Guys I can't get into much detail but has all the 1967 shelby gt500 ordered with the 427 side oiler been accounted for ...Thanks
I'd refer you to the SAAC Registry. I thought there were three? The Supersnake and two drag cars?
Quote from: shelbydoug on May 27, 2018, 07:30:04 AM
I'd refer you to the SAAC Registry. I thought there were three? The Supersnake and two drag cars?
^^^Yes, what Doug said.
only 3 were built by SA as mentioned...
http://www.mustangandfords.com/featured-vehicles/1407-1967-ford-mustang-shelby-gt-500-race-ready-once-again/
"Notched/plated shock towers"? This is the first I've heard of that.
That would be an A/FX modification, no? What class would that car be running in? Randy. You there? HELP! ;D
An A/FX Falcon, a '69 Boss '9, sure, but a '67 Shelby in a stock class? Huh? Hey Dave? Is this author mixing his metaphors? ::)
Quote from: shelbydoug on May 27, 2018, 12:04:09 PM
"Notched/plated shock towers"? This is the first I've heard of that.
That would be an A/FX modification, no? What class would that car be running in? Randy. You there? HELP! ;D
An A/FX Falcon, a '69 Boss '9, sure, but a '67 Shelby in a stock class? Huh? Hey Dave? Is this author mixing his metaphors? ::)
I don't believe that was a SA modification but a subsequent owner mod.
Are they all accounted for ?
I believe all of the current owners are known.
Quote from: shelbydoug on May 27, 2018, 07:26:55 PM
I believe all of the current owners are known.
You forget about all of the pretender cars that claim legitimacy and seem to come up for discussion every 3 months or so. Of course with no or forged back up documentation. No one keeps tract of those that I am aware of.
Why would anyone?Its not factory ,just an engine swap.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 27, 2018, 08:38:41 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on May 27, 2018, 07:26:55 PM
I believe all of the current owners are known.
You forget about all of the pretender cars that claim legitimacy and seem to come up for discussion every 3 months or so. Of course with no or forged back up documentation. No one keeps tract of those that I am aware of.
I haven't forgotten about them but they hold no special legitimate value so deserve no mention? It's just the curse of the return of the "dealer installed 427" ghost. It seems to return and haunt the countryside like Washinton Irving's headless horseman character or the tale of the Shelby Registry?
It depends what angle he's coming from,if he's looking for a needle in the haystack those cars have been located and accounted for over the last 50 years. If he is wondering about fitment issues those engines fit waaay better than OJ S glove just slide it on in you will love it. If he is looking for the most powerful engine of its time slide it in and enjoy the ride. Nothing wrong with a 400-500 horsepower transplant, if you want to make it look original its very simple, if he wants to make it look racy FORD has made more cool pieces than Bayer has pills. Enjoy the hobby.....
Quote from: 427heaven on May 28, 2018, 08:52:55 AM
It depends what angle he's coming from,if he's looking for a needle in the haystack those cars have been located and accounted for over the last 50 years. If he is wondering about fitment issues those engines fit waaay better than OJ S glove just slide it on in you will love it. If he is looking for the most powerful engine of its time slide it in and enjoy the ride. Nothing wrong with a 400-500 horsepower transplant, if you want to make it look original its very simple, if he wants to make it look racy FORD has made more cool pieces than Bayer has pills. Enjoy the hobby.....
Making one is a little like cloning Tyrannosaurus Rex. A real dinosaur for sure, but don't look at me, I'm not the one to tell him? ::)
Quote from: 557 on May 28, 2018, 03:14:19 AM
Why would anyone?Its not factory ,just an engine swap.
The only thing wrong about the engine swap is the BS story that many are compelled to spin to justify theirs as factory. The swap has been done many times in the past ,present and most likely future because it is the best bad ass alternative to factory stock on a 67 GT500 ;D
Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 28, 2018, 12:11:45 PM
Quote from: 557 on May 28, 2018, 03:14:19 AM
Why would anyone?Its not factory ,just an engine swap.
