecking yards bought to part out. I had a friend that bought a complete Pontiac 389 w/tripower to put in his'55 Chevy. Seems he paid $1000 for engine/trans in '68-'69. Some railroads may have been self-insured but knew how to recoup on losses at railroad salvage outlets. That is where it got ugly. Money is the root of all evil :-\
 Research those outlets for any oldtimers that might still be around,or out of jail  ;D
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: TLea on May 03, 2018, 04:12:30 PM
I have pictures of 2240. The current and original owners son shared this with me,

My father bought the blue GT350 from the Santa Fe salvage yard in San Bernardino California. There were 14 cars on their was to the upper Midwest when the train derailed. Two cars we damaged but the Santa Fe policy was they must buy all of the product. My father and grandfather were long time railroaders and got first dibs on the cars. You have to hear my fathers version of the cars on the lot. He tells of a special order 427 with a supercharger but I have never been able to validate it. Anyhow he purchased #2240 for my mother and brought it home to
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: greekz on May 03, 2018, 05:15:48 PM
I have pictures of 2240. The current and original owners son shared this with me,

My father bought the blue GT350 from the Santa Fe salvage yard in San Bernardino California. There were 14 cars on their was to the upper Midwest when the train derailed. Two cars we damaged but the Santa Fe policy was they must buy all of the product. My father and grandfather were long time railroaders and got first dibs on the cars. You have to hear my fathers version of the cars on the lot. He tells of a special order 427 with a supercharger but I have never been able to validate it. Anyhow he purchased #2240 for my mother and brought it home to


Interesting information, but raises a few questions. 

1.  If he is saying these cars were being transported by Santa Fe, how does Southern Pacific get involved?  SPRR sold all of the cars after picking them up from Santa Fe Salvage Depot.

2.  I know 2759 and I believe my car, #2339 were damaged.  Hard to believe there were only two.

3.  Does the current owner of 2240 now any details of the derailment?

4.  The latest registry states the Santa Fe Salvage Depot was in Los Angeles, CA not San Bernardino.

Greek
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Builder 2 on May 03, 2018, 10:12:18 PM
Has to be quite a few people that worked on the crew to rerail the train. Question is are they alive anymore?
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: shelbymann1970 on May 04, 2018, 08:18:45 AM
Fourteen cars are listed in the registry as derailment cars.  The rail cars held fifteen cars, so either there were only fourteen on the rail car, or one is not listed.  If they were bringing fourteen cars back with various degrees of damage, why not bring all fifteen.  There has to be some memo somewhere in S.A.I files pertaining to the cars, to date nothing has surfaced.

I have compiled a spreadsheet containing all fourteen cars, their number, and where they were being shipped.  Unfortunately, the spreadsheet does not paste on the forum in any readable form.

Greek
screen shot the spread sheet  and post as a pic.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: greekz on May 04, 2018, 10:06:48 AM
Fourteen cars are listed in the registry as derailment cars.  The rail cars held fifteen cars, so either there were only fourteen on the rail car, or one is not listed.  If they were bringing fourteen cars back with various degrees of damage, why not bring all fifteen.  There has to be some memo somewhere in S.A.I files pertaining to the cars, to date nothing has surfaced.

I have compiled a spreadsheet containing all fourteen cars, their number, and where they were being shipped.  Unfortunately, the spreadsheet does not paste on the forum in any readable form.

Greek
screen shot the spread sheet  and post as a pic.

