https://bringatrailer.com/listing/ford-427ci-sohc-cammer-v8-crate-engine/
impressive
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Any idea what "fair market value"would be on something like that?
Quote from: 557 on February 11, 2023, 11:45:29 AM
Any idea what "fair market value"would be on something like that?
Well, at this point the auction is over $50K. Apparently it hasn't reached "market" value yet. Unfortunately, for something so rare (and highly desirable) there is no "fair" in the equation. Something is worth what you can get out of it at the time of sale.
Fair is the last man standing, when the others have tapped out! ;)
I have had 5 of these sohc over last 40 years and they are the koolest baddest ass motor ever built and almost every part on it is unique sohc only. Most were drag raced and blown up because of the long timing chain stretching at high rpm since it dont use pushrods and lifters and cam is a stuby short cam to just turn dual point transisterized distributor. All 427 NOS sohc engine came with single carb intake so it can be broke in before first if you wanted to change to optional 2x4 intake engine had to be broke in because if u install 2x4 intake with the 2 big holley cfm carbs when new it would wash out the cylinder walls i was told years ago by a ford expert. As far as $ well i know where a 427 nos sohc is in a display case sitting in a guys office that he paid 75 for back years ago . I value this nos engine not only for its rareity but because its complete with all original parts on it as all the parts on the outside of engine are very rare as that stuff got thrown away when they set engine up for racing.
Good luck!
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Building one. Has blower manifold off Tommy Grove's funny car. Used run an injected cammer in a B/Gas 66 Mustang Fastback
Quote from: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on February 11, 2023, 07:00:34 PM
Building one. Has blower manifold off Tommy Grove's funny car. Used run an injected cammer in a B/Gas 66 Mustang Fastback
. Very cool!Whats that going in?
Not sure yet, maybe a street version of a 1969 funny car or a mid 30's Ford roadster
Quote from: Steve McDonald Formally known as Mcdonas on February 12, 2023, 09:22:32 AM
Not sure yet, maybe a street version of a 1969 funny car or a mid 30's Ford roadster
That's Sik!
Appreciate it guys! This is one of the best NOS 427 SOHC you will find and REMEMBER...THEY ARE ONLY ORIGINAL ONCE. As Ed said the rarity and originally of this one make it so special. We will see where it goes, still a ways to go on what it should bring in my opinion based on the last sale of an NOS one. But you never know with an auction.
If anyone on here is interested or has any questions, feel free to reach out to me personally.
Best,
Nate
Nate's Classic Cars
812-661-7743
We bought a pair of new ones for $25,000 each from Mickey Thompson when we were building the Megabuck Pantera. Cammer guru Earl Wade went through one of them and set it up for the twin turbo setup we ran. The other sat around until the guy who owned the Pantera lost interest and then it was sold to another friend for $10,000.
Somewhere I have a photo from SAAC-1. A guy trailered a 3 window coupe mounted on a 427 Cobra chassis with a Cammer in it. There were another 10 magnesium wheels in the bed of the truck that went along with the car. He was asking 10 grand it still needed interior and paint.
Brett, what happened with the Pantera project? Power, speed, etc?
Quote from: Side-Oilers on February 12, 2023, 06:28:34 PM
Brett, what happened with the Pantera project? Power, speed, etc
Trailer queen show car - I don't think anyone has driven it at any speed lest they ding up the polished aluminum inner wheel wells - it did sound good though. It was kinda Cammer meets turbine with the short pipes off the turbos.
Came here to post this. I knew this would be expensive, but WOW! $65k with 2 days left. Sure would like to see what it ends up going into, or do you put it in a car, ever?
Quote from: Poor Ron on February 10, 2023, 07:20:21 PM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/ford-427ci-sohc-cammer-v8-crate-engine/
Better than an engagement ring for the ladies. And it holds its value better than a diamond too!
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on February 12, 2023, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: Side-Oilers on February 12, 2023, 06:28:34 PM
Brett, what happened with the Pantera project? Power, speed, etc
Trailer queen show car - I don't think anyone has driven it at any speed lest they ding up the polished aluminum inner wheel wells - it did sound good though. It was kinda Cammer meets turbine with the short pipes off the turbos.
Are you talking about this one ?
Don't know how functional it is, but boy it sure looks purteeeeeeee
Quote from: FL SAAC on February 16, 2023, 10:38:06 AM
Are you talking about this one ?
