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Title: PT Barnum was (unfortunately) right....
Post by: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on August 17, 2021, 12:21:24 AM
Just ran across this...  God help us....  https://www.ebay.com/itm/304107300860?hash=item46ce3527fc:g:1b8AAOSwp2dhGPv-
Title: Re: PT Barnum was (unfortunately) right....
Post by: GT350Lad on August 17, 2021, 12:49:19 AM
Needs a full resto...
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Post by: Don Johnston on August 17, 2021, 01:10:57 AM
That is an expensive data plate. 8)
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Post by: 68stangcjfb on August 17, 2021, 01:55:14 AM
"The vehicle needs work" Understatement of the Century! ;D
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Post by: TOBKOB on August 17, 2021, 08:56:45 AM
Quote from: 68stangcjfb on August 17, 2021, 01:55:14 AM
"The vehicle needs work" Understatement of the Century! ;D

LOL...That car will take a lot of polish and wax to be concours... ;)  ::)

TOB
Title: Re: PT Barnum was (unfortunately) right....
Post by: S7MS427 on August 17, 2021, 09:03:03 AM
Condition: Used.  And then some...
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Post by: Greg on August 17, 2021, 10:09:50 AM
This is actually laughable and ridiculous, this seller obviously supports the car rebody market....  Their reputation should mean more to them than a few $$....
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Post by: KR Convertible on August 17, 2021, 10:30:53 AM
Hmm.  Beckley W. Virginia.  That's probably one of the regular forum contributors.
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Post by: trotrof1 on August 17, 2021, 10:47:40 AM
Only a few hundred over MSRP.
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Post by: Coralsnake on August 17, 2021, 10:50:53 AM
The seller is a forum member
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Post by: 67 GT350 on August 17, 2021, 11:11:05 AM
"Paint is dull, but I kind of liked it that way." LOL, that is what I was told before.

What if that was a 65 through 70 Shelby?
Title: Re: PT Barnum was (unfortunately) right....
Post by: 69mach351w on August 17, 2021, 11:14:03 AM
Quote from: 67 GT350 on August 17, 2021, 11:11:05 AM
"Paint is dull, but I kind of liked it that way." LOL, that is what I was told before.

What if that was a 65 through 70 Shelby?
It'd still be a chunk of twisted metal. :o
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Post by: 6S1568 on August 17, 2021, 12:53:41 PM
I'm sorry that I looked at the link in this post! Yikes!
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Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on August 17, 2021, 12:54:26 PM
Coming soon - to a stolen car near you.
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Post by: deathsled on August 17, 2021, 01:59:26 PM
A great first car for my daughter.
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Post by: George Schalk on August 17, 2021, 02:10:25 PM
It's an original and unrestored "Survivor" car!!  :-\
It would be interesting to hear the back story on this one and if the occupants made it out alive. WOW!!
Title: Re: PT Barnum was (unfortunately) right....
Post by: Bill on August 17, 2021, 05:06:46 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on August 17, 2021, 10:50:53 AM
The seller is a forum member

And such a wise man is he, imagine the $$$$ worth of free advertising happening across the automotive forums right now  ;D
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Post by: Chad on August 17, 2021, 05:23:34 PM
But the steering wheel is there!  Looks like something Marty would try to sell.  Except he would say it was NOS!
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Post by: shelbymann1970 on August 17, 2021, 06:03:05 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on August 17, 2021, 10:50:53 AM
The seller is a forum member
You are always on top of things. That is great.

I wonder how the steering wheel survived better than the Bullitt wheel?
Title: Re: PT Barnum was (unfortunately) right....
Post by: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on August 17, 2021, 06:23:31 PM
Quote from: 6S1568 on August 17, 2021, 12:53:41 PM
I'm sorry that I looked at the link in this post! Yikes!