The only thing wrong about the engine swap is the BS story that many are compelled to spin to justify theirs as factory. The swap has been done many times in the past ,present and most likely future because it is the best bad ass alternative to factory stock on a 67 GT500 ;D
. What I meant was why bother to keep track of the BS story 427 cars??? 8)
Was a blue. I think Brittany blue 427 500 at SAAC Pocono.
Long Island car. Nice guy.
Driven to the show.
Nice guy.
Parked near us in the garages.
427 had been in the car a long long LONG time.
Quote from: 557 on May 29, 2018, 01:58:24 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 28, 2018, 12:11:45 PM
Quote from: 557 on May 28, 2018, 03:14:19 AM
Why would anyone?Its not factory ,just an engine swap.
The only thing wrong about the engine swap is the BS story that many are compelled to spin to justify theirs as factory. The swap has been done many times in the past ,present and most likely future because it is the best bad ass alternative to factory stock on a 67 GT500 ;D
. What I meant was why bother to keep track of the BS story 427 cars??? 8)
As far as keeping track of the stories of individual cars, in the case of SAAC, we call that the SAAC Registry.
The nature of these cars makes it necessary to have documentation on them. Fortunately the '67 Shelby's are well documented with invoices and the Marti reports tend to agree with that.
Speculators will always be around and that will never change. We all hope to find a 'real barn find' that we can afford but even there a buyer needs to be prepared with information to be able to confirm themselves without a lot of outside help, what they are looking at.
The current conditions just really set the stage for swindles. They were probably always around. There is more information now that reduces the risk but one even needs to know how and where to find the info.
I suppose it's a little like the modern equivalent of 'panning for gold'? You need to know the difference from 'fool's gold' and if you actually find it, you want to keep it secret and not start a panic and get over run by it yourself?
The real finds are never going to get reported to "Barn Finds' and even if they do, will wind up going to auction like the Cobra and Ferrari did anyway.
The fun of the hunt is still there, but it's kind of an academic one now but lightening still strikes, just not usually in the same place twice though?
I don't think anyone really cares what cars have what engines in them,if it has a Nugget in there
more power to them. They all can be changed out in a couple of hours to get that originality thing going, but if they like that feeling of getting your head bent back towards the back seat and tire smoke billowing from the car with an exhaust note of a f 14 at wide open throttle the 427 fills that void, stories are just that... stories. up
well said + 1
Quote from: 427heaven on May 29, 2018, 09:48:20 AM
I don't think anyone really cares what cars have what engines in them,if it has a Nugget in there
more power to them. They all can be changed out in a couple of hours to get that originality thing going, but if they like that feeling of getting your head bent back towards the back seat and tire smoke billowing from the car with an exhaust note of a f 14 at wide open throttle the 427 fills that void, stories are just that... stories. up
Quote from: Bob Gaines on May 27, 2018, 02:52:37 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on May 27, 2018, 12:04:09 PM
"Notched/plated shock towers"? This is the first I've heard of that.
That would be an A/FX modification, no? What class would that car be running in? Randy. You there? HELP! ;D
An A/FX Falcon, a '69 Boss '9, sure, but a '67 Shelby in a stock class? Huh? Hey Dave? Is this author mixing his metaphors? ::)
I don't believe that was a SA modification but a subsequent owner mod.
+1 SAI didn't do that shock tower modification. A 427 powered '67 was ONLY legal in the ( now defunct) AHRA and was probably the main reason so few were built. NHRA would never accept the car in a "stock" or "super stock" class so it would have had tun in a "gas" class where it would not have been competitive as produced. By '67 A/FX cars were "funny cars" running in the 8 second ET range ruling out a car like this.
Quote from: Bigfoot on May 29, 2018, 04:33:52 AM
Was a blue. I think Brittany blue 427 500 at SAAC Pocono.
Long Island car. Nice guy.
Driven to the show.
Nice guy.
Parked near us in the garages.
427 had been in the car a long long LONG time.
Know the car well. I just wish he would stop telling the story. He has had it since he was in his late teens as I recall. No documentation. Nice car.
M.