Thanks, I will try that.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: gt350cs on May 04, 2018, 10:10:51 AM
This is what I have recorded, still hoping to find out more about these cars. It makes since that there could have been 15 cars based upon how they were typically loaded,

02240 - University Ford Sales, Inc. - Champaign, Illinois
02363 - UNKNOWN
02365 - Stark Hickey Ford, Inc. - Royal Oak, Michigan
02621 - Downtown Ford - Detroit, Michigan
02807 - Hayes Motor Company - South Sioux City, Nebraska
02946 - Yates-Stevens Ford - Kirkwood, Missouri
02270 - Larry Lange Ford - Cedar Falls, Iowa
02339 - Larry Lange Ford - Cedar Falls, Iowa
02757 - Larry Lange Ford - Cedar Falls, Iowa
02759 - ABJ Ford, Inc. - Trenton, Illinois
02511 - F.A. Groves Ford - Cape Girardeau, Missouri
02679 - Larry Lange Ford - Cedar Falls, Iowa
02702 - University Ford Sales, Inc. - Champaign, Illinois
02801 - Burns Ford, Inc. - Louisville, Kentucky

Dennis

greekz: please post the picture so we can compare notes. Thanks
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: TLea on May 04, 2018, 10:19:13 AM
I have pictures of 2240. The current and original owners son shared this with me,

My father bought the blue GT350 from the Santa Fe salvage yard in San Bernardino California. There were 14 cars on their was to the upper Midwest when the train derailed. Two cars we damaged but the Santa Fe policy was they must buy all of the product. My father and grandfather were long time railroaders and got first dibs on the cars. You have to hear my fathers version of the cars on the lot. He tells of a special order 427 with a supercharger but I have never been able to validate it. Anyhow he purchased #2240 for my mother and brought it home to


Interesting information, but raises a few questions. 

1.  If he is saying these cars were being transported by Santa Fe, how does Southern Pacific get involved?  SPRR sold all of the cars after picking them up from Santa Fe Salvage Depot.

2.  I know 2759 and I believe my car, #2339 were damaged.  Hard to believe there were only two.

3.  Does the current owner of 2240 now any details of the derailment?

4.  The latest registry states the Santa Fe Salvage Depot was in Los Angeles, CA not San Bernardino.

Greek
Great questions. Unfortunately I am just relaying info and don't have a personal investment. However assuming person is not a. lying b. forgetful c. insane/dementia etc I can offer these pices of info based on my communication with him.
1. He is first owner after derail
2. He worked for Sante Fe RR
3. He saw all the cars
4. He still owns 2240
I can try to find out more
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: gt350cs on May 04, 2018, 10:54:25 AM
TLea,

Any information would be much appreciated. Would love to know more about this topic.

Dennis
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: cbrown on May 04, 2018, 10:56:17 AM
As Tim  knows,  We  are getting ready to move # 2240 to our shop. There is going to be a complete story, interview with original owner , and video of us getting car from original owner at his home.   I have already received tons of pictures and paperwork on car.   The original owner is still alive and has great stories about getting the car.   I will post more when we have the details.    Should be a pretty cool story!!!

chris
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Richstang on May 04, 2018, 11:03:12 AM
As Tim  knows,  We  are getting ready to move # 2240 to our shop. There is going to be a complete story, interview with original owner , and video of us getting car from original owner at his home.   I have already received tons of pictures and paperwork on car.   The original owner is still alive and has great stories about getting the car.   I will post more when we have the details.    Should be a pretty cool story!!!

chris

Thanks Chris!
 :)
I'm sure we are all looking forward to hearing more!
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: TLea on May 04, 2018, 12:28:19 PM
Owners son contacted me about 4 months ago. I told him it was a great story and piece of history, story needed to be told. I connected him with good media outfit and after discussion it was suggested the story would be better if car was running  Because of geographic location I felt it was important to connect him with honest, reliable shop in Missouri area. I contacted Chris and he gladly accepted. Stay tuned
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: gt350cs on May 04, 2018, 01:18:28 PM
As Paul Harvey would say, looking forward to "The rest of the story". Appreciate all those sharing with us.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: greekz on May 04, 2018, 09:40:38 PM
My spreadsheet apparently is too large for the Forum and I get the message the uploader is full.

If someone knows how to get it loaded on the thread, let me know and I will email it to you.

Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: greekz on May 05, 2018, 02:44:01 PM
Here is the spreadsheet.  I was able to shrink in down some.