Exactly... you cannot 'un-see' that!
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Post by: Shelby4Life on August 17, 2021, 06:29:00 PM
It's got air...
Title: Re: PT Barnum was (unfortunately) right....
Post by: 557 on August 17, 2021, 06:54:16 PM
But,it's a "survivor " ::)........
Title: Re: PT Barnum was (unfortunately) right....
Post by: PrettyMuchAShelbyGuy on August 17, 2021, 07:03:28 PM
In 1972, I was a dumb-ass 11 year old kid & spent the better part of $20.00 hard earned dollars for what I later felt was a 'con artist' taking advantage of a kid and bought a PoS Briggs & Stratton engined Mini Bike...  What sold me, that line of "runs great, but needs a 'little tinkering'...  My older brother of 7 years was there to help me get it home.  I cannot tell you how many times he's rammed that down my throat with other projects.... "Hey Tom, looks great,,,could use a little tinkering though"...  Still bitter about that $20.00... but, hey it was a great education for me.

For those that can't bring themselves to click the link.. See the attached photo!

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Post by: 557 on August 17, 2021, 08:52:03 PM
Patina...
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Post by: tesgt350 on August 17, 2021, 10:27:29 PM
Gas Monkey could have that on the road in a week and then take it to Auction and get $100,000  for it.
Title: Re: PT Barnum was (unfortunately) right....
Post by: GT350Lad on August 18, 2021, 06:57:32 AM
Quote from: tesgt350 on August 17, 2021, 10:27:29 PM
Gas Monkey could have that on the road in a week and then take it to Auction and get $100,000  for it.

Actually probably sadly correct
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Post by: 68stangcjfb on August 18, 2021, 09:06:24 AM
I don't know. Some of those ceramic coat products do wonders!😁😁😁
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Post by: deathsled on August 18, 2021, 09:33:19 AM
Hmmmmmm....
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Post by: Sfm6sxxx on August 18, 2021, 11:35:00 AM

Where is Arnie Cunningham when you need him.
Title: Re: PT Barnum was (unfortunately) right....
Post by: 69mach351w on August 18, 2021, 12:35:58 PM
Evidently he's a pretty nice guy. A few talk highly of him over on the 428 forum.

https://www.428cobrajet.org/forum/index.php?topic=28820.msg193482#msg193482
Title: Re: PT Barnum was (unfortunately) right....
Post by: shelbymann1970 on August 18, 2021, 02:12:41 PM
Car was registered with the 428 Forum. Scott has now updated the condition of the car in the registry.
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Post by: mtdubvee on August 19, 2021, 11:40:08 AM
Its my car. It was brought to me from an old scrap yard. Anyone that has ever dealt with me knows I'm a straight up honest seller. Its being sold in the condition I got it in and it has the VINs on the aprons, clear title and tags just like any other car, except this one is in awful condition. Would everyone be happy if I just scrapped it for good and put the title and tags in the trash, because I'm sure that's what everyone else would do. I'm not selling just tags and title here, atleast I have the actual car even if its in scrap condition. If anyone has anything negative to say to me, feel free to PM me.
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Post by: shelbymann1970 on August 19, 2021, 12:06:22 PM
Quote from: mtdubvee on August 19, 2021, 11:40:08 AM
Its my car. It was brought to me from an old scrap yard. Anyone that has ever dealt with me knows I'm a straight up honest seller. Its being sold in the condition I got it in and it has the VINs on the aprons, clear title and tags just like any other car, except this one is in awful condition. Would everyone be happy if I just scrapped it for good and put the title and tags in the trash, because I'm sure that's what everyone else would do. I'm not selling just tags and title here, atleast I have the actual car even if its in scrap condition. If anyone has anything negative to say to me, feel free to PM me.
I personally do not care how the car is rebuilt(dynacorn, another body, Mark Worman 71 Cuda way). Most are honest with the history. The tagging of vins helps potential buyers to search and know the truth. Obviously you are on the up and respected. But future sellers may not be. Also how many rebody 65-70 Shelbys are out there or owned by club members? I'm sure some. Again, I wouldn't have a problem with this car being resurrected so not everyone here would throw the tags into the trash. I'm not sure how I would handle that car because I'm not nearly as talented as some who restore.
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Post by: mtdubvee on August 19, 2021, 12:43:13 PM
Plain and simple. I'm selling a rough basket case. I'm not the mustang police and if someone buys it's they can do as they wish it's not my business. But my part is honestly just selling a basket case.