Quote from: Shelby6t5 Mike, LI, NY on May 30, 2018, 04:14:50 PM
Quote from: Bigfoot on May 29, 2018, 04:33:52 AM
Was a blue. I think Brittany blue 427 500 at SAAC Pocono.
Long Island car. Nice guy.
Driven to the show.
Nice guy.
Parked near us in the garages.
427 had been in the car a long long LONG time.
Know the car well. I just wish he would stop telling the story. He has had it since he was in his late teens as I recall. No documentation. Nice car.
M.
That would be Rick Zappia's car. First time I saw it was about 1975 at a SOA meeting in CT. It was silver then.
He was on here before the crash. I haven't seen him come back yet.
Yes, a nice one. Both the owner and the car.
The origin of the 427 in it is pure speculation but appears to be a '67 dated side oiler. Maybe a crate engine from the day?
The car has other indications that it was "rebuilt" along the way. Maybe in '67 or '68. One of those indications is an all fiberglass louvered hood on an early car that shouldn't have one.
As with all big block "Mustangs", you don't want to get stuck in bumper to bumper "NY bridge type" traffic. The thing will probably melt.
Rick's story was that he got a "Police escort" from LI to Pocono for that convention.
It has a colorful background and there in lies a tale?
There have been more then a few try to buy the car from him. I do know of some who have tried. I know where the number is. You don't want to know. It's a very expensive car. Rightfully so by me. ;D
Guys,
Of the 3 known legitimate examples, are they in private hands or in a museum somewhere ?
Thanks,
Bob
Quote from: oldcanuck on January 24, 2021, 10:51:46 AM
Guys,
Of the 3 known legitimate examples, are they in private hands or in a museum somewhere ?
Thanks,
Bob
All in private hands although one of the owners has a car museum .
I like 427's too, but I'm not entirely sure of the value of a 427 vs. the 428 unless you intend to win Lemans and have the bank roll of "the Deuce" himself?
The '68 NHRA Winter Nationals had the 428cj's dominating. Not 427's.
I think that if you want to disqualify the 428's as incompetent, you need to explain the success of them at that event first.
All of the three 427 '67s are privately owned and at times may be on display at museums. That's kind of like a safe dry storage for the winter for them with free security. Unless you are talking about something like the Smithsonian in DC, by definition, museums are private entities generally with an admission fee to get in.
An example of that really is the Simeon Museum in Philly. In that case, "the Doctor" simply has his own museum.
Quote from: shelbydoug on May 30, 2018, 08:12:36 PM
Quote from: Shelby6t5 Mike, LI, NY on May 30, 2018, 04:14:50 PM
Quote from: Bigfoot on May 29, 2018, 04:33:52 AM
Was a blue. I think Brittany blue 427 500 at SAAC Pocono.
Long Island car. Nice guy.
Driven to the show.
Nice guy.
Parked near us in the garages.
427 had been in the car a long long LONG time.
Know the car well. I just wish he would stop telling the story. He has had it since he was in his late teens as I recall. No documentation. Nice car.
M.
That would be Rick Zappia's car. First time I saw it was about 1975 at a SOA meeting in CT. It was silver then.
He was on here before the crash. I haven't seen him come back yet.
Yes, a nice one. Both the owner and the car.
The origin of the 427 in it is pure speculation but appears to be a '67 dated side oiler. Maybe a crate engine from the day?
The car has other indications that it was "rebuilt" along the way. Maybe in '67 or '68. One of those indications is an all fiberglass louvered hood on an early car that shouldn't have one.
As with all big block "Mustangs", you don't want to get stuck in bumper to bumper "NY bridge type" traffic. The thing will probably melt.
Rick's story was that he got a "Police escort" from LI to Pocono for that convention.
It has a colorful background and there in lies a tale?
