For you late model Shelbyers......Just curious, which of these two would be the better one to collect. OFF LEASE AUTO in Florida has two 2019 Shelby's. One is an SAI Shelby GT and the other is a Ford Shelby GT 350. Both have really low Miles.
https://www.offleaseonly.com/used-cars-/Ford/2019-Ford-Mustang-58e73caf0a0e0a947bffad4567f7ea40.htm
https://www.offleaseonly.com/select/Ford/2019-Ford-Mustang-6842c6aa0a0e0a9455f25f921e01ad9a.htm
easy choice the black c.s.m. supercharged car for $49k
the other is a facsimile from ford over priced at $64k
definetly would get a carfax or equivalent to see what damage either car has suffered in its short life span, plus take it and put it up on a lift to further inspect
danger Will Robinson danger
IMHO - neither is "collectable" they are both production cars. One limited production factory built and the other modified post production. Rarity and history don't enter the equation. The damage history would eliminate one for me. It might be fixed correctly but it's damaged goods that will always carry a penalty at resale. Being these are new "Shelby" cars there would probably be more insight to their following and worth on the Team Shelby website.
Car & Driver = The Shelby GT Is a Shelbyfied Ford Mustang GT. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a22761807/shelby-gt-gt-h-mustang-ford-2019/
Just some aftermarket add ons installed at SAI. No real performance/development work by SA --- Compared with the Mustang GT, the Shelby GT gets an estimated 480 horsepower which comes courtesy of a Borla cat-back exhaust system. Stiffer springs and anti-roll bars from the Ford Performance catalog also are included. Shelby's own 20-inch wheels and tires round out the mechanical changes.
GT350 = True factory performance car with limited production and many factory developed tweaks. https://www.ford.com/performance/gt350/
I'd spend my $ on the GT350 and enjoy driving it. Just keep in mind that it was completely developed by SVT and badged to help with sales.
" None of the newer cars has made any historical record and lives on the history of their ancestors. I'd liken them to 2nd or 3rd generation wealth where the children and grand children live off the good name and money their ancestor created."
You can justify anything to be "collectible" . Many associate "collectible" as something that will increase in value as time goes by. Unlike the 05/06 Ford GT's the late Model Shelby's typically are still depreciating and not appreciating in value. The values are different but it is hard to say which will depreciate faster between the two samples. They may never appreciate in value. There are too many of them is one reason . Just my opinion .Others may have a different one.
I'm completely biased, ;), but would lean towards the GT350 which is a factory built track focused car with many unique features and parts, most notably the flat plane crank Voodoo engine.
Not saying this has anything to do with future collectability, but prices are quite strong for all the S550 platform GT350's, especially starting in 2020 when they stopped production. Low mileage and low production versions like the 2015's and 2020 Heritage edition are often selling at or above their original MSRP. This chart is from Classic.com and does not include the GT350R's which are selling even higher. Many owners on the Mustang 6G forum have reported selling their cars for more than they paid.
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Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 01, 2022, 03:36:50 PM
You can justify anything to be "collectible" . Many associate "collectible" as something that will increase in value as time goes by. Unlike the 05/06 Ford GT's the late Model Shelby's typically are still depreciating and not appreciating in value. The values are different but it is hard to say which will depreciate faster between the two samples. They may never appreciate in value. There are too many of them is one reason . Just my opinion .Others may have a different one.
This^^^^ The 05-06 Ford GT is
collectable expensive due to rarity and being a very limited "you had to know someone to get one car" aprox 4,000 were made. During the 2015-19 GT350 run there have been over 21,000 produced. There will be some GT350s that are "collectable" - the R is an easy pick but for a street one it'll be those that still have the plastic on the seats and show under 50 miles on the clock. Both of which extensive driving will kill the value.
I'm a late model Shelbyer, with a 2019 GT350. It's a driver with 19,000 miles on it - 1400 of which were accumulated at HPDE events. My dealer is aware of my shenanigans.
I did have a problem this summer with my 5th gear, which my local dealership repaired. While there, a salesman and I were discussing the high-end Mach E. For grins, I asked him what he'd give me for the GT350 in trade. He offered $2K more than I paid for it 3 1/2 years ago.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on December 01, 2022, 07:13:15 PM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on December 01, 2022, 03:36:50 PM
You can justify anything to be "collectible" . Many associate "collectible" as something that will increase in value as time goes by. Unlike the 05/06 Ford GT's the late Model Shelby's typically are still depreciating and not appreciating in value. The values are different but it is hard to say which will depreciate faster between the two samples. They may never appreciate in value. There are too many of them is one reason . Just my opinion .Others may have a different one.
This^^^^ The 05-06 Ford GT is collectable expensive due to rarity and being a very limited "you had to know someone to get one car" aprox 4,000 were made. During the 2015-19 GT350 run there have been over 21,000 produced. There will be some GT350s that are "collectable" - the R is an easy pick but for a street one it'll be those that still have the plastic on the seats and show under 50 miles on the clock. Both of which extensive driving will kill the value.
I am in agreement with most of what you said. Yes there are anomolies like some of the R models and others kept in pristine no or low miles condition. The 05 and 06 Ford GT you were available to buy on dealer floors after the first flurry of introduction in 05. More so the 06 then the 05. Sticker was a deal if you could get it. That is where I bought my 06 locally for sticker. The 2016-22 on the other hand you had to know someone /Ford accepted to be able to buy. The 05/06 started appreciating shortly after production stopped. The 2016 up appreciated after the 2 year mandatory owner hold back. I meant to have added to my previous post that one should buy the late model Shelby's because they liked them and not because of monetary gain because you may be disappointed..
as i had previously posted in October of this year, this 2015 Shelby 350R #15 with 485 miles sold for $300,000
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on December 01, 2022, 03:22:26 PM
IMHO - neither is "collectable" they are both production cars. One limited production factory built and the other modified post production. Rarity and history don't enter the equation. The damage history would eliminate one for me. It might be fixed correctly but it's damaged goods that will always carry a penalty at resale. Being these are new "Shelby" cars there would probably be more insight to their following and worth on the Team Shelby website.
