Shelbys in France
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Hi everyone, I am looking for all information about the 1965-1970 Shelby GT350 / GT500 that were originally sold in France or were registered for the first time.
I've already done a little research and know INTER-SPORT
who was the general importer, I have read from 11 6 1966 Shelbys, some of which were officially reported via Ford Advance Vehicel in England.
So I'm looking for several things and hope for your interest and support.
-Is there any pictures of the INTER-SPORT company at the known address ???
-are the Shelbys in the pictures to be assigned to the Shelbys Vin?
Thanks in advance,
Greetings from Germany.
Stephan
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License Plate "398 SR 75"
Personal car from Mr. Schlesser? shown here
in official advertising and with daughter Chantal Schlesser
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License Plate: "373 GY 73"
Mr. Jean Deroudille
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Louis Rustin
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Monthery Rally 1966 Ivy Green
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Rally de Tulipes 66 Control de Saint Maurice sur Moselle
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Stephan, another great thread and research !
one from my files, Deroudille, '66 GT350 rallye de ???? France.
Mike
Stephan, you already have one image of this car on the thread, one more.
Robert ? Course de Cote, Monts du Jura, 1970 France.
Stephan,
Could the Ivy Green 66 be 6S923 owned and raced by Claude Dubois?
My friend Roland in Sweden owns that car now and it still has a Panhard Rod
on the car and the holes in the rear floorboard for the seatbelt harness.
The pictures show it as it looks today.
Texas Swede
We talked about it on the French forum: Autodiva
https://www.autodiva.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=405&p=624764&hilit=6S1071#p624764
march 12 2021
To my knowledge none in 1965 :-X
Jo Schlesser's GT350 is 6S397 ;)
and on the intersport advertising it's 6S398 .
Right Chris, ;) in the "intersport" commercials 6S398 is used.
In Jean-Pierre Versini's French magazine: Mustang & Shelby magazine N ° 10 from April-May-June 2016 six pages are devoted to 6S398 who is still in France :)
397 on the right and 398 on the left in the photo. 8)
Just France? My 70 GT350 was sold new in Belgium By Claude and the 4th owner was a Frenchman and when I got it it came with a French title. I also sent a 68 GT350 to France in 2013.
6S465 Targa Florio 1967
6S1071
6S797 is behind the French singer Johnny Hallyday (February 1967)
Another by Jean Deroudille ;)
Anybody knows the serial number of the Ivy Green car?
the registrations papers from Belgium say that the car was registered in Claude Dubois
name 1970. That probably means the car spent its first years in either England, Belgium or France.
Texas Swede
Hello Guys,
thanks a lot for that massive answers and great Photo and Vin Research ... thats is what i hoped for
When i read about only 11 Cars in 1966 i hoped to find all, even with SFM and time correct Photo
@Joephil Thanks for that Link to the French Forum, i searched there that to, but i cant read french good as english and so i can only
do limited research
Thank you very much for your inport, any thought and pic is welcome..
This 397 and 398 Thing is strange but awesome to see both on one Pic
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on December 06, 2021, 08:26:28 AM
Just France? My 70 GT350 was sold new in Belgium By Claude and the 4th owner was a Frenchman and when I got it it came with a French title. I also sent a 68 GT350 to France in 2013.
Hello Shelbymann, thank you for your inport.
I am interested in every Car outside America, so you and your Car is very welcome
I came with 2 time correct
"Sport Auto" Magazine from French
in
April 1966 only a Poster is showed, the Man is Jo Schleser himself,
i am wondering about the strange Exhaust Tipes ...
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in
Augost 1966 the ad is shoed with 6S398 and another Car is test drived
The Car wears other Licence Plate ( Nr. will edith asap) and nice Inter-Sport Sticker at the rear end.
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Greets from Germany
Stephan
Quote from: texas swede on December 04, 2021, 10:31:55 PM
Stephan,
Could the Ivy Green 66 be 6S923 owned and raced by Claude Dubois?
My friend Roland in Sweden owns that car now and it still has a Panhard Rod
on the car and the holes in the rear floorboard for the seatbelt harness.
The pictures show it as it looks today.
Texas Swede
Hello Texas Swede,
i didnt have the SFM Number but i try to read in the French Forum where i found this Pic
One Person says about 5 Cars who are import to Filipinetti (Switzerland) Performance Ltd.
a other Person says that was a Car of "Hughes Hazard" that was bought in Paris, Car Shop named "Savoy"
one person called himself 6S772, this is another Car in ivy green, first deliverd into Zürich
They called also about 6s923 and also Woflgang Kohrn give a reply who had visit your friend in his garage
http://www.ponysite.de/sweden1.htm
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Patrick Felbelman, 6S772, Wissembourg hill climb, May 21st. '67, France ? delivered in Zurich, Switzerland, as noted in reply 16 by
Stephan.
