https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-shelby-mustang-gt500-9/
Looks like the seller thought BaT was going to be a 'no brainer' and that big $$ was going to flow in. Saying you are "new to this" doesn't get you off the hook for providing pertinent information about a car that is expected to sell in the six figure range. He would have been smart to hire someone like Vern Estes to coordinate the auction for him.
For the record:
1967 Shelby Mustang GT500 4-Speed
This 1967 Shelby Mustang GT500 fastback was delivered new to Jeff Allen Motors of Denville, New Jersey, and is one of 2,048 fastback examples produced for the model year. The car is finished in Lime Gold over a black interior, and power comes from a replacement 427ci side-oiler V8 with twin four-barrel carburetors mated to a four-speed manual transmission. Additional equipment includes white rocker and center stripes, 10-spoke aluminum wheels, front disc brakes, power steering, the Extra Cooling Package, a tachometer, and a push-button AM radio. The seller acquired the car partially refurbished in 2016, and the remaining work commissioned by the seller consists of installing the engine, reassembling the car, and replacing the clutch, shifter, and tires. This Shelby GT500 is offered with a deluxe Marti Report, an award, and a New Jersey title in the seller's name.
This Shelby Fastback was reportedly repainted in its factory shade of Lime Gold with white center and rocker stripes as part of a refurbishment completed in 2017. Chrome trim adorns the rear bumper and front facia, and additional features include a vented fiberglass hood and nose extension, a fiberglass trunk lid, horizontal sequential taillights, functional brake ducts in the rear quarter panels, and a dual-outlet exhaust. The seller notes evidence of corrosion beneath the paint on the passenger-side quarter panel.
The 15″ 10-spoke aluminum wheels were optioned from the factory and wear Goodyear Speedway white-letter tires. The power-assisted braking system features discs up front and drums out back, and power steering was fitted from the factory.
The cabin is trimmed in black vinyl with matching carpets along with brushed aluminum accents on the dash and door panels. A Shelby-Specific roll bar is fitted, and additional equipment includes the Courtesy Light Group, three-point front seatbelts, a fold-down rear seat, and a push-button AM radio. The seller notes that the parking brake light remains illuminated when the brake is not applied.
The wood-rimmed steering wheel is fitted with a Shelby horn button and fronts a 140-mph speedometer and a tachometer with a 6k-rpm redline. Stewart Warner gauges indicating oil pressure and amperage are mounted beneath the radio. The five-digit odometer shows 75k miles, approximately 100 of which have been added by the seller. Total mileage is unknown.
The replacement 427ci side-oiler V8 was rebuilt under prior ownership and installed as part of the refurbishment completed in 2017. Fueling is provided by two four-barrel carburetors, and additional equipment includes a Cobra air cleaner, finned valve covers, and the optional Extra Cooling Package. The seller states that the starter was replaced in 2017 and the carburetor was adjusted in 2020.
Power is sent to the rear wheels via a four-speed manual transmission. Additional underside images can be referenced in the image gallery.
The Deluxe Marti report shows initial delivery to Jeff Allen Motors of Denville, New Jersey, and lists equipment and production statistics.
The New Jersey title lists a "Not The Actual Mileage" brand.
BaT Essentials
Lot #63005
Seller: Tmedia
Location: Wyckoff, New Jersey 07481
Chassis: 67400F7A02882
75k Miles Shown, TMU
427ci Side-Oiler V8
Twin Four-Barrel Carburetors
Four-Speed Manual Transmission
Lime Gold Paint
Black Interior
White Rocker & Center Stripes
10-Spoke Aluminum Wheels
Front Disc Brakes
Power Steering
Extra Cooling Package
Fold-Down Rear Seat
Tachometer
Push-Button AM Radio
Deluxe Marti Report
Private Party Or Dealer: Private Party
Model Pages: Shelby Mustang GT350 & GT500, Ford Mustang 1967-1968
Category: American
Current bid $125,000 ends in 5 Days.
I totally agree. The seller is way over his head and definitely seems to have the Jekyll & Hyde persona. And he seems to get some sympathy from users. Should have hired someone knowledgeable with Shelbys to sell the car for him. I see this ending in RNM. oldcanuck and shelbymann70 tried to help him ... he is too stubborn for his own good.
Personally I think BAT is doing a disservice to its customers
I agree there is an awful lot of people on there trying to look important that have no interest in ever buying the car. Who gives AF what your opinion of the color is or what dealer it was shipped to?
