https://www.copart.com/lot/62357692/1968-ford-shelby-fl-punta-gorda-south
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I see a acid bath, an alkaline bath, and then a rust-inhibitor bath in this cars future.
Bill
Asking price little high? Have to do a lot on this car! For the price.
I think that is just an estimate. Its an auction
What does the bible say about the paxton ?
White case is right for that era , but who put it on?
John
There were no factory 1968 GT350s with Paxtons.
My GT350 68 with Paxton. Not factory!
Quote from: Harris Speedster on October 16, 2022, 01:08:40 PM
What does the bible say about the paxton ?
White case is right for that era , but who put it on?
John
This car, per the last registry, has been under the SAAC radar for quite some time.
Originally sold by Morristown Ford in NJ
Bill S.
On Copart the Est. Retail Value: Is what the insurance paid off to it's customer.
Well, I think I would have kept it for that price :-\
Well if the estimated retail price is 85K according to copart I'd think the car was worth much much more BEFORE the flood.
Quote from: 1969shelbygt350 on October 16, 2022, 12:29:41 PM
Asking price little high? Have to do a lot on this car! For the price.
That is what they Estimated the Cars Value BEBORE the Damage happened.
Its what they paid out to the owner as stated above. Nothing to do with its actual value. I dont think you can buy a convertible under $100,000
On the upside-maybe just remove the seats, carpet etc. (something you'd probably want to do for cleaning anyway)-let it dry out over the winter while you pick away at the engine-put it back together and enjoy it next Spring. It looks original enough to just leave alone imo. But, admittedly, the pics. and description are lacking which is why you take a trip or pay someone to inspect. I could not locate the auction date?
No auction date yet. Copart takes pictures when the car comes to the lot. Now we have to wait for all the proper ownership paper work to get processed for Copart to sell. If the owner decides he want to retain the salvage before he settle his claim with his insurance. It will disappear from auction site. Insurance company's have free storage at Copart as the claims are being processed.
If the salt water got to it, you are going to have salt in all the seams, inside the frame rails, rockers, seat pans, etc. Imagine the damage to things like the radio and wiring connectors. Not to mention the engine...
It really needs to go to bare steel and be neutralized as soon as possible.
There is a lot you can save, but its not going to be cheap.
Easy peasy formula:
Salt water + metal (iron, stainless, brass etc/all) = toast
Salt water intrusion is the worst enemy, no matter what any one does to attempt to negate, you will be dealing with its corrosive results for the rest of your life.
As the Beatles would say:
"Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be .... Whisper words of wisdom, let it be"
Sounds like then someone underinsured their car then. 80K in a hurricane zone? Not very smart... And ask Bill if you should just dry out the interior. There is more to cleaning up a flood damaged car than just drying it out especially with bacteria it has been subject to. Not only that was it salt water?
Quote from: FL SAAC on October 17, 2022, 02:36:07 PM
Easy peasy formula:
Salt water + metal (iron, stainless, brass etc/all) = toast
Salt water intrusion is the worst enemy, no matter what any one does to attempt to negate, you will be dealing with its corrosive results for the rest of your life.
As the Beatles would say:
"Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be .... Whisper words of wisdom, let it be"
A chem strip will get rid of any salt problems but you know what that means... Then take all the other components...
This Jag is coming up this Friday......................
https://www.copart.com/lot/61528792/salvage-1956-jaguar-xk140-fl-punta-gorda-south
If I figure it right on the site, that White piece of Tape on the Door with the Yellow Line indicates the Water Line.
Pictures aren't very good to determine how bad the flood damage was. NJ car could have already had rust repair in the past.
Here is a Hurricane thought to ponder........... You have 3 or 4 Vehicles but just 2 Drivers in the Family.......... Would you toss the keys to your other Vehicles to one or two of your Neighbors to drive them to safety or to where THEY were going, to get away from the Hurricane? Seeing all these flooded Cars has me wondering why they just left them behind.
Salt damage won't matter to the next owner. If he pays 85 it'll get a quick wash/wax new interior patched together engine/trans and be off to Barrett Jackson in a heartbeat. 2-3 owners down the line will be wondering why their car is disappearing before their eyes.
