Wow, big number... Noticed backside is cad or zinc plated where originals are black.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/403880764716
My OPINION: I sure am glad I don't worry about concourse crap! I just like to get my NICE car out and DRIVE it.
A friend bought a set in the last year for about 2K less.
Well its "concours" and I guess I missed the connection ?
I guess you are assuming the only people that want nice parts are people building show cars ?
But, thanks for sharing ;)
The connection is. Concourse... perfect cars arnt fun and they cost too much, you got a 68, you want it concourse, then you MUST own those wheel covers! DO you put them on? How do the concourse judges know the lug nuts are concourse with out seeing them, remove the wheel covers and risk damage? Cant do that, its concourse....put it back on the trailer....WOW that was a fun....Very simple connection, when you think about it.
Say it again, glad I do not do concourse, glad I do not need to buy those wheel covers to have the best-est car. Glad I can drive a beautiful nice car. Overpriced wheel covers proves my opinion....A correct car is not a concourse car, in fact it might be a long way from that.
;)
The concours criticism comes from someone that doesn't understand it and therefore could never do it, jealousy or ignorance I am guessing ?
Personally, I agree with the club, there is a place for both show cars and driven cars.
Sometimes they turn out to be one in the same. I recall more than one concours car that also participated in the open track events at SAAC
No not really, a friend mine has a few concourse cars, that's OK, one mans opinion, that's all. If that is what you like, go with it. Stare at it. Look at it on a trailer. Nice. Buy that 6500.00 set of wheel covers...make it concourse. Enjoy.
So is it either a concourse car or a driver? Only two types? Are you sure my criticism comes from someone who does not understand? YOU are guessing. Some might call your statement, "assuming" I assume that is without "me"
My comment stated that I am glad I don't worry about concourse crap, meaning, 6500 to have the best part, so I can build my concourse car? I guess I assumed that only a person would pay that much for a set of wheel covers for a highly restored car, oops, I assumed. Again, my opinion was, not for me....$6500? Yes glad I am not into that. Just a comment.
I have lots of respect for you and the like for all your great advice that you all give people that ask, and I thank you for that. You know a ton more than I do. I just cannot justify that much money for those 4 wheel covers...My opinion.
I find concours cars fascinating and knowledge gained by this pursuit. The market prices don't shock me anymore. Everyone can do their own thing in this hobby.
Guys the term is CONCOURS. Please stop typing concourse. I will refrain from typing the defining of Concourse but can tell you it doesn't refer to car show judging. :)
Hubcaps are not only for show cars as I have a few friends here who run the hubcaps. They look cooler than the tired look of 10 spokes on a 68.
I understand 67 GT350. I like the looks of the Hubcaps on a 68 better than the 10 Spokes BUT, If were to spend $6,500 on those, I would be scared I might Ding them trying to Install them. Get a nice set for $400 or less, Polish them up and cruise. Don't see the Dings at 55MPH.
Quote from: tesgt350 on September 19, 2022, 09:09:10 AM
I understand 67 GT350. I like the looks of the Hubcaps on a 68 better than the 10 Spokes BUT, If were to spend $6,500 on those, I would be scared I might Ding them trying to Install them. Get a nice set for $400 or less, Polish them up and cruise. Don't see the Dings at 55MPH.
I'll buy all the nice sets you can find for 400 and give you 500(25 percent return). The last nice set just sold for 1500 I think almost immediately yesterday. I like the hubcaps better also.
Very hard to find the stainless cap rings that have not been mallet dented or curb rashed beyond
Repair unless you get very lucky and find some hiding somewhere. Biggest issue with caps is finding
A set of correct steel wheels....
Pat
i always thought finding pristine centers was the challenge. The pie plates are stainless, and dents can be fixed by the right person
Quote from: azdriver on September 19, 2022, 12:06:17 PM
Very hard to find the stainless cap rings that have not been mallet dented or curb rashed beyond
Repair unless you get very lucky and find some hiding somewhere. Biggest issue with caps is finding
A set of correct steel wheels....