There have been more then a few try to buy the car from him. I do know of some who have tried. I know where the number is. You don't want to know. It's a very expensive car. Rightfully so by me. ;D
Doug,
Rick went by 'Captain Pickadilly' or something like that I believe? Great guy to speak with, lot's of fun. He was also convinced his car was used in this original Shelby ad:
Did they cut the towers to clear a cammer? I think the biggest reason SA didn't offer a 67 drag car was because Les Richey was killed in 66. His Performance Associates built all the Dragon Snakes and GT350 drag cars for Shelby in his Glendora Shop. He also is the one who prepped Gas Ronda's cars. His downtown Motors Galaxie & Tbolt and his Russ Davis Tbolt and Mustangs.
Captricklilpinky
Quote from: BGlover67 on January 24, 2021, 01:06:02 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on May 30, 2018, 08:12:36 PM
Quote from: Shelby6t5 Mike, LI, NY on May 30, 2018, 04:14:50 PM
Quote from: Bigfoot on May 29, 2018, 04:33:52 AM
Was a blue. I think Brittany blue 427 500 at SAAC Pocono.
Long Island car. Nice guy.
Driven to the show.
Nice guy.
Parked near us in the garages.
427 had been in the car a long long LONG time.
Know the car well. I just wish he would stop telling the story. He has had it since he was in his late teens as I recall. No documentation. Nice car.
M.
That would be Rick Zappia's car. First time I saw it was about 1975 at a SOA meeting in CT. It was silver then.
He was on here before the crash. I haven't seen him come back yet.
Yes, a nice one. Both the owner and the car.
The origin of the 427 in it is pure speculation but appears to be a '67 dated side oiler. Maybe a crate engine from the day?
The car has other indications that it was "rebuilt" along the way. Maybe in '67 or '68. One of those indications is an all fiberglass louvered hood on an early car that shouldn't have one.
As with all big block "Mustangs", you don't want to get stuck in bumper to bumper "NY bridge type" traffic. The thing will probably melt.
Rick's story was that he got a "Police escort" from LI to Pocono for that convention.
It has a colorful background and there in lies a tale?
There have been more then a few try to buy the car from him. I do know of some who have tried. I know where the number is. You don't want to know. It's a very expensive car. Rightfully so by me. ;D
Doug,
Rick went by 'Captain Pickadilly' or something like that I believe? Great guy to speak with, lot's of fun. He was also convinced his car was used in this original Shelby ad:
I think the 68 CJ's were dominant because of the index they were running on and the drivers. Remember, this is handicap racing once you get out of the class runoffs.
Don
gt350bp
Quote from: FL SAAC on January 24, 2021, 03:58:30 PM
Captricklilpinky
Quote from: BGlover67 on January 24, 2021, 01:06:02 PM
Quote from: shelbydoug on May 30, 2018, 08:12:36 PM
Quote from: Shelby6t5 Mike, LI, NY on May 30, 2018, 04:14:50 PM
Quote from: Bigfoot on May 29, 2018, 04:33:52 AM
Was a blue. I think Brittany blue 427 500 at SAAC Pocono.
Long Island car. Nice guy.
Driven to the show.
Nice guy.
Parked near us in the garages.
427 had been in the car a long long LONG time.
Know the car well. I just wish he would stop telling the story. He has had it since he was in his late teens as I recall. No documentation. Nice car.
M.
That would be Rick Zappia's car. First time I saw it was about 1975 at a SOA meeting in CT. It was silver then.
He was on here before the crash. I haven't seen him come back yet.
Yes, a nice one. Both the owner and the car.
The origin of the 427 in it is pure speculation but appears to be a '67 dated side oiler. Maybe a crate engine from the day?
The car has other indications that it was "rebuilt" along the way. Maybe in '67 or '68. One of those indications is an all fiberglass louvered hood on an early car that shouldn't have one.
As with all big block "Mustangs", you don't want to get stuck in bumper to bumper "NY bridge type" traffic. The thing will probably melt.
Rick's story was that he got a "Police escort" from LI to Pocono for that convention.
It has a colorful background and there in lies a tale?
There have been more then a few try to buy the car from him. I do know of some who have tried. I know where the number is. You don't want to know. It's a very expensive car. Rightfully so by me. ;D
Doug,
Rick went by 'Captain Pickadilly' or something like that I believe? Great guy to speak with, lot's of fun. He was also convinced his car was used in this original Shelby ad:
That's it!