There is not enough room at 85 to spend another 60-70 to do it right.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on October 17, 2022, 04:00:32 PM
Salt damage won't matter to the next owner. If he pays 85 it'll get a quick wash/wax new interior patched together engine/trans and be off to Barrett Jackson in a heartbeat. 2-3 owners down the line will be wondering why their car is disappearing before their eyes.
There is not enough room at 85 to spend another 60-70 to do it right.
yep it will be hosed out and detailed and flipped
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on October 17, 2022, 03:02:08 PM
And ask Bill if you should just dry out the interior. There is more to cleaning up a flood damaged car than just drying it out especially with bacteria it has been subject to. Not only that was it salt water?
I cannot stress that enough, the bacteria covering every surface, in every crack and crevice, deeply embedded into anything porous, can not only make you terribly sick when breathed in, but if you cut yourself on such a surface, and do not take care of it immediately, can be absorbed into your bloodstream, and kill you from the inside out.
Bill
Quote from: Bill on October 17, 2022, 09:59:15 PM
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on October 17, 2022, 03:02:08 PM
And ask Bill if you should just dry out the interior. There is more to cleaning up a flood damaged car than just drying it out especially with bacteria it has been subject to. Not only that was it salt water?
I cannot stress that enough, the bacteria covering every surface, in every crack and crevice, deeply embedded into anything porous, can not only make you terribly sick when breathed in, but if you cut yourself on such a surface, and do not take care of it immediately, can be absorbed into your bloodstream, and kill you from the inside out.
Bill
Bacteremia or sepsis
Quote from: tesgt350 on October 17, 2022, 03:38:35 PM
Here is a Hurricane thought to ponder........... You have 3 or 4 Vehicles but just 2 Drivers in the Family.......... Would you toss the keys to your other Vehicles to one or two of your Neighbors to drive them to safety or to where THEY were going, to get away from the Hurricane? Seeing all these flooded Cars has me wondering why they just left them behind.
With out a doubt, turn it into an event like the film Rat Race
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on October 17, 2022, 04:00:32 PM
Salt damage won't matter to the next owner. If he pays 85 it'll get a quick wash/wax new interior patched together engine/trans and be off to Barrett Jackson in a heartbeat. 2-3 owners down the line will be wondering why their car is disappearing before their eyes.
There is not enough room at 85 to spend another 60-70 to do it right.
By golly it's was just there a minute ago.....
Quote from: Bill on October 17, 2022, 09:59:15 PMI cannot stress that enough, the bacteria covering every surface, in every crack and crevice, deeply embedded into anything porous, can not only make you terribly sick when breathed in, but if you cut yourself on such a surface, and do not take care of it immediately, can be absorbed into your bloodstream, and kill you from the inside out.
Which is why I said NEW interior. It's cheaper than trying to clean and reuse the damaged stuff. I had a friend who used an ozone generator to clean out the smells in cars he flipped. He had a bad one and left it on all night it destroyed the stitching in the seats.
Quote from: Coralsnake on October 17, 2022, 01:29:30 PM
If the salt water got to it, you are going to have salt in all the seams, inside the frame rails, rockers, seat pans, etc. Imagine the damage to things like the radio and wiring connectors. Not to mention the engine...
It really needs to go to bare steel and be neutralized as soon as possible.
There is a lot you can save, but its not going to be cheap.
Pete. Do you think the salt could ever be well enough neutralised in the shell to make it so it won't creep out in years/months to come? My friend was looking at a convertible that was a recent flood car. 38 inches of salt water! and I said in my opinion it was done.
Just wondering your thoughts. Cheers. Peter
I dont have enough experience but if you chemically stripped it I would think the chemicals could get in the same areas?
I recall some previous hurricane cars, from years ago, it would be interior to do a follow up
Quote from: pmustang on October 18, 2022, 03:33:35 AM
Quote from: Coralsnake on October 17, 2022, 01:29:30 PM
If the salt water got to it, you are going to have salt in all the seams, inside the frame rails, rockers, seat pans, etc. Imagine the damage to things like the radio and wiring connectors. Not to mention the engine...
It really needs to go to bare steel and be neutralized as soon as possible.
There is a lot you can save, but its not going to be cheap.
Pete. Do you think the salt could ever be well enough neutralised in the shell to make it so it won't creep out in years/months to come? My friend was looking at a convertible that was a recent flood car. 38 inches of salt water! and I said in my opinion it was done.
