Link to auction: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-ford-shelby-gt350/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-ford-shelby-gt350/)
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Description:
This 1965 Shelby Mustang GT350 is chassis number SFM5S208, one of 504 street production examples built for the model year, and was first invoiced to Hi-Performance Motors of Los Angeles, California, on July 26, 1965. It was then shipped aboard the S.S. Santa Juana alongside another GT350 to Peru, where it was reportedly raced by Luis Alvarado and Jorge Nicolini. The car returned to the United States in 2002 and underwent refurbishment work from 2013 to 2015, at which time it was refinished in white with blue Le Mans stripes. Power is provided by a replacement 289ci V8 linked to a four-speed manual transmission, both of which were reportedly sourced from competition model 5R211 that was raced and crashed in Peru. The car is also equipped with a locking rear differential, 15″ Torq Thrust-style wheels, dual side-exit exhaust, an R-style front valance, polycarbonate rear and side windows, aircraft-style lap belts, and a fiberglass rear package tray that holds a spare tire. This GT350 is now offered by the selling dealer in California with copies of historical documents, manufacturer's literature, refurbishment photos, and a New Mexico title.
The GT350 model was developed beginning in the summer of 1964 following Ford's enlistment of Carroll Shelby to create a variant of the Mustang to satisfy SCCA homologation requirements. All 1965 GT350s were finished in Wimbledon White with Guardsman Blue rocker-panel stripes.
This example was refinished under prior ownership with blue Le Mans stripes, and bodywork completed during the 2015 refurbishment included the installation of a revised front valance and polycarbonate rear and side windows. Photos showing various stages of the refurbishment are presented in the gallery below. Additional details include a mesh grille, a hood scoop and quick-release pins, sail-panel louvers, a chrome rear bumper, and side-exit exhaust outlets.
Torq Thrust-style 15″ wheels are mounted with BFGoodrich Radial T/A tires, and a matching spare wheel with Goodyear rubber is secured in the rear cargo area. Refurbishment work under prior ownership included refreshing the front disc and rear drum brakes along with suspension components.
The cabin features low-back bucket seats trimmed in black vinyl complemented by coordinating carpets. Features of the GT350 model included aircraft-style lap belts and the omission of the rear seat in favor of a fiberglass shelf that housed the spare tire. Additional appointments include a glove box, sun visors, and pony-branded rubber floor mats.
The wood-rimmed steering wheel fronts a horizontal 120-mph speedometer and auxiliary gauges. A tachometer and oil pressure gauge are housed in a central dash pod. The five-digit mechanical odometer shows 24k miles, a handful of which have been added by the selling dealer. Total mileage is unknown.
The replacement 289ci V8 is said to have been removed from R-model 5R211 and installed under prior ownership. The engine was refreshed as part of the refurbishment and is equipped with a Cobra high-rise intake manifold and valve covers with breather tubes.
Power is sent to the rear wheels through a replacement four-speed manual transmission and locking rear differential, the former of which the selling dealer notes was sourced from competition model 5R211.
A copy of the Shelby American invoice to Hi-Performance Motors of Los Angeles, California, is dated July 26, 1965, and lists optional special alloy wheels at an additional cost of $214 and a total price of $3,902.75. Also included in the gallery is a copy of an undated bill of lading that shows chassis SFM5S208 was shipped from Los Angeles, California to Callao, Peru, along with another GT350 aboard the S.S. Santa Juana.
A GT350 Serial Number Verification document from Howard Pardee is dated June 3, 2002, and notes that the Ford serial number provided by a previous owner corresponds with the Shelby number. Import documents are shown in the gallery below. Documentation and refurbishment photos are in electronic format and stored on a flash drive that will accompany the car.
The New Mexico title carries a notation of "Not actual mileage: Warning – odometer discrepancy."
Videos:
- https://youtu.be/l1Rkum0zseQ (https://youtu.be/l1Rkum0zseQ)
- https://youtu.be/ZbKGo9ikdZ0 (https://youtu.be/ZbKGo9ikdZ0)
- https://youtu.be/H3yLD864aZY (https://youtu.be/H3yLD864aZY)
- https://youtu.be/5PAecd-uD14 (https://youtu.be/5PAecd-uD14)
Thanks for sharing. Missed it the last time it went to auction.