Saw Capt' Rick and his car '67 GT500 #328 at SAAC 40 - Pocono Aug., 2015, took a number of photos of his car and talked a few times over the event and afterwards.
Haven't heard from him in a while - HI Rick! (hope you're doing well)
Here is a photo of his car at, the closed for years, Bridgehampton race course that he posted on the "Crashed" SAAC Forum 1...
Love the way he has his car suspended and tired.
I don't think he was claiming a factory install but, IIRC, he said the first owner had the 427 installed early, but after initial purchase.
Anyone check to see if he is registered here now? I only found Captain Kid when I looked.
Quote from: 2112 on January 24, 2021, 10:32:23 PM
Love the way he has his car suspended and tired.
I don't think he was claiming a factory install but, IIRC, he said the first owner had the 427 installed early, but after initial purchase.
Anyone check to see if he is registered here now? I only found Captain Kid when I looked.
In my personal discussion with him at Pocono, he WAS saying that "the car came this way".
I talked to one person who was trying to buy it for 250 who was convinced it was factory. At that time, 2010ish, that was not a large enough offer to get it.
I would suspect by Rick's absence that there is a new owner but no one seems to know for sure.
Ask the 67 Registrar if he has new ownership reported to him.
Here's the thing though. There are still a lot of "enthusiasts" who feel, "bah, humbug" about the SAAC Registry and it's nobody's business what I own. That the Registry is just a kind of bragging thing.
As a result, some never report any ownership information to the "Registry" and never will.
At some point, the car will re-immurge. It is a really nice car with it's own unique history.
You know, this undiscoverd 67 427 thing strikes me as just another conspiracy theory that people in the US in particular are so willing to believe, in that SAAC is lying for it's own benefit and that there are other "secret 427's out there"?
The SAAC Cobra Registrar here can attest to some of that with it's own unique spin?
Even when you have ALL of the factory invoices and put them on the table for all to see, people immediately will say, they have been altered to hide the facts? Is this some kind of a virus that we are ignoring that has this dementia type of effect or is that another conspiracy theory? :o
Rick still owns his car. It is not a factory 427 car.
Dave
Again, this is just from memory, but I think he said he had iron Exhaust manifolds.
Either he had 428 heads or shoehorned Fairlane manifolds in there.
Quote from: 2112 on January 25, 2021, 10:19:33 AM
Again, this is just from memory, but I think he said he had iron Exhaust manifolds.
Either he had 428 heads or shoehorned Fairlane manifolds in there.
Engine shot I have from SAAC 40...
Looks like someone moved the shelby tag to document the ford #?
Quote from: JD on January 25, 2021, 10:27:40 AM
Quote from: 2112 on January 25, 2021, 10:19:33 AM
Again, this is just from memory, but I think he said he had iron Exhaust manifolds.
Either he had 428 heads or shoehorned Fairlane manifolds in there.
Engine shot I have from SAAC 40...
Well, to my eye, those look like 427 heads. Shoehorning those manifolds in must have bee a labor of love.
Quote from: Special Ed on January 25, 2021, 10:49:55 AM
Looks like someone moved the shelby tag to document the ford #?
...that is were the VIN plate is riveted on that car, does seem a bit off the typical area.
I want to say that I remember having that discussion with him and he said that they were CJ manifolds but I don't know what you do with the bolts on something like a 65-6 427 head which are top and bottom and wouldn't match up to a CJ manifold?
The 427 Manifolds are FAIRLANE manifolds and Perogie told me that they don't fit the Mustang configuration.
Are the 67 427 heads cast like the 428 heads with the provisions of drilling the additional CJ located holes out from the additional cast in bosses?
Do '68 427 heads have the additional bosses?
Good question. Anyone know? Royce?
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 25, 2021, 02:19:52 PM
I want to say that I remember having that discussion with him and he said that they were CJ manifolds but I don't know what you do with the bolts on something like a 65-6 427 head which are top and bottom and wouldn't match up to a CJ manifold?
