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Title: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 07, 2021, 07:05:39 PM
Attached is a list of all the known Shelby American cars spotted with the MFG plates.
It would be really neat if we could ID all of them too. 

Feel free to add some more, but please include the VINTAGE photo where you found the addition.

Shelby American MFG license plates
1A MFG 013    - csx2260 FIA Cobra; Targa Florio #148 64-4, Sierra Montana (La Montagne) #177 64-8
                     - csx2299 Daytona Coupe; Reims #15 64-7, Tourist Trophy Goodwood #21 64-8-29
                     - 65 GT350; 5S114 – Le Mans, Modena, RT 65-6
1D MFG 013   - 289 Cobra (B&W dark painted, silver painted spokes, white walls - Steve McQueen, Venice ’63-6 THF
1E MFG 013    - Econoline Van 1963 Venice, CA    
                     - 289 Cobra (white, chrome spoke wheels) Riverside Motor Trend 500 parade laps; ‘Ray Conniff Band Leader’[/color]
                     - csx2287 Daytona Coupe; SPA #1 64-5-17; Le Mans #6 64-6, Reims #14 64-7-5, Tour de France #186 64-9-11 (possibly)
                     - csx2299 Daytona Coupe; #5 Lemans 64-6 (no registration stick / front plate on the back of the Daytona)
                     - csx2601 Daytona Coupe; Reims #26 65-7-3 (possibly)
                     - csx2602 Daytona Coupe; SPA #21 65-5-16, Nurburgring #55 65-5-23
1F MFG 013    - 289 Cobra; (B&W red?, spoke wheels) Sports Car Graphic 1963, 1963 Cobra Ad
                     - csx2301 FIA Cobra; Targa Florio #150 64-4-26, Spa #4 64-5-17, Nurburgring #99 64-5-31, Freiburg Hill Climb #68 64-8-9
1G MFG 013   - csx2345 FIA Cobra; Targa Florio #142 64-4, Freiburg Hill Climb #66 64-8-9, Brighton speed Trial #110 64-9-12
1H MFG 013   - 289 Cobra (B&W medium color, silver spoke wheels, whitewalls) with Carroll Shelby and Peyton Cramer in Venice
                     - 289 Cobra (B&W silver), RT 64-6
1K MFG 013   - 289 Cobra (B&W maybe silver, silver spokes, white walls) back lot at Carter Street in Venice (maybe 1K)
1L MFG 013    - 2137 Cobra; Tour de Corse #85 63-11-9 (light metallic blue)
                     - csx2323 FIA Cobra; Targa Florio #146 64-4-26
                     - 65 GT350, CARS magazine 66-5
                     - 67 GT500 white, MagStars, large letter Goodyear tires, 67-5 Montauk, NY
1M MFG 013    - csx2300 Daytona Coupe; Nurburgring white #56 65-5; Reims #27 Guardsman Blue 65-7
1N MFG 013   - 289 Cobra [B&W] dark, chrome spoke wheels, white walls) also spotted at the Naval Air Station; August 3rd 1965 UPDATED 8/2/2022
                     - csx3000 [B&W] no hood scoop, no roll bar, no side pipes, bumpers, sunbursts, Point Mugu Rock; Malibu, CA
1R MFG 013    - GT/109 LAX TWA Terminal #9 65-6-10, Lemans #15 65-6-20
                     - 66 GT350 (white, no top stripes, YAMAHA ad) 66-6 CD, 67-5 Sports Illustrated
1S MFG 013   - 65 GT350 (white, stripes, Cragar wheels); Pete Brock at apartment , LAX American HR Foundation photo, LAX Brunette
1W MFG 013   -P/1005 LAX TWA Terminal #15 65-6-10, Le Mans #6 65-6-12
1X MFG 013   - csx2601 Daytona Coupe; Spa #20 65-5-16
                     - csx2299 Daytona Coupe; Lemans #11 65-6-19, Brussels Auto Show #1 66-1-12
1Z MFG 013   - 65 GT350 (white, stripes, Cragar wheels) LAX moving in; HR 65-8


2C MFG 013   - 65 Mustang Convertible parked on Princeton Ave with 5r002 in the foreground (updated 8/20/2022)
                     - csx2602 Daytona Coupe; Lemans #65 (red) 65-6-20
2F MFG 013   - 65 GT350; 5s012 (white, stripes, Cragar wheels) MT / HR
2G MFG 013   - 67 GT500 LR #0131; LAX – Riverside LLTC 67-7-7
2H MFG 013   - csx2286 Daytona Coupe; LAX #1 65-6; Le Mans #9 65-6-19
                     - csx3000 Cobra ([B&W] no side pipes hood scoop, roll bar); LAX Popular HR
                     - 5r209 Brussels Auto Show 66-1, Routes Du Nord 66-1-12, Rally Neige et Glace 66-2-19
2J MFG 013    - P/1004; LAX TWA Terminal #30 65-6-10, Lemans 65-6-20 #7
2M MFG 013   - csx3000 Cobra; Brussels Auto Show 66-1 hood scoop, side pipes, roll bar (possibly csx3013)
2N MFG 013   - csx2287 Daytona Coupe; LAX #2 65-6-8; Lemans #10 65-6-19
                     - csx3000 street Cobra (no hood scoop, no side pipes, no roll bar) ; CD, 65-11
2S MFG 013   - 66 GT350; 6s120 (q) (white, no stripes, Cragar wheels) Cobra Caravan NYC 65-12-15
2U MFG 013   - 66 GT350 (white, no stripes, Cragar wheels) Riverside
2X MFG 013   - 66 GT350; 6s392 (white, no stripes, 10-spokes) CL, MT
                     - csx3127 Cobra Caravan NYC 65-12-15
2Y MFG 013   - 66 GT350H (black) SCG
2Z MFG 013   - 66 GT350 ([B&W] red/blue, no stripes, 10-spokes) Bette Midler
                     - 67 GT500 Lime Gold #0173; MT 67-1-6 (Getty Images)


3C MFG 013   - 67 GT350 #0050 (white); Motor Trend 66-12-13, Sports Car Graphic 66-12-13
3E MFG 013   - 67 Ford GT / GT40 Sud Automobile; Montreal, Canada, 67 summertime
3F MFG 013   - csx3000 Cobra ([B&W] red, front bumper, no side pipes, no hood scoop, no roll bar)
                    - csx3178 Cobra, Charcoal Gray (sunbursts, no hood scoop, no side pipes) Carroll Shelby with Dan Gurney; 66-3
3H MFG 013   – 66 GT350 (white. stripes, 10-spokes) Dutch magazine, Italian magazine
3S MFG 013   – 67 GT500 #0100 (red) CD 66-12-9, Road & Track; LAX 66-12



Hi-Performance Motors dealer licence plates
1A DLR 4101   - Assigned to Carroll Shelby
                      - GT40 P/1058 red (shipped to Al Grillo Ford in Lynn, Massachusetts on Dec 12th, 1966), Ed Casey’s demonstrator
1B DLR 4101   - Assigned to Lew Spencer
1C DLR 4101   - csx289 Cobra; B&W dark paint, luggage rack, Motor Trend testing
1D DLR 4101   - 65 GT350 (white, stripes, Cragar wheels) Motor Trend 65-5
1E DLR 4101   - 65 GT350 5012 advanced prototype (white, stripes, Cragar wheels) Car & Driver 65-5
1F DLR 4101    - 66 GT350 (blue or red, no stripes, 10-spokes) Motor Trend 66-8
1G DLR 4101   - 65 GT350 5s003 LAX 65-4 (estimated date)
                      - 64 Cobra 289 csx2000 series, red with tan seats, silver spoke wheels; 66-8 Car life cover photo
1J DLR 4101    - csx2299 Daytona Coupe; no188 Tour De France 64-9
1L DLR 4101    - csx3015 or 3303 Cobra Super Snake; 68-3 Road & Track (plate number appear to be’1L’)
1T DLR 4101    - csx3101 ([B&W] no hood scoop, no side pipes, no roll bar) LAX unknown date 65-67,
                       - 65 GT350 Mustang street prototype; 65-8 (estimated date) / possibly 5s003



Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: 67_1183 on June 07, 2021, 09:15:37 PM

1L MFG 013 Vern Estes Photo

1R MFG 013 GT40P109?



Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on June 07, 2021, 09:22:15 PM
Anyone know if Hi Performance Motors had dealer plates - or did they use SA MFG plates?
Shelby's Ford dealership in Lake Tahoe would have had dealer plates for their demo cars.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: deathsled on June 07, 2021, 09:43:58 PM
Looks like they did.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/RM0520-428910/1965-carroll-shelby-hi-performance-motors-and-shelby-american-dealer-plate/
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 07, 2021, 10:25:03 PM

1L MFG 013 Vern Estes Photo

1R MFG 013 GT40P109?

