Does anyone know how SA had these made? Were the steel frames "65" style for all hoods and were the date codes all together?
Basically were they made in batches.....I would guess they were not made one at a time.
Thanks!!
There are ( at least) two distinctive designs for glass/ steel '66 hoods and the difference (primarily) pertains to the scoop opening . The "early" version has "angled corners" and the later versions have "rounded corners" on the opening. This could very well have been a supplier change. The Ford supplied steel frames were date coded . I am not sure what the "order quantity" was from the supplier(s) but the quantity ''kicked around" has been 100 pcs at a time. Keep in mind several hundred ''all steel" hoods were produced too. IIRC these began appearing after the serial 600 range but I could be off a hundred. Berry PlastiGlass was the initial supplier.
Randy
So I assume all were 66 steel frames then and date code could be anything?
I don't think "anything" is appropriate but certainly "before the car was built" would be correct. To be sure , "I" would ask other owners in your car's vin range. My '66 ( 477) has a '65 stamping date because the car was built in '65 but is a '66 chassis and Ford vin.
Were the holes for the hood pins drilled beforehand. I've seen some "clocked" differently (not 12-3-6-9)
No they were done at SAI.
I have also noticed a difference under the leading edge of the 1966 GT350 hoods. Some have what I call "gussets" and some don't. See these pics for the difference.
Steve
(Pictures courtesy of Brant Halterman at Virginia Classic Mustang)
Hey Randy, do you have any pictures that would show the 2 different scoop openings? That's something I was unaware of and would like to understand better.
Thanks,
Steve
Quote from: SFM6S087 on September 04, 2021, 10:15:48 AM
I have also noticed a difference under the leading edge of the 1966 GT350 hoods. Some have what I call "gussets" and some don't. See these pics for the difference.
Steve
(Pictures courtesy of Brant Halterman at Virginia Classic Mustang)
Picture 2 - those ribs/gussets may have added to increase the rigidity of that section of the hood. Maybe some lot gorillas were pushing the hoods shut with such force they were bending the leading edge. I wonder if Pic 1 has a 65 date code and 2 a 66 date code - or if it was a running change in 65.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on September 04, 2021, 04:01:17 PM
Picture 2 - those ribs/gussets may have added to increase the rigidity of that section of the hood. Maybe some lot gorillas were pushing the hoods shut with such force they were bending the leading edge. I wonder if Pic 1 has a 65 date code and 2 a 66 date code - or if it was a running change in 65.
The version of the under structure was also shared with the regular Mustangs. These specific structural changes took place during 65 Mustang production if I recall correctly. Looked into it in the past but can't recall if I published the survey
Of course it would be better if we had date codes for each car or at least for Mustangs the real completion dates like we have in 67 and up cars. There were multiple shipments of hood frames made to the supplier to turn into the Shelby hoods through out 1966 production based on the date codes from the frames that have been collected.
Quote from: SFM6S087 on September 04, 2021, 11:25:07 AM
Hey Randy, do you have any pictures that would show the 2 different scoop openings? That's something I was unaware of and would like to understand better.
Thanks,
Steve
Steve ,
I am photo challenged. My scoop looks like yours on a carryover. The flat portion of the hood extends slightly into the opening and the lower corners of the scoop are ''angular". I "assume" these hoods were done by Berry Plastiglass. At some point ( well after serial 1200) the scoop opening went to a "cutout" style. By that I mean the opening was molded ''closed" ( by appearance) and then cut open. This method "may" have been because of a supplier change away from Berry , I am not sure. Anyway the lower flat portion of the scoop opening does NOT extend into the scoop opening as ours do. Maybe Jeff has some pictures of what I am describing.
Randy
While we're waiting to see if any better pictures get posted, here are two shots of my current hood. It's an original 1966 GT350 hood, but not original to my 6S087.
Randy, (or anyone else), can you identify this hood type by that scoop opening? Early? Late? Cutout? Molded? Angular? Closed? Whatever?
Please ignore the odd shade of blue in these pics. I had to do a little brightening in Photoshop to get the details to show and that caused a change in the color.
Steve
Here's a picture of the other corner of my hood. It has a sharper cutout angle where the scoop meets the body of the hood. The other side looks more rounded at that joint. Could be that one of these areas has had some past repair work. I don't know the history of this hood except that it's from a 1966 GT350 - as told to me by Jim Cowles when he purchased it to use during the restoration of my car.