Usual suspects with nothing but time on their hands and no intention of purchase. Don't like the BAT format.
Jon
PS. I will say the goofiest shifter bezel mash up I have ever seen.
I asked for pics of the aprons above the shock towers, where they typically rust at the overlap.
He added pictures of the shocks from under the car.
I didn't have the energy to re-ask, and re-explain.
Quote from: Shelby4Life on January 05, 2022, 10:16:58 PM
I asked for pics of the aprons above the shock towers, where they typically rust at the overlap.
He added pictures of the shocks from under the car.
I didn't have the energy to re-ask, and re-explain.
If you look at one pic you can see what appears to be a welded patch in one area .look at pic 85 and you can see what appears to be a patch Yeah, I chimed in to help Bob and he attacked me like he did Bob. At least I have gotten some encouraging messages and emails from fellow Batters that we did nothing wrong. Bob is locked out from commenting on this auction. I am disappointed that BaT would do that. I think he should post verification that at least the DS apron stamp is there. I think Dave Mathews should know he tried using a quote vaguely like it was confirmation. Since he left the VIN on the Marti I have it and it is in the pic provided here. . What irritates me the most are the suck azzes that snuggle up to the seller when others ask important questions the seller appears not to like and chime in against the askers. I'm no expert on 67s but know enough about other aspects of these 67s to ask pertinent questions if need be. Gary
Quote from: 1175 on January 05, 2022, 08:52:54 PM
Usual suspects with nothing but time on their hands and no intention of purchase. Don't like the BAT format.
Jon
PS. I will say the goofiest shifter bezel mash up I have ever seen.
Well Jon, some of the usual suspects are helping others that have asked for help to determine if they want to bid on a particular car. In this case Old Canuck had a west coast collector who asked Bob a lot of question and some he could answer by what was on auction others he asked the seller. Maybe BaT isn't for you then. Gary
Quote from: 1175 on January 05, 2022, 08:52:54 PM
Usual suspects with nothing but time on their hands and no intention of purchase. Don’t like the BAT format.
Jon
PS. I will say the goofiest shifter bezel mash up I have ever seen.
1. You have no idea who or who does not have the intention of purchasing. Just as you have no idea who is acting on behalf of actual purchasers.
2. As far as BaT format - you don't like it, but many of us do. The seller chose to post his car on the site, so why should he complain about the format? He claimed that he didn't know what BaT was all about. Perhaps he should have pulled the listing.
SO, if I do NOT ask any questionS, I am considered a serious buyer?
That makes as much sense as.....well this country has no sense anymore....
I think the reasonable answer is that advertising in any form is just to find interested purchasers and that if you are interested in buying a car YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IN PERSON.
SAME AS IT EVER WAS!
A car is worth what you can sell it for on the day that you sell it.
Why argue here over this? Serious buyers will go look at it and make an offer?
Like someone is going to slide their card and it is deposited out of a vending machine? Nope. It doesn't happen that way.
::)
Quote from: gumby74 on January 06, 2022, 09:30:27 AM
Quote from: 1175 on January 05, 2022, 08:52:54 PM
Usual suspects with nothing but time on their hands and no intention of purchase. Don't like the BAT format.
Jon
PS. I will say the goofiest shifter bezel mash up I have ever seen.
1. You have no idea who or who does not have the intention of purchasing. Just as you have no idea who is acting on behalf of actual purchasers.
2. As far as BaT format - you don't like it, but many of us do. The seller chose to post his car on the site, so why should he complain about the format? He claimed that he didn't know what BaT was all about. Perhaps he should have pulled the listing.
You are exactly right..... BTW welcome to the Forum !
Bottom line is....."You cant help people, that wont help themselves." If you are not going to verify anything, we should take you at your word ? Sorry Jerry.... it doesn't work that way anymore.
Go back and look at the whole list on comments...... this seller wants you to believe his car is woth more because of an engine swap, he wants you to beleive that Lime Gold is a much more rare and desirable color than Nightmist Blue.... etc, etc, etc. This is a guy who couldn't even validate his own steering wheel. If this car was so much more desirable than the other one.... why not sell it ?
Thanks for the welcome, @oldcanuck! I agree with your points 100%.
To @shelbydoug: This is a forum, last I checked. We are having an open discussion. Seems fitting.