Car & Driver = The Shelby GT Is a Shelbyfied Ford Mustang GT. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a22761807/shelby-gt-gt-h-mustang-ford-2019/
Just some aftermarket add ons installed at SAI. No real performance/development work by SA --- Compared with the Mustang GT, the Shelby GT gets an estimated 480 horsepower which comes courtesy of a Borla cat-back exhaust system. Stiffer springs and anti-roll bars from the Ford Performance catalog also are included. Shelby's own 20-inch wheels and tires round out the mechanical changes.
GT350 = True factory performance car with limited production and many factory developed tweaks. https://www.ford.com/performance/gt350/
I'd spend my $ on the GT350 and enjoy driving it. Just keep in mind that it was completely developed by SVT and badged to help with sales.
So are the 1965 to 1967 Shelby Mustangs.
Quote from: tesgt350 on November 30, 2022, 09:30:38 PM
For you late model Shelbyers......Just curious, which of these two would be the better one to collect. OFF LEASE AUTO in Florida has two 2019 Shelby's. One is an SAI Shelby GT and the other is a Ford Shelby GT 350. Both have really low Miles.
https://www.offleaseonly.com/used-cars-/Ford/2019-Ford-Mustang-58e73caf0a0e0a947bffad4567f7ea40.htm
https://www.offleaseonly.com/select/Ford/2019-Ford-Mustang-6842c6aa0a0e0a9455f25f921e01ad9a.htm
You need to clarify why you want to collect either or?
For the joy of driving it, then the Shelby GT 350 is the better driver of the two.
Or
For the potential future value, in which case, neither, unless you are talking about the value to your grandchildren 30-40 years down the road. Of course that too would depend on how they are stored, and whether such cars will be looked upon as antiques, or recyclables since there will no longer be fuel available to drive them.
Your money, you want to buy, buy them both if you can afford them, then do as I do and take each of the cars in my current garage out whenever you can.
Bill
Quote from: tesgt350 on December 02, 2022, 08:59:09 AM
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on December 01, 2022, 03:22:26 PM
they are both production cars.
So are the 1965 to 1967 Shelby Mustangs.
Not true. Shelby American is listed as the manufacturer of those cars. They were assembled at SA from parts ("knock down" was the term for the incomplete car) supplied from Ford. The numbers Ford stamped on them was for accounting not to issue a Manufacturers Statement of Origin (MSO). Those came from Shelby American. They had a SA assigned and installed VIN and were warrantied by SA. SA is also the manufacturer of the Cobra not AC Cars - or Kirkham today.
Quote from: Jim Herrud on December 01, 2022, 10:26:27 PM
It's a driver with 19,000 miles on it - 1400 of which were accumulated at HPDE events. My dealer is aware of my shenanigans.
I asked him what he'd give me for the GT350 in trade. He offered $2K more than I paid for it 3 1/2 years ago.
It would seem this scenario of the elevated values of used cars is a sign of the times, and perhaps not just due to it's own merits of collectability; but if one bought the car with thought that the value of the collectability was going to stay-off depreciation and lend this vehicle to recouping a greater sum of it's purchase cost when something else comes along (aka. a cheap-ride, at least monetarily 8)) ...........well, I would say, now's the time! ;)
As far as a vehicle from the last decade or so and the value of collectability, along with the other subjects brought forth by others, there is also the subject of 'time'. ???
Generally, but with a few exceptions, there is a chronological timeline period required for a vehicle to migrate through it's stations of being; from a new car to a used one, then somewhere in this unpretentious state if it manages to survive relatively unscathed and then down the road somewhere in time the populus happens to acquire an interest, and if that fancy proves great enough to outstrip the availability, it may begin to ascend in value. All of this being obvious, but my point is 'time', the time it's going to take for all this to happen; and I think many individuals here might want to look in the mirror and ask yourself: how much more time do I have? :o
Then of course, whether your investment vehicle even manages to get to that point, as remember the powers to be have a plan for our future which does seem to include these vehicles! ::)
Scott.
Quote from: pbf777 on December 02, 2022, 12:34:48 PM.......there is a chronological timeline period required for a vehicle to migrate through it's stations of being; from a new car to a used one, then somewhere in this unpretentious state if it manages to survive relatively unscathed and then down the road somewhere in time the populus happens to acquire an interest, and if that fancy proves great enough to outstrip the availability, it may begin to ascend in value. .......
There is also a peak where those cars begin to lose value as the collector base ages out. Most car collectors buy cars they had or wanted in their youth. The Model T and Model A are currently 2 cars that are losing value. There is a nice T Phaeton on Craigs list for $8,000 - been sitting 11 years. The family is selling it. 20 years ago it would have brought 2-3 times that value. I paid $15 for an A a couple months ago. about 6,000 miles on the restoration. Top quality stuff on a very good rust free car. Has all the trouble free driver upgrades - syncro trans, overdrive, real bearings in the engine, alternator (still 6 volt), pressure radiator, 16" wheels with period looking radials, etc. 5 years ago it would have been 20-25 grand.