I respect the club and the members and most importantly the hobby as an enthusiast.
Title: Re: PT Barnum was (unfortunately) right....
Post by: 69mach351w on August 19, 2021, 02:30:55 PM
Like I mentioned, you might be a straight up guy and done fair business in the past, but come on Man, The fact is the VIN plate and the body buck tag was removed from the car that you can plainly see from the photos. 

Whoever buys this "pile of metal", yes, that's all it is, will know what the value is here, and it's in both VIN stamped pieces. You mentioned yourself that the car is in scrap condition and is WAY beyond ever being something to drive!!

So you HAVE to know in your mind that down the road there will undoubtedly be a VIN swap and someone is eventually going to get a Non Original Mustang FB and sure that Fraud will come up.

Just My Opinion because ALL these forums (CMF, 428, Boss and SAAC)are about the preservation, restoration of the true car behind the VINS and most here, if truth is known, is not a big fan of sales like this.

Be Covid Safe,
Rich
Title: Re: PT Barnum was (unfortunately) right....
Post by: mtdubvee on August 19, 2021, 02:50:38 PM
I'm selling this car as it sets. With title and all tags. Plain and simple. As far as the buck tag being removed and the VIN tag, it's how I received it. Most restored cars have had both removed at some
Point for restoration so this isn't much different as far as removal. I'm almost 100% sure than nobody would scrap it and throw it away over concern of what the next guy would do with it. I've actually had several people that build cars on jigs call me and say they can fix it and are entertaining the idea, and if fully pictured documented, would be no different than someone buying a really rusty car and replacing 90% of the sheet metal.  Certainly would require a lot of new metal as most of these old cars have. Sometimes people with a lot of will can start with little to nothing and fix something.

Nevertheless, I certainly hear your concern. If I was trying to do anything else, I wouldn't have put it on public display for the masses.

We all know people have restored salvage cars before. Funny to me that people act like this would be the first time.
Title: Re: PT Barnum was (unfortunately) right....
Post by: FL SAAC on August 19, 2021, 04:32:34 PM
Quote from: mtdubvee on August 19, 2021, 02:50:38 PM
I'm selling this car as it sets. With title and all tags. Plain and simple. As far as the buck tag being removed and the VIN tag, it's how I received it. Most restored cars have had both removed at some
Point for restoration so this isn't much different as far as removal. I'm almost 100% sure than nobody would scrap it and throw it away over concern of what the next guy would do with it. I've actually had several people that build cars on jigs call me and say they can fix it and are entertaining the idea, and if fully pictured documented, would be no different than someone buying a really rusty car and replacing 90% of the sheet metal.  Certainly would require a lot of new metal as most of these old cars have. Sometimes people with a lot of will can start with little to nothing and fix something.

Nevertheless, I certainly hear your concern. If I was trying to do anything else, I wouldn't have put it on public display for the masses.

We all know people have restored salvage cars before. Funny to me that people act like this would be the first time.


Not to go off topic ( but I'm going to ) this is what will happen or is happening to "Jimmies car" # 939 right now:

As stated before , this project has been in the works for years.

Not only Mustang / Shelby experts, but many other experts in different non automotive fields are involved. The duplicating and aging the paper work for your paper trail as you mentioned has more than likely been done. You will have witnesses available to testify its validity and existence. This is a major production.

The vehicle may come out as a derelict rebuildable or driveable  with patina. Again years in the making.
 
I believe possibly someone of influence or great influence and with great financial strength would want to recreate or resuscitate this valuable Shelby.

Once again all the I's will be dotted and all the Ts will be crossed...

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Jimmy is dead
And his car is too...