Greek

Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on May 05, 2018, 06:51:15 PM
1.  If he is saying these cars were being transported by Santa Fe, how does Southern Pacific get involved?  SPRR sold all of the cars after picking them up from Santa Fe Salvage Depot.
Santa Fe may have been the transporting company and traveling on SP tracks. If a track failure caused the wreck then liability would become the responsibility of the SP.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: greekz on May 05, 2018, 07:19:42 PM
1.  If he is saying these cars were being transported by Santa Fe, how does Southern Pacific get involved?  SPRR sold all of the cars after picking them up from Santa Fe Salvage Depot.
Santa Fe may have been the transporting company and traveling on SP tracks. If a track failure caused the wreck then liability would become the responsibility of the SP.

That is a valid point.  It is worth looking into. 
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: gt350cs on May 05, 2018, 10:39:59 PM
Thanks for adding the spreadsheet greekz.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Shelby_r_b on May 06, 2018, 09:23:06 AM
Here is the spreadsheet.  I was able to shrink in down some.

Greek

It’s amazing to think that 4 of those cars were headed to the same location in IA! Would never have guessed.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on May 06, 2018, 01:52:20 PM
It’s amazing to think that 4 of those cars were headed to the same location in IA! Would never have guessed.
Early version of Field of Dreams?
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Road Reptile on May 07, 2018, 08:49:50 PM
Hi Rail fans,
A quick note 2621 also had body damage which was evident when you looked inside the trunk,right 1/4 panel was replaced-it was bought at a deep discount, which we assume was due to this
repair,and first registered as a 1967 Chevy G.T. 350  in California. So far that is 3 cars all with damage on the right side. Now you know what I know. Thanks to all who continue to attempt to
figure out a 51 year old case.
Regards R.R.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 67_1183 on May 07, 2018, 09:44:04 PM
Hi Rail fans,
A quick note 2621 also had body damage which was evident when you looked inside the trunk,right 1/4 panel was replaced-it was bought at a deep discount, which we assume was due to this
repair,and first registered as a 1967 Chevy G.T. 350  in California. So far that is 3 cars all with damage on the right side. Now you know what I know. Thanks to all who continue to attempt to
figure out a 51 year old case.
Regards R.R.

Chevy must be a typo, a bad typo.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: gt350cs on May 08, 2018, 10:27:53 AM
I don't believe that was a necessarily typo. I seem to recall some cars being sold through Chevrolet dealership, but I could be wrong. California DMV has been known to make mistakes like this due to uneducated staff. That is not a dig on these people. I am simply saying the we do not know what we do not know as Donald Rumsfeld would say.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Richstang on April 12, 2019, 02:49:01 PM
Another Train Derailment car found!

Brittany Blue GT350 ...Based on the owner noted in the article it should be #2240.

direct link to photos;
http://www.mustangandfords.com/features/1904-infamous-train-derailment-shelby/photo-gallery/#/

or

direct link to article;
http://www.mustangandfords.com/features/1904-infamous-train-derailment-shelby/


EDIT: This is the same car 'TLea' noted in reply #40 and 'cbrown" mentions a few posts later



Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: JD on April 12, 2019, 03:06:08 PM
Alert Road Reptile!!  More here than we've had in years.  Thanks
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Richstang on April 12, 2019, 03:24:42 PM
Imagine the amount and variety of swear words that came out of CS's mouth that day!

Considering the 'late June / early July' date of the derailment, Ford likely had taken over the entire Shelby production operation by that point.
CS wouldn't have even blinked an eye at the disaster, maybe he didn't even know about it. since it wasn't his mess to deal with.