Excellent find on the '1R' plate. GT109 is correct...Le Mans 65 was it's only race according to my notes.
(update list with blue italic text)

I'l have to keep looking for the car that goes with '1L'
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 07, 2021, 10:26:39 PM
Anyone know if Hi Performance Motors had dealer plates - or did they use SA MFG plates?
Shelby's Ford dealership in Lake Tahoe would have had dealer plates for their demo cars.

I have about 5 of these noted. I'll start another thread for them, after checking through my photos.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 07, 2021, 10:42:30 PM

1L MFG 013 Vern Estes Photo

1R MFG 013 GT40P109?

Excellent find on the '1R' plate. GT109 is correct...Le Mans 65 was it's only race according to my notes.
(update list with blue italic text)

I'l have to keep looking for the car that goes with '1L'

Looking through my Ford GT prototype photos...
GT109 getting tech'd at Le mans in 1965 with the '1R' MFG plate seems to be an error by SAI.
I don't believe that class was required to run a licence plate in Europe.

The Cobra Roadsters and Daytona Coupes appear to be required for their class to have the plates in Europe.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 08, 2021, 12:55:39 PM
I've updated the list in the first post…thanks to contributions from the forum and emails from friends.

Anyone have a clear photos of P/1004, race number'30', at the LAX TWA terminal or arriving at Le Mans?
It shows a SAI MFG license plate, but I can't clearly read it from the photos

It is more evidence that Shelby American expected the Ford GT's to be required to have license plates at Le Mans in 1965...
just like the Cobra's did.

Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Szabo on June 08, 2021, 03:27:39 PM
Hello Rich,

what for a cool and nerdy Thread --- you just can read my minds, i also collect a little sub-collection of License Plates,
mainly on 65/66 GT350 and hope to can serve with some more stuff

First the asked GT40 P/1004 Pics, No. 30 LeMans1965

License Plate is 2J MFG 013

(https://abload.de/img/1965gt409sjec.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1965gt409sjec.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/1004.lemans65qqku7.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1004.lemans65qqku7.jpg)

i will check with your list to not double post something known

Only some thougts, it would really nice to have for every known Plate and Timecode fit with a Pic, so you can create a perfect timeline
When you wish i will even post my pics even when they are double

For 1A MFG 013 a.k.a. 5S113 i would take the GT350 at last of the known dates and please ad "Germany" to the list of the tested Aeras : D





Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: honker on June 08, 2021, 03:55:22 PM
I think I've had these up her before, maybe forum 1 ?

I shot these photos of a  GT40 at Sud Automobile in Longueuil, south shore of Montreal, summer of '67. It looks like  manufacturer

 plate  is it 3E  or B 013 ? Sorry for the poor quality  ::) I was a 16 year old with what amounted to a Kodak Box Brownie camera

Mike

I don't think we have a positive chassis # on this car yet, Ronnie Spain was stumped as well, even though I have other photos of it.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Szabo on June 08, 2021, 04:27:23 PM
My Pics from my collections

1S MFG 013 --- see also on a Pic from LAX

(https://abload.de/img/1smfg013promopiccij99.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1smfg013promopiccij99.png)

1Z MFG 013 --- also see on the known Pics from Shooting on the Marina Bay

(https://abload.de/img/1zmfg013efjug.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1zmfg013efjug.jpg)

2F MFG 013 --- also on the Car Craft Magazin 1965-05 and Sales Brochure Reprint Version

(https://abload.de/img/2fmfg013carcrafttestajjsn.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=2fmfg013carcrafttestajjsn.jpg)

and on steel wheels for 1/2 Mile Drag Race

(https://abload.de/img/2fmfg013riversidehalfl7kyg.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=2fmfg013riversidehalfl7kyg.jpg)

2X MfG 013 was Supercharged shown in Car Life 7 / 1966 and testet Supercharged in Motor Trend 8 / 1966

(https://abload.de/img/unbenannt444xqjss.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=unbenannt444xqjss.jpg)


Thats all for the MFG 013 SAI Plate ... but of course i had some of the DLR 4101 Hi-Performance Plates

i will looking forward for this thread

i have also some Pics where i would really loved to be known the License Plates !!! Maybe somebody can help her

?? MFG 013 a.k.a 5S007 the 10.000 Mile Test Car Sports Car Graphic

(https://abload.de/img/65-7sportscargraphic6k6j8m.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=65-7sportscargraphic6k6j8m.jpg)

?? MFG 013 - Inside Carter Avenue

(https://abload.de/img/241egkji.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=241egkji.jpg)


not hard proved is this Pic from SFM 5010 on a Auction Sale, wear a 1C MFG 013 Plate, not to see on the LAX Open House Event

(https://abload.de/img/244173641m2jbd.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=244173641m2jbd.jpg)

and this one from SFM 5013 on a Auction Sale, wear 1A MFG 013 Plate, Car was shown in Rod & Custom Dec. 1969 which i dont have

(https://abload.de/img/sfm5013licenseplate1ak5jrz.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=sfm5013licenseplate1ak5jrz.jpg)

Thats all at the Moment ...
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: joephil on June 08, 2021, 04:38:42 PM
CSX2174 Licence plate 1D MFG 013
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: joephil on June 08, 2021, 04:41:08 PM
CSX2345 Licence plate 1E MFG 013
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: joephil on June 08, 2021, 04:51:02 PM
P/1042 licence plate 1W MFG 013
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Szabo on June 08, 2021, 05:40:13 PM
Two more from me

2H MFG 013 5R209 Autoshow Brüssel 01 1966

(https://abload.de/img/2hmfg0135r209autoshows6krc.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=2hmfg0135r209autoshows6krc.jpg)

2M MFG 013 Autoshow Brüssel 01 1966

(https://abload.de/img/2mmfg013autoshowbrssedtjx6.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=2mmfg013autoshowbrssedtjx6.jpg)

SFM66H (Kieth) postet this Test from a burning tire GT350 on LAX
which was in CARS May 1966
in the Test the GT350 wears MFG 013 Plates, i indicate it is 1L
maybe Kieth can help here with a view on the origin Test

(https://abload.de/img/carsmay1966chjwm.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=carsmay1966chjwm.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/52-121020141833nhjk5.jpeg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=52-121020141833nhjk5.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: joephil on June 08, 2021, 05:50:10 PM
CSX3178 427 Cobra CS licence plate 1A MFG 013 (LOT F145  KISSIMMEE 2021  JAN 7-16)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 08, 2021, 06:09:38 PM
Hello Rich,

First the asked GT40 P/1004 Pics, No. 30 LeMans1965        License Plate is 2J MFG 013

(https://abload.de/img/1004.lemans65qqku7.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1004.lemans65qqku7.jpg)


Hey Stephan,
That's a great photo find!! I didn't think there was any photo showing that plate. NICE!
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Szabo on June 08, 2021, 06:15:25 PM
2N MFG 013 - Car and Driver Test 11 1965 427 Cobra Street Test Drive

(https://abload.de/img/2nmfg013427cobrastreek2jtf.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=2nmfg013427cobrastreek2jtf.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 08, 2021, 06:15:34 PM
I shot these photos of a GT40 at Sud Automobile in Longueuil, south shore of Montreal, summer of '67.
It looks like a manufacturer plate 3E or B 013? Sorry for the poor quality ::)
I was a 16 year old with what amounted to a Kodak Box Brownie camera
Mike
I don't think we have a positive chassis # on this car yet, Ronnie Spain was stumped as well, even though I have other photos of it.

It's neat that you took those photos. We know we won't see them anywhere else.
It does look like a MFG 013 plate, but I just cant read those letters. I kind of see a '3' but it is blurry the second letter, well, not so much.
Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 08, 2021, 06:27:06 PM

i have also some Pics where i would really loved to be known the License Plates !!! Maybe somebody can help her

?? MFG 013 a.k.a 5S007 the 10.000 Mile Test Car Sports Car Graphic

(https://abload.de/img/65-7sportscargraphic6k6j8m.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=65-7sportscargraphic6k6j8m.jpg)

?? MFG 013 - Inside Carter Avenue

(https://abload.de/img/241egkji.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=241egkji.jpg)


not hard proved is this Pic from SFM 5010 on a Auction Sale, wear a 1C MFG 013 Plate, not to see on the LAX Open House Event

(https://abload.de/img/244173641m2jbd.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=244173641m2jbd.jpg)


Thanks again Stephan, Yes, some of these pictures were too far away, out of focus, or just too dark to get the plate numbers.

I don't think we should trust modern photos.
The owners may have added real or more likely reproduction plates onto to the cars, to 'enhance' the look.
It's best if we focus on vintage photos for proof of them being placed on the cars by Shelby American.

Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 08, 2021, 06:31:06 PM
CSX2174 Licence plate 1D MFG 013

Steve McQueen!
Excellent addition Joe!     (added to the first post list)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Szabo on June 08, 2021, 06:36:34 PM
CSX2174 Licence plate 1D MFG 013

Steve McQueen!
Excellent addition Joe!     (added the the first post list)

The Henry Ford Database say it was in 1963
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 08, 2021, 06:37:05 PM
CSX2345 Licence plate 1E MFG 013

Although you posted a later modern photo, I believe this Cobra did wear that '1E' '1G' plate.
My file photo from the August 1964 Freiburg Hill Climb appears to be a match
(the Plate in the photo is a bit fuzzy, but I can see the '1' and it does look very close to an an 'E'
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 08, 2021, 06:39:50 PM
P/1042 licence plate 1W MFG 013

Thanks again Joe.  I have this Ford GT noted as P/1005 from June 1965
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 08, 2021, 06:51:58 PM
(https://abload.de/img/2mmfg013autoshowbrssedtjx6.jpg)[/url]

SFM66H (Kieth) postet this Test from a burning tire GT350 on LAX
which was in CARS May 1966
in the Test the GT350 wears MFG 013 Plates, i indicate it is 1L
maybe Kieth can help here with a view on the origin Test

(https://abload.de/img/carsmay1966chjwm.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=carsmay1966chjwm.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/52-121020141833nhjk5.jpeg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=52-121020141833nhjk5.jpeg)

I will check with Kieth to see if he has a large scan to prove it is '1L'

Nice work finding the two Brussels show cars!  ;D
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: 69mach351w on June 08, 2021, 06:52:33 PM
Very Cool Thread.

I was thinking the same thing as Rich about modern photos possibly being repops.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 08, 2021, 06:56:06 PM
CSX3178 427 Cobra CS licence plate 1A MFG 013 (LOT F145  KISSIMMEE 2021  JAN 7-16)

Thanks again Joe,

This might have been an added plate to help sell the car. The '1A MFG 013' plate is the most common replicated plate out there.
For now I'll leave it off the list, unless we can prove it was originally on the car in a vintage photo.

Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 08, 2021, 07:03:04 PM
2N MFG 013 - Car and Driver Test 11 1965 427 Cobra Street Test Drive

(https://abload.de/img/2nmfg013427cobrastreek2jtf.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=2nmfg013427cobrastreek2jtf.jpg)
'

Another nice find!
I have the issue but couldn't read the plate. You photos show it clearly!
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Szabo on June 08, 2021, 07:04:06 PM
Last Post for today,
in Germany it is 1 a.m. , time to sleep : )

i totally agree, best at the moment would be time correct Pics from 1962 - 1967 SAI

1K MFG 013 1962-63 Henry Ford Database

(https://abload.de/img/1kmfg0131962-63henryfvpkv9.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1kmfg0131962-63henryfvpkv9.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/1kmfg0131962-63henryf6rjwq.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1kmfg0131962-63henryf6rjwq.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: honker on June 08, 2021, 08:51:46 PM
I think that this image, and some of the others from that sequence are well known here ? but what is the plate ? is it MFG ? It's

really tough to get a good scan, my machine is pretty old  ::) This is from Car and Driver, May 1965, with magazine lead times

 these could have been shot around February 1965.

Mike

edit: Google search is your friend found a clearer image on the Car & Driver website it is a dealer tag  ::) I'll get my coat   :P

Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Vernon Estes on June 08, 2021, 09:02:06 PM
Hey Guys,

I am sorry that I had not seen this conversation in the last few days but very neat thread here.

FWIW, the '1L 013' plates shown earlier in the thread were originally ran in the Targa Florio on the back of CSX2323...they now ride along on that car while the car's owner rips around the track as god intended...

The 1A number for the 4101 plates (hi performance motors dealer plate) was originally Carroll Shelby's number while 1B was Lew Spencer. You will notice the small "D" on the right of that set of plates...that means "duplicate". Mark Hovander has the original issue 1A plate (CS's) while the pair I had was the duplicate set issued when the twin to Mark's was apparently lost. As a result, there are three 1A plates in existence. These plates were sent to Ed Casey on the East Coast..he was the East Coast Shelby American rep. the 1L 013s were also sent to Casey after their time ripping around Europe was over.

To my knowledge, there are only 2 matched pairs of 013 plates in existence and only 1 matched pair of 4101 plates.

Kind regards,
Vern
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: honker on June 08, 2021, 09:32:35 PM
Vern, thanks for that info on the 4101 plates ! Are the  plates on the car in my post #29 from Hi Performance ?

Mike
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Vernon Estes on June 08, 2021, 11:05:27 PM
Vern, thanks for that info on the 4101 plates ! Are the  plates on the car in my post #29 from Hi Performance ?

Mike

Yes sir, those DLR 4101 plates are all the dealer plates of HPM...keep in mind, though, there seem to be many occurrences where SAI comp cars ran in Europe also with 4101 plates affixed. If I am not mistaken, the reason for running the CA MFG and DLR plates while racing in Europe was to avoid the import duties while the cars were overseas? The running of a dealer plate on a car owned and run by the factory seems odd but it did happen. Maybe the cars were officially entered in the events under HPM sponsorship/ownership or maybe it is as simply as keeping the plates on the cars to avoid duties? I am not sure which..just an observation.

Kind regards,
Vern
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 08, 2021, 11:22:56 PM
Hey Guys,

FWIW, the '1L 013' plates shown earlier in the thread were originally ran in the Targa Florio on the back of CSX2323...they now ride along on that car while the car's owner rips around the track as god intended...

The 1A number for the 4101 plates (hi performance motors dealer plate) was originally Carroll Shelby's number while 1B was Lew Spencer. You will notice the small "D" on the right of that set of plates...that means "duplicate". Mark Hovander has the original issue 1A plate (CS's) while the pair I had was the duplicate set issued when the twin to Mark's was apparently lost. As a result, there are three 1A plates in existence. These plates were sent to Ed Casey on the East Coast..he was the East Coast Shelby American rep. the 1L 013s were also sent to Casey after their time ripping around Europe was over.

To my knowledge, there are only 2 matched pairs of 013 plates in existence and only 1 matched pair of 4101 plates.

Kind regards,
Vern

Vern,
Thank you for chiming in with '1L MFG' and with the '4101 DLR' dealer plate information.
That's very helpful.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: CharlesTurner on June 08, 2021, 11:34:37 PM
I think that this image, and some of the others from that sequence are well known here ? but what is the plate ? is it MFG ? It's

really tough to get a good scan, my machine is pretty old  ::) This is from Car and Driver, May 1965, with magazine lead times

 these could have been shot around February 1965.

Mike

edit: Google search is your friend found a clearer image on the Car & Driver website it is a dealer tag  ::) I'll get my coat   :P

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that is a Hi-Performance Motors dealer plate.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 08, 2021, 11:37:55 PM
The list in the first post has been updated on the Shelby American 'MFG 013' license plates

The Hi-Performance Motors dealer license plate list, 'DLR 4101' has been added here as as well.
I've decided to keep these lists together in this same thread.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: s2ms on June 09, 2021, 11:59:33 AM
Probably old news but there is a place selling repops of the 1E MFG 013 plate. They also sell on ebay.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/270159764/ford-gt-350-shelby-cobra-mustang-1e-mfg?ref=hp_rv-1&frs=1 (https://www.etsy.com/listing/270159764/ford-gt-350-shelby-cobra-mustang-1e-mfg?ref=hp_rv-1&frs=1)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Szabo on June 09, 2021, 03:31:52 PM
Hello,

i am so interested that i looked also on new Pics to collect and the Backroundinformation also...

for the MFG 013 Plates i woul like to bring this one ...