Quote from: gumby74 on January 06, 2022, 11:56:00 AM
Thanks for the welcome, @oldcanuck! I agree with your points 100%.
To @shelbydoug: This is a forum, last I checked. We are having an open discussion. Seems fitting.
OK. No one is stopping you.
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 06, 2022, 11:57:20 AM
Quote from: gumby74 on January 06, 2022, 11:56:00 AM
Thanks for the welcome, @oldcanuck! I agree with your points 100%.
To @shelbydoug: This is a forum, last I checked. We are having an open discussion. Seems fitting.
OK. No one is stopping you.
I'd venture some would want some simple questions answered at least before buying a plane ticket and flying across the country to look at a car. I agree 100 percent it is imperative to look at a car in person or have someone you trust do it but what is the point of someone flying from Calif to Pa and the guy won't reveal the Ford number stamps to you? Or you get there and find out the 427 in it really isn't a 427 and you had plans for that engine or just wanted to leave it in there? I'd like to think you would do due diligence beforehand before flying a few thousand miles to look at a car. Gary
Quote from: gumby74 on January 06, 2022, 09:30:27 AM
Quote from: 1175 on January 05, 2022, 08:52:54 PM
Usual suspects with nothing but time on their hands and no intention of purchase. Don't like the BAT format.
Jon
PS. I will say the goofiest shifter bezel mash up I have ever seen.
1. You have no idea who or who does not have the intention of purchasing. Just as you have no idea who is acting on behalf of actual purchasers.
2. As far as BaT format - you don't like it, but many of us do. The seller chose to post his car on the site, so why should he complain about the format? He claimed that he didn't know what BaT was all about. Perhaps he should have pulled the listing.
Welcome to the forum. Gary
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 06, 2022, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 06, 2022, 11:57:20 AM
Quote from: gumby74 on January 06, 2022, 11:56:00 AM
Thanks for the welcome, @oldcanuck! I agree with your points 100%.
To @shelbydoug: This is a forum, last I checked. We are having an open discussion. Seems fitting.
OK. No one is stopping you.
I'd venture some would want some simple questions answered at least before buying a plane ticket and flying across the country to look at a car. I agree 100 percent it is imperative to look at a car in person or have someone you trust do it but what is the point of someone flying from Calif to Pa and the guy won't reveal the Ford number stamps to you? Or you get there and find out the 427 in it really isn't a 427 and you had plans for that engine or just wanted to leave it in there? I'd like to think you would do due diligence beforehand before flying a few thousand miles to look at a car. Gary
Yes. That would be a good intelligent plan.
Avoidance of answering specific questions by the seller to me would definitely send up caution flags and probably dismiss my interest in the car.
This one isn't the last one left for sale on the planet. Although I would not expect a car to be 100% correct. Yes there are a few pet peeves that I have that can disqualify it or some things that bug me but I could possibly overlook?
Lime Green. Lemans stripes being called original. Caution Fan sticker that shouldn't be there. Reproduction 10 spokes that never came on the car.
Has anyone here actually gone to look at it or had someone close look at it? Just curious on that.
I will agree, buying these cars has become more difficult and complicated but travel is part of it and so is unfortunately a wild goose chase.
The only thing is that you really don't know what you can buy the car for until it is face to face, and you discuss what you see the cars faults as and what you won't pay for? It's called, making a deal.
Is he going to let you turn and walk away?
@shelbymann70 Early in the auction, I commented that the he left the fourth vin on the Marti exposed, on the door tag.
Nothing was done, and nobody responded.
Bob, you said a mouth full when you said, the bottom line is he is trying to make his car seem with more than it actually is.
I am with you, Realsville, that is where I am from. -Rush
Every person here loves a high priced car, except when they go to buy one. But when its time to sell....Whatch out!
I have heard many times, "Gee there is one on ebay for this amount, mine should be worth more!" Mind you, it has not sold, it is the stupid BIN price that means nothing. That is one reason the hobby is suffering. "WOW, nice car! What's it worth?"
My own 2 cents as they say here., I think that car was bid up. There! I said it! -Mark L.
I am old school, Realsville, USA, if these cars were only 3500, I would like them as much as if the price was 35000. The day a 67 Shelby is routinely, I said routinely selling for 350,000K, that will be the day the fun in ownership has died. What a turn off!
