Hallo,
are there two different engine hoods?
I have heard about a early steel frame hood. What is difference to the later hood?
Best regards
Michael from Germany
Quote from: Monzinger on November 13, 2021, 10:11:09 AM
Hallo,
are there two different engine hoods?
I have heard about a early steel frame hood. What is difference to the later hood?
Best regards
Michael from Germany
OYE! :o
Quote from: Monzinger on November 13, 2021, 10:11:09 AM
Hallo,
are there two different engine hoods?
I have heard about a early steel frame hood. What is difference to the later hood?
Best regards
Michael from Germany
On the early steel innerstructure hoods there was one for the GT350 and one for GT500. The one for the GT500 was the same hood except the steel innerstructure was cut at the factory and notched for clearance so that the oval air cleaner on the GT500 would clear when the hood was shut. The later all fiberglass hoods would fit ether GT350 or 500 without modification.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on November 13, 2021, 10:38:10 AM
Quote from: Monzinger on November 13, 2021, 10:11:09 AM
Hallo,
are there two different engine hoods?
I have heard about a early steel frame hood. What is difference to the later hood?
Best regards
Michael from Germany
On the early steel innerstructure hoods there was one for the GT350 and one for GT500. The one for the GT500 was the same hood except the steel innerstructure was cut at the factory and notched for clearance so that the oval air cleaner on the GT500 would clear when the hood was shut. The later all fiberglass hoods would fit ether GT350 or 500 without modification.
There was also a later all-fiberglass with Louvers developed for Big-Block A/C cars...
Does anyone know if there were different fiberglass methods of construction for the hybrid metal structure hoods.
(cloth mesh on the early parts and maybe mat strand on the later ones...different vendors?)
That would take the versions of hoods from 4 to 6, if true.
When we are saying "earlier" and "later", what are the approximate car numbers of GT350's and 500's for certain hood style usage?
For what it's worth, number 683 GT500 built in January has an all fiberglass hood and steel frame/fiberglass skin deck lid.
Quote from: 430dragpack on November 13, 2021, 12:27:39 PM
When we are saying "earlier" and "later", what are the approximate car numbers of GT350's and 500's for certain hood style usage?
It was done by date. Shelby was running out of metal framed hoods in March so there was a mix of all glass and metal framed hoods, especially later on in the month. A few metal hoods did make it into April. Near the end of the run of them, some GT 350's ended up with hoods with the GT 500 cut out.
Dave
Quote from: 430dragpack on November 13, 2021, 12:27:39 PM
When we are saying "earlier" and "later", what are the approximate car numbers of GT350's and 500's for certain hood style usage?
There is no definitive line in the sand. It is mostly based on the build dates at SJ and the completion dates at SAI.
With so many running changes at both Ford and Shelby that's the coined phrase that has been repeatedly used and accepted.
For the hoods, it appear the metal structure was used far longer that some people might think.
It believe we are looking at the running change at SAI happening in March of 1967. (thanks Dave, I was going off of my memory)
Vielen Dank für euere Rückmeldung.
Zusammenfassung:
Es gibt zwei Varianten für die GT350
Wie kann ich diese unterscheiden? Hat jemand Bilder von den unterschiedlichen hauben?
Grüße
Quote from: Richstang on November 13, 2021, 12:16:08 PM
Does anyone know if there were different fiberglass methods of construction for the hybrid metal structure hoods.
(cloth mesh on the early parts and maybe mat strand on the later ones...different vendors?)
That would take the versions of hoods from 4 to 6, if true.
I have seen a good number of steel inner structure hoods in my many years of inspecting and judging 67 Shelby's none of which that I have come across that the fiberglass skins were of the chopped up fiberglass piece material variety . If any were done it would most likely be a very small fraction of production.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on November 13, 2021, 01:26:36 PM
Quote from: Richstang on November 13, 2021, 12:16:08 PM
Does anyone know if there were different fiberglass methods of construction for the hybrid metal structure hoods.
(cloth mesh on the early parts and maybe mat strand on the later ones...different vendors?)
That would take the versions of hoods from 4 to 6, if true.
I have seen a good number of steel inner structure hoods in my many years of inspecting and judging 67 Shelby's none of which that I have come across that the fiberglass skins were of the chopped up fiberglass piece material variety . If any were done it would most likely be a very small fraction of production.
thanks Bob...that is good to know.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on November 13, 2021, 01:26:36 PM
Quote from: Richstang on November 13, 2021, 12:16:08 PM
Does anyone know if there were different fiberglass methods of construction for the hybrid metal structure hoods.
(cloth mesh on the early parts and maybe mat strand on the later ones...different vendors?)
That would take the versions of hoods from 4 to 6, if true.
I have seen a good number of steel inner structure hoods in my many years of inspecting and judging 67 Shelby's none of which that I have come across that the fiberglass skins were of the chopped up fiberglass piece material variety . If any were done it would most likely be a very small fraction of production.
I should clarify that I hadn't seen any original hoods that way. I have seen some restorer attempts to copy the original steel inner structure hoods where a later original chopped fiperglass or repro hood was used and the steel inner structure added.
Also good to know, thanks for adding that point.
I may have seen one or two with the mat strand with metal, but I'm not certain if they were reproduction parts as you mention.
It was a good question for a discussion, and something I will pay more attention to going forward.
Thank you for your help and explanation
Quote from: Richstang on November 13, 2021, 12:16:08 PM
Does anyone know if there were different fiberglass methods of construction for the hybrid metal structure hoods.
(cloth mesh on the early parts and maybe mat strand on the later ones...different vendors?)