3F MFG 013 CSX3178 Shelby personal 427 Cobra Charcoal Gray 1of5 color March 1966

(https://abload.de/img/3fmfg013csx3178shelby2yj3u.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=3fmfg013csx3178shelby2yj3u.jpg)

My Plate Collection for DLR 4101 / Hi-Performance Motors are included this ones

1D DLR 4101 Motor Trend 05 / 65 and 6 Page Reprint Brochure

(https://abload.de/img/991ddlr4101motortrendf5jk1.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=991ddlr4101motortrendf5jk1.jpg)

1E DLR 4101 Car Driver 05 1965 Repost from Honker

(https://abload.de/img/991edlr4101cardriver0qkjb1.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=991edlr4101cardriver0qkjb1.jpg)

1F DLR 4101 Motor Trend 8 1966, tested together with the GT350 Supercharged 2X MFG 013

(https://abload.de/img/991fdlr4101motortrenda6kfr.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=991fdlr4101motortrenda6kfr.jpg)

1L DRL 4101 Cobra 427 SuperSnake Twin Supercharger 1968 Road and Track
(hard to read, but when enlarged i truly think this should be right)
(https://abload.de/img/991ldrl4101cobra427suegkbk.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=991ldrl4101cobra427suegkbk.jpg)

one of the interesting Pics / Plate / Car Combination is this one
1T DLR 4101 Prototyp GT350

(https://abload.de/img/991tdlr4101prototypgtsxkl7.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=991tdlr4101prototypgtsxkl7.jpg)

later on the Cobra on LAX, this Pic was on 65 Press Pack, so i would say it is make very early on 1965

(https://abload.de/img/658edjwe.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=658edjwe.jpg)


one of the Pics where i cant read the Plate, but surley was a DLR 4101 Plate is shown on the
65 GT350 on the LAX Open House Event 1965, between the R and 66 Prototyp

(https://abload.de/img/99xxdlr4101openhousee4ck1d.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=99xxdlr4101openhousee4ck1d.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: CharlesTurner on June 09, 2021, 05:21:52 PM
1G 4101 was on 5S003 at LAX

1T 4101 was on a GT350 at Venice, possibly 003, but cannot be sure.  It was a very early car, possibly one of the prototypes before the first 3 arrived
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Szabo on June 09, 2021, 05:37:04 PM
Thanks very much for the better Pic with 1T DLR 4101
the Pic was made inside of the Carter Building ...

so i would hardly suggest that the Pic i post from a Prototyp with the foil emblem on the Fender
is the same car that is inside Carter Ave ...
and also was converted into a pre-production status, this is a thougt i am really want to clear
or proof in my mind

on the other Pics from the same photo shooting it stands between the first 14 Advanced Prototypes
befor finished for Introduction Day on Riverside 27 1 1965



i have also found a pic for 1G MFG 013

(https://abload.de/img/1gmfg013uqkb6.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1gmfg013uqkb6.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 09, 2021, 06:46:15 PM

one of the Pics where i cant read the Plate, but surley was a DLR 4101 Plate is shown on the
65 GT350 on the LAX Open House Event 1965, between the R and 66 Prototyp

(https://abload.de/img/99xxdlr4101openhousee4ck1d.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=99xxdlr4101openhousee4ck1d.jpg)

Stephan,
You're a madman! Your killing it with all these great photos / matching up with MFG and DLR plates.
If only we could get closer to the '66 GT350 inside the hanger at the SAI open house, maybe we could read that DLR plate.

I'll get these added to the list shortly!

Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 09, 2021, 07:07:11 PM
1G 4101 was on 5S003 at LAX

1T 4101 was on a GT350 at Venice, possibly 003, but cannot be sure.  It was a very early car, possibly one of the prototypes before the first 3 arrived

Charles, thank you for posting these pictures!
The '1T DLR 4101' plate inside Carter street, Venice, appears to be the Prototype that Stephan posted the front 3/4 view of earlier.
I've never seen (or read) anything of that 'MUSTANG GT' fender lettering on any other car.

The LAX photo is very interesting with that square panel taped over the right side next to the taillight.
You suggesting that is a photo of 5s003 has me extra curious. I've got to look into that.
I'm looking forward to adding it to the list.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 09, 2021, 07:13:48 PM

i have also found a pic for 1G MFG 013

(https://abload.de/img/1gmfg013uqkb6.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1gmfg013uqkb6.jpg)


That's a great photo, and 'new to me'! NICE!

This '1G' plated car might be either csx2301 or csx2345.
We have the other two FIA Cobra's identified for Targa Florio (the first race in Europe after Sebring)!
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: honker on June 09, 2021, 08:33:54 PM
Rich, in post #38 I wonder if that is 5S003 with the tape by the right tail light, is it possible there could have been a prototypical

 GT350 emblem there ? In the 2019 '65 registry in the write up for 5S003 it says "filling of minor holes in body", also on page 11,

 there is a pic of 5S003 with the GT350 emblem on the rear. I'm not sure about the time frames around all this.

Question ? were rear panel GT350 emblems in place on later cars in production and not early cars ? I seem to remember some

 information about non striped cars being able to be identified as a Shelby from the rear ?

This is all speculation on my part.

Mike
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 09, 2021, 08:54:02 PM

Rich, in post #38 I wonder if that is 5S003 with the tape by the right tail light, is it possible there could have been a prototypical

 GT350 emblem there ? In the 2019 '65 registry in the write up for 5S003 it says "filling of minor holes in body", also on page 11,

 there is a pic of 5S003 with the GT350 emblem on the rear. I'm not sure about the time frames around all this.

Question ? were rear panel GT350 emblems in place on later cars in production and not early cars ? I seem to remember some

 information about non striped cars being able to be identified as a Shelby from the rear ?

This is all speculation on my part.

Mike

Charles was correct! That is 5s003.
That is a close up of the famous interior photo of the race hanger. The second photo was taken at 90 degrees to it, from the front.

Regarding the emblem, I recall the past conversations, but don't recall the exact details.
-One of the R models noted to be in the same photo (5r100) did not show a rear tail panel emblem on it when racing at Bridgehampton September 19, 1965.
-5s003 did show a taillight panel emblem, in the PR photos taken on Benedict Canyon Drive, noted as February 1965.


Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Cobra Ned on June 09, 2021, 10:00:34 PM
I believe it was Fran Kress that reproduced a series of the 1C-013 MFR plates. I have seen a number of them on different cars at shows, etc. I am aware of the existence of a 1N-013 original plate with '65 and '66 CA date stickers still on it.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: CharlesTurner on June 09, 2021, 11:17:39 PM
Charles was correct! That is 5s003.
That is a close up of the famous interior photo of the race hanger. The second photo was taken at 90 degrees to it, from the front.

Regarding the emblem, I recall the past conversations, but don't recall the exact details.
-One of the R models noted to be in the same photo (5r100) did not show a rear tail panel emblem on it when racing at Bridgehampton September 19, 1965.
-5s003 did show a taillight panel emblem, in the PR photos taken on Benedict Canyon Drive, noted as February 1965.

There was some kind of emblem on 003 at the benedict canyon photo shoot, but we couldn't figure out what it was, so it was left off during the 1st and most recent re-restoration of the car.  There are filled holes in the panel.  003 was prepared as a 'production' GT350 to sell after it's usefulness as a prototype had expired, that was about the time the LAX photo was taken in the race shop hangar. 

I suggested that maybe the car at Venice with the Mustang GT fender decal could be 003.  Zooming into the trunk on both pics, the stripe and overspray patterns appear to be very similar.  Seeing as the DLR plates were interchanged with cars, it's possible that maybe 003 had several plates on it during it's time at SA.  Unfortunately, there is no way to know for sure if that was 003 in that Venice photo or even the other photos of the same car with the decal.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 10, 2021, 10:22:58 AM
Charles was correct! That is 5s003.
That is a close up of the famous interior photo of the race hanger. The second photo was taken at 90 degrees to it, from the front.

Regarding the emblem, I recall the past conversations, but don't recall the exact details.
-One of the R models noted to be in the same photo (5r100) did not show a rear tail panel emblem on it when racing at Bridgehampton September 19, 1965.
-5s003 did show a taillight panel emblem, in the PR photos taken on Benedict Canyon Drive, noted as February 1965.

There was some kind of emblem on 003 at the benedict canyon photo shoot, but we couldn't figure out what it was, so it was left off during the 1st and most recent re-restoration of the car.  There are filled holes in the panel.  003 was prepared as a 'production' GT350 to sell after it's usefulness as a prototype had expired, that was about the time the LAX photo was taken in the race shop hangar. 

I suggested that maybe the car at Venice with the Mustang GT fender decal could be 003.  Zooming into the trunk on both pics, the stripe and overspray patterns appear to be very similar.  Seeing as the DLR plates were interchanged with cars, it's possible that maybe 003 had several plates on it during it's time at SA.  Unfortunately, there is no way to know for sure if that was 003 in that Venice photo or even the other photos of the same car with the decal.


Excellent detailed reply! Thanks Charles.
I'll add 5s003 to the list, noted as a possibility.

Your point about dealer plates being interchanged is one everyone should take note of.
We see it happened on the MFG plates as well. I did revise the list to show different cars with the same plate, line by line.
My ultimate goal here is to track each car by plate number and to ID them if possible.

Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Szabo on June 10, 2021, 03:09:44 PM
Very cool to read all the 5s003 stuff ...

for me personal i really think that the Prototyp GT350 and the GT350 in the Garage are the same car
this would be logical at the way to dont waste possible money

I would really love to discuss this point and clear it or find any breadcumb, but that would be
off topic in this thread.

But i understand that it is not 100% proofed, there seem to be a missing link,
maybe SAI paperwork could help but it seems there is no possiblity to check this.

i want to add the best HQ Pic from the "Garage Car" in the back between the other First 14 Advanced Prototyps

(https://abload.de/img/c0676687b57e913170ac57okax.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=c0676687b57e913170ac57okax.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: CharlesTurner on June 10, 2021, 03:13:00 PM
Best to break off into another topic to discuss 003 stuff...
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Szabo on June 10, 2021, 03:45:28 PM
Best to break off into another topic to discuss 003 stuff...

