Hi all,
I know this tends to be a hub-cap type of place. Mine are still tucked away in the attic until "that day", but for now - 10-spokes on the car...
My question is about stowing the spare (10-spoke). I have a wing-nut and washer, and am stowing the spare "face up" (with the jack positioned underneath as normal). However, I have also seen (and tried myself) the spare stowed face down, using the lug wrench as the hold-down - which is similar to what is shown on the spare-tire placard in the trunk. That way also gives me a little more space, as I can stow a few tools and things in the "dish" at the rear of the wheel.
It may not be important, but I get a little bit of pleasure about things being "right" (no comments about the lack of "rightness" go 10-spokes in the first place please... ;) )
Cheers,
Chris.
(photo not my car, although it is the same color!)
Store the tenspoke spare valve stem up. You will need to use the 68 Mustang styled steel wheel mounting washer. Mount in this order. Jack and handle under side, wheel face up with styled steel wheel washer held down with the wing nut.
Rodney
I understand what you are wanting to do. I used 10 spokes but used an original KH steel wheel in the trunk like the factory did. So you definitely don't want the steel wheel look in the trunk?
Thats great if you have the steel rim lugnuts with you
Quote from: Coralsnake on April 21, 2022, 10:59:35 AM
Thats great if you have the steel rim lugnuts with you
If I get a flat I call AAA. I do have the correct bag of nuts for my space savor in my vert thanks to Ed.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on April 21, 2022, 10:16:13 AM
I understand what you are wanting to do. I used 10 spokes but used an original KH steel wheel in the trunk like the factory did. So you definitely don't want the steel wheel look in the trunk?
I decided to go with the "matching spare" approach. I don't know that this car will ever get "judged" (aside from by me), but as I understand, *if* a car had come with 10-spokes from the factory (I know there were few if any...), then it would have had five matching wheels, and if the 10-spokes were "dealer-added", it would have had four 10-spokes and a steel wheel spare. But that was based on my memory of internet reading from 20 years ago (when I fitted the 10-spokes), so willing to be corrected there...
As an aside, I actually fitted a different size tire on my spare wheel anyway (a P195/60R-15, rather than the P225/60R-15s) so it would fit properly, so it technically doesn't match anyway...
Thanks for the replies!
Chris.
I do believe that is outdated information. You are not going to find a "dealer" added ten spoke car. The few invoices I have seen were so obviously faked it was laughable. Very few cars actually had factory ten spokes its really a non discussion. (Less than 12)
To the best of my knowledge, current judging takes a deduction for ten spoke wheels. Maybe the 1968 judges can clarify.
As the current 68 Shelby head judge I was asked to review the judging sheets ( 1968 Shelby ) and suggest any changes. One item I requested to be changed was to not allow ten-spokes and or only with documentation as only a hand full of 68 Shelby's ever received these wheels from the factory. As stated it is what I requested, will it be changed? Probably but I haven't heard one way or another as of now.
Rodney Harrold
Rodney, we've always been able to take points off for 10 spokes. I would vote to continue the tradition lol
i agree factory correct is steel wheels and hub cap!
Quote from: TLea on April 21, 2022, 04:32:05 PM
Rodney, we've always been able to take points off for 10 spokes. I would vote to continue the tradition lol
;D
Yes I have and will continue to deduct for ten-spokes. The last judging sheet I have does not say no ten spokes but it does specify 15 x 6 semi gloss steel wheels. I just wanted that no ten-spokes with out documentation clause as someone might try and make an argument for the ten-spokes as a few ( very few ) cars did get them.
Rodney
We have always required reasonable proof for out of the ordinary circumstances . Reasonable being the key word. This goes for other things too . No need to call out every obscure possibility. The burden of reasonable proof has been with the entrant for his or her specific car. Just because something was done on one of the few ten spoke cars doesn't mean it is automatically correct for another. Of course the powers to be could change that but I don't think they should IMO.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 21, 2022, 05:40:29 PM
We have always required reasonable proof for out of the ordinary circumstances . Reasonable being the key word. This goes for other things too . No need to call out every obscure possibility. The burden of reasonable proof has been with the entrant for his or her specific car. Just because something was done on one of the few ten spoke cars doesn't mean it is automatically correct for another. Of course the powers to be could change that but I don't think they should IMO.