That would take the versions of hoods from 4 to 6, if true.
Rich,
Like I told you the last time you asked me, this is in the new Registry along with vendors. Hopefully SAAC will get it printed soon.
Dave
Quote from: JD on November 13, 2021, 10:59:03 AM
There was also a later all-fiberglass with Louvers developed for Big-Block A/C cars...
Were there any louvered hoods used on non-a/c GT-500s ?
Originally no, however a couple cars did end up with them under warranty as a replacement. After production, the first hoods that Ford ran out of were the smooth hoods. From then on louvered hoods were the only hoods available until they they were depleted. That is why we see some non AC cars with the louvered hoods.
Dave
Quote from: GT350DAVE on November 13, 2021, 05:57:35 PM
Originally no, however a couple cars did end up with them under warranty as a replacement. After production, the first hoods that Ford ran out of were the smooth hoods. From then on louvered hoods were the only hoods available until they they were depleted. That is why we see some non AC cars with the louvered hoods.
Dave
Thanks Dave..... the reason I asked is I looked at a brittney blue/parchment/4 speed a few weeks ago who swore his louvered hood was original to the car. Originally out of TX and somewhere in the 02800 number range.
I think we had a thread here talking about this, I think some non a/c cars came with the louvered hoods. When they closed LAX some of the last cars ended up with the hoods as far as I recognize.
Kent,
Some people want to believe their hoods were put on at the factory 54 years ago but have not done their homework. Yes, a couple of cars received them under warranty from a dealer but we have a good idea which cars they are.
The proof of which cars received louvered hoods at the Shelby comes from the factory Daily Poduction Sheets which noted by Vin. which cars received the louvered hoods. All of those cars had factory AC.
Dave
Quote from: GT350DAVE on November 14, 2021, 10:01:42 AM
Kent,
Some people want to believe their hoods were put on at the factory 54 years ago but have not done their homework. Yes, a couple of cars received them under warranty from a dealer but we have a good idea which cars they are.
The proof of which cars received louvered hoods at the Shelby comes from the factory Daily Poduction Sheets which noted by Vin. which cars received the louvered hoods. All of those cars had factory AC.
Dave
- and the mic is dropped . ;D
Ok that is interesting, so all non ac cars with Louvered Hoods recieved them later by a dealer for warranty or by the owner? The Daily Production Sheets what else do they tell? Can you show us one? Its really interesting to see that, so maybe its easier to find out which parts are correct on a car and which not. Thanks for the information.
And Bob the Mic is always on, this a forum and a club to discuss and learn you should know that. Thanks you and all the other great people here for helping us every day with you knowledge.
I´m 38 years now and I dont know that much like you maybe because I have lot of business going on, building fast cars and doing some restorations, but I already had and own some Shelbys and I will own some more in my life.
I think its important to have the mic always on, or the next generation will really drop the mic sell off their collections and after some years this all will be forgotten history. I really hope not.
I assume most conversation is related to the GT500, but I do have a GT350 that received a new louvered hood under warranty according to paperwork received from Dave. The number is 2584. Replaced 9/25/67 three months after purchase.
Quote from: Kent on November 15, 2021, 02:23:17 AM
Ok that is interesting, so all non ac cars with Louvered Hoods recieved them later by a dealer for warranty or by the owner? The Daily Production Sheets what else do they tell? Can you show us one? Its really interesting to see that, so maybe its easier to find out which parts are correct on a car and which not. Thanks for the information.
And Bob the Mic is always on, this a forum and a club to discuss and learn you should know that. Thanks you and all the other great people here for helping us every day with you knowledge.
I´m 38 years now and I dont know that much like you maybe because I have lot of business going on, building fast cars and doing some restorations, but I already had and own some Shelbys and I will own some more in my life.
I think its important to have the mic always on, or the next generation will really drop the mic sell off their collections and after some years this all will be forgotten history. I really hope not.
Kent ,you don't understand the meaning of the mike drop in this context . As a interjection it is used to indicate that something has been very impressive or cannot be topped. It was not meant to demean your knowledge. Sorry you took it that way.
Quote from: Kent on November 15, 2021, 02:23:17 AM
Ok that is interesting, so all non ac cars with Louvered Hoods recieved them later by a dealer for warranty or by the owner? The Daily Production Sheets what else do they tell? Can you show us one? Its really interesting to see that, so maybe its easier to find out which parts are correct on a car and which not. Thanks for the information.
And Bob the Mic is always on, this a forum and a club to discuss and learn you should know that. Thanks you and all the other great people here for helping us every day with you knowledge.
I´m 38 years now and I dont know that much like you maybe because I have lot of business going on, building fast cars and doing some restorations, but I already had and own some Shelbys and I will own some more in my life.
I think its important to have the mic always on, or the next generation will really drop the mic sell off their collections and after some years this all will be forgotten history. I really hope not.
Kent,
Like you have done in the past, if you have a question about a car you own or a car you are considering, feel free to email me directly.
Dave
:o sorry and thanks for clarifying this Bob, thats the problem sometimes with proverbs, to many differences to german. I only thought it sounded like my mic is dropped ;D
Ok back to topic, so just guessing when Shelby closed LAX and they didnt had this or that part can we see in the daily production sheets what they used instead?
Some of us know that the comfortweave material was going out at the end of production and the seats came with the "normal" vinyl deluxe covers. So did that maybe also happend with other parts, so lets say a normal non ac hood was not there and they installed an ac hood on a non ac car?
p.s yes Dave we should talk about some more things, really interesting.