Really nice that the seller included allot of pictures. They do provide a fair amount of insight.
what a beauty, thanks for sharing
Just wanted to post this for any potential buyers. The car looks great, sounds great and probably runs amazing; but please pay attention to the comments about it scoring 953 points. This is not true.
Seller makes this claim...
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and has this score sheet is posted with the photos....
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This car has never been officially judged at a SAAC event. The score sheet seen in the photos is not an official document to claim it scored 953 points.
The judge that looked at this car gave a list of items this car needs if it were to compete in concours. The judge did not score the car this high.
Hopefully the seller cleans this up soon.
One person estimates the car will go for $725k and another estimates it'll go for north of $500k These guys must work for Barrett Jackson. Based on the misinformation being advertised, I don't think the top bid will be above $377k.
It's too bad, I'm gonna be in the market for a nice 65 GT350 later this year or in 2024 but this sort of false advertising really puts me off and kills my desire to chase an iconic car like a 65 GT350.
QSS
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on January 24, 2023, 08:35:40 PM
One person estimates the car will go for $725k and another estimates it'll go for north of $500k These guys must work for Barrett Jackson. Based on the misinformation being advertised, I don't think the top bid will be above $377k.
It's too bad, I'm gonna be in the market for a nice 65 GT350 later this year or in 2024 but this sort of false advertising really puts me off and kills my desire to chase an iconic car like a 65 GT350.
QSS
I will agree that the s#!t talking mega-tards on BAT will hold it back, BAT so many "experts" in one place who own nothing but know everything - ha ha ha
I would like to hear the straight scoop on the car, is it what left LAX in 65 or something else........
For those who have seen the "before restoration" pictures (before 2004), you may be surprised what the end of the auction price, or high bid, will be.
The Ebay auction in June of 2004 (Gaithersburg, MD.) (Steve-seller) claimed a very recent restoration. I believe that there was a SAAC Forum thread on this Shelby before the forum website crash.
Quote from: 5s386 on January 25, 2023, 12:42:52 AM
For those who have seen the "before restoration" pictures (before 2004), you may be surprised what the end of the auction price, or high bid, will be.
The Ebay auction in June of 2004 (Gaithersburg, MD.) (Steve-seller) claimed a very recent restoration. I believe that there was a SAAC Forum thread on this Shelby before the forum website crash.
Additionally, the car has been quietly for sale out of New Mexico with its last owner for years now..on and off. The owner was adamant about not selling the car to a dealer so I didn't bother him much. Of course, as is usually the case, the car is now for sale by or through a dealer ;D
What remains unclear to me is whether the seller on BaT owns the car or if it is merely on consignment from the owner in NM. The BaT seller is not clear on that.
Either the listing dealer is completely clueless on the cars or is knowingly mis-representing it...remains to be seen. IMO the comment section is going to get bad on this car if the seller doesn't right the ship pretty quickly. BaT is a great outlet for selling so long as a seller thoroughly and honestly represents a car. When that doesn't happen, the comment section gets out of hand the listing gets away from the seller. In its own way, that is another positive of BaT..it outs the liars.
Kind regards,
Vern
"The nicest one I have ever seen" is my new favorite seller comment.
Well how many have you seen? Lol
;)
Quote from: Coralsnake on January 25, 2023, 09:50:57 AM
"The nicest one I have ever seen" is my new favorite seller comment.
Well how many have you seen? Lol
;)
Or the possible other comment
"How long have you been legally blind?"
::)
This seller is running a clinic on how to not successfully sell a car on BaT! Yikes!!
Sad, but the virus of "alternative facts" has infected our "hobby" too.
I wonder how much the stupidity actually holds back a car?
I suspect not as much as one would think. The gallery thinks it has all the power
Quote from: Coralsnake on January 25, 2023, 02:39:31 PM
I wonder how much the stupidity actually holds back a car?
I suspect not as much as one would think. The gallery thinks it has all the power
Stupidity would only hold the car back if there isn't two willing bidders out there who are even more clueless than the seller clearly is.
The guy in located in CA so there's plenty of fruitloops to choose from if he wants to sell it high ;)
Well, it's up to $200K now.
So what's wrong with this car? The car is for sale , so all the experts here pick it apart. Please explain what you all see wrong with it.