Yeah, the car and the hole 5s003 would be worth to discuss that from the ground off...


For the Thread here i want to add some more...


I got a Email from George Watters who inform me that he has two of the origin Plates,
Kieth (SFM66H) put them in the origin Pics and this is so cool that i would like to post it here...

Thanks to George wo is still in the backround and thinking about us.

(https://abload.de/img/georgewatterscollecti4wja1.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=georgewatterscollecti4wja1.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/georgewatterscollectid0kx3.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=georgewatterscollectid0kx3.jpg)

Also i found this Pic with a red Cobra and GT500 on LAX, Plate says 3F MFG 013
(https://abload.de/img/18ae0978e48b17b3b3a28z0kmw.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=18ae0978e48b17b3b3a28z0kmw.jpg)

and i can identify the Car with 1E DLR 4101 as SFM 5012
(https://abload.de/img/253wjqs.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=253wjqs.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/sfm50121yokr4.png) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=sfm50121yokr4.png)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: joephil on June 10, 2021, 04:50:34 PM
2H MFG 013   5R209
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Side-Oilers on June 10, 2021, 08:42:20 PM
Interesting that several cars have the MFG or Dealer plate mounted to the front of the car.   

In CA, AFAIK back then, only a rear plate was required for Dealer and Manufacturers.  That's the way it has been in CA for as long as I can remember. 

Thoughts?

Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: 6R07mi on June 11, 2021, 01:48:51 PM
Rich, in post #38 I wonder if that is 5S003 with the tape by the right tail light, is it possible there could have been a prototypical
 GT350 emblem there ? In the 2019 '65 registry in the write up for 5S003 it says "filling of minor holes in body", also on page 11,

 there is a pic of 5S003 with the GT350 emblem on the rear. I'm not sure about the time frames around all this.

Question ? were rear panel GT350 emblems in place on later cars in production and not early cars ? I seem to remember some

 information about non striped cars being able to be identified as a Shelby from the rear ?

This is all speculation on my part.

Mike

Remember 5S003, 5R001 & 5R002 were built separate from the DSO spec cars, so they didn't have the ornament / mounting holes delete fenders (6 cyl) and I wonder if they had the quarter panel scallop holes also?

jim p
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Szabo on June 11, 2021, 03:19:44 PM
Hey,

i would like to share this hole 5S003 thing out of that thread and will form a new one in the 1965 section...

That is just to interesting to fill it here and i hardly think we bring it all together and maybe find some
missing links together ...

For that Thread i came of with a Pic from "Little Red" on the Riverside Test wearing 2G MFG 013 Plates

(https://abload.de/img/1967_littlered39sk56.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1967_littlered39sk56.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: 67411F--0100-ENG. on June 11, 2021, 03:36:29 PM
Hello Everyone,

Here is the first of what I think are the two neatest photos of 0100 that show the "3S" license plate.  This black and white photo was taken by Car and Driver in late November of '66.

Eric
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: 67411F--0100-ENG. on June 11, 2021, 03:48:46 PM
Hello Everyone,

Here is the second of what I think are the two neatest photos of 0100 that show the "3S" license plate.  This color photo was taken on 12/9/66 for Sports Car Graphic.

Eric
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 11, 2021, 06:32:33 PM
Thanks to everyone, we have gathered a long list of the Shelby American MFG plates. It appears that once the 1A–Z plates were taken up, SAI started the 2A-Z plates, and continued with 3A up until around 3S plates. We haven’t seen any 4A-Z plates. That indicates there were approximately 70 plates issued to SAI over about four years in CA.


Joephil,
Nice photo taken at the Routes Du Nord (Hillclimb?)
I’m not sure why the ‘2H’ plate was used on 5r209. I assume it was still an SAI owned car at the time of that February ‘66 event (France?).
Anyone ever hear of SAI running any R models in Europe?
I assume a license plate was required on any public roads.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: J_Speegle on June 11, 2021, 09:24:07 PM
Remember 5S003, 5R001 & 5R002 were built separate from the DSO spec cars, so they didn't have the ornament / mounting holes delete fenders (6 cyl) and I wonder if they had the quarter panel scallop holes also?

There was not package, option nor standard installation on 65 or 66 fastbacks that included the quarter panel ornamentation like coupes and convertibles had

A few unrestored 65 fastbacks of various option and drivetrain options

(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/15/6-110621213043-156041396.jpeg)

(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/15/6-110621213043-15602580.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: joephil on June 12, 2021, 07:32:29 AM
[...]Anyone ever hear of SAI running any R models in Europe?
[...]

5R539 (Raced by Claude Dubois) ...
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: TransamEd on June 12, 2021, 09:02:23 AM
R-Shelbys in Europe:
5R539 was sent directly to Claude, not via FAV, it was owned by Ford Belgium, Antwerp and just driven by Claude (as he confirmed himself), it had a red on white 43.S.10 licence plate with several holes, the number/letter combination indicates that it was a plate used until 1962.
5R209 was obviously sent to Bruxelles autoshow from FAV (the picture was taken at the show by Emil Sterckx, a former and current dutch Mustang racer), the contract orgainzed between Ford France and Martial Delalande/J.P. Hanrioud (with swiss geneve licence plates), before being used by the Ecurie Filipinetti/Peter Schetty. Acc. to some earlier report Ford France had a problem to licence these racing cars and used sometimes belgium or other countries licence plates, if possible.
5R107 was given to Ford Germany/Jochen Neerpasch, later appeared with the PKX207D (1966 plates) english licence plates for a period, so most probably still in ownership of FAV.
5R097 - very few early pics around, sold from FAV to Ecurie Filipinetti appeared only with swiss Geneve licence plates.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: honker on June 12, 2021, 10:40:16 AM
Great thread ! thanks Rich for starting it !

Here's a scan of the contract (entry) for 5R209 for the Rally Neige et Glace, on Feb. 19-20th 1966 that shows the license plate

 registered for the car, I can't quite make it out ?

Sorry for diverting the thread concerning 003   ::)

Mike
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 12, 2021, 11:34:07 AM
5r209 appears to be the only R model in Europe to ever wear a SAI MFG tag. (per many photos of all the exported 'R' models)
The 2011 registry does not mention any Shelby American sponsored competition 'R' models running overseas.

It doesn't make sense that SAI would send a license plate over for an auto show unless planned for other purposes.
With TransAmEd mentioning registration difficulties in France, the '2H' MFG license plate must have been on loan to Ford of France.
We can see the MFG plate was used for at least 2 events in February 1966, possibly others after that.
(I'll update the list)

Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: TransamEd on June 12, 2021, 01:58:12 PM
At the same Bruxelles Autoshow as 5R209 - CSX2299 with 1X  MFG 013, January 1966.
By best knowledge CSX2601 and CSX2299 differ with their rear lights arrangement, so this should be CSX2299.
(http://www.ponysite.de/EMILDMFF_1966Bruxelles.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: honker on June 12, 2021, 02:02:17 PM
Dante Duce, Cobra CSX ? 1964 Brighton Speed Trials, is that one of the ex Targa cars ?

(photo: Autocar)  from Profile Publications #60 The A.C. Cobra booklet

Mike
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Cobra Ned on June 13, 2021, 09:59:37 AM
That's CSX 2345 that Duce was driving.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 13, 2021, 12:33:15 PM
At the same Bruxelles Autoshow as 5R209 - CSX2299 with 1X  MFG 013, January 1966.
By best knowledge CSX2601 and CSX2299 differ with their rear lights arrangement, so this should be CSX2299.
(http://www.ponysite.de/EMILDMFF_1966Bruxelles.jpg)

Very nice COLOR photo TAEd!!
I agree that is the Daytona csx2299. It is slightly different in the back end details.!
Thanks for posting
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 13, 2021, 12:37:59 PM
Dante Duce, Cobra CSX ? 1964 Brighton Speed Trials, is that one of the ex Targa cars ?

(photo: Autocar)  from Profile Publications #60 The A.C. Cobra booklet

Mike

Nice find Mike!
With Cobra Ned suggesting that is csx2345...
then the odds are that other photo of it getting loaded on the TWA cargo plane is the same Cobra.
Cool!
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Szabo on June 13, 2021, 04:30:42 PM
Hello all,

do you remember that i write that from some Pics i would really love to know the
License Plate Numbers ???

i decided to do complete research on all my databases and find new material that
helps us here ...

Please share your thoughts, do you think we have some match here ???