With hoards of '67 inventory to move, Ford (or CS) would benefit from the accident. It was 14 (or 15) less units to move through dealers.
The article mentions the undamaged cars were sold at invoice. Seems the railroad was responsible for the entire lot of cars.
I do think there were 15 cars (each rail car had three rows; 5 cars per row make sense.)
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Richstang on April 20, 2019, 01:31:50 PM
Another one of the 14 (or 15) Railroad derailment cars #2270 just sold on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Shelby-GT350-/183765873297?hash=item2ac94cb291%3Ag%3AOycAAOSwIGBcqo%7Em&nma=true&si=TICahwO8prJxiSfDy6TlUqF7nLg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Most of you may already know the Marti Report notes 'Southern Pacific Rail Road' as the Dealer
One of the 'Z' stamped VIN plate cars too.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: greekz on April 20, 2019, 02:50:26 PM
One of the four ( including my #2339) being sent to Larry Lange Ford, Cedar Falls, IA.  Hopefully, the new owner will join us here and I can add his/her name to my spreadsheet.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: GT350DAVE on April 20, 2019, 05:31:30 PM
Another one of the 14 (or 15) Railroad derailment cars #2270 just sold on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Shelby-GT350-/183765873297?hash=item2ac94cb291%3Ag%3AOycAAOSwIGBcqo%7Em&nma=true&si=TICahwO8prJxiSfDy6TlUqF7nLg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Most of you may already know the Marti Report notes 'Southern Pacific Rail Road' as the Dealer
One of the 'Z' stamped VIN plate cars too.
I think this eBay listing just ended and the car did not sell.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 2112 on April 20, 2019, 06:45:30 PM
Another one of the 14 (or 15) Railroad derailment cars #2270 just sold on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Shelby-GT350-/183765873297?hash=item2ac94cb291%3Ag%3AOycAAOSwIGBcqo%7Em&nma=true&si=TICahwO8prJxiSfDy6TlUqF7nLg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Most of you may already know the Marti Report notes 'Southern Pacific Rail Road' as the Dealer
One of the 'Z' stamped VIN plate cars too.

Nice looking car.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Richstang on June 23, 2019, 12:49:53 PM
This YouTube video was just sent to me by Brian Styles.
Although it focuses on brand X, it is informative on the basic methods of shipping from the factory to the dealers in that era.
It seems the biggest issue was theft from the cars being exposed when sitting stationary on the rail cars.

Certainly we can see that (on many cars) in the '67 footnotes with missing spare tires and antennas that were shipped unassembled in the trunk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTtcPxSag50
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: roddster on June 24, 2019, 09:39:38 AM
  Richstang and all:  Yes, back then the railroad cars were open.  I worked at the Chrysler (Dodge and Plymouth too) predelivery center at 101st and Stoney Island ave in Chicago.  It was next to a rail delivery yard (to also transfer the new cars to transport trucks).  Often parts were borrowed by "Midnite Auto supply" personnel.  Especially cool items like the hood pin lanyards, pins and plates.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Shelby_r_b on June 24, 2019, 09:56:37 AM
Great info!  This also helps explain why some of the 66s came missing simple items.  Apparently, cigarette lighters were a hot item...pun intended  ;)
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Side-Oilers on June 24, 2019, 01:00:45 PM
Great film, Rich, thanks for sharing! 

I wonder how long those Vertipak carriers for Vegas (and/or other cars) were used?

Seems like a really bad way to transport a car, in terms of what happens to all the fluids when it’s standing on end.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: KR Convertible on June 24, 2019, 01:13:23 PM
Vegas were probably designed not to leak when vertical.  Horizontal was a whole different story!!    ;D
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Side-Oilers on June 24, 2019, 01:20:54 PM
Ha!  I wouldn't doubt it.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Richstang on June 24, 2019, 08:41:33 PM
I'm not sure the rail carrier for the Vega's would fit any other cars from GM. Seems like we only ever see it with Vega's nothing else.
I was thinking the same thing about fluid leaks.  :o
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Side-Oilers on June 24, 2019, 10:31:05 PM
Vega/Astre/Starfire/Skyhawk/Monza platform would likely all be very similar (give or take an inch or two.)

But, I have no idea if that vertical system was a Chevy-only experiment.  SOMETHING about it was a bad enough idea to keep the rest of GM, and the industry, from adopting it (AFAIK).
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Richstang on June 24, 2019, 11:13:34 PM
Were getting off topic...but that's my fault for posting this GM video.