Mike
A bit more background on the delivery channels:
Acc. to Howards list he sent me back then a few more than 70 66 Shelbys were sent via Ford Advanced Vehicles/UK headed by John Wyer, which was the preferred channel capable and in charge to import Ford USA cars early on.
Claude Dubois sold 9 66 Shelbys at the early Jan 66 Bruxelles Motor show, but his orders to Ford Belgium were not processed by them, so he got them from FAV. 6S923 is one of them that came in via FAV to Belgium in 1966. He was a direct importer from 1.1.1967 on after a deal was made with CS.
Alan Mann sold at least 12 Shelby GT350 sitting for 3 month at FAV, I think at and after the London Racing Show Nov. 65.
Thanks,
Here is a copy of the registration of 6S923 by Claude Dubois in Belgium.
The strange thing is the date of the document, 1970. Where and owned by whom
during the 4 years after it arrived in England and before it came into the hands of
Mr. Dubois.
Texas Swede
Claude Dubois used the same P.V.A. 40259 (procès vebal d'agrément) for all Shelbys 67-71 and the GT250......(those were the times). As far as I know Belgium typically used P.V.Gs, so there is another thing to interpret or research, what type of car approval was really used to get the Shelbys in Belgium on the road. The name Shelby Cobra may indicate something around the source of paperwork.
Quote from: texas swede on December 08, 2021, 11:09:37 PM
Thanks,
Here is a copy of the registration of 6S923 by Claude Dubois in Belgium.
The strange thing is the date of the document, 1970. Where and owned by whom
during the 4 years after it arrived in England and before it came into the hands of
Mr. Dubois.
Texas Swede
Hello Texas Swede,
is it possible to get a higher resolution Pic from that ???, i want to check something and hope to help when
read word by word.
Hello everyone, thank you very much for all of your input,
at the moment more questions than solutions arise with every new find or tip.
First of all I would like to thank "JoePhil",
who supports me in the search with lots of information and pictures, I learn something new every day.
I have decided to write a separate article about every known car,
with new pictures or contexts we might get on.
I would like to start with the existing SFM numbers, with the associated images and data
SFM 6 S 398 aka "398 SR 75"
the following data is available:
White, LeMans Top Stripe, Cragar Wheels
03.12.1965 shipped to FAV (SAAC Registry 2019)
18.01.1965 still at FAV, issued Credit
NEW 10.12.21 = 04.1966 Sport Auto Magazin, Poster with Jo Schlesser, Cragar, special Exhaust Tips
06.1966 Sport Auto Magazin "Special Le Mans" 08/1966 Plate 398 SR 75, showed Painted Magnum Wheels
08.1966 Sport Auto Magazin, same advertisement
Date unkown, but befor 1968, Chantal Schlesser Pic
Date unkown but befor 1968 (Jo Schlesser died 1968) colored negative pic,
purchased at PLASSART, TRIGANO, ca. 1973 ROCHER and others (See Registry 2019)
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This is the second car that some data is available on
SFM 6 S 397
White, according to the Registry LeMans Top Stripes, Cragar rims
Unfortunately, there is no secured photo, but accord to the SAAC Register 2019
there is the following data
03.12.1965 shipped to FAV (SAAC Registry 2019)
18.01.1965 still at FAV, issued Credit
19.04.1966 shipped to Intersport
20.03.1967 unknown warranty work at Intersport
personal car Jo Schlesser, Mr. Guaffon, 1974 Mr. Afchain
((It should be the first two vehicles together with 398
Intersport, so we assume that it might have been the vehicle from the Sport Auto Test 8/1966,
however, the vehicle had no LeMans Top Stripes))
i remember talking with Rzepkowicz in Automedon few years ago about 6S747 red car , (his car in 1971) and 6S636 green car been racing in France...
i found in 427racing magazine a list and i checked in registry the list of intersport cars officially imported:
397,398 ,465,467 WHITE and 797 BLUE and 1071 RED car Sold by INTERSPORT .
But few other car have been imported in France and not in this list :
6S948 white car is for sale in france now, 6S776 is hiden somewhere ...6S772 is a well known car and i saw it few times, 6S405 i inspected this car few years ago( 2017 )when it was for sale , it's still in france but came from switzerland .