That one looks like it has different flares. Those look like the regular Group 5 flares and Megabuck had ones that looked similar but were a couple inches wider - they were hand formed out of steel and hammer welded to the body so you didn't see a seam. I couldn't see someone tossing out the aluminum inner panels either - they were a work of art. There was also a polished full belly pan and polished aluminum inner wheel wells. Last I heard the car was in a private collection in the Carolinas. Dennis (the builder) loved it whenever it changed hands whoever bought it would send it to him to be freshened. Everyone wanted it running but no one seemed willing to drive it. George Stauffer owned it at one time and he pulled out the custom nixie tube gauges (that never worked right) and put in normal gauges. The wiring on the car was a nightmare - it was all red with no coding/tracers on them. I had a couple hundred pictures I took while it was being built. Dennis brokered a deal to sell them to one of the owners - I should have made an extra set of prints there were lots of little details. I think I still have some of the Rossa Carrera red lacquer that was ordered from Italy by the local Ferrari dealer for it. I imagine the car has cracked and checked by this time. It's been 40+ years since it was laid on.
Was the builder "Dennis" as in Dennis Zainfeld?
Quote from: csxsfm on February 16, 2023, 04:46:58 PMWas the builder "Dennis" as in Dennis Zainfeld?
Yes - he built the Pantera for a guy in Utah. Chuck Beck is the one who made the engine compartment 9" wider to fit the Cammer https://newsandviewsusa.com/chuck-beck-living-legend/ He's still going strong at 85 - he was also a fabricator at SA on the GT40s. Dennis moved his shop 3 times while the Pantera was being built - that was a chore. Dennis' parents lived next door to a friend of mine. Across the street was Rick King a guy whose Red 55 Tbird with a blown BB Chevy was in Hot Rod a couple times (his mom bought it new and within a week of Rick buying it he had a 327 Chevy in it - his dad was not happy). Around the corner was another guy whose dad had crewed on a 67 Kar Kraft TA Mustang he owned a dyno tune place we always used after hours. The kid Steve Dragus built a 60 Falcon with leftover TA parts a full cage and a Hilborn injected HM small block. It was a pretty competitive neighborhood. Both of them have passed away now.
As Ken Young would say - only in Southern California.....
There was a 427 on Los Angeles Craigslist the other day (gone now). Had an H scratch. Guy wanted $6500 for it. Does that H scratch mean it was a cammer block? Man, someone got a real deal if that's the case.
ETA: 1965 CXXX-H block, did not appear to have cammer heads on it. Chrome valve covers. Single 4 barrel.
My C5AE-H block has an H scratch on the back...
Pat
Quote from: azdriver on February 16, 2023, 09:57:51 PM
My C5AE-H block has an H scratch on the back...
Pat
And is it a cammer? (I'm trying to learn how to identify one).
No it is not so apparently the H is not cammer specific..
Pat
Quote from: azdriver on February 17, 2023, 07:40:38 AM
No it is not so apparently the H is not cammer specific..
Pat
So, from what I can gather there is no way to ID a block as a cammer without removing the heads. Does anybody want to correct me on that?
https://www.diyford.com/how-to-identify-a-ford-big-block/
This is the 427 SOHC Cammer Side Oiler block. What makes this block SOHC-specific is the oil drainback passage (arrow) for the hemispherical heads. You can run wedge heads on an SOHC block. However, you cannot run SOHC heads on a wedge block.
Correct rear of sohc block has raised hump where it is drilled out at top of block corner to route oil back in the pan and bottom oil hole can be seen on rear corner of block by the steel crank. There were several versions and castings ID of the 427 side oiler block from early to late and cavity moulds sand castings of the raw blocks. Another way to tell a sohc block id no cam bearings in middle and rear since only need the front cam bearings for the short stubby cam that turns the dual point distributor. Some cobras reportedly came with sohc blocks of which will work on FE heads but u cant run sohc heads on any block but a sohc block.
Sold at $140000.
Its CAMMER time. i am buying tonite haha
Congrats on the sale Nate!
Ed's basement has provided me with many dreams over the years including SOHC and Boss 9 engines.
I bought the Super Mustang that's SOHC powered
https://www.nhra.com/news/2018/super-mustang
Had it at a friends place and he decided to have a good laugh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjC9cCzHIac
Quote from: Special Ed on February 17, 2023, 05:43:18 PM
Its CAMMER time. I am buying tonite haha
Home run and then some. :D