Since we are talking 68s what I have seen too much of lately are claims that "many dealers"(current KR auction on BaT) installed top stripes. Another is many dealers installed 10 spokes when new. Then we get to the dealers installing Paxtons.....So I have never seen a car documented as such for any of these but I am NOT a judge so my experience is limited. Has anyone here reading this seen documentation of any of these things being added on a brand new 68 Shelby at delivery?
Quote from: KR500 on April 21, 2022, 04:00:46 PM
As the current 68 Shelby head judge I was asked to review the judging sheets ( 1968 Shelby ) and suggest any changes. One item I requested to be changed was to not allow ten-spokes and or only with documentation as only a hand full of 68 Shelby's ever received these wheels from the factory. As stated it is what I requested, will it be changed? Probably but I haven't heard one way or another as of now.
Rodney Harrold
Thanks for giving your time to take on this role Rodney. Is there an avenue for one to get 68 Shelby judging sheets(or 69-70s)? SAAC or MCA? I assume you are the SAAC head judge? Gary
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on April 22, 2022, 06:51:09 AM
Quote from: KR500 on April 21, 2022, 04:00:46 PM
As the current 68 Shelby head judge I was asked to review the judging sheets ( 1968 Shelby ) and suggest any changes. One item I requested to be changed was to not allow ten-spokes and or only with documentation as only a hand full of 68 Shelby's ever received these wheels from the factory. As stated it is what I requested, will it be changed? Probably but I haven't heard one way or another as of now.
Rodney Harrold
Thanks for giving your time to take on this role Rodney. Is there an avenue for one to get 68 Shelby judging sheets(or 69-70s)? SAAC or MCA? I assume you are the SAAC head judge? Gary
You can ask ( for SAAC ) the Concourse Chairman Mike Shally or perhaps the head judge Charles Turner. I have no idea about the MCA. I am head judge of the 68 Shelby class for SAAC. For SAAC 47 Mike is the concourse chairman and Charles is the head judge. Both are on this forum.
Quote from: KR500 on April 22, 2022, 10:09:36 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on April 22, 2022, 06:51:09 AM
Quote from: KR500 on April 21, 2022, 04:00:46 PM
As the current 68 Shelby head judge I was asked to review the judging sheets ( 1968 Shelby ) and suggest any changes. One item I requested to be changed was to not allow ten-spokes and or only with documentation as only a hand full of 68 Shelby's ever received these wheels from the factory. As stated it is what I requested, will it be changed? Probably but I haven't heard one way or another as of now.
Rodney Harrold
Thanks for giving your time to take on this role Rodney. Is there an avenue for one to get 68 Shelby judging sheets(or 69-70s)? SAAC or MCA? I assume you are the SAAC head judge? Gary
You can ask ( for SAAC ) the Concourse Chairman Mike Shally or perhaps the head judge Charles Turner. I have no idea about the MCA. I am head judge of the 68 Shelby class for SAAC. For SAAC 47 Mike is the concourse chairman and Charles is the head judge. Both are on this forum.
Thanks. I have talked with Charles many times on different social venues. Gary
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on April 22, 2022, 06:48:53 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 21, 2022, 05:40:29 PM
We have always required reasonable proof for out of the ordinary circumstances . Reasonable being the key word. This goes for other things too . No need to call out every obscure possibility. The burden of reasonable proof has been with the entrant for his or her specific car. Just because something was done on one of the few ten spoke cars doesn't mean it is automatically correct for another. Of course the powers to be could change that but I don't think they should IMO.
