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Title: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: Jbarela on February 12, 2022, 12:57:50 PM
Not mine but saw it on my FB page. $7000 Seller is Robin Miller
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: Bob Gaines on February 12, 2022, 03:10:26 PM
Not mine but saw it on my FB page. $7000 Seller is Robin Miller
Cool item and was on my dream wish list back in the day.  I hate the lever that typically has to be mounted on the tunnel so that the driver can engage or disengage Hone unit. Modern high torque 5 speed and 6 speed transmissions can be retrofitted in a similar fashion to the Hone but with the advantage of being made all but invisible from the interior. Also typically less money and more durable. 
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: J_Speegle on February 12, 2022, 05:04:01 PM
Still has that cool day 2 factor

Good luck with finding a new home for it
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: shelbydoug on February 12, 2022, 05:50:16 PM
In a quick Google search, a bunch come up for sale between $1500 and $2600.

Robin Miller the auto journalist passed August of '21.

Is there something special about this particular unit that makes it more valuable?

I knew of two installed in Shelbys. One a 68 GT350 and one a 69 GT350.
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on February 12, 2022, 08:03:30 PM
In a quick Google search, a bunch come up for sale between $1500 and $2600.

Robin Miller the auto journalist passed August of '21.

Is there something special about this particular unit that makes it more valuable?

I knew of two installed in Shelbys. One a 68 GT350 and one a 69 GT350.
Yes way too much money. The ad may have "original Shelby" proviso to get the value up. Or just a guy fishing for a sucker.
Weren't these available through Shelby Parts at one time???
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: J_Speegle on February 12, 2022, 10:01:47 PM
Weren't these available through Shelby Parts at one time???


(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/16/6-120222220010-169451034.jpeg)

(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/16/6-120222220010-169462310.jpeg)
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: Krelboyne on February 12, 2022, 10:05:33 PM
Pretty sure that it is a different Robin Miller.  ;)
'Rocket" Robin Miller is from B.C. Canada. He sought out and collected all of the 'Cougar' cast parts from the Shelby Catalog.
https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/17479/31579/shelby-dealer-ordering-packet-/-how-to-sharpen-your-cats-claws-nos-1967-mercury-cougar.html (https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/17479/31579/shelby-dealer-ordering-packet-/-how-to-sharpen-your-cats-claws-nos-1967-mercury-cougar.html)

This Robin Miller even built a Cougar with the parts. Called it the G-Force Cougar.
https://classiccougarcommunity.com/articles/g-force-cougar-the-g-car-that-could-have-been/ (https://classiccougarcommunity.com/articles/g-force-cougar-the-g-car-that-could-have-been/)

There is also a short clip on the youtube showing the engine.
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: Brandon on February 12, 2022, 11:00:26 PM
I spent a while finding one the past couple of years.  The big price difference is the Ford 9" diff mount.  The universal ones are all over the place for $1500-$2000.

The one's that mount directly to the Ford 9"s are tough to find, and while I didn't pay anywhere close to $7000, the last one I saw sell (that I didn't purchase) was around $3000.
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: Drew Pojedinec on February 13, 2022, 05:04:23 AM
That fella on FB has recently been selling off a large stash. (He is in Canada btw)
He has some really cool stuff, in large amounts.
The prices are all extremely high.
Now that doesn’t bother me at all, I figure if a person wants it, so be it.

His descriptions seem (trying to find word) “gimmicky” and some details border on falsehood.

Fun stuff to look at nonetheless
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: shelbydoug on February 13, 2022, 09:01:06 AM
The picture of the bolt on to the 9" rear reminds me that there was a listing for the '69 Cougar Eliminator of a two speed rear.

Now personally I have never seen it but I do remember asking my parts guy, who was and still is a Boss 302 aficionado, and as I recall he said it was a Ford truck two speed rear assembly?

The Hone may be a better idea, for the time but frankly anything you do to a Ford one piece rear design brings up spring control issues.


What is the picture of the "Cougar rear" with the red truss? Is that supposed to be the Mustang IRS with a brace on it?
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: 67 GT350 on February 13, 2022, 11:36:55 AM
Just a question, but what happens if you hit a large bump in the road and that rear end takes a nice hit (shock)? Does the unit break off from the sharp bounce?
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: TA Coupe on February 13, 2022, 02:04:12 PM
The picture of the bolt on to the 9" rear reminds me that there was a listing for the '69 Cougar Eliminator of a two speed rear.

Now personally I have never seen it but I do remember asking my parts guy, who was and still is a Boss 302 aficionado, and as I recall he said it was a Ford truck two speed rear assembly?

The Hone may be a better idea, for the time but frankly anything you do to a Ford one piece rear design brings up spring control issues.


What is the picture of the "Cougar rear" with the red truss? Is that supposed to be the Mustang IRS with a brace on it?

 I believe the red truss is a Fays2 watts link.
http://www.fays2.net/
Scroll down and you'll see a picture of it

       Roy
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: Blackcar on February 13, 2022, 04:12:04 PM
The picture of the bolt on to the 9" rear reminds me that there was a listing for the '69 Cougar Eliminator of a two speed rear.

Now personally I have never seen it but I do remember asking my parts guy, who was and still is a Boss 302 aficionado, and as I recall he said it was a Ford truck two speed rear assembly?

The Hone may be a better idea, for the time but frankly anything you do to a Ford one piece rear design brings up spring control issues.


What is the picture of the "Cougar rear" with the red truss? Is that supposed to be the Mustang IRS with a brace on it?