Are you asking why the seller shouldn't represent it as a "concours car"?
Or why its not a concours car?
You will not find more knowledgeable people anywhere in the world about these cars than on this forum.
I get it's not a perfect car. But anytime a car is listed on here it seems like everyone has to pick it apart. All the experts have to comment with all there knowledge. If some one is really interested they will search out the expert for real advise.
Quote from: Nova68 on January 25, 2023, 05:11:15 PM
I get it's not a perfect car. But anytime a car is listed on here it seems like everyone has to pick it apart. All the experts have to comment with all there knowledge. If some one is really interested they will search out the expert for real advise.
A potential buyer is not going to reach out to a knowledgeable "expert" if the buyer has no clue where to even go or how to contact that said expert. The beauty part about BAT is, all the information and criticism is condensed in one area and that is in the comments section of BAT. A potential buyer can take the comments with a grain of salt or use them to evaluate their decision on a purchase. This only helps a buyer. Granted some and most of the comments aren't worth anything, but those are the ones that can be taken with a grain of salt.
I really don't think correcting mis-representations by the seller is "picking the car apart"
Do you think its acceptable for him to say the car was judged at SAAC if it wasn't?
There is a significant difference between a premier car and a car never judged, that has a lot of non stock parts on it.
Quote from: Nova68 on January 25, 2023, 03:06:09 PM
So what's wrong with this car? The car is for sale , so all the experts here pick it apart. Please explain what you all see wrong with it.
As an observation of this thread, if experts were "picking it apart" you would see a list of observations already.
Listing how to make a car pass an inspection or scrutiny posted publicly may not serve the hobby or other owners best in the long run. Just an opinion
I would recommend a serious buyer to have a thorough inspection by a real SAAC judge, such as Bob Gaines or Craig Conley.
That would answer any and all questions.
Quote from: J_Speegle on January 25, 2023, 01:41:21 PM
Quote from: Coralsnake on January 25, 2023, 09:50:57 AM
"The nicest one I have ever seen" is my new favorite seller comment.
Well how many have you seen? Lol
;)
Or the possible other comment
"How long have you been legally blind?"
::)
:)
Let me say Mr John Brown is a well known and very knowledgeable person on 1965 Shelbys.
I think his role was distorted and misrepresented in the listing.
It's really too bad on how a car like this can go so sideways. All the seller had to do do was represent it for what it was. A 65 that had some race history. Was restored with some sheet metal work from 66. Has some R-model flare. Possibly has the tranny and engine from 5R211 and call it what it is. I particularly like that sort of stuff. My 66 was restored by Jim C in 1990 and we put a bunch on "non-correct" 65 / 65 R-model bits on it. I love it. Had I not been 1 year old in 66 and was buying a 66 new, these are some of the day 2 things I would have done. The reason being.... I drive it and enjoy it. There are 2 types of buyers, right? The originality "concourse" buyer who buys for the "investment" or the guy who buys for the pleasure of driving and enjoying. Neither is better than the other, but 2 different buyers. I think had the seller gone the "racing" driving route, this was a slam dunk car for the right buyer. I wish I had the cash to buy, at the right price, this is an awesome looking / sounding driver. The problem here is, the seller is looking for it to be an investment " best of all " car.... and it's not that. You guys here on the Forum do an awesome job informing everyone of the "investment" component shortfalls on many of the cars listed on the internet. I don't know why anyone buying any Shelby without having someone with extensive knowledge review that car and disclose what's not correct. Especially on a 65 where many of those components are just not available anymore. The potential buyer who walked away did just that after JB apparently got a cramp in his hand from the length of that list. Keep up the fight, as without you guys pointing this stuff out, the used car salesmen take over! Jeff-
Quote from: terlingua11 on January 26, 2023, 10:52:20 AM
It's really too bad on how a car like this can go so sideways. All the seller had to do do was represent it for what it was. A 65 that had some race history. Was restored with some sheet metal work from 66. Has some R-model flare. Possibly has the tranny and engine from 5R211 and call it what it is. I particularly like that sort of stuff. My 66 was restored by Jim C in 1990 and we put a bunch on "non-correct" 65 / 65 R-model bits on it. I love it. Had I not been 1 year old in 66 and was buying a 66 new, these are some of the day 2 things I would have done. The reason being.... I drive it and enjoy it. There are 2 types of buyers, right? The originality "concourse" buyer who buys for the "investment" or the guy who buys for the pleasure of driving and enjoying. Neither is better than the other, but 2 different buyers. I think had the seller gone the "racing" driving route, this was a slam dunk car for the right buyer. I wish I had the cash to buy, at the right price, this is an awesome looking / sounding driver. The problem here is, the seller is looking for it to be an investment " best of all " car.... and it's not that. You guys here on the Forum do an awesome job informing everyone of the "investment" component shortfalls on many of the cars listed on the internet. I don't know why anyone buying any Shelby without having someone with extensive knowledge review that car and disclose what's not correct. Especially on a 65 where many of those components are just not available anymore. The potential buyer who walked away did just that after JB apparently got a cramp in his hand from the length of that list. Keep up the fight, as without you guys pointing this stuff out, the used car salesmen take over! Jeff-
Are you saying it is NOT a real GT 350?