Pat
+1
Quote from: KDunne on September 19, 2022, 01:34:46 PM
i always thought finding pristine centers was the challenge. The pie plates are stainless, and dents can be fixed by the right person
I know a guy who vacations in Florida in the winter who has a 68 . A few years back he goes to a swap meet and a guy has some 68 hubcaps. He talks to the guy and finds out he had a lot of them. I believe he bought all of them. He wouldn't say a price and I didn't ask but he said he got a great deal on them. Here is his car he drives.
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on September 19, 2022, 01:59:01 PM
Quote from: KDunne on September 19, 2022, 01:34:46 PM
i always thought finding pristine centers was the challenge. The pie plates are stainless, and dents can be fixed by the right person
I know a guy who vacations in Florida in the winter who has a 68 . A few years back he goes to a swap meet and a guy has some 68 hubcaps. He talks to the guy and finds out he had a lot of them. I believe he bought all of them. He wouldn't say a price and I didn't ask but he said he got a great deal on them. Here is his car he drives.
If he bought a lot of original Shelby hubcaps you would think that he would have seen the distinct pattern of how the right side up snake emblem lines up with the valve stem on the factory caps unlike the ones in the picture. He couldn't see the forest for the trees I guess. At least it sounds like he got a deal on some hubcaps.
Side question: Anyone ever weighed the stock wheels with hubcaps versus the 10-spokes?
I'd have to guess the 10-spokes are at least 33% lighter.
That does mean a lot if you track your car, or like fast corners, or even just enjoy better ride quality.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on September 19, 2022, 03:07:34 PM
Side question: Anyone ever weighed the stock wheels with hubcaps versus the 10-spokes?
I'd have to guess the 10-spokes are at least 33% lighter.
That does mean a lot if you track your car, or like fast corners, or even just enjoy better ride quality.
First thing is that I don't think most track venues will allow you to drive with the caps on for safety reasons of them coming off on the rack . I would hate to be doing some spirited driving on the street and have one of my now rare 68 Shelby hubcaps zing off into neverland when I went around a hard corner or came down hard after going over a rise in the road at speed.
I have weighed the 68 hubcaps, they weigh 5lb, 6oz ea. or about 21 1/2lbs for a set of 4.
Rodney
I currently do not have a bare 10 spoke to weigh. But for comparison the correct steel wheel weighs 23lb 4oz.
Rodney
KR500: Thanks for the weights.
Bob: I agree with you on the driving scenarios. And I do like the looks of the hubcaps.
I just find it kind of interesting that Shelby (Ford) would spec the cars with hubcaps that easily flew off during spirited driving.
(I do realize that other car companies had similar problems.)
Almost $600 in tax on those caps at $6500 sale price..$7169 delivered...
Pat
There are two original types. The '67 without the spacer and the '68 version with the spacer cast in.
I'd love to buy a NOS set of hubcaps for my 68 but I have looking for 10 years and I have almost given up. I don't think I'm prepared to pay $6.5k but I did consider it when I saw the ad.
QSS
Quote from: Side-Oilers on September 19, 2022, 03:40:24 PM
KR500: Thanks for the weights.
Bob: I agree with you on the driving scenarios. And I do like the looks of the hubcaps.
I just find it kind of interesting that Shelby (Ford) would spec the cars with hubcaps that easily flew off during spirited driving.
(I do realize that other car companies had similar problems.)
Right I don't think they came off any easier then other Ford or Brand X hubcaps did. At least I have never heard of anything like that.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on September 19, 2022, 03:00:44 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on September 19, 2022, 01:59:01 PM
Quote from: KDunne on September 19, 2022, 01:34:46 PM
i always thought finding pristine centers was the challenge. The pie plates are stainless, and dents can be fixed by the right person
I know a guy who vacations in Florida in the winter who has a 68 . A few years back he goes to a swap meet and a guy has some 68 hubcaps. He talks to the guy and finds out he had a lot of them. I believe he bought all of them. He wouldn't say a price and I didn't ask but he said he got a great deal on them. Here is his car he drives.