I completely forgot about the Monza/Starfire/Skyhawk, and I drove my sister's V8 Monza for a short time.

The Monza was 4 inches longer than the Vega, which might explain why we don't see them on the rail car/Verta-Packs.
GM fit thirty (30) Vegas vs fifteen (15) cars following the normal method, saving some $ on the delivery costs.
The Vega was engineered for vertical shipping with oil baffles. Maybe the Monza wasn't.

Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on June 25, 2019, 11:58:31 PM
Car transport cars were costly to rent. They were 3-4 times as expensive as a box car. One line owns a car and gets paid a daily rental rate by whatever companies track the car is on. That fee was in addition to the per mile charge which was about $1.50 20 years ago when I looked into buying a caboose. The Vega idea was to reduce shipping costs 24 cars vs 15 on regular car.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Richstang on August 15, 2019, 11:43:53 AM
One of the railroad derailment cars, #02270, had two SA ‘1967 GT 350 / GT 500 Mustang Production Order’s (PO's issued).

The first PO was a typical form version with the standard typed info about the car and the hand written dealer name who ordered it (where it was shipped).
-The only difference is the bold hand written note over the entire form “REPLACED / RR Accident”.

The second PO was issued after the RR incident. ALL the info is now hand written on the form.
-In the upper left it has a hand written note “RR08”. Could this mean it was the 8th car in the derailment?
-The DEALER name is hand written “HOR – Southern Pacific RR”. We assume HOR = Home Office Reserve
-The OTHER section has a hand written note “Damaged in RR Accident    Bought and Picked up by RR on 9/12”

It would be nice to compare more PO’s for the other cars involved in this derailment.
I’m speculating they will have a different “RR--” number at the top left, but the same identical DEALER and OTHER hand written notes. 
Perhaps one of these other cars will confirm the 15th car on the train car. It’s worth a look if you have one of these derailment cars with two PO’s.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: greekz on August 15, 2019, 09:39:28 PM
Here is the information on 2339.  Hopefully, others will post theirs.

Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Richstang on August 15, 2019, 10:56:52 PM
Thank you Greek!!!
 :)

This appears to be the second PO issued, based on all the hand written info added.
The first PO would have all the car specific info typed. Do you have that one by any chance?

The handwriting style, slant, etc. is an exact match to the second PO on #2270!

RR05...that's was what I was expecting, a different number after RR. Now we know two of these!

I'm sure you noticed the invoice for #2239 was typed up on 6/28 when it was sent to Larry Lange Ford. I'd guess at that point the derailment had not happened yet, or at the least was not yet reported back to SAI. As you know (we discussed previously), the last of the known 14 cars is noted as shipped on 6/28. Your invoice fits in nicely with that timeline. #2270, also a Larry Lange Ford destination car, had the same 6/28 typed up invoice date.

 
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: greekz on August 15, 2019, 11:12:25 PM
Rich,

Unfortunately, this is the only PO I have.

My guess the derailment happened sometime between 6/29 and 7/5, because 2340, was a replacement for a damaged car and was shipped on 7/7.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Richstang on August 15, 2019, 11:17:27 PM
Rich,

Unfortunately, this is the only PO I have.

My guess the derailment happened sometime between 6/29 and 7/5, because 2340, was a replacement for a damaged car and was shipped on 7/7.

Yes, I agree. The registry has the first two replacement cars noted as shipped on 7/7.

Sorry to hear you don't have the first PO. It may not exist from SAAC (Dave) if you didn't get it with the other.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: jguyer on December 08, 2019, 04:19:51 PM
And what says "Christmas" like trying to recreate the 1967 Shelby Train Wreck?