First there is this famous known Pic from the Lady on LAX in a GT350

i found a very high resolution PDF from that Pic and when i sized it to 600%  ;D
and looked an hour or so on it, i think this is 1S MFG 013
to proofed that a little bit more i do also compared it with the known "Pete Brock Appartment
Pic from 1S MFG 013"
(the upper pic on the right sight)

(https://abload.de/img/1smfg013laxnejjr.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=1smfg013laxnejjr.jpg)

the other Pic is from 5007 at the 10.000 Mile Test, i found a colored Pic in a Book in
good resolution and size, when i looked long enough with a magnifying glass i read
2L MFG 013 (which would also be a knew Plate Number)

(https://abload.de/img/2lmfg01310.000meilentxcj0x.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=2lmfg01310.000meilentxcj0x.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/2lmfg01310.000meilenttskmu.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=2lmfg01310.000meilenttskmu.jpg)

Greets from Germany

Stephan
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 14, 2021, 08:21:59 PM
Stephan,
Looking at the first photo of the '65 GT350 at LAX in front of the blast wall (with the brunette sitting in it)...
I was not certain it was '1S', the same car as the other photo in front of the apartment building with Pete Brock on the 2nd floor balcony.
However, after looking at the front fender painted on stripes and the position of the 'G.T. 350' letters compared to the stripes location,
I think you are correct, and it is the same car.

I'm still on the fence on the lower photo / '65 GT350 with a '2L' on that license plate.
I can see a few specs of yellow paint that suggest it could be '2L', but it is so poorly lit and out of focus, I just don't know.
 
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: 6R07mi on June 15, 2021, 09:35:11 PM
 I didn't see this listed, sorry if it's been caught !

65 Reims door #14, CSX2287, 1E MFG 013

jim p
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: 6R07mi on June 15, 2021, 09:54:07 PM
These are listed, but catching 2 in the same photo, had to post

jim p
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 15, 2021, 10:21:17 PM
I didn't see this listed, sorry if it's been caught !

65 Reims door #14, CSX2287, 1E MFG 013

jim p

Thanks Jim,
I will be sure to add this Daytona /event to the list
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 16, 2021, 06:58:59 PM
A 1964 Le Mans puzzle.

Two cars with the same '1E MFG 013' license plate!
My first thought was one photo was taken prior to race day (#5) and the other was on race day (#6)

BUT...

One photo (#6) shows the 1964 California registration sticker and the other photo (#5) has no registration sticker.

?


Edit; Updated list in first post with new information and more cars added
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: joephil on June 17, 2021, 11:40:34 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: joephil on June 17, 2021, 11:50:19 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: 6R07mi on June 17, 2021, 01:03:24 PM
A 1964 Le Mans puzzle.
Two cars with the same '1E MFG 013' license plate!
My first thought was one photo was taken prior to race day (#5) and the other was on race day (#6)

BUT...

One photo (#6) shows the 1964 California registration sticker and the other photo (#5) has no registration sticker.
?

Edit; Updated list in first post with new information and more cars added

is the registration sticker only on the rear plate? perhaps they used the front plate on #5 ??

jim p
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: honker on June 17, 2021, 01:36:28 PM
The only Daytona coupe I've seen with a front plate (off set to the right  side) was for sale in Road & Track by Russkit, the slot car

 people back in '66. yours for $12,500 !

Mike
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: joephil on June 17, 2021, 03:14:15 PM
#5 #6 no front plates
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: sd427 on June 17, 2021, 07:05:55 PM
Correct, in California, reg stickers are only applied on the rear plate.  Since plates are issued in pairs, even MFG plates, easy enough for one pair to be split across two vehicles.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 17, 2021, 08:26:40 PM
You gentlemen figured it out!!! Thanks to all of you!

Here's a color photo of both cars next to the pits, which might be on race day.
It first appeared that csx2299 had '1C MFG 013', but now we know it was the front plate and actually '1E MFG 013'

Nice effort from everyone!

Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: honker on June 17, 2021, 09:55:18 PM
Four coupes, I believe this is Le mans ? 1X on the left, 1E in the middle, far right ?

Mike
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: honker on June 17, 2021, 10:06:20 PM
tighter images, hope you can read the plates ?

Mike
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: honker on June 18, 2021, 09:14:16 PM
The only Daytona coupe I've seen with a front plate (off set to the right  side) was for sale in Road & Track by Russkit, the slot car

 people back in '66. yours for $12,500 !

Mike
So are you saying the Russkit slot car people sold the slot car for $12,500?
That's how I'm reading it ???

The Road & track ad  ;)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 18, 2021, 10:55:38 PM
tighter images, hope you can read the plates ?

Mike

Thanks Mike

There were 5 Daytona at LM in '65. I believe the plates were as follows;
1E - LM csx2601
1X - LM csx2299
2C - LM csx2602 (red)
2H - LM csx2286
2N - LM csx2287


Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: 69mach351w on June 20, 2021, 03:02:08 PM
The only Daytona coupe I've seen with a front plate (off set to the right  side) was for sale in Road & Track by Russkit, the slot car

 people back in '66. yours for $12,500 !

Mike
So are you saying the Russkit slot car people sold the slot car for $12,500?
That's how I'm reading it ???

The Road & track ad  ;)
;)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 21, 2021, 12:33:39 PM
Hey Guys,

I am sorry that I had not seen this conversation in the last few days but very neat thread here.

FWIW, the '1L 013' plates shown earlier in the thread were originally ran in the Targa Florio on the back of CSX2323...they now ride along on that car while the car's owner rips around the track as god intended...

The 1A number for the 4101 plates (hi performance motors dealer plate) was originally Carroll Shelby's number while 1B was Lew Spencer. You will notice the small "D" on the right of that set of plates...that means "duplicate". Mark Hovander has the original issue 1A plate (CS's) while the pair I had was the duplicate set issued when the twin to Mark's was apparently lost. As a result, there are three 1A plates in existence. These plates were sent to Ed Casey on the East Coast..he was the East Coast Shelby American rep. the 1L 013s were also sent to Casey after their time ripping around Europe was over.

To my knowledge, there are only 2 matched pairs of 013 plates in existence and only 1 matched pair of 4101 plates.

Kind regards,
Vern

Hi Vern,

Here's a photo (with a close up) showing the '1L MFG 013' plate believed to be earlier than the Targa Florio in April 1964
It should be csx2137 at the Tour de Course November 9, 1963.

This is the earliest known photo of a MFG 013 plate I have seen.

Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 21, 2021, 12:38:55 PM
The only time a DLR 4101 plate (1J) has been spotted on a Shelby American race car, is in Europe, on csx2299.
This was taken at the Tour de France September 9, 1964.

Vern mentioned other instances where Hi-Performance DLR plates were used, so the search for photos of them continues on...
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: honker on June 21, 2021, 03:11:33 PM
Daytonas at the 1964 T.D.F, sorry for the poor quality of the one shot, the # 188 car already shown by Richstang

Mike
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 21, 2021, 06:09:14 PM
Daytonas at the 1964 T.D.F, sorry for the poor quality of the one shot, the # 188 car already shown by Richstang

Mike

Too bad we can't read the plate on #186.
That rear view photo of the cars racing racing shows up on a few sites, but all of them are just to far away (and too dark) to read.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 21, 2021, 10:48:50 PM
1964-4-26 Targa Florio FIA Cobra's
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: joephil on June 22, 2021, 09:58:06 AM
...

Too bad we can't read the plate on #186.
...

Not sure..., but on a reduced model 1:18 the Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe #186 (André Simon - Maurice Dupeyron 24 sept 1964 Reims Gueux with licence plate  1E MFG 013  ::)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 22, 2021, 12:41:07 PM
...

Too bad we can't read the plate on #186.
...

Not sure..., but on a reduced model 1:18 the Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe #186 (André Simon - Maurice Dupeyron 24 sept 1964 Reims Gueux with licence plate  1E MFG 013  ::)


It looks like that #186 Exoto die-cast is a likely match. I found this slightly blurry photo of #186 that appears to have the '1E' plate.
But, they can't be entirely trusted. At the August 1964 Goodwood event, csx2299 had a '1A' plate, but the diecast shows '1E'

Maybe Mike (honker) can ask for any September 1964 Tour De France photos on the French websites he visits?
I hoping Stephan (Szabo) can do the same on any German websites for the 1964 SPA and Nurburgring events (FIA Cobra's)?

Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 23, 2021, 06:05:18 PM
Now this is really a cool unexpected find on one of the SAI support vehicles. This photo appears to be taken in the Venice shop on Princeton Drive!
The '1E MFG 013' plate was certainly being used on a lot of different vehicles.

This is a cropped photo of the earliest time we see '1E'....1963. (full size photo in link)
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-300621232435.jpeg)

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/search.php?search=cobra&k=&modal=&display=xlthumbs&order_by=relevance&offset=48&per_page=48&archive=0&sort=DESC&restypes=&recentdaylimit=&foredit=&go=prev&offset=0
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Side-Oilers on June 23, 2021, 06:41:42 PM
Rich,

Good eye.  I'd guess that they just used whatever plate was handy anytime they needed to drive a SAI vehicle somewhere. 