Quote from: Shelby4Life on January 06, 2022, 01:55:29 PM
@shelbymann70 Early in the auction, I commented that the he left the fourth vin on the Marti exposed, on the door tag.
Nothing was done, and nobody responded.
That image was revised and that portion of the tag obscured and it was mentioned in one or more of the comments.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on January 06, 2022, 02:22:14 PM
Bob, you said a mouth full when you said, the bottom line is he is trying to make his car seem with more than it actually is.
I am with you, Realsville, that is where I am from. -Rush
Every person here loves a high priced car, except when they go to buy one. But when its time to sell....Whatch out!
I have heard many times, "Gee there is one on ebay for this amount, mine should be worth more!" Mind you, it has not sold, it is the stupid BIN price that means nothing. That is one reason the hobby is suffering. "WOW, nice car! What's it worth?"
My own 2 cents as they say here., I think that car was bid up. There! I said it! -Mark L.
I am old school, Realsville, USA, if these cars were only 3500, I would like them as much as if the price was 35000. The day a 67 Shelby is routinely, I said routinely selling for 350,000K, that will be the day the fun in ownership has died. What a turn off!
My pet peeve? A seller who knows what his car is WORTH but knows
nothing about it or won't answer questions. Jerry's entourage now is laughable. If BaT should do any censoring it should be the idiots that post quips or little digs at others with zero discussion or knowledge about the car. That 67bullitt who claims to know rivets said the rivets are special by posting a company in Quebec? I'll trust the experts here on rivets than some guy who references a car in his name that doesn't exist. If the car doesn't meet it's reserve it will be blamed on the knowledgeable posters who needed more info. I remember when my friend Vinny sold his 427 GT500 for what I thought was on the cheap for a gorgeous car. His answer? It had a non original 427 in it and not a correct 428 8V .
Quote from: Shelby4Life on January 06, 2022, 01:55:29 PM
@shelbymann70 Early in the auction, I commented that the he left the fourth vin on the Marti exposed, on the door tag.
Nothing was done, and nobody responded.
So did I and I dont think he had a clue as to what we were referring to..... a common problem on several fronts of this auction.
Fran ..... I agree... he had a friend 'hit it' and now its stuck there. Already over and above what it is really worth.
Quote from: oldcanuck on January 06, 2022, 03:11:03 PM
Quote from: Shelby4Life on January 06, 2022, 01:55:29 PM
@shelbymann70 Early in the auction, I commented that the he left the fourth vin on the Marti exposed, on the door tag.
Nothing was done, and nobody responded.
So did I and I dont think he had a clue as to what we were referring to..... a common problem on several fronts of this auction.
Fran ..... I agree... he had a friend 'hit it' and now its stuck there. Already over and above what it is really worth.
That blue one not long ago with an auto was RNM at 139K. I hated the photography of the car. People commend that stuff. I want bright clear pics of a car-not soft dark ones. I went out of my zone and commented my dislike of his pics for prospective buyers.
Jan 7 at 12:29 PM
Reserve not met on 1/7/22 at $145,000
Tmedia (The Seller)
Thanks to all the nice people who made positive comments and were very supportive. To the negative folks I'm also quite happy it didn't meet the reserve as I now get to keep my beautiful car, have some good information and a baseline # if or when I ever try to sell it PRIVATELY. Have a great life everyone...
His call. I personally think he should have taken $145k. Too many open questions and things that were added/changed.
FYI, there was another 67 GT500 with a 427 SO on BAT. It sold for $101k in July 2020. @oldcanuck posted a link to it in one of his comments on the auction:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-shelby-mustang-gt500-427ci-side-oiler-4-speed/
Cheers!
Quote from: gumby74 on January 07, 2022, 04:34:34 PM
His call. I personally think he should have taken $145k. Too many open questions and things that were added/changed.
FYI, there was another 67 GT500 with a 427 SO on BAT. It sold for $101k in July 2020. @oldcanuck posted a link to it in one of his comments on the auction:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-shelby-mustang-gt500-427ci-side-oiler-4-speed/
Cheers!
That is if the 145K was a real bidder and not a shill. ;)
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 07, 2022, 04:53:15 PM
That is if the 145K was a real bidder and not a shill. ;)
Doesn't look like it (West Coast dealer), but who knows. The seller definitely had that Jekyll & Hyde personality.