The 427 Manifolds are FAIRLANE manifolds and Perogie told me that they don't fit the Mustang configuration.
Are the 67 427 heads cast like the 428 heads with the provisions of drilling the additional CJ located holes out from the additional cast in bosses?
Do '68 427 heads have the additional bosses?
Good question. Anyone know? Royce?
Good question. I thought the same thing-could the heads be drilled for the extra holes? Too bad the Ford engineers were not bright enough to design more clearance for the exhausts on FEs 67-70. Gary
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on January 26, 2021, 07:03:18 AM
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 25, 2021, 02:19:52 PM
I want to say that I remember having that discussion with him and he said that they were CJ manifolds but I don't know what you do with the bolts on something like a 65-6 427 head which are top and bottom and wouldn't match up to a CJ manifold?
The 427 Manifolds are FAIRLANE manifolds and Perogie told me that they don't fit the Mustang configuration.
Are the 67 427 heads cast like the 428 heads with the provisions of drilling the additional CJ located holes out from the additional cast in bosses?
Do '68 427 heads have the additional bosses?
Good question. Anyone know? Royce?
Good question. I thought the same thing-could the heads be drilled for the extra holes? Too bad the Ford engineers were not bright enough to design more clearance for the exhausts on FEs 67-70. Gary
At some point the FE heads get a boss addition for exhaust bolt relocation. To me it looks like it is on the C7 and later versions of all FE heads?
There is a '67 "R" version of the 427 and of course there is a 68 "W" version.
I had a pair of C7's 428 heads with 7C casting dates. They were drilled for the 8 bolt, top and bottom bolts but the new bosses were on the heads but undrilled.
I don't know of anyone who is "a 67 427 expert" to ask about this but my educated guess would be that the bosses are there on the heads to be drilled so that a GT or CJ exhaust manifolds would fit.
Those are CJ exhaust manifolds on this car. I had that discussion with Rick that day at Pocono. He was saying how nice and quiet the engine was with them.
We didn't talk about the heads and didn't talk about the date codes on the block, heads, cam, etc, which would have identified the production year of the engine.
I didn't notice if it had a C7ZX intake either. Sometimes that's an indication of what heads are on the engine because of the port size differences between the "low riser heads" and the "medium risers".
Maybe Randy has some experience with this subject and will chime in?
No, none of the "427" (L.R., M.R., H.R. or T.P.) cylinder heads have the casting bosses present for the other than the earlier 8-bolt vertical bolt pattern. Now the '68 "W' code hydraulic cam, 427 came with a version of the 14-bolt "GT" casting and was drilled as such, and the "Marine" 427 engines came with the cylinder heads as stated next.
Starting in 1966 - '67 the "GT" style castings were adopted for other vehicle chassis but not machined as such, with solely the vertical pattern and exhibiting the undrilled bosses provided for the 14-bolt intention. This cylinder head also often referred to as the "Short-Port" (intake) FE cylinder head. ;)
As far as to what exhaust manifolds are present in the photo, I can't see enough to determine positively, but "CJ" manifolds don't have an upper bolt boss as shown, but then perhaps something was added? ???
Scott.
Scott ,
That SURE looks like an upper bolt on #5 cylinder which is not there on a CJ exhaust manifold. Now an accomplished cast iron welder could easily add bolt provisions, a closer look would show what I'm guessing happened. Doing that would really open up the possibilities. Might be harder than heck to do the lower bolts that way.
67 Fairlane 427 exhaust manifold.
How many tabs are you seeing on #5?
I can't quite make it out clearly but looks like I see two. One on top, one to the right side?
Maybe JD can enlarge that clearly? I'm very interested as to what is on there?
The iron manifolds are intended to be installed on the engine before it gets dropped into the engine compartment so getting them on is not the issue. Getting them off without pulling the engine is.
67 427 Fairlanes have holes drilled at the factory for lower bolt access and plugged with plastic hole plugs as I remember.
Are these ports just dumping into a big common internal chamber on 6 & 7?
Exactly my point when I said harder than heck to do the bottom bolt addition to a CJ manifold.