I know one is in north of france hidden too but i can't find the serial number ...
(there is a blue one in autopassion 6 AVRIL 1987 ,554DB13 , it has the "intersport sticker" .i guess it's 797.)
when i ll have time i will check on AUTODIVA if i can find out infos , but ususaly they are talking about owner and registration number and not SFM ...
In 1982, I visited Claude Dubois' shop in Brussels to look at a white 1966 GT350.
6S944. However, we couldn't agree on the price (USD1500) difference.
I was later told #944 went to France.
Texas Swede
Quote from: chris NOS on December 10, 2021, 05:46:51 AM
i remember talking with Rzepkowicz in Automedon few years ago about 6S747 red car , (his car in 1971) and 6S636 green car been racing in France...
i found in 427racing magazine a list and i checked in registry the list of intersport cars officially imported:
397,398 ,465,467 WHITE and 797 BLUE and 1071 RED car Sold by INTERSPORT .
But few other car have been imported in France and not in this list :
6S948 white car is for sale in france now, 6S776 is hiden somewhere ...6S772 is a well known car and i saw it few times, 6S405 i inspected this car few years ago( 2017 )when it was for sale , it's still in france but came from switzerland .
I know one is in north of france hidden too but i can't find the serial number ...
(there is a blue one in autopassion 6 AVRIL 1987 ,554DB13 , it has the "intersport sticker" .i guess it's 797.)
when i ll have time i will check on AUTODIVA if i can find out infos , but ususaly they are talking about owner and registration number and not SFM ...
Thank you for your input,
do have any archiv pics or other datas for that "new to the Party" Vins ?
Sounds that you see some car personal and lived also in French, very cool.
i will go on with the next numbers and datas that i found
SFM 6 S 465
White, no LeMans Stripe
30.12.1965 shipped to FAV, SAAC Registry 2019
22.02.1967 Intersport unkown warranty work
14.05.1967 Targa Florio, Plate 314 UD 75, "R" Bumper, Driver Henri Chemin / Claude Lego, Accident, Car destroyed and burnt out
The Car is intersting that it seems to have not sell to a customer in 66,
on the Targa Florio Event it was raced (not the "R" Bumper, no rear Bumper) and have a big accident,
and even burnt out after the accident.
the Car is destroyed.
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New 11.12.2021 - Pic from Backside, no rear Bumper installed
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Any more Infos are welcome
One More Car,
i have no Photo for that but will post the Dates anyway, hope to find a pic later
SFM 6 S 467
white, no LeMans Stripe
30.12.1965 shipped to FAV
19.10.1966 sold to 1st. Owner unkown
30.04.1970 resold owner unkown but Plate 863 JA 91
11.07.1972 Josep Sabatier Plate 474 NB 16
04.11.1988 Jean Nichel Doucet, France
15.08.2001 Burgol Racing Switzerland and modiefied for Competition
i never saw the picture of the car on fire !!! where did you found this one ?
Quote from: chris NOS on December 11, 2021, 06:38:52 AM
i never saw the picture of the car on fire !!! where did you found this one ?
It was on the 'Targapedia' website. Look through the thumbnail photos.
There's about a dozen photos overall, although some are just of the car in the background
http://www.targapedia.com/album_targa_florio/1948_1968/1967/TARGA%20FLORIO%201967%20-%20SHELBY/slides/210%20Ford%20Mustang%20Shelby%20GT350%20a%20-%20Prove%20(1).html
Stephan, is this 6S465 ? My files say Targa '67, but I think the race number doesn't match ? Who are the people in the photo ?
Mike
Henri Chemin (in blue on the right) Claude Lego (from behind black T shirt)
On the left Orange T shirt ???
Hello all,
thank you for your replys, i try to answer all
"The Fire Pic" , i have it first from the Autodiva Forum, but it is also found on the SAAC Registry and also on the Targapedia Site, which i found today...
This is a wonderfull Site for Targa Florio Pics and Stuff and look also at the Bibliothek for tons of PDF
"The People Pic" the Guy on the right, with a blue jacket is Henri Chemin, i guess the other could be Claude Lego Edith: JoePhil describe it better
for the Racing Number ... on the "Race Paper (right term ???)" i found it listed as 210, but for some point it is written "?34" on the trunk
really nice to have all that positiv input, keep on going, we can make it ...
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Stephan, thanks for the answer to my post above #13 and joephil also !