In any case, I post these pics here for the more knowledgeable forum members to use as examples to teach us something about the different versions of the fiberglass over steel hoods.
Steve
Quote from: SFM6S087 on September 08, 2021, 02:51:35 PM
While we're waiting to see if any better pictures get posted, here are two shots of my current hood. It's an original 1966 GT350 hood, but not original to my 6S087.
Randy, (or anyone else), can you identify this hood type by that scoop opening? Early? Late? Cutout? Molded? Angular? Closed? Whatever?
Please ignore the odd shade of blue in these pics. I had to do a little brightening in Photoshop to get the details to show and that caused a change in the color.
Steve
Steve,
This one "to me" is a later hood. You can clearly see the rounded lower corners AND the flat portion of the hood stops at the top of the scoop. This "to me" was a labor saving move as the scoop opening was closed and then cut open after released from the mold.
Randy
Quote from: SFM6S087 on September 08, 2021, 08:05:07 PM
Here's a picture of the other corner of my hood. It has a sharper cutout angle where the scoop meets the body of the hood. The other side looks more rounded at that joint. Could be that one of these areas has had some past repair work. I don't know the history of this hood except that it's from a 1966 GT350 - as told to me by Jim Cowles when he purchased it to use during the restoration of my car.
In any case, I post these pics here for the more knowledgeable forum members to use as examples to teach us something about the different versions of the fiberglass over steel hoods.
Steve
Steve, this opening is closer but the flat portion of the hood is still ending at the scoop opening. let me try and get a photo ( unless someone else can before me) of the corner of my hood so you can see that and how the flat portion of the hood extends in and how it is cut.
Be patient.
Randy
Randy, thanks for sharing your opinion on this hood. I have long suspected that this is a "later" hood based on the "gussets" under the leading edge. But I never knew that there was a difference in the scoop opening. What fun this is learning something new!
If your trouble with photos is posting them to the forum, feel free to email them to me and I'll post them here for you. My email address is in my forum profile.
If anyone else has some pictures of the scoop opening on the "early" fiberglass over steel hoods, please jump in and post them.
Thanks,
Steve
Steve ,
I am not smart enough to own a smart phone and my flip phone is erratic at best. Plus the car is in the hauler at the moment. I'll work on it as this is key information.
Randy
Did look through my pictures - lots of them though as expected not an area of the car many people have taken pictures of. Can offer the following two examples that appear different from one another. Of course during "restorations" and repair the opening has been modified (some pretty ugly) and no longer look like originals
Hope this helps in some way
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/16/6-090921153259-160131191.jpeg)
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/16/6-090921153258-16011777.jpeg)
Not an area I've spent much time looking into or at
Jeff ,
Thanks as always! The gold stripe is similar to mine and the blue stripe is similar to the later hood although I can't see if the hood extends into the scoop area like the gold stripe hood.
The example with the gold stripes is from an early car in the just less that 6S500 range and the blue striped is from the early teens
Makes sense as mine is 477. Mine has never been "body worked" in the scoop area . The pictures ( when I get them ) will show the details I talk about.
Jeff, Thanks for the pictures, and the info about which scoop is the early and later version.
Jeff & Randy, Thanks for adding to my education!
I'm now reasonably convinced that the early hood version had the deeper scoop opening like the gold hood Jeff posted, along with NO "gussets" under the leading edge. And the later hood version had the shallower scoop opening like the blue hood Jeff posted, along with the 4 "gussets" under the leading edge. Does anyone disagree with that? Have I gone off the rails with that generalization? Maybe those two features do not need to be linked to each other?
Also, has anyone linked the clocking of the hood pin plate rivets to these two hood types? Could the 12-3-6-9 clocking go with the early hoods and the 2-4-8-10 clocking go with the later hoods?
Steve
See no reason to thing there is a link between the the clocking of the hood pin plates in 66 with the style of hood be it fiberglass and steel early, late or steel in its different versions.
Going to have to think and digest your other statement before offering an opinion :)
Might be a bit off topic but what about the replacement or NOS hoods of the era? If an original was damaged. What are they like? Like the late style?
Cheers