Is the vehicle selling with no reserve?
Quote from: Bigfoot on January 26, 2023, 12:15:03 PM
Is the vehicle selling with no reserve?
I does not say so in the auction title.
Quote from: terlingua11 on January 26, 2023, 10:52:20 AM
It's really too bad on how a car like this can go so sideways. All the seller had to do do was represent it for what it was. A 65 that had some race history. Was restored with some sheet metal work from 66. Has some R-model flare. Possibly has the tranny and engine from 5R211 and call it what it is. I particularly like that sort of stuff. My 66 was restored by Jim C in 1990 and we put a bunch on "non-correct" 65 / 65 R-model bits on it. I love it. Had I not been 1 year old in 66 and was buying a 66 new, these are some of the day 2 things I would have done. The reason being.... I drive it and enjoy it. There are 2 types of buyers, right? The originality "concourse" buyer who buys for the "investment" or the guy who buys for the pleasure of driving and enjoying. Neither is better than the other, but 2 different buyers. I think had the seller gone the "racing" driving route, this was a slam dunk car for the right buyer. I wish I had the cash to buy, at the right price, this is an awesome looking / sounding driver. The problem here is, the seller is looking for it to be an investment " best of all " car.... and it's not that. You guys here on the Forum do an awesome job informing everyone of the "investment" component shortfalls on many of the cars listed on the internet. I don't know why anyone buying any Shelby without having someone with extensive knowledge review that car and disclose what's not correct. Especially on a 65 where many of those components are just not available anymore. The potential buyer who walked away did just that after JB apparently got a cramp in his hand from the length of that list. Keep up the fight, as without you guys pointing this stuff out, the used car salesmen take over! Jeff-
I remember watching legendary motor car restore a 65 gt350 with all reproduction junk. They replaced original nice parts with crap, but that is what the owner wanted I guess? In retrospect not only did they devalued the car they also made it way less desirable to collectors. When people do cars "their way" that's fine as long as they plane on not selling it, or at least understand that wrong = less money.
To clarify. I am not saying the car on BAT is not a real Shelby. I'm just saying it's not restored to a correct day 1 car. That's an extremely expensive endeavor now days, but when you go to resell it, you can get your money back. And yes, you get what you put in. In 1990 things are not like they are now with my car and current prices so it was never looked at as an investment. I'm just saying the seller on BAT is looking for investment money and it's not a high dollar investment car. But it is a 65 GT350.
Quote from: tesgt350 on January 26, 2023, 12:08:06 PM
Are you saying it is NOT a real GT 350?
I almost asked "what is a "real GT350" was but thought that might reflect too directly on this specific car and auctions so let me try to respond the following way respectfully
Replying in general and not specifically about this particular auction or car.The term "real Shelby/GT350" has come up many times before on this site as well as personal discussions and there is not a clear universal description of what this means. Like "matching numbers" "restored" "rebuilt" and so on it depends on who is using the term and their definition IMHO. And why you have to, at times ask the speaker or questioner what they mean exactly by their use of the term.
For some they might describe a real Shelby as a car with every part and finish exactly as it came from the factory with no repairs or replacements. For others they might just be happy calling a car a "real Shelby" as having one of the three Ford VINs and a reproduction Shelby VIN tag attached to a body.