In this photo posted by Stephan, I wonder who the lady is, and where is the film from her movie camera ?
Also wonder how the car came to be on fire, seems in the photos some time has passed since the crash, we don't see the pilot,
maybe the grass underneath is dry, or some leakage (we can see behind one of the stone road markers broken) from it that finally
ignited on hot parts, or electrical?
Mike
Quote from: Szabo on December 11, 2021, 04:54:36 PM
...
for the Racing Number ... on the "Race Paper (right term ???)" i found it listed as 210, ...
Correct ;) the number is 210
i would like to bring the next to numbers in the Game
SFM 6 S 797
BLUE, no LeMans Stripe
26.01.1966 shipped to FAV
02.1967 Champion Magazin Backround of Johnny Hallyday (Singer) Cover
third Hand Jean Pellacani
1973 / 1974 License Plate 4062 QX 77
(((04.1987 Autopassion Mag Nr. 6, 554 DB 13, inersport sticker ))) not Proofed at the moment !!!
at the Moment it is the only known Pic from the Blue Shelby,
i had luck to getting a inside Pic of the only 2 Site Report, a little more is showed so note
the favourite mod of more light in french
But saddly no License Plate or more Details...
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the last of the known and research numbers is the RED one
SFM 6 S 1071
23.02.1966 shipped to FAV
27.02.1967 1st unkown Owner
2004 or later repainted in white and transformed to FIA Race Car
at the Moment we have not found a time origin Pic where the car was Red
The Car is still in France and in pure Race Outfit,
thanks to JoePhil we have a wonderfull Articel from a Mustang&Shelby Magazin
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The next step is to post the Cars we can see on Magazines or other sources, but dont know the SFM Number...
Any thoughts are welcome.
SFM6S797
The car was in the Bourdon junkyard (in France) on Route Nationale 7, with a sister intact mechanically but not cosmetically. It would have arrived this scrapyard in 1977. There, Bernard Hachevin (who would have owned a lot of Shelby) is going to buy this 6S797, as well as the parts of the other Shelby. In the 90s Marc (the current owner who lives in Savoy 74) bought this Shelby. It would have the engine of the other Shelby that was scrapped (he said 6S397) which had a good mechanical condition but, I quote, "ax hits all over the place, probably money stuff back then" so a dead body ...
The original exhaust can be seen on the roof of the Shelby.
He waits until he has all the NOS parts to take care of it, but other priorities have made him work on something other than his Mustangs.
About the GT350 published on 04.1987 in Autopassion Mag Nr. 6, 554 DB 13, intersport sticker:
So it's not 6S797, but maybe 6S947. It belonged to a certain Roland Perret Ducray at the time of the article.
Then registered 930 LV 69 when Burgol bought it and restored it.
If it is 6S947, it is now for sale: https://www.fa-automobile.com/detail-vente.php?voiture-a-vendre=Ford-Mustang-/-Shelby&id=22&v=4212#
In april 1987 Autopassion , we can only guess the serial number , but you are probably right 947 can be .
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SFM6S947 is indeed an export ;)
1965 or 1966 ? GT350 tag, Stephan or joephil, do you know this one, can't make out the chassis number.
It cannot be a 1965 GT350 because, to my knowledge, only two street models have been sold new in Europe (the first one in Sweden and the second one in Switzerland).
It's not a 1966 GT350 either, because on the plate I think I read 0f0"3"m492551 (the "3" seems to have been omitted) so it's a 1970 GT350 convertible imported by Claude Dubois in Belgium. More precisely, it was bought by a French (traded for a Boss 302) in 1974, Patrice De Bruyne who sold it shortly after in the United States. It is now owned by Gary Boehnlein.
Quote from: honker on December 13, 2021, 05:39:09 PM
1965 or 1966 ? GT350 tag, Stephan or joephil, do you know this one, can't make out the chassis number.
Notice the chassis number on the new required tag. It suggests or indicates a 70 Shelby. Seen this on 69 and 70's imported by that dealer
In this example it appears to lack the second digit of the body type and reads (from what I see) 0F0M482xxx
Often the new tags will include the original (us) VIN somewhere
Claude Dubois did not become an importer of Shelby until 1967.
So he did not import a GT350 either in 1965 or 1966.
cf: https://www.classiccourses.fr/magazine/claude-dubois-gentleman-pilote-22/
Thanks all ! for the clarification and information regarding the chassis tag in reply # 43 above, wasn't sure what year it was.
did not mean to divert the thread ::)
Mike
Quote from: joephil on December 13, 2021, 07:32:06 AM
About the GT350 published on 04.1987 in Autopassion Mag Nr. 6, 554 DB 13, intersport sticker:
So it's not 6S797, but maybe 6S947. It belonged to a certain Roland Perret Ducray at the time of the article.