Quote from: gumby74 on January 07, 2022, 05:36:03 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on January 07, 2022, 04:53:15 PM
That is if the 145K was a real bidder and not a shill. ;)
Doesn't look like it (West Coast dealer), but who knows. The seller definitely had that Jekyll & Hyde personality.
Another member here asked me to jump in and ask to get prior questions answered. He never answer them. The only comment I made in regards to anything on the car was the engine builder was that he is a highly respected FE engine builder who is right by me here in Mi. The seller would not release any pics of the engine other than saying it was a 427. At the end of the auction the seller said he hoped there were no hard feelings to me in a "tag". I didn't know there was anything for me to have hard feelings. I told him absolutely not and GLWTA. I'm learning on 67s. What tires me are the suck azzes who know squat, cannot afford one and their comments are little quips or digs at others(1967bullitt comes to mind in that auction). I want facts on a car. I don't need to see friends of mine asking important questions get attacked for asking them-especially when they are doing it on behalf of a potential buyer who is a collector. All I know is if I buy a 67 in the future if it has a 427 in it I'd price it as such-cheaper than a 428 with the correct intake and carbs.
I also wonder if any of the bidders contacted Dave Mathews on the fender apron stamps or any history on them or had an expert see the car in person.
He will burn that thing on the web
https://www.ebay.com/itm/234369748323?hash=item3691868d63:g:IGgAAOSwPD9h2rOV
I would like you guys to think about this.
This person obviously didn't know as much or a lot about the car, especially when compared to folks on here, I think we all agree on that. That being obvious, why keep pounding the guy for answers that he doesn't have or won't give.
I watched this auction and I saw legitimate, intelligent questions from you and I saw an owner that didn't know and was tired of being what he perceived as "picked on" so he got defensive.
IMO, when you see this you have one of three options. Stop commenting, get on a plane or hire a third party close to the car to go inspect it. If you are serious that is what you do, 2) Stop commenting, don't bid and find another car or 3) Keeping asking and picking and look like a ass.
Bob, you stated you had a serious bidder, that being the case he needed to hire you or someone close to the car to go see it in person to answer the questions. I understand not wanting to spend the cash but if he is serious that is what you do. I think most of us have driven or flown crazy places to look at cars. To keep hammering the guy and wanting answers that the guy wasn't going to provide is not productive and only looks bad on you in the end.
Agreed that in most cases, even if the info. on a car is forthcoming, you need to view it in person-or at the very least by proxy. However, I am sick and god damn tired of sellers/brokers listing cars in shitty/misleading ads that provide no relevant/critical info. And then, when questioned by a knowledgeable buyer, they act insulted or put out. Unbelievable. It's called due diligence-a concept derived from the old "buyer beware" adage. Why would we criticize/blame an aggressive buyer when it's really all about a seller not doing his job from the start.
Quote from: Greg on January 09, 2022, 09:23:23 AM
I would like you guys to think about this.
This person obviously didn't know as much or a lot about the car, especially when compared to folks on here, I think we all agree on that. That being obvious, why keep pounding the guy for answers that he doesn't have or won't give.
I watched this auction and I saw legitimate, intelligent questions from you and I saw an owner that didn't know and was tired of being what he perceived as "picked on" so he got defensive.
IMO, when you see this you have one of three options. Stop commenting, get on a plane or hire a third party close to the car to go inspect it. If you are serious that is what you do, 2) Stop commenting, don't bid and find another car or 3) Keeping asking and picking and look like a ass.
Bob, you stated you had a serious bidder, that being the case he needed to hire you or someone close to the car to go see it in person to answer the questions. I understand not wanting to spend the cash but if he is serious that is what you do. I think most of us have driven or flown crazy places to look at cars. To keep hammering the guy and wanting answers that the guy wasn't going to provide is not productive and only looks bad on you in the end.
one poster posted the history of BaT. do you know it? With that said many on BaT had been there since it started. It was a discussion about cars for sale. Second if you think for any reason this guy was being badgered go look at the red on red 1970 LS6 Chevelle that was on Bat https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-chevrolet-chevelle-ss-61/ . I follow many marques but as a long time Shelby owner I love other marques and the Shelby guys on this auction are tame from what I see on many brand X cars out there on BaT. Like I said and continue to say is I'm tired of owners who know the "value" of their cars but don't know the important facts and that should go hand in hand. Am I wrong? Gary
So, here is my question, if I was to sell a car I own, what if I simply do not know an answer to a question? I think my reply would be I recommend a PPI?