If he bought a lot of original Shelby hubcaps you would think that he would have seen the distinct pattern of how the right side up snake emblem lines up with the valve stem on the factory caps unlike the ones in the picture. He couldn't see the forest for the trees I guess. At least it sounds like he got a deal on some hubcaps.
Bob, here are some original hub caps. I don't see a distinct pattern. Do these have the pattern you are talking about?
The base of the snake should be directly over the valve stem hole. If not, they likely been refurbished in some way or another way to explain it is a vertical line drawn through the center of the snake points directly to the valve stem hole. The emblems were originally indexed
Those damn "concourse" guys screw everything up for the normal guys, lol 😂
Welcome to advanced hubcap class !
In looking at the hubcaps it seems like it would be very difficult to access the backside of the rims section to repair dents. Much more difficult than a windshield molding for example.
Pat
Its not cheap and its usually cheaper to find better stainless rims, but it can be done
Did they actually sell? Remember, asking price is one thing, getting your asking price is another.
Not sold -price was lowered
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 20, 2022, 07:06:53 AM
The base of the snake should be directly over the valve stem hole. If not, they likely been refurbished in some way or another way to explain it is a vertical line drawn through the center of the snake points directly to the valve stem hole. The emblems were originally indexed
Those damn "concourse" guys screw everything up for the normal guys, lol 😂
Welcome to advanced hubcap class !
those hubcaps I had the center emblems and the caps themselves had 40 years of patina in my book when I got them. I believe some not shown are indexed but don't have all my pics on this CPU of those old hubcaps. Maybe they were assembled Friday after lunch or Monday morning? ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Bob Gaines on September 19, 2022, 08:45:02 PM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on September 19, 2022, 03:40:24 PM
KR500: Thanks for the weights.
Bob: I agree with you on the driving scenarios. And I do like the looks of the hubcaps.
I just find it kind of interesting that Shelby (Ford) would spec the cars with hubcaps that easily flew off during spirited driving.
(I do realize that other car companies had similar problems.)
Right I don't think they came off any easier then other Ford or Brand X hubcaps did. At least I have never heard of anything like that.
I do recall a service bulletin that suggested that the wheel/tire/hub cap be balanced as a unit?
I think Chevy had an issue with the Corvette hubcaps at one point as well and recommended the same procedure?
OK, I may know where thing or two about hubcaps. First of the concours issue, who says you can't drive a Concours car and who says people don't? If you Google a recent thread about the historically accurate GT 350 you'll see a car with hubcaps that was regularly driven right up to the point where it was sold a couple weeks ago. oh and by the way I didn't spend $7000 for the hubcaps
Yes as you put in all capitals it is your opinion but your opinion is not the only one that matters. If people want to drive their cars or steer their cars or like their cars on fire it's up to them
On the hubcap issue I can tell you firsthand finding good centers is by far the hardest thing to do.
I played to relatively easy as long as they're not totally trash
Also I have a set of an OS hubcaps. I'll take less than $7000 for them
Quote from: Bob Gaines on September 19, 2022, 03:23:12 PM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on September 19, 2022, 03:07:34 PM
Side question: Anyone ever weighed the stock wheels with hubcaps versus the 10-spokes?
I'd have to guess the 10-spokes are at least 33% lighter.
That does mean a lot if you track your car, or like fast corners, or even just enjoy better ride quality.
First thing is that I don't think most track venues will allow you to drive with the caps on for safety reasons of them coming off on the rack . I would hate to be doing some spirited driving on the street and have one of my now rare 68 Shelby hubcaps zing off into neverland when I went around a hard corner or came down hard after going over a rise in the road at speed.