Doug no plastic caps on the Fairlane manifold access holes. They would melt for sure.
I believe he is indicating plastic plugs for access the bolts, not plastic plugs in the manifolds.
Mike
Thanks , I meant access holes , I amended my post.
Randy
I'm glad that by bringing up Ricks car 2 years Ago has created some energy here.
He was fun to talk to.
He did infact say he had a Police escort for part of the way.
Quote from: Bigfoot on January 26, 2021, 03:21:04 PM
I'm glad that by bringing up Ricks car 2 years Ago has created some energy here.
He was fun to talk to.
He did infact say he had a Police escort for part of the way.
I might expect a fighter plane escort as well. He has friends.
Here are two images, the one from before closer and another close-up too, they don't show much but maybe enough...
Quote from: shelbydoug on January 26, 2021, 11:40:11 AM
The iron manifolds are intended to be installed on the engine before it gets dropped into the engine compartment so getting them on is not the issue. Getting them off without pulling the engine is.
67 427 Fairlanes have holes drilled at the factory for lower bolt access and plugged with plastic hole plugs as I remember.
Ford Motor Co. was not concerned with someone else's whim of wishing to separate the exhaust manifolds from the engine within the chassis.
And although I missed that engineering committee meeting, I believe the holes in the inner fender wells was intended to aid access to the center spark plugs shrouded by the shock towers. ;)
Scott.
Quote from: JD on January 26, 2021, 04:27:23 PM
Here are two images, the one from before closer and another close-up too, they don't show much but maybe enough...
JD, Thank you. I have pictures of that corner of his engine but not focused on the exhaust manifold.
What I see in your detail is simple. A cast iron manifold made by Ford does not exist in that bolt configuration. If it does, someone educate that me and post a pic of the manifold.
The combination of three mounting tabs was never made by Ford. I think that is a CJ with a top tab added? Look at my pics above. There is no top tab on #5 on that manifold.
There are only two bolts per cylinder on the cj. Having said that though the head on that engine is still in question to me unless there is another added tab underneath that we can't see in the pics?
To my eye, in JD's second pic, it looks like a 428PI exhaust manifold.
Edit, with welding as Randy indicated.
Quote from: 2112 on January 26, 2021, 05:28:40 PM
To my eye, in JD's second pic, it looks like a 428PI exhaust manifold.
Edit, with welding as Randy indicated.
the "GT" manifold is just a smaller version of the CJ manifold. Still has only two horizontal bolt holes and as such will not fit 427 heads with only top and bottom bolt holes...but I think the answer is those aren't 427 heads on that engine. ;)
Even if what was done was to weld on top bolt bosses on to the manifolds to mate with the all the top holes on 427 heads, what do you do for the bottom holes? Nothing? Just mount the manifolds by the top bolts?
Yes. I do see the weld bead on #5.
Just getting around to reading my Shelby American annual and I found this in there ,Could this be the source of some of the extra 427's floating around
Quote from: 68krrrr on January 30, 2021, 08:13:39 PM
Just getting around to reading my Shelby American annual and I found this in there ,Could this be the source of some of the extra 427's floating around
Timing can be everything. I was still getting thrown around as red meat draft bait so I could only briefly scan through data like that before my DI would start yelling about Jeezis H. Krist, aren't those boots laced up yet? It was a wonderful time..."best job I ever had!" ;)
Thinking was above my pay grade...and above his too.
I do remember SB Chevy's being like $375 complete over the counter so in proportion anything approaching $1,000 was a pipe dream? L88's weren't out yet but were easier to pick up 'cause of all the 'luminum.
427 Fairlane / Comet manifolds do not fit Mustang / Cougar at all. Been there, tried that. Anyone who says it can be done hasn't tried it.
Quote from: 2112 on January 25, 2021, 10:19:33 AM
Again, this is just from memory, but I think he said he had iron Exhaust manifolds.
Either he had 428 heads or shoehorned Fairlane manifolds in there.
Looking at the date on the paper , one "could" assume "left over engines". Notice there is no mention of "quantity " of said engines.