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Deals and Appeals => Up For Auction => Topic started by: 5s386 on June 18, 2022, 12:39:47 AM

Title: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: 5s386 on June 18, 2022, 12:39:47 AM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-shelby-gt500kr-6/   

Already some interesting commentary. And a large bid within 10 minutes of the start of the auction.
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: Mikelj5S230 on June 26, 2022, 07:00:06 PM
This one is gonna be interesting, especially given its history.
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: 1969shelbygt350 on June 26, 2022, 08:00:35 PM
"The car does not have a title, as it is registered in a state that does not issue titles for a vehicle of its age. It is being sold on its Connecticut registration."

Problem???
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: capecodmustang.com on June 26, 2022, 08:04:57 PM
Quote from: 1969shelbygt350 on June 26, 2022, 08:00:35 PM
"The car does not have a title, as it is registered in a state that does not issue titles for a vehicle of its age. It is being sold on its Connecticut registration."

Problem???

Nope...
No problem at all
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on June 26, 2022, 09:25:37 PM
Quote from: 1969shelbygt350 on June 26, 2022, 08:00:35 PM
"The car does not have a title, as it is registered in a state that does not issue titles for a vehicle of its age. It is being sold on its Connecticut registration."

Problem???
Depends on the state. • The last issued out-of-state title. When an out-of-state title is not surrendered to the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV), the California registration card is marked "Nontransferable" and a California Certificate of Title is not issued. They also won't register the car if the current person on the registration isn't the person registering it in CA.
A guy I knew came from NY his VW didn't have a title. When he sold it he was required to post a bond (for 5 years) for the value of the car incase a bank or other owner showed up. CA could care less about where it came from without a title or MSO they won't issue a title.
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: Mikelj5S230 on June 27, 2022, 09:23:55 AM
You will not get a title in your name to this car in many states.
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: Mikelj5S230 on June 28, 2022, 01:57:07 PM
And the bid goes on......
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: Bigfoot on June 28, 2022, 02:52:03 PM
What an insane bid for a car that's been totaled. Fenders, 1/4's and floors to start with. That's ok for a race car but would scare away your average buyer of a vehicle like this one.
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: Mikelj5S230 on June 28, 2022, 03:05:42 PM
Agreed Bigfoot, way too much baggage, as some of us have discussed on these pages before, but apparently some don't care about originality these days.  The surprising thing is that it is not sold.  Must be family nostalgia.
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: Bigfoot on June 28, 2022, 03:12:35 PM
Quote from: CorvetteMike on June 28, 2022, 03:05:42 PM
Agreed Bigfoot, way too much baggage, as some of us have discussed on these pages before, but apparently some don't care about originality these days.  The surprising thing is that it is not sold.  Must be family nostalgia.

Even a very very nice example should have a reserve around there........
Good 2 see you Mike.
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: Mikelj5S230 on June 28, 2022, 04:08:17 PM
Thanks Biggie, same here.....
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: Mikelj5S230 on June 28, 2022, 10:07:38 PM
I really do wonder what Pete thinks about this auction and price......
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on June 29, 2022, 12:15:50 AM
Quote from: Bigfoot on June 28, 2022, 02:52:03 PM
What an insane bid for a car that's been totaled. Fenders, 1/4's and floors to start with. That's ok for a race car but would scare away your average buyer of a vehicle like this one.
I can only imagine how bad the car was given the heavy rust pitting on the rear axle.
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on June 29, 2022, 12:46:35 AM
Quote from: Bigfoot on June 28, 2022, 02:52:03 PM
What an insane bid for a car that's been totaled. Fenders, 1/4's and floors to start with. That's ok for a race car but would scare away your average buyer of a vehicle like this one.
C'mon.  This was not an insane bid, it was more then likely just a case of shill bidding.  The seller lists his car for $99 with a $180k reserve and has his buddy bid it up to $179k hoping that a fish will bid $180k on it.  Unfortunately there is no fish out there so the car doesn't sell and it only cost $99 bucks to list it.   The $179k "bidder" doesn't need to follow through and in the end, he isn't out one cent.  Gimme a break.  It happens all the time at Mecum and other auction sites out there.

QSS
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: Coralsnake on June 29, 2022, 07:57:59 AM
Okay, since you asked 😉

I understand my opinion means diddly squat and there are people that have a lot more disposable income than I can personally relate to.

I think the seller unknowingly open a can of worms by disclosing the prior accident and rust repairs. Its a dilemma many sellers have struggled with. This was compounded by the fact there was only one owner, so they couldn't claim ignorance .

Having said all that, I dont think the auction was manipulated based on other BaT activity. I agree about the rear axle housing being a pretty good tell of previous condition. The 179k bid was more than fair in my estimation. Although its hard to evaluate workmanship and repair work from the photos.

The blue KR and the green one coming should be interesting and give us some more context.

One other note, I refuse to fall into the trap of arguing with those on that site who dont have the best interests of the marque in mind. They instead want to make uninformed comments about certain years being "better" than others.

I stopped punching out of the heavy weight class years ago and they can squabble amongst themselves.

Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: shelbymann1970 on June 29, 2022, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on June 29, 2022, 12:15:50 AM
Quote from: Bigfoot on June 28, 2022, 02:52:03 PM
What an insane bid for a car that's been totaled. Fenders, 1/4's and floors to start with. That's ok for a race car but would scare away your average buyer of a vehicle like this one.
I can only imagine how bad the car was given the heavy rust pitting on the rear axle.
I actually had a 68 Shelby that was extremely solid that had a heavily pitted rear end(whole car media blasted and a painted shell when I bought it) that sat from the mid 70s until my friend had it blasted around 1990 here in Mi. 
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: shelbymann1970 on June 29, 2022, 09:11:35 AM
Quote from: Bigfoot on June 28, 2022, 02:52:03 PM
What an insane bid for a car that's been totaled. Fenders, 1/4's and floors to start with. That's ok for a race car but would scare away your average buyer of a vehicle like this one.
I talked to the high bidder by phone the other day. He asked me a price after I pointed out many concerns I had about the car-went over it picture by picture on the concerns. I hate price giving because there are so many unknowns. I told him if he could get the car titled clear in his state he probably wouldn't be hurt at "X" price but told him he should talk to Pete about a few concerns I had FIRST. Well the bidding went much much higher. Hopefully he will find a better car for his final bid price.
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: shelbymann1970 on June 29, 2022, 09:12:44 AM
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on June 29, 2022, 12:46:35 AM
Quote from: Bigfoot on June 28, 2022, 02:52:03 PM
What an insane bid for a car that's been totaled. Fenders, 1/4's and floors to start with. That's ok for a race car but would scare away your average buyer of a vehicle like this one.
C'mon.  This was not an insane bid, it was more then likely just a case of shill bidding.  The seller lists his car for $99 with a $180k reserve and has his buddy bid it up to $179k hoping that a fish will bid $180k on it.  Unfortunately there is no fish out there so the car doesn't sell and it only cost $99 bucks to list it.   The $179k "bidder" doesn't need to follow through and in the end, he isn't out one cent.  Gimme a break.  It happens all the time at Mecum and other auction sites out there.

QSS
was NOT shill bidding on the highest bidder's bidding. Can another bid someone up to a reserve price knowing that price? It happens for sure. I'm not saying here but it has happened.
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: shelbymann1970 on June 29, 2022, 09:29:09 AM
OK here are some of my concerns: SEE pic 1 and "6". Uneven door gap at top and rubbing on bottom at Fender. At quarter uneven gaps. Seems original metal cars don't have that problem? Experts?
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: shelbymann1970 on June 29, 2022, 09:31:20 AM
Now the pass side. Should the gap on one side fender but about what you would expect on the other side top to bottom if door to quarter are relatively the same? Pass side: look at the large gap at bottom-appears to be close but larger than top. Driver's side has a good gap at top but rubs at the bottom.
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: shelbymann1970 on June 29, 2022, 09:37:47 AM
Last Pic: no straight on shots of the drivers fender/door area full. Best one below. The who alignment and varying gaps scare me. My car didn't have them with virgin metal neither did a few more I looked at from pics in auctions.
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: 5s386 on June 29, 2022, 10:23:09 AM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on June 29, 2022, 09:37:47 AM
Last Pic: no straight on shots of the drivers fender/door area full. Best one below. The who alignment and varying gaps scare me. My car didn't have them with virgin metal neither did a few more I looked at from pics in auctions.

I can see some seller (not this seller) say this about the door gaps: "Oh, it's just the door hinges needing proper alignment. It's an easy fix."
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: Mikelj5S230 on June 29, 2022, 12:38:29 PM
Thanks Pete.
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: Bigfoot on June 29, 2022, 03:38:03 PM
I like them Mopar yellow floors!
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: Mikelj5S230 on June 29, 2022, 04:16:29 PM
Right Biggie, I guess nobody knows the floors were not painted yellow or black.......as in the one up on BaT now......
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: QuickSilverShelby on June 29, 2022, 08:29:49 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on June 29, 2022, 09:12:44 AM
was NOT shill bidding on the highest bidder's bidding. Can another bid someone up to a reserve price knowing that price? It happens for sure. I'm not saying here but it has happened.
OK, I spoke in error.   I guess I've become a bit jaded due to all the crazy stuff that I've watched happen in auctions. $179k no sale on this car seems like strong money for this car. 

QSS
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: CharlesTurner on June 29, 2022, 10:46:51 PM
Quote from: 5s386 on June 29, 2022, 10:23:09 AM
I can see some seller (not this seller) say this about the door gaps: "Oh, it's just the door hinges needing proper alignment. It's an easy fix."

I normally hear "Ford just slapped them together and used whatever parts they could find"
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: Coralsnake on June 30, 2022, 05:46:34 AM
The car was sold. I hope the new owner enjoys it !
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: shelbymann1970 on June 30, 2022, 07:05:32 AM
Quote from: Coralsnake on June 30, 2022, 05:46:34 AM
The car was sold. I hope the new owner enjoys it !
He is excited  on getting it.
Title: Re: 8T02R210938-03811 on BAT
Post by: Mikelj5S230 on June 30, 2022, 11:07:41 AM
Good, lots of work left to do, it could be fun.