For example, my car is from Texas, it has been painted, I do not know what is under the paint. All I got is what the previous owner told me, and I would not dragging that person into it.
Quote from: 67 GT350 on January 09, 2022, 12:04:20 PM
So, here is my question, if I was to sell a car I own, what if I simply do not know an answer to a question? I think my reply would be I recommend a PPI?
For example, my car is from Texas, it has been painted, I do not know what is under the paint. All I got is what the previous owner told me, and I would not dragging that person into it.
Come on what are you trying to say? You can say that about any car that doesn't have original paint. You can use a paint meter gauge. You can use a refrigerator magnet over known rust spots. When was the car painted? I trust cars painted many years ago as opposed to a freshly painted car for obvious reasons. The car in question was there any problem questions as pertaining to paint? I don't recall there being any. The 2 main things some wanted to know are numbers off the block. pics of the block. A pic of the VIN under the Shelby tag or the stamped number on the other apron(I think that is what Bob asked for). All met with resistance. I am also tired of the special rivets crap as a reason not to show the vin under the tag or at least get it on file with SAAC as the VIN is out there now with thousands of Bat Watchers seeing it. The Ford VIN was out there for days and is known to all who cared to save a copy of the Marti. Be honest and answer all the question you can. I have yet to see a car go south on "whats under the paint" question. Gary
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 09, 2022, 11:16:07 AM
Quote from: Greg on January 09, 2022, 09:23:23 AM
I would like you guys to think about this.
This person obviously didn't know as much or a lot about the car, especially when compared to folks on here, I think we all agree on that. That being obvious, why keep pounding the guy for answers that he doesn't have or won't give.
I watched this auction and I saw legitimate, intelligent questions from you and I saw an owner that didn't know and was tired of being what he perceived as "picked on" so he got defensive.
IMO, when you see this you have one of three options. Stop commenting, get on a plane or hire a third party close to the car to go inspect it. If you are serious that is what you do, 2) Stop commenting, don't bid and find another car or 3) Keeping asking and picking and look like a ass.
Bob, you stated you had a serious bidder, that being the case he needed to hire you or someone close to the car to go see it in person to answer the questions. I understand not wanting to spend the cash but if he is serious that is what you do. I think most of us have driven or flown crazy places to look at cars. To keep hammering the guy and wanting answers that the guy wasn't going to provide is not productive and only looks bad on you in the end.
one poster posted the history of BaT. do you know it? With that said many on BaT had been there since it started. It was a discussion about cars for sale. Second if you think for any reason this guy was being badgered go look at the red on red 1970 LS6 Chevelle that was on Bat https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-chevrolet-chevelle-ss-61/ . I follow many marques but as a long time Shelby owner I love other marques and the Shelby guys on this auction are tame from what I see on many brand X cars out there on BaT. Like I said and continue to say is I'm tired of owners who know the "value" of their cars but don't know the important facts and that should go hand in hand. Am I wrong? Gary
Gary, I understand and can appreciate where you are coming from but I learned a long time ago not everyone has the passion we, as Shelby enthusiasts have for these cars. The same can probably be said for many other brands but I don't follow them :-).
Even though you are tired of some owners not knowing or willing to know the in's and out of their cars it doesn't make it right to keep drilling for information that they obviously aren't willing to provide. Let the auction run and either go see the car or let it go by.
What I always try to remember is it is their car, they own it and can do what they want with it. If they wanted educated about their car they would have done it long before the auction. I'm not criticizing anyones feelings but continuing to beat a dead horse owner only looks bad on the beater and the horse gets the sympathy :-).
So are you saying we should know every nut and bolt about our cars? Impossible. A buyer, has to right to ask any questions they feel they need to ask, a seller has the option to not know an answer to a question, or be well versed about their car. Maybe they are hiding something, (get a PPI then), maybe they just do not know, (get a PPI then). There is always someone somewhere that knows more about these cars than perhaps the owner of the car. I was looking to buy a "leftover" (I prefer to call them a "leftover" over a "carryover")...one came up for sale, in this case I knew the car better than the guy selling it, history wise, when I asked a simple question to verify his honesty, he got mad and refused to answer anymore questions, was he hiding something? Or did he simply not know? He sure did get mad though. This is a case where you have to think that you are better off loosing the chance to buy it. Something better will come and it did.