Again NOT referring to the car the thread is about and only continuing the line of discussion above. This always goes towards the discussion as to how much of a car can be repaired or replaced before it's "no longer a REAL Shelby" Same personal opinions come into play again with no common agreement to what that percentage is by everyone involved with the cars, business and hobby.
Best scenario is when there is full disclosure and as much information about the car's current condition, history and details as possible are provided through multiple ways to a potential buyer so that they can apply their personal definition as well as determining if the car is "right" for them.
Quote from: terlingua11 on January 26, 2023, 10:52:20 AM
It's really too bad on how a car like this can go so sideways. All the seller had to do do was represent it for what it was. A 65 that had some race history. Was restored with some sheet metal work from 66. Has some R-model flare. Possibly has the tranny and engine from 5R211 and call it what it is. I particularly like that sort of stuff. My 66 was restored by Jim C in 1990 and we put a bunch on "non-correct" 65 / 65 R-model bits on it. I love it. Had I not been 1 year old in 66 and was buying a 66 new, these are some of the day 2 things I would have done. The reason being.... I drive it and enjoy it. There are 2 types of buyers, right? The originality "concourse" buyer who buys for the "investment" or the guy who buys for the pleasure of driving and enjoying. Neither is better than the other, but 2 different buyers. I think had the seller gone the "racing" driving route, this was a slam dunk car for the right buyer. I wish I had the cash to buy, at the right price, this is an awesome looking / sounding driver. The problem here is, the seller is looking for it to be an investment " best of all " car.... and it's not that. You guys here on the Forum do an awesome job informing everyone of the "investment" component shortfalls on many of the cars listed on the internet. I don't know why anyone buying any Shelby without having someone with extensive knowledge review that car and disclose what's not correct. Especially on a 65 where many of those components are just not available anymore. The potential buyer who walked away did just that after JB apparently got a cramp in his hand from the length of that list. Keep up the fight, as without you guys pointing this stuff out, the used car salesmen take over! Jeff-
You were hard pressed to find any 65 GT350 that didn't have some R model add on's up until about 20 years ago. About that time was when the emphasis progressed from race heritage to more assemblyline stock. Just a change in emphasis driven by resale price IMO. Now you only find tribute cars built with those add on's. Too bad the seller given the documents has to be ether clueless or tried to misrepresented the concours status on purpose. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say he is clueless . When you try to make outlandish claims of high scoring concours as with this auction did with a car which is nether a high standard of concours correct historical details for a R model (which it is not ) or a stock street model (which it is) EXPECT push back from others that know better. If you think about the guys that go the extra mile to make their cars live up to those high originality standards it is a insult to those people (restoration shops and owners) when a car like the one in the auction (which is no doubt a excellent car in its own slightly modified condition) that is not very close to the claim of a car built to historical accurate stock standards claims that it is . It diminishes the hard work of others who have done the work more correctly.
15 min left over on BAT
Says bid to 325k so no sale
Is there anyone, besides myself, that has seen the before and after pictures of the 2004 restoration?
Quote from: 5s386 on January 31, 2023, 02:34:39 PM
Is there anyone, besides myself, that has seen the before and after pictures of the 2004 restoration?
I owned #208 in 2006 - I am in the chain of title in the Registry.
I recall that I have a file on it but it is apparently in the deep archives. The car came to me after its earlier first "restoration" but not fully sorted out. I know it had a passenger door window to roof rail alignment problem that no one up to that point had been able to correct but we fixed it. I displayed it at the Atlantic City show in February of 2006. It was a nice car and fun to drive, not concours material at that point.
I believe there may be some print photos in my file showing it "as found" before any of the early work was done, plus maybe some other descriptive material. If anyone is seriously interested in the car, I invite you to contact me and I can try to find the file.
bill@bcfords.com
717- 558-9000
It's back.....
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-ford-shelby-gt350-2/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-ford-shelby-gt350-2/)
Why would anyone bid more for it now than before? Seems like a waste of time unless they have drastically lower the reserve.
Quote from: MikeljGT500HE on July 11, 2023, 10:20:18 AM
Why would anyone bid more for it now than before? Seems like a waste of time unless they have drastically lower the reserve.
If that were the case, it might have been better just to contact the high bidder from the previous auction and offer them the car!
Second time on BAT - The high bid was $295,000, but the reserve was not met.