I don't think that you would want to do a high speed event with them on? At least one would launch off and hopefully not kill an innocent bystander! It does kind of resembled a UFO?
It is just not possible that actual wheel movement and adherence to that wheel in motion was EVER an engineering consideration with them? That's just a fantasy football type of thinking.
Looks like they stay on pretty well 8)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OrEL2OQkvOY
That video is a bit grainy but starting at 1.45 to 2.00 the center caps are visibly aligned with the valve stems with the coiled base closest to the stem. What do you guys see?
Quote from: trotrof1 on September 20, 2022, 03:02:23 PM
That video is a bit grainy but starting at 1.45 to 2.00 the center caps are visibly aligned with the valve stems with the coiled base closest to the stem. What do you guys see?
What I see is how the snake emblems typically come clocked on the hubcaps from the factory. No surprises.
On the concours issue, I agree with Tim. Many of these cars are driven. In fact part of the requirement for judging at the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance is a 17 mile road trip through the countryside. And not just Shelbys and other cars of that era, were talking million dollar Duesenberg's and multimillion dollar vintage Ferraris.
Most owners enjoy showing their cars, but also enjoy driving them.
Sorry, didn't mean to stray off topic. ;D
I know a little something about SAAC concours. It is usual procedure if an owner takes the decision to drive his vehicle this is done after judging .
It would be highly unusual to drive the car before and most likely detrimental to your score.
It is however not correct to say they are pushed on and off trailers and never driven or concours is only for rich people.
Not unusual in this case. Cars are driven before judging and in the case of a tie the driven cars will be given higher consideration than those not driven.
MCA has(had) classes concours driven and concours trailered. Both you get knocked down the same for incorrectness but there was some leeway for driving? I can't remember but maybe bugs in radiator or a chip? Either way I drove my car to the 2003 MCA meet in Dearborn(25 miles) and tried to enter in trailered but they said since it was driven it would be in the driven class. Scored a gold(685 out of 700) and have been driving my car since. Never owned a trailer.
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 18, 2022, 06:30:24 PM
;)
The concours criticism comes from someone that doesn't understand it and therefore could never do it, jealousy or ignorance I am guessing ?
Personally, I agree with the club, there is a place for both show cars and driven cars.
Sometimes they turn out to be one in the same. I recall more than one concours car that also participated in the open track events at SAAC
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
??? Look at what those "Concourse" guys are doing now!!!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/403880764716?hash=item5e092b652c:g:X2YAAOSwJZVjHj-q&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoIyWNVbtA9hcoX%2BkEGCzel0A2BeWkUip8ioDJ3u9d54PPDImWt4jjJjK2Zitzv6kffR6zTIfmrSOWZkzFUk1Eiq583%2FTqhVaI19OYJIzDQkkff6KHamsEdgTIpcPWjtfCwpZfRs3ZvAJoumTZN%2B%2BY8OfgKplagn5O8tnhrbSmt2OUGybw1k35To4mak6huqoNTwuKONBNlA%2F3pT2DFsDZRY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6zfqc3sYA
Quote from: Coralsnake on September 22, 2022, 06:55:44 AM
??? Look at what those "Concourse" guys are doing now!!!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/403880764716?hash=item5e092b652c:g:X2YAAOSwJZVjHj-q&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoIyWNVbtA9hcoX%2BkEGCzel0A2BeWkUip8ioDJ3u9d54PPDImWt4jjJjK2Zitzv6kffR6zTIfmrSOWZkzFUk1Eiq583%2FTqhVaI19OYJIzDQkkff6KHamsEdgTIpcPWjtfCwpZfRs3ZvAJoumTZN%2B%2BY8OfgKplagn5O8tnhrbSmt2OUGybw1k35To4mak6huqoNTwuKONBNlA%2F3pT2DFsDZRY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6zfqc3sYA
I think the seller is reading this topic and put a "Strange" price tag on them. I've seen that on parts before.