Since we are talking 68s what I have seen too much of lately are claims that "many dealers"(current KR auction on BaT) installed top stripes. Another is many dealers installed 10 spokes when new. Then we get to the dealers installing Paxtons.....So I have never seen a car documented as such for any of these but I am NOT a judge so my experience is limited. Has anyone here reading this seen documentation of any of these things being added on a brand new 68 Shelby at delivery?
Better to start a new thread so that others searching can benefit. Plus no one would ever suspect to glean that dealer type specific information from a "10-spoke spare stowage " titled thread.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 22, 2022, 10:56:06 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on April 22, 2022, 06:48:53 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 21, 2022, 05:40:29 PM
We have always required reasonable proof for out of the ordinary circumstances . Reasonable being the key word. This goes for other things too . No need to call out every obscure possibility. The burden of reasonable proof has been with the entrant for his or her specific car. Just because something was done on one of the few ten spoke cars doesn't mean it is automatically correct for another. Of course the powers to be could change that but I don't think they should IMO.
Since we are talking 68s what I have seen too much of lately are claims that "many dealers"(current KR auction on BaT) installed top stripes. Another is many dealers installed 10 spokes when new. Then we get to the dealers installing Paxtons.....So I have never seen a car documented as such for any of these but I am NOT a judge so my experience is limited. Has anyone here reading this seen documentation of any of these things being added on a brand new 68 Shelby at delivery?
Better to start a new thread so that others searching can benefit. Plus no one would ever suspect to glean that dealer type specific information from a "10-spoke spare stowage " titled thread.
Great point.
Hi Rodney,
Quote from: KR500 on April 21, 2022, 05:16:47 PM
Yes I have and will continue to deduct for ten-spokes. The last judging sheet I have does not say no ten spokes but it does specify 15 x 6 semi gloss steel wheels. I just wanted that no ten-spokes with out documentation clause as someone might try and make an argument for the ten-spokes as a few ( very few ) cars did get them.
Is there a further deduction if the spare does not match the Road wheels? That is what I recall reading at some point... Again, I doubt anyone but me will be judging these details of my Shelby (and this judge is easily bribed... ;) ), but interesting to know.
As I think I mentioned, I do have the hubcaps tucked away against a future restoration, and even 5 steel wheels (the spare steel wheel may even be original, not sure about that), but for now, 10 spokes it is. I am taking her on a little 2500 mile jaunt from Rhode Island to North Dakota in June - so obviously a "driver"! :) Oh, I forgot to mention she also came away with the "Provenance Award" at the recent Coast-to-Copper rally, so she still gets some love from the judges!
Chris.
Quote from: ctann on April 22, 2022, 12:09:56 PM
Hi Rodney,
Quote from: KR500 on April 21, 2022, 05:16:47 PM
Yes I have and will continue to deduct for ten-spokes. The last judging sheet I have does not say no ten spokes but it does specify 15 x 6 semi gloss steel wheels. I just wanted that no ten-spokes with out documentation clause as someone might try and make an argument for the ten-spokes as a few ( very few ) cars did get them.
Chris
Yes there would be a deduction if the spare was incorrect and or different. There are 2 separate categories for tire/wheels so 2 places for possible deductions. #1 Undercarriage, the 4 tires/wheels on the ground. #2 Trunk, the spare tire/wheel. So the car can potentially loose points in either category for incorrect tires and wheels. Note; the tires and wheel covers are separately judged items from the wheels.
Rodney
Is there a further deduction if the spare does not match the Road wheels? That is what I recall reading at some point... Again, I doubt anyone but me will be judging these details of my Shelby (and this judge is easily bribed... ;) ), but interesting to know.
As I think I mentioned, I do have the hubcaps tucked away against a future restoration, and even 5 steel wheels (the spare steel wheel may even be original, not sure about that), but for now, 10 spokes it is. I am taking her on a little 2500 mile jaunt from Rhode Island to North Dakota in June - so obviously a "driver"! :) Oh, I forgot to mention she also came away with the "Provenance Award" at the recent Coast-to-Copper rally, so she still gets some love from the judges!
Chris.