 I believe the red truss is a Fays2 watts link.
http://www.fays2.net/
Scroll down and you'll see a picture of it

       Roy
That is a Fays 2 Watts link installed.
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: gt350hr on February 14, 2022, 10:34:44 AM
   Doug the Cougar two speed was made by Dana Corp. and  was based on a Dana 44 Salisbury style differential. It was a solid axle . The cost proved to be too high and the project was scrapped. I believe two units were supplied to LM Division . An old Car Craft magazine had pictures of the complete unit.
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: C6ZZGT on February 15, 2022, 01:41:55 AM
Pretty sure that it is a different Robin Miller.  ;)
'Rocket" Robin Miller is from B.C. Canada. He sought out and collected all of the 'Cougar' cast parts from the Shelby Catalog.
https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/17479/31579/shelby-dealer-ordering-packet-/-how-to-sharpen-your-cats-claws-nos-1967-mercury-cougar.html (https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/17479/31579/shelby-dealer-ordering-packet-/-how-to-sharpen-your-cats-claws-nos-1967-mercury-cougar.html)

This Robin Miller even built a Cougar with the parts. Called it the G-Force Cougar.
https://classiccougarcommunity.com/articles/g-force-cougar-the-g-car-that-could-have-been/ (https://classiccougarcommunity.com/articles/g-force-cougar-the-g-car-that-could-have-been/)

There is also a short clip on the youtube showing the engine.

Robin and his twin brother Richard have been buying and selling Ford parts for probably 40+ years now. They have had some cool cars over the years . I went to school with them.
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: shelbydoug on February 15, 2022, 07:24:50 AM
   Doug the Cougar two speed was made by Dana Corp. and  was based on a Dana 44 Salisbury style differential. It was a solid axle . The cost proved to be too high and the project was scrapped. I believe two units were supplied to LM Division . An old Car Craft magazine had pictures of the complete unit.

I suppose that is why there are no pictures around? Only two is almost non-existent?
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: gt350hr on February 15, 2022, 10:09:05 AM
      Read the last line.
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: pbf777 on February 15, 2022, 11:05:36 AM
The cost proved to be too high and the project was scrapped.


     Randy, I don't disagree at all; but I wonder if durability wasn't perhaps also a factor in its' demise?  I'm familiar with double reduction (even triple!  :o ) differentials in larger trucks, and in some instances when the drivetrain is abused these tend often to be the unhappy fuse, as there just become to many small parts in a cramped assembly. And considering the dimensional area available for this engineering within the Dana 44, not to mention at this point in time it already wasn't considered the strongest unit available and had been sidestepped by most manufactures installations of their greater loading capacities, plus the fact that in the late '60's torque loads and horse power along with the weight (here, mostly presenting resistance in acceleration) was only increasing, ............. I wonder?    :-\ 

     Scott.   
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: shelbydoug on February 15, 2022, 12:49:23 PM
      Read the last line.

You mean that you don't have that article to scan or an original to take pics of? Oh. I forgot. You don't do pictures.  :)
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: gt350hr on February 15, 2022, 01:02:55 PM
   Yup no need for pictures when you have a photographic memory. "I" know what it looked like but it's a curse when someone else ( like you in this case)  wants to see it. The cover mentioned the "Streep Scene" too. I might have it in my magazine library still. No time to look for it. Try Propayne ( Phillip) to see if he has . He is all Cougar , all the time LOL
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: shelbydoug on February 15, 2022, 01:38:20 PM
   Yup no need for pictures when you have a photographic memory. "I" know what it looked like but it's a curse when someone else ( like you in this case)  wants to see it. The cover mentioned the "Streep Scene" too. I might have it in my magazine library still. No time to look for it. Try Propayne ( Phillip) to see if he has . He is all Cougar , all the time LOL

Phillip has been quite on the subject so I presume he doesn't have anything to show unlike you when you start talking about the 9"s.   ::)
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: gt350hr on February 15, 2022, 05:08:36 PM
    My wife worked at the local Lincoln Mercury dealer in '69 and I asked her about the Streep Scene Cougar and she said it was at their dealership on display. She CLEARLY remembers they had to push the car onto display because the rear end was broken. While there , they replaced the drum to drum and driveshaft to make the car driveable again. The two speed was sent to Dana not Ford for evaluation.
     Randy
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: propayne on February 15, 2022, 06:13:44 PM
I'm flattered I was mentioned!  8)

I've been keeping up with this thread, but when it comes to mechanically related Mercury Cougar info, Royce is your man.

I'm more comfortable in the original marketing/advertising/racing history realm.

The Cougar Eliminator show car/prototype had a Dana-Spicer (Salisbury) two-speed rear end that was referred to as the "Streep" axle. Mercury even launched a "Streep Scene" marketing program for their performance cars in 1969.

The Streep axle never became a full fledged option and the whole Streep Scene marketing campaign didn't make it much past '69.

- Phillip

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-150222175912.jpeg)
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: propayne on February 15, 2022, 06:34:16 PM
Here are a couple of photos I scanned from my copy of the January 1969 issue of Hot Rod.

I've also seen photos of two different shifter/lever designs, both mounted on the console behind the stock automatic transmission shifter and in front of the storage bin.

- Phillip

(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/134-150222182946.jpeg)
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: shelbydoug on February 15, 2022, 07:37:41 PM
Pitchas, pitchas, I'z luvz pitchas!  ;D
Title: Re: Hone o drive 9inch 411 to 298
Post by: gt350hr on February 16, 2022, 10:21:43 AM
   Thanks Phillip , I thought it was Car Craft but it was obviously Hot Rod.