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/187-081219161438.jpeg)
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Side-Oilers on December 08, 2019, 06:20:27 PM
Way Cool...!!!   Pour a bucket of sandy dirt on the floor, and bury a couple of the cars, for total realism(?)
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: BGlover67 on December 08, 2019, 09:52:44 PM
That is great!
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Road Reptile on December 14, 2019, 01:25:54 PM
Hi,
Just a quick update on the rail invoices-much like Richstang points out-it appears all cars involved in the rail incident had a second invoice made up for the replacement car sent.
I have RR06 which is for 67210F7A02759 Replaced by 2762 and it has a stamped shipping date of June 22 ...as mentioned previously we think the derailment happened between the end of June and
the July 4th weekend....still possibly as late as  July 7th and we finally know that Santa Fe Salvage had a holding yard in San Bernadino we also have learned that the salvage price was most likely based on the "cost "  price of each unit,and the salvage company had to buy the entire shipment. Still many unanswered questions but a few blanks filled in. Now if we could find a former Hadley
transport driver and learn their process it would be huge to help figure this out completely...I hope to learn the date most of all.
Thanks for all that have contributed to this and please keep at it !!
Regards R.R.   
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Richstang on December 14, 2019, 01:47:55 PM
Hi,
Just a quick update on the rail invoices-much like Richstang points out-it appears all cars involved in the rail incident had a second invoice made up for the replacement car sent.
I have RR06 which is for 67210F7A02759 Replaced by 2762 and it has a stamped shipping date of June 22 ...as mentioned previously we think the derailment happened between the end of June and
the July 4th weekend....still possibly as late as  July 7th and we finally know that Santa Fe Salvage had a holding yard in San Bernadino we also have learned that the salvage price was most likely based on the "cost "  price of each unit,and the salvage company had to buy the entire shipment. Still many unanswered questions but a few blanks filled in. Now if we could find a former Hadley
transport driver and learn their process it would be huge to help figure this out completely...I hope to learn the date most of all.
Thanks for all that have contributed to this and please keep at it !!
Regards R.R.

RR,
Please confirm the replacement car number for #02759. The registry notes that #02763 was that replacement unit.

FYI; We've narrowed the train derailment to happen between 6/28 and 7/7
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Richstang on December 14, 2019, 02:13:44 PM
It might be helpful to note the RR#s for all the cars looking for any gaps to confirm if there was in fact a 15th car.
I have RR05, RR06, and RR08 noted to date. Anyone know any of the others with the SAI VIN numbers.
If not, I'll check with Dave AFTER he finishes up with the Registry updates.

Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on December 14, 2019, 02:42:38 PM
Hadley Tow is still in business. The Fontana one would be closest.

Hadley Tow
Towing service in San Bernardino County, California
Address: 15176 Whittram Ave, Fontana, CA 92335
Hours: Open 24 hours
Phone: (909) 355-9282
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Road Reptile on December 19, 2019, 08:36:39 PM
Hi car folks,
Just a quick note to confirm for Richstang....RR06 has for certain 2759 sent to ABJ FORD INC. TRENTON ILLINOIS Replaced by 2762  these are typed numbers not hand written. The upper left has a circled F357  and the upper right has 6/14 circled then the shipping date has Jun 22 1967 stamped in place..Hope this helps. I think  Dave M will have copies. Thanks also for letting us know about
Hadley transport contact info even though we need an employee from the 1960's  we might get somewhere by following up on this contact.
Regards R.R.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Richstang on December 19, 2019, 09:14:25 PM
Hi car folks,
Just a quick note to confirm for Richstang....RR06 has for certain 2759 sent to ABJ FORD INC. TRENTON ILLINOIS Replaced by 2762  these are typed numbers not hand written. The upper left has a circled F357  and the upper right has 6/14 circled then the shipping date has Jun 22 1967 stamped in place..Hope this helps. I think  Dave M will have copies. Thanks also for letting us know about
Hadley transport contact info even though we need an employee from the 1960's  we might get somewhere by following up on this contact.
Regards R.R.

Hi RR,
I'm going to send you a PM on this replacement car VIN number. I'm not sure you understand what I'm questioning, per the registry footnotes.
Rich
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 6972boss on February 26, 2021, 04:54:37 PM
Super rare photo of 67 shelbys on the transport!!🤣🤣
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Rickmustang on February 26, 2021, 05:28:15 PM
Looks kinda small lol
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 2112 on February 26, 2021, 05:49:27 PM
Anyone know the whereabouts of the Calypso Coral car?