Then registered 930 LV 69 when Burgol bought it and restored it.
If it is 6S947, it is now for sale: https://www.fa-automobile.com/detail-vente.php?voiture-a-vendre=Ford-Mustang-/-Shelby&id=22&v=4212#
Fantastic to see the Car and read your research, another SFM Number for French Market, this is the second number
you bring new to the place.
Thanks a lot
Quote from: chris NOS on December 13, 2021, 07:42:44 AM
In april 1987 Autopassion , we can only guess the serial number , but you are probably right 947 can be .
Hey ChrisNOS,
wonderful to see this articel and the Blue Car, thank you very much.
Thanks for your input
Quote from: joephil on December 14, 2021, 09:18:17 AM
Claude Dubois did not become an importer of Shelby until 1967.
So he did not import a GT350 either in 1965 or 1966.
cf: https://www.classiccourses.fr/magazine/claude-dubois-gentleman-pilote-22/
I am not so sure, in this interview on Ponysite.de
Claude says that he have sold about 10 1966 GT350,
i think this was mostly after the Brussel Autoshow and was not as the Role
of an big importeur.
with 67 the "Big Buisness" begans, that it is true
http://www.ponysite.de/sheleur_dubois3.htm
But Claude DiBous and Brussels seems to be a good point to start a new Thread in future.
I want to share more of the Research which Shelbys we can identify
not with the Vin (at the Moment) but has other Details,
so it seems this cars has a SFM Number which was posted befor,
but which car exactly is shown, who knows ?
in Sport Auto 08 / 1966 a Shelby was tested, it is easly identify
about his french license plate
68 W 03
White, no Top LeMans Stripe, painted Magnum wheels
JoPhil explained me that he is thinking of 6 S 397, who was shipped to Intersport
at 19.04.1966
in the SAAC Registry this car had Top LeMans Stripe, but at 8/1966 only the Cars
6 S 397 and 6 S 398 (the Car has Top LeMans Stripe) was in French for Intersport
the other White Car without Top LeMans Stripe was 6 S 465 and 6 S 467 (which was
sold 19.10.1966 to his 1st unkown owner)
of course i showed the Pics at the beginning of the Thread, but i want to show more
Detais here...
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Details: BP Sticker with Flag to the left side, right side with Intersport Sticker next to GT350 Emblem
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An unkown Part in the Engine Bay for me, any thought was that should be ???
I dont think it is a AC, or a supercharger, on the sticker (with extrem enlarged on the PC) it is showed
a Ford Oval Emblem, next SHELBY, and a BP Sticker
i tryed to read it in the Articel, but i dont find a good answer i understand...
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Quote from: Szabo on December 14, 2021, 05:40:30 PM
An unkown Part in the Engine Bay for me, any thought was that should be ???
I dont think it is a AC, or a supercharger, on the sticker (with extrem enlarged on the PC) it is showed
a Ford Oval Emblem, next SHELBY, and a BP Sticker
Appears, to me , to be a power brake unit. Have seen similar ones added to cars after they got into Europe in the early-mid 60's
In the French Newspaper L´Auto-Journal 04.08.1966 the same car was showed
again and tested, unfortanally no licence Plate could be read ...
but the other details are the same ... in particular in the engine bay
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For the Cover we see a special thing...
first i thought this was "398" with his Top LeMans Stripe, but when you closely as it is possible,
you can see a "MFG 013" Plate ... so we have more question and less solution
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Quote from: J_Speegle on December 14, 2021, 06:37:31 PM
Quote from: Szabo on December 14, 2021, 05:40:30 PM
An unkown Part in the Engine Bay for me, any thought was that should be ???
I dont think it is a AC, or a supercharger, on the sticker (with extrem enlarged on the PC) it is showed
a Ford Oval Emblem, next SHELBY, and a BP Sticker
Appears, to me , to be a power brake unit. Have seen similar ones added to cars after they got into Europe in the early-mid 60's
I concur. It looks like a Girling power brake assist as fitted to Sunbeam Tigers.