That's how it has worked on press cars for the 40 years that I can remember. 
Van
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 23, 2021, 07:12:11 PM
Rich,

Good eye.  I'd guess that they just used whatever plate was handy anytime they needed to drive a SAI vehicle somewhere. 

That's how it has worked on press cars for the 40 years that I can remember. 
Van

PR cars yes, definitely, but most of the SAI support vehicles had a standard issued plate.
All I can think of is this might have been a new acquired vehicle and the plates had not yet arrived.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 25, 2021, 06:25:49 PM
‘1C DLR 4101’ Cobra 1963 Motor Trend road test

Full size pics in links ('Uploader Full' can't post pictures...EDIT 6/30/2021 except from gallery)

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/view.php?search=cobra&k=&modal=&display=xlthumbs&order_by=relevance&offset=48&per_page=48&archive=0&sort=DESC&restypes=&recentdaylimit=&foredit=&ref=1047818

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/view.php?search=cobra&k=&modal=&display=xlthumbs&order_by=relevance&offset=96&per_page=48&archive=0&sort=DESC&restypes=&recentdaylimit=&foredit=&ref=1047741

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-300621144408.jpeg)



Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: honker on June 25, 2021, 09:45:27 PM
Great stuff Rich ! In the first link is he thinking I won't need this hammer to modify the trunk for the regulation suitcase since there

 are two there already  ;D

Mike


Hope we get this uploader problem fixed soon !
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ / Hi-Performance Motors license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 27, 2021, 02:20:39 PM
Great stuff Rich ! In the first link is he thinking I won't need this hammer to modify the trunk for the regulation suitcase since there

 are two there already  ;D

Mike


Hope we get this uploader problem fixed soon !

yea maybe, but we know it's not a FIA Cobra

So maybe he just thinking
"It's a great car for a weekend getaway...look 2 suitcases fit in the trunk, and it even has a tool kit!'

I'm looking forward to the 'UPLOADER' getting some added strorage space!
I've got a few more photos to add for the MFG plates
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 30, 2021, 02:51:28 PM
Here's another link to Petersen photos of a Cobra with a MFG 013 plate. This one shows ‘1F MFG 013'.
 ‘1F’ Cobra 1963 ‘Maserati 3500 GT vs Shelby Cobra’ 1963 Sports Car Graphic

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/view.php?search=cobra&k=&modal=&display=xlthumbs&order_by=relevance&offset=192&per_page=48&archive=0&sort=DESC&restypes=&recentdaylimit=&foredit=&ref=892471

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/view.php?search=cobra&k=&modal=&display=xlthumbs&order_by=relevance&offset=240&per_page=48&archive=0&sort=DESC&restypes=&recentdaylimit=&foredit=&ref=892461

Photo uploaded from gallery 6/30/2021

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-300621145326.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on July 03, 2021, 04:15:18 PM
1L MFG 013 - '67 GT500 white, MagStars, large letter Goodyear tires, 67-5-19 Sag Harbor/Montauk, NY
This could be Ed Casey’s Company Car #00254

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-030721161020.jpeg)

30 photos of this early white GT500 were found on the REVS Digital Library.
search ‘Shelby GT 500’  Here's a few of them including the full size photo of the rear license plate.

https://library.revsinstitute.org/digital/custom/single-image?id=159632&collection=p17257coll1
https://library.revsinstitute.org/digital/custom/single-image?id=139307&collection=p17257coll1
https://library.revsinstitute.org/digital/custom/single-image?id=184093&collection=p17257coll1
https://library.revsinstitute.org/digital/custom/single-image?id=166544&collection=p17257coll1



Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on July 05, 2021, 12:12:56 PM
1R MFG 013 in Yamaha ad

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-050721121113.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Vernon Estes on July 05, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
1L MFG 013 - '67 GT500 white, MagStars, large letter Goodyear tires, 67-5-19 Sag Harbor/Montauk, NY
This could be Ed Casey’s Company Car #00254


I would find it hard to iomagine that it could be able other car since I acquired the "1L" plates from Ed Casey's son about 4-5 years ago. Ed used them on his GT500 while he used the 1A 4101 "d" plate set on the MKI GT40 road car which he was charged with driving from dealership to dealership on the East Coast for a year doing promotional work. It was a tough cross to bare for Ed to have to have that ole beater taking up a garage spot  ;D

Kind regards,
Vern
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on July 05, 2021, 05:01:21 PM
I think I've had these up her before, maybe forum 1 ?

I shot these photos of a  GT40 at Sud Automobile in Longueuil, south shore of Montreal, summer of '67. It looks like  manufacturer

 plate  is it 3E  or B 013 ? Sorry for the poor quality  ::) I was a 16 year old with what amounted to a Kodak Box Brownie camera

Mike

I don't think we have a positive chassis # on this car yet, Ronnie Spain was stumped as well, even though I have other photos of it.

Mike,
After a second look, I noticed you added the nice and clear second photo. That does appear to be '3E' MFG 013.

Vern,
Thanks for noting the Ed Casey car is a very likely match. PM to follow...
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on July 06, 2021, 12:13:19 PM
Another '1E' photo (full size photo in links)

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/view.php?search=riverside+1964&k=&modal=&display=xlthumbs&order_by=relevance&offset=144&per_page=48&archive=&sort=DESC&restypes=&recentdaylimit=&foredit=&ref=905017

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/view.php?search=riverside+1964&k=&modal=&display=xlthumbs&order_by=relevance&offset=144&per_page=48&archive=&sort=DESC&restypes=&recentdaylimit=&foredit=&ref=905031



(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-060721120903.jpeg)

Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on July 06, 2021, 08:52:26 PM
1L MFG 013 - '67 GT500 white, MagStars, large letter Goodyear tires, 67-5-19 Sag Harbor/Montauk, NY
This could be Ed Casey’s Company Car #00254


I would find it hard to iomagine that it could be able other car since I acquired the "1L" plates from Ed Casey's son about 4-5 years ago. Ed used them on his GT500 while he used the 1A 4101 "d" plate set on the MKI GT40 road car which he was charged with driving from dealership to dealership on the East Coast for a year doing promotional work. It was a tough cross to bare for Ed to have to have that ole beater taking up a garage spot  ;D

Kind regards,
Vern


Found it!

Here's a photos of the GT40 demonstrator with the '1A DLR 4101' license plate.
I'm not certain, but I believe this could be Al Grillo Ford (it's definitely not Tasca Ford). (Edit; NOT GRILLO FORD)

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-060721204752.jpeg)

Updated list in first post.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Vernon Estes on July 07, 2021, 12:43:28 AM
1L MFG 013 - '67 GT500 white, MagStars, large letter Goodyear tires, 67-5-19 Sag Harbor/Montauk, NY
This could be Ed Casey’s Company Car #00254


I would find it hard to iomagine that it could be able other car since I acquired the "1L" plates from Ed Casey's son about 4-5 years ago. Ed used them on his GT500 while he used the 1A 4101 "d" plate set on the MKI GT40 road car which he was charged with driving from dealership to dealership on the East Coast for a year doing promotional work. It was a tough cross to bare for Ed to have to have that ole beater taking up a garage spot  ;D

Kind regards,
Vern


Found it!

Here's a photos of the GT40 demonstrator with the '1A DLR 4101' license plate.
I'm not certain, but I believe this should be Al Grillo Ford (it's definitely not Tasca Ford).


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-060721204752.jpeg)

Updated list in first post.

Yessir that is the one! I have a few more pics of that Gt40 with Ed that I need to dig up and post also!

Vern

Ps- the chassis number of the Gt is P/1058
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: JJH on July 07, 2021, 08:42:43 AM
That photo was not taken at Al Grillo Ford...I live about 5 miles from the original location which was on S. Common St. in Lynn, Mass.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Vernon Estes on July 07, 2021, 11:44:30 PM
That photo was not taken at Al Grillo Ford...I live about 5 miles from the original location which was on S. Common St. in Lynn, Mass.

J-miester,

how many of the cars in the background do you think got victimized shortly after their purchase from Grillo?

Vern
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on July 08, 2021, 10:14:58 PM
From the early Cobra ads; 

1F MFG 013


(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-080721221311.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on July 29, 2021, 12:48:20 PM
Here’s an excel spreadsheet photo that tracks the SAI license plates in Europe. The FIA Cobra’s appear to consistently run the same plates while the Daytona Coupes change over the two-year European race events.

I will update the excel sheet photo here with any additions (or corrections) if any other details are found.

image removed...updated list in reply #120
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Side-Oilers on November 14, 2021, 01:11:20 AM
^^^ Wow, Rich.  Most excellent research and presentation!
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: shelbydoug on November 14, 2021, 09:05:24 AM
^^^ Wow, Rich.  Most excellent research and presentation!