 ;D
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: KR Convertible on February 26, 2021, 06:39:34 PM
Would be fun to build a post crash version. 
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: JohnB on February 26, 2021, 06:43:44 PM
Super rare photo of 67 shelbys on the transport!!🤣🤣

GT 0,35 and GT 0,5
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Shelby_r_b on February 26, 2021, 08:03:26 PM
Ah! Proof that they DID give 67s top stripes at LAX. LOL
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 2112 on February 26, 2021, 08:12:19 PM
Ah! Proof that they DID give 67s top stripes at LAX. LOL

 ;D
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 6972boss on February 27, 2021, 01:01:56 AM
Hahaha, you guys....love it!
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 557 on February 27, 2021, 01:44:04 AM
Those wheels..........
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 05, 2021, 10:59:34 PM
History repeats itself. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1699769 This may be the spot to hit with the metal detectors. The Shelby's were headed to the upper midwest and the track that follows 40 is the route. These cars are off in the sand. There may have been only 14 Shelbys, the 15th a railcar could hold may have been some pedestrian Ford headed east.

NEWS: Train Derails near Ludlow

Date/Time: March 3, 2021, 1:00 p.m.

Location: ˝ mile East of Ludlow near National Trails Highway

San Bernardino County firefighters and haz-mat specialists responded to a reported cargo train derailment near Ludlow. An estimated 25-35 railcars derailed, some carrying hazardous materials.

The scene was quickly accessed, and Haz-Mat personnel found one round tank car leaking a flammable liquid known as denatured alcohol (similar to ethanol). SBCoFire and BNSF Haz-Mat were able to enter the tank car and mitigate the hazard. Overall it is estimated that several thousand gallons had leaked from the unit.

There were no injuries and the cause is under investigation. About a 2 mile stretch of National Trails Hwy. near Ludlow remains closed. There was no impact to nearby I-40.

San Bernardino County Fire and BNSF remain on scene to ensure no other leaks and oversee the extensive clean-up process.
Video and photos courtesy of San Bernardino County Fire Dept. Approved for use with credit to SBCoFire.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Richstang on March 12, 2021, 12:28:37 AM
Super rare photo of 67 shelbys on the transport!!🤣🤣

Nice 43rd scales. I didn't know ERTL made a bright red car...
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: 6972boss on March 12, 2021, 01:15:52 AM
I also have a yellow 67 and a dark green 67 from them.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: Bossbill on July 08, 2023, 09:17:32 AM
Is this the kind of rail car used? It's a  tri-level auto-veyor and holds 15 cars. Pic is from around '66.

On edit -- showing how a small derail can cause damage.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: capecodmustang.com on July 08, 2023, 09:28:40 AM
Actually I just purchased a 67 GT 350 that was one of the RR cars that were damaged.

I was surprised to see that on the Marti....
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: GT350DAVE on July 08, 2023, 11:05:14 AM
Marti got that information from the Registry.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: sc4248 on July 08, 2023, 11:24:00 AM
  A friend of mine dads bought a 67 Brittany Blue 350 that was involved in a train incident involving several cars in Topeka Ks. His dad was an employee
of ATSF and bought the least damaged car of the bunch. Still has it to this very day.
Title: Re: THE RAILROAD CARS
Post by: greekz on July 08, 2023, 03:23:21 PM
  A friend of mine dads bought a 67 Brittany Blue 350 that was involved in a train incident involving several cars in Topeka Ks. His dad was an employee
of ATSF and bought the least damaged car of the bunch. Still has it to this very day.

Is it Z67200F8A02240?  If so, it is one of the 14 cars involved in the derailment.  I have been trying to figure out where the derailment took place.  Did your friends dad say the derailment was in or around Topeka, or that is just where he lives?  Any information would be helpful.

Thanks,

Greek