I found a video of a 1966 GT350 at Le Mans in 1966. It doesn't have the stripes and arrived before June 1966. I don't know its SFM.
https://www.ina.fr/ina-eclaire-actu/video/rxf03005382/le-mans-le-tour-du-circuit-avec-guy-ligier?fbclid=IwAR1XhTGdmmkqdvl_ENjUp8XTjEGozvu3hytGd5_um_N8cjz50t5XJuI0DBU
It's an SFM6S number higher than 252 . . . .
In his book "a life on 4 wheels" Ed. du Palmier 2004, p.123 Claude Dubois writes that he sold seven GT350s in 1966 as a car dealer (not 10 as in his inteview on Ponysite)
To be exact..at the beginning of the interview I did with Claude Dubois he said:
"I sold 9 at the 1966 Bruxelles Show". Helps to know that this was January 66. By April they weren't delivered yet. In his book above he says, that only 7 (of 9 or 10) were delivered in 1966. So the numbers may not contradict, if the buyers let go. In the end it is just an interview and a book with memories. In his VIN files, no 66 are listed, only 67-71.
In his book also mentions his own green Shelby G.T.350 with which he went to Le Mans 66. Might be there are some pics from 1966 Le Mans testing at least out there to research.
Hello Szabo,
I have the 6S398 since eleven years, I bought this car to Jacques Guerin.
Howard Pardee has the last informations.
This car is in many French books, she was used for Intersport to Shelby Homologation in France.
The most particular specificity is the back of the seat driver signed by Carroll Shelby himself in 1992, when he came in Le Mans.
Pleasure to give you more informations.
Quote from: joephil on December 06, 2021, 07:00:05 AM
Right Chris, ;) in the "intersport" commercials 6S398 is used.
In Jean-Pierre Versini's French magazine: Mustang & Shelby magazine N ° 10 from April-May-June 2016 six pages are devoted to 6S398 who is still in France :)
Hi joephil,
Are you certain this article shows the '66 GT350 with the license plate 'TEN 10" as 6s398 ?
Photos of that car show it is a carryover (no reverse lights)
That should have a VIN sequence number ending on or before 6s252
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/204-230222205132.jpeg)
this picture is not showing 6S398 .
The white 66 without Le Mans stripes above has the rectangular Autolite air cleaner decal which means it's a pretty
early car.
Texas Swede
As Chris Nos said it is not 6S398 but a photo taken during the 1966 Tulip rally
John Kennerly GB Driver and Digby Martland GB Navigator.
They finished in 4th place in the group3 ;)
;)
https://www.tulpenrallyehistory.com/editie1966?lang=en
more pics ;)
https://www.motorsportimages.com/photos/?event_id=265211&p=3
I think we are all saying the same thing with different words
The GT350 in the 'Tulip Rally' April 25-28th 1966, as #2, is NOT 6s398
- I mentioned previously, it appears to be a carryover VIN (no reverse lights).
- That would be between 6s001 and 6s252
My confusion was with 'joehpil's statement
"In Jean-Pierre Versini's French magazine: Mustang & Shelby magazine N ° 10 from April-May-June 2016 six pages are devoted to 6S398 who is still in France"
I misread the magazine issue 'N ° 10' as the license plate 'TEN 10".
My apologies.
Quote from: joephil on December 15, 2021, 09:47:51 AM
I found a video of a 1966 GT350 at Le Mans in 1966. It doesn't have the stripes and arrived before June 1966. I don't know its SFM.
https://www.ina.fr/ina-eclaire-actu/video/rxf03005382/le-mans-le-tour-du-circuit-avec-guy-ligier?fbclid=IwAR1XhTGdmmkqdvl_ENjUp8XTjEGozvu3hytGd5_um_N8cjz50t5XJuI0DBU
All, I asked my Canadian French translator here at work to provide a brief summary of audio.
here's what he sent:
"The ford issue is resolved. (XGT-2 collision during practice with P1029, #63 shown in video beginning ??)
The Shelby teams cars will be on the starting grid tomorrow.
The accident during practice caused serious damage but the pilot is ok. A good advised is to be safe on the road of la Sarthe.
The discussion in the car is with Guy Ligier at the wheel evoking the particularities of the Le Mans circuit.
how to race on this track. What gears to be in at different place on the track, speeds they are going, when to brake before the apex and where to be on the track, staying in the middle of the track where the bump is because the car will lift off."
regards,
jim p
Pics of P/1029 destroyed during pratice on 6/16/1966
https://lemans.slot-racing.fr/le-mans-1966/ford-gt40-63-slotit.html
"The car is destroyed and will not start. The wreckage will be repatriated to FVA but the car will never be rebuilt, although there are several GT40s today claiming chassis number 1029."