Back in the 80's you bought a car fixed it, drove the hell out of it, fixed it, drove it more, did reasonable work on it, drove it more. If it needed a starter you got one and installed it, put a clutch in it, bought tires, stored it, and drove it from spring to fall! Loved it, had fun, and made fun memories. Today, if you dont know the thickness of paint, that you did not paint, your no good, if you do not know the brand of rings in the engine, your no good, if you dont know what year it was restored, your no good. Some things you just do not know.
My friend who has several Shelbys, always told me, "here is the car, you can come and look at it and judge it for yourself, I do not need to tell anyone what I got." Not one is registered with SAAC, I am starting not to wonder why.
What are your wives going to have to put up with when they have to sell your cars when you are gone? At that point, who gives a flying flip? Thanks to all who have taken the fun out of ownership, because some might not know the company that made the carpet in their car.
If some want to or have nothing better to do than know everything about their car, that's beautiful! That is not most people. Even on here. This is a "JUST SAYIN"
Quote from: 67 GT350 on January 09, 2022, 08:12:19 PM
So are you saying we should know every nut and bolt about our cars? Impossible. A buyer, has to right to ask any questions they feel they need to ask, a seller has the option to not know an answer to a question, or be well versed about their car. Maybe they are hiding something, (get a PPI then), maybe they just do not know, (get a PPI then). There is always someone somewhere that knows more about these cars than perhaps the owner of the car. I was looking to buy a "leftover" (I prefer to call them a "leftover" over a "carryover")...one came up for sale, in this case I knew the car better than the guy selling it, history wise, when I asked a simple question to verify his honesty, he got mad and refused to answer anymore questions, was he hiding something? Or did he simply not know? He sure did get mad though. This is a case where you have to think that you are better off loosing the chance to buy it. Something better will come and it did.
Back in the 80's you bought a car fixed it, drove the hell out of it, fixed it, drove it more, did reasonable work on it, drove it more. If it needed a starter you got one and installed it, put a clutch in it, bought tires, stored it, and drove it from spring to fall! Loved it, had fun, and made fun memories. Today, if you dont know the thickness of paint, that you did not paint, your no good, if you do not know the brand of rings in the engine, your no good, if you dont know what year it was restored, your no good. Some things you just do not know.
My friend who has several Shelbys, always told me, "here is the car, you can come and look at it and judge it for yourself, I do not need to tell anyone what I got." Not one is registered with SAAC, I am starting not to wonder why.
What are your wives going to have to put up with when they have to sell your cars when you are gone? At that point, who gives a flying flip? Thanks to all who have taken the fun out of ownership, because some might not know the company that made the carpet in their car.
If some want to or have nothing better to do than know everything about their car, that's beautiful! That is not most people. Even on here. This is a "JUST SAYIN"
Anyone who knows me on BaT is I generally never ask questions on cars. I will comment when BS is said. I'll commend a car that is really solid or restored right. I'm known for that. Asking about nuts and bolts is surely vastly different than asking if the Ford stamped VIN is on the car or providing info on an engine that could make it a 15K engine or a 3K engine. I think those questions are pretty fair. I saw a 69 428 CJ Mach1 go for 147K on BaT. I contacted the seller PRIVATELY to ask why the floors on the car were 65-8s while the freshly blasted photos of the car-poor pics like 4 were scanned together- showed rust free floors and body shell. I got the typical "all work was done before I bought it". To be fair the seller was probably given the pics and never noticed that MAJOR discrepancy. But to me the pics of the rust free shell were NOT of the car on auction in my opinion. Did I ever bring it up during the auction? Nope. But if the seller said those were original floors I would have corrected him. My take is I'm not the BaT police. I answer questions privately from those who have gotten ahold of me. I don't call out flaws unless false statements are made. Last thing I want to do is affect an auction sale so I stay out. If numbers look good to me on the block I say so. If there is a discussion on numbers being too perfect I'll give my opinion(68 302s seem perfect, 351s and 428s hardly due to vertical stamping of the block.). The 69 GT350 that didn't sell yesterday there were 47 things I found wrong from the pics alone(some just detailing). Did I mention any of them? None but the guys I knew bidding on the car(trouble when 2 of my friends are both bidding on a car) never worried about those things as they wanted a driver and knew most were easy inexpensive fixes other than the trans and they preferred a 4 speed so it didn't matter.