 ;D
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on November 14, 2021, 09:36:32 AM
Thanks for the compliment!

It was time to put that list together after hearing bits and pieces for years.
Not much else to add since we all worked to get it done a few months ago.
I'll keep looking...
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: 427street on November 19, 2021, 10:33:36 AM
So when CSX 3178, Shelby's personal 427 Cobra,  was sold at Mecum in Jan 2021 with 1A MFG 013 as shown in the2021 SAAC annual, was CSX 3178 "born" with that plate, or was a replica plate added during restoration for "period effect"?

Cheers
Greg
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: silverton_ford on November 19, 2021, 10:58:54 AM
So when CSX 3178, Shelby's personal 427 Cobra,  was sold at Mecum in Jan 2021 with 1A MFG 013 as shown in the2021 SAAC annual, was CSX 3178 "born" with that plate, or was a replica plate added during restoration for "period effect"?

Cheers
Greg

You can see a 3F MFG plate in this photo.   

https://cdn1.mecum.com/assets/images/media_group/lots/fl0121-444471/carroll-shelby-and-dan-gurney-with-csx3178_747549.jpg (https://cdn1.mecum.com/assets/images/media_group/lots/fl0121-444471/carroll-shelby-and-dan-gurney-with-csx3178_747549.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: TransamEd on November 29, 2021, 04:47:06 PM
1F at Sierra Montana, Driver Neerpasch 8/64
(http://www.ponysite.de/175_sierramontana864.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: TransamEd on November 29, 2021, 04:57:52 PM
1G Sierra Montana on #176 photo proof
(http://www.ponysite.de/176_sierramontana_864.jpg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: shelbydoug on November 29, 2021, 05:11:33 PM
So when CSX 3178, Shelby's personal 427 Cobra,  was sold at Mecum in Jan 2021 with 1A MFG 013 as shown in the2021 SAAC annual, was CSX 3178 "born" with that plate, or was a replica plate added during restoration for "period effect"?

Cheers
Greg

You can see a 3F MFG plate in this photo.   

https://cdn1.mecum.com/assets/images/media_group/lots/fl0121-444471/carroll-shelby-and-dan-gurney-with-csx3178_747549.jpg (https://cdn1.mecum.com/assets/images/media_group/lots/fl0121-444471/carroll-shelby-and-dan-gurney-with-csx3178_747549.jpg)

Great pics everyone. Great thread. Great research Rich.

The more I see these 427 street cars with the sunbursts, the more I'm appreciating the subtly of them? Kind of innocent looking like a 2500 pound cruise missile waiting to go off on someone?
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Cobra Ned on November 29, 2021, 06:42:02 PM
So when CSX 3178, Shelby's personal 427 Cobra,  was sold at Mecum in Jan 2021 with 1A MFG 013 as shown in the2021 SAAC annual, was CSX 3178 "born" with that plate, or was a replica plate added during restoration for "period effect"?

Cheers
Greg

As you have likely surmised by now, the latter is what occurred.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on December 11, 2021, 11:05:45 AM
Thanks to help from many SAAC forum members we have more to update on the MFG plates in Europe.
I have also tweaked the list to help sort by year and Shelby model.
A few unknowns have been filled in for the FIA Cobras in 1964.


(https://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-111221110053.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on December 11, 2021, 11:10:52 AM
For SPA, in May 1964, we have completed the list with these two images

CSX 2323 #2 with the '1L' MFG plate. Photo thanks to SFM66H aka Kieth (photographer unknown)

(https://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-111221105443.jpeg)


CSX 2345 #3 with the '1G' MFG plate. photo found by me through friends on Facebook (photographer unknown)
(https://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-111221105546.jpeg)

Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on December 11, 2021, 11:20:03 AM
For the Nuburgring 1964 May 31st

CSX 2345 #101 with the '1G' MFG plate. Thanks to szabo aka Stephan. (photographer unknown)

(https://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-111221105718.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on December 11, 2021, 11:27:34 AM
For the 1964 August 30th Hill Climb at La Montagna-Crans (Sierra Montana)

CSX 2301 with the '1F' MFG plate. Thanks to TransamEd aka Wolfgang 'ponysite.de' (photographer unknown)

(https://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-111221105834.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Szabo on December 11, 2021, 05:24:09 PM
Excellent that we all found together more plates and plates for the List,
that is what a Forum should be,
and so we all came forward

Stephan
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Szabo on April 27, 2022, 06:10:58 PM
one new found ...

1G DLR 4101 appears on a red 289 Cobra on August 64 "Car Life" Test with a C2 Vette

(https://abload.de/img/279316462_1047033119254j7m.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=279316462_1047033119254j7m.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/279353547_10470332225srj9i.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=279353547_10470332225srj9i.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/279351697_10470332825x6kkc.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=279351697_10470332825x6kkc.jpg)


Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on April 28, 2022, 11:12:45 AM
Great addition of the Hi-Performance Motors license plate
Updated the list in the first post
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: 6R07mi on May 04, 2022, 11:37:43 PM
I didn't see this photo previously, but it looks like the data is captured

65 Reims CSX2299 1M 013

regards,

jim p
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Cobra Ned on May 05, 2022, 10:13:14 AM
It is my belief that the Daytona Coupe pictured at Reims in '65 using the IM 013 plate was CSX 2300 rather than 2299.
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: tesgt350 on May 06, 2022, 09:10:20 AM
one new found ...

1G DLR 4101 appears on a red 289 Cobra on August 64 "Car Life" Test with a C2 Vette

(https://abload.de/img/279316462_1047033119254j7m.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=279316462_1047033119254j7m.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/279353547_10470332225srj9i.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=279353547_10470332225srj9i.jpg)
(https://abload.de/img/279351697_10470332825x6kkc.jpg) (https://abload.de/image.php?img=279351697_10470332825x6kkc.jpg)

I never could understand why they always did the Car Comparison Tests like this one.  The Cobra is a Convertible and the Vette is a Coupe.  They should have used a Vette Convertible.

Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Side-Oilers on May 06, 2022, 04:18:07 PM
^^^ They might not have been able to get a convertible Vette at the same time.   It's not as simple as it seems. 

I've been through the same thing a hundred times in all the years I worked in the car magazine biz.  Until you get to the MT, CD R&T level (in the old days, anyway) it can be difficult to schedule a comparison test. The more cars in the test, the tougher it is.

You're not just working to hit your deadline date, but also to fit in the car company's schedule for its test cars.

And, occasionally, you'll get the call (sometimes the day before the car was supposed to be ready) that the last magazine guy damaged it and it won't be ready.

So, as an editor, you then have to make the hard decision:

1. Go ahead with the coupe that they do have to loan you. So now it's a convertible vs coupe article.

2. Wait for an indeterminate time period to do the article the way you originally envisioned it (never a good idea, for a lot of publishing reasons.)

3. Just do a single car test.   
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: joephil on May 25, 2022, 06:54:24 AM
Close up showing CSX2602
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: joephil on May 26, 2022, 04:52:39 AM
Poor quality but in color  ::)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on June 04, 2022, 04:00:50 PM
For those of you following along...
Here is a 1969 Shelby GT500 with a California MFG plate '6J MFG 014'
The photos were taken for 'Sports Car Graphic' by the photographer Gerry Stiles.

These might have been taken at the Shelby American office building at 8405 Pershing Drive, Playa Del Rey, CA.
They moved some offices there after LAX closed in August 1967

You can search the Petersen Archives for more 1969 Shelby photos.
https://archive.petersen.org/pages/home.php?login=true



Three links to some different 1969 Shelby photos;

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/search.php

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/search.php?search=1969+Shelby&k=&modal=&display=xlthumbs&order_by=relevance&offset=48&per_page=48&archive=0&sort=DESC&restypes=&recentdaylimit=&foredit=&go=prev&offset=0

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/search.php?search=1969+Shelby&k=&modal=&display=xlthumbs&order_by=relevance&offset=0&per_page=48&archive=&sort=DESC&restypes=&recentdaylimit=&foredit=&go=next&offset=48
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on August 02, 2022, 07:41:45 PM
Updated list in post #1 with new info on plate '1N MFG 013'
THANKS to SZABO/Stephan...for the photo!

Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Cobra Ned on August 03, 2022, 09:49:27 AM
Good thing I know where that 1N 013 tag is resting these days. ;)
Title: Re: Shelby American ‘MFG 013’ license plates
Post by: Richstang on August 20, 2022, 09:41:38 PM
Stephan (Szabo) is hard at work. This time he found a MFG plate in a known photo I never noticed before.
I will update the list in the first post shortly (in red ink for the latest changes).
Close up supplied from Szabo / Stephan. Thank You!

(https://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-200822213826.jpeg)

(https://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-200822213543.jpeg)