Just wondering your thoughts. Cheers. Peter
While not Pete, but having dealt with plenty of fresh and salt water flood cars while I still owned my shop in the northeast, I can tell you with a complete tear down, and a three part immersion process, that yes, you can neutralize the progressive and future damage of the contaminated water currently attacking the car as it sits, essentially a petri dish, galvanic, chemically, and biologically. Hard and soft parts not able to be chemically treated (interior parts, plastics, fiberglass, etc) can be treated with commercial grade Ozone systems (what hospitals used to use for full room treatment to kill bacteria/germs), then flushed/cleaned with fresh water and soap products, before once more treated with Ozone. Wiring harnesses, plan to replace them all, as water wicks it's way inside and will eat it's way through like a cancer. In fact, for the prospective buyer, I'd suggest at least a full 24 treatment of Ozone on the interior before any tear down is started. Maybe even bag (or place in a small, fully enclosed shelter) the entire car and do this for 48 hours as a safety measure. No matter what the uninitiated people will tell you, you cannot be too safe in this type of situation.
Bill
Bill, thanks for your expertise on this subject. What is scary is that some will not do it right and it could kill or make an owner down the road very sick. That is why the history of cars are so important.
Bill and Peter, Thank you very much, I have always wondered about this. Excellent replies. Thank you once again. Peter in the UK
When Don Whittington accidentally ditched his P-51 off the beach near Galveston in 1990. They immediately upon salvaging the airframe out of the salt water rented a local swimming pool and started dilligent and judicial rinsing of the fuselage and wings in the fresh water of the pool. From what I was told they drained and refilled the pool around three times while rinsing.
John
Folks, real simple :
Salt Water = Permanent Damage
Quote from: FL SAAC on October 18, 2022, 06:10:35 PM
Folks, real simple :
Salt Water = Permanent Damage
Sorry, that is incorrect information, if you had only read the on topic information above, from those of us with hands on experience with such things, you would not have bothered to respond with such nonsense. ::)
Bill
Quote from: Bill on October 18, 2022, 07:16:31 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC on October 18, 2022, 06:10:35 PM
Folks, real simple :
Salt Water = Permanent Damage
Sorry, that is incorrect information, if you had only read the on topic information above, from those of us with hands on experience with such things, you would not have bothered to respond with such nonsense. ::)
Bill
I did read it.
But having lived all my life near the ocean, I can honestly say that no snake oil or voodoo potion will negate the salt waters progression on metal.
Maybe if you use Palmolive you know it's tough on grease ( Maybe on salt also) soft on your hands
Actually go to any 7-11 cstore they carry a hurricane car clean up kit, it's one bottle of Palmolive, one little tree air freshener and one for sale sign...
Quote from: FL SAAC on October 18, 2022, 07:45:23 PM
Quote from: Bill on October 18, 2022, 07:16:31 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC on October 18, 2022, 06:10:35 PM
Folks, real simple :
Salt Water = Permanent Damage
Sorry, that is incorrect information, if you had only read the on topic information above, from those of us with hands on experience with such things, you would not have bothered to respond with such nonsense. ::)
Bill
I did read it.
But having lived all my life near the ocean, I can honestly say that no snake oil or voodoo potion will negate the salt waters progression on metal.
I'll post that following short video that shows the process for the body, for those not so educated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll6XRz7Z0PM6
Bill
Quote from: Bill on October 18, 2022, 09:10:39 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC on October 18, 2022, 07:45:23 PM
Quote from: Bill on October 18, 2022, 07:16:31 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC on October 18, 2022, 06:10:35 PM
Sorry, that is incorrect information, if you had only read the on topic information above, from those of us with hands on experience with such things, you would not have bothered to respond with such nonsense. ::)
Bill
I'll post that following short video that shows the process for the body, for those not so educated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll6XRz7Z0PM6
Bill
Fantabulous news Billy!
May I recommend you apply as a senior consultant to the big insurance agencies.
Imagine that about 3K to solve this salt water intrusion issue wow !
But this is what others say about this issue:
Even with a tremendous amount of time and effort, you likely won't be able to get into every little crevice. However, the more you can do to stop salt in its tracks the longer your car will last.
Stop That Salt: How to minimize damage to your classic - Hagerty Media
https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-and-tech/stop-that-salt/#:~:text=Any%20car%20that%27s%20been%20fully,is%20also%20a%20big%20help.
AND
The answer is that a flooded car can be salvaged depending on what type of water it was submerged in. If it was submerged in saltwater, it is probably best suited for the junkyard because saltwater is corrosive and can wreak havoc on the mechanical parts of the car as well as the car's interior.
Can a flooded car be fixed or saved? - nj.com
https://www.nj.com/weather/2021/09/can-a-flooded-car-be-fixed-or-saved.html
I would still stick to the 7-11 cstore hurricane car clean up kit, it's one bottle of Palmolive, one little tree air freshener and one for sale sign...
More cost effective, adios
I don't think you can neutralize salt - only removal works.
The aircraft industry has ACF-50 it's not cheap but it will get into the tight areas and stop corrosion.
https://learchem.com/products/acf-50.html
Rusting occurs on surfaces of iron and its alloys. Corrosion requires surface exposure to air or chemicals. Rusting requires surface exposure to both air and moisture.
The ACF-50 blocks both air and moisture from getting to the steel. Salt acts as an accelerator to the corrosion. WD-40 will also work but turns gummy and is not as thin as the ACF-50 so it doesn't get as deep into the seams.
Quote from: FL SAAC on October 18, 2022, 09:33:43 PM
I'll post that following short video that shows the process for the body, for those not so educated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll6XRz7Z0PM6
Bill
troll away little Tony, troll away
Quote from: FL SAAC on October 18, 2022, 09:33:43 PM
Quote from: Bill on October 18, 2022, 09:10:39 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC on October 18, 2022, 07:45:23 PM
Quote from: Bill on October 18, 2022, 07:16:31 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC on October 18, 2022, 06:10:35 PM
Sorry, that is incorrect information, if you had only read the on topic information above, from those of us with hands on experience with such things, you would not have bothered to respond with such nonsense. ::)
Bill
I'll post that following short video that shows the process for the body, for those not so educated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll6XRz7Z0PM6
Bill
Fantabulous news Billy!
May I recommend you apply as a senior consultant to the big insurance agencies.
Imagine that about 3K to solve this salt water intrusion issue wow !
But this is what others say about this issue:
Even with a tremendous amount of time and effort, you likely won't be able to get into every little crevice. However, the more you can do to stop salt in its tracks the longer your car will last.
Stop That Salt: How to minimize damage to your classic - Hagerty Media
https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-and-tech/stop-that-salt/#:~:text=Any%20car%20that%27s%20been%20fully,is%20also%20a%20big%20help.
AND
The answer is that a flooded car can be salvaged depending on what type of water it was submerged in. If it was submerged in saltwater, it is probably best suited for the junkyard because saltwater is corrosive and can wreak havoc on the mechanical parts of the car as well as the car's interior.
Can a flooded car be fixed or saved? - nj.com
https://www.nj.com/weather/2021/09/can-a-flooded-car-be-fixed-or-saved.html
I would still stick to the 7-11 cstore hurricane car clean up kit, it's one bottle of Palmolive, one little tree air freshener and one for sale sign...
More cost effective, adios
Chemical stripping processes are used all the time to neutralize metal and get rid of rust and contaminants. So are you saying in chemical dipping of metals when done the salt will still be there and keep rusting the metal? SMH on this one Tony. Maybe you need to do some reading ::) https://www.armorvci.com/news/industrial-rust-removal-acids-and-water-based-solutions-explained/
Tony said: Even with a tremendous amount of time and effort, you likely won't be able to get into every little crevice. However, the more you can do to stop salt in its tracks the longer your car will last. So lets see salt WATER can get into every crevice but a chemical solution cannot? Cars don't rust in a day or week from salt. I have lived in the salt belt my whole life and know the "rusting process" so if a car was flood damaged whether salt water or non salt water it takes time for the process to work. Chem stripping will eliminate all that salt and any rust that has been already there after stripping but the car has to be taken apart. Feel free to disagree with science as its a free world. Many do every day.
Not in my thread...
Its very unfortunate this problem hasnt been taken care of yet.
:'(