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The Cars => 1966 Shelby GT350/GT350H => Topic started by: Plajoie on March 04, 2023, 08:47:31 AM

Title: Shelby Vin
Post by: Plajoie on March 04, 2023, 08:47:31 AM
My original Shelby VIN plate is missing does anyone know where I can have one made up?  Tony Branda has the plates but will not stamp them.
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: 427hunter on March 04, 2023, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: Plajoie on March 04, 2023, 08:47:31 AM
My original Shelby VIN plate is missing does anyone know where I can have one made up?  Tony Branda has the plates but will not stamp them.


The are not reproduced, all the fake tags are about the same in quality so buy the one you want and hand stamp it.

Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: 6s1640 on March 05, 2023, 12:22:48 AM
At least be sure to get one that says "shelby american" with a "n" on the end, not "shelby america".

Cory
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: deathsled on March 05, 2023, 12:34:55 AM
Quote from: 6s1640 on March 05, 2023, 12:22:48 AM
At least be sure to get one that says "Shelby American" with a "n" on the end, not "Shelby America".

Cory
+1
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: PR on March 05, 2023, 11:23:24 AM
A few years ago I had to have one made, I forgot the company but found them in vin plate restoration  search on the web, they have the correct plates and stamp with correct size and font as original,but require proof of ownership, I sent a picture of current registration, it came looked great looked exactly like the one on my other Shelby, the only thing it looked brand new compared to the patina on my other car, good luck, Pete
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: capecodmustang.com on March 05, 2023, 01:18:38 PM
 AG Back East..
Not sure if they're around anymore
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: Plajoie on March 05, 2023, 03:21:20 PM
Thank you for the information I'll post if I find a company.
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: Bigfoot on March 06, 2023, 01:35:27 PM
Quote from: deathsled on March 05, 2023, 12:34:55 AM
Quote from: 6s1640 on March 05, 2023, 12:22:48 AM
At least be sure to get one that says "Shelby American" with a "n" on the end, not "Shelby America".

Cory
+1

+2
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: Plajoie on March 22, 2023, 06:52:21 PM
Gave up on the search.  Found one company that was high and no guarantee that it will look like the original.  Went the hand stamp route but do not like the way it came out.  Thank everyone for the suggestions.
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 22, 2023, 08:55:53 PM
In order to get it even and looking right you'll need a holder. https://www.pannier.com/stamping/type-holders/
You'll also want stamps that have been ground so they line up in the holder
There are also machines that will stamp them - I suspect this is what was used by SA or whoever supplied their tags. I have one but the font is too small if I remember. https://www.metaltags.com/stamping-equipment.htm
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: JohnSlack on March 23, 2023, 11:29:12 AM
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 22, 2023, 08:55:53 PM
In order to get it even and looking right you'll need a holder. https://www.pannier.com/stamping/type-holders/
You'll also want stamps that have been ground so they line up in the holder
There are also machines that will stamp them - I suspect this is what was used by SA or whoever supplied their tags. I have one but the font is too small if I remember. https://www.metaltags.com/stamping-equipment.htm

I used to work for a company that overhauled components for aircraft and we had a similar stamping machine that was a World War Two surplus machine. By chance I noticed that machine had the exact same font and size as the Shelby VIN tags, I thought, Wow how convenient that would be to have. Then I thought, hmmm, why.... I was in my early 20s and this was 40 years ago and nobody cares.


John
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: FL SAAC on March 23, 2023, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: JohnSlack on March 23, 2023, 11:29:12 AM
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 22, 2023, 08:55:53 PM
In order to get it even and looking right you'll need a holder. https://www.pannier.com/stamping/type-holders/
You'll also want stamps that have been ground so they line up in the holder
There are also machines that will stamp them - I suspect this is what was used by SA or whoever supplied their tags. I have one but the font is too small if I remember. https://www.metaltags.com/stamping-equipment.htm

I used to work for a company that overhauled components for aircraft and we had a similar stamping machine that was a World War Two surplus machine. By chance I noticed that machine had the exact same font and size as the Shelby VIN tags, I thought, Wow how convenient that would be to have. Then I thought, hmmm, why.... I was in my early 20s and this was 40 years ago and nobody cares.


John

You sir are a entrepreneur.....
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: 427hunter on March 23, 2023, 11:57:07 AM
The original tags have raised lettering and stamped numbers - all the fake tags have silkscreened lettering- so there are no "correct fake tags". If I was missing my tag I would buy the best looking silk screen tag and hand stamp it to my number - 99.9% of people would not know what a real tag looks like anyway.
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 23, 2023, 01:13:56 PM
Quote from: 427hunter on March 23, 2023, 11:57:07 AM
The original tags have raised lettering and stamped numbers - all the fake tags have silkscreened lettering- so there are no "correct fake tags". If I was missing my tag I would buy the best looking silk screen tag and hand stamp it to my number - 99.9% of people would not know what a real tag looks like anyway.
The original tags were acid etched. https://www.american-nameplate.com/product/etched-metal-nameplates/
All the repros are silk screened.
My machine also came from work. They had used it to stamp asset ID tags but went to stick on labels instead. It went in my trunk instead of the trash.
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: 427hunter on March 23, 2023, 08:22:31 PM
The lettering is raised not etched in the tag.
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: Bob Gaines on March 23, 2023, 09:48:15 PM
Quote from: 427hunter on March 23, 2023, 08:22:31 PM
The lettering is raised not etched in the tag.
The etching refers basically to the art work and not the vin numbers and letters. 65 ,66 and 67 tags are metal stamped.68 are raised.
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: 427hunter on March 24, 2023, 10:57:32 AM
Quote from: Bob Gaines on March 23, 2023, 09:48:15 PM
Quote from: 427hunter on March 23, 2023, 08:22:31 PM
The lettering is raised not etched in the tag.
The etching refers basically to the art work and not the vin numbers and letters. 65 ,66 and 67 tags are metal stamped.68 are raised.


Rub your fingers over all the lettering and CS logo, it's not flat it's raised.
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 24, 2023, 12:45:21 PM
Quote from: 427hunter on March 23, 2023, 08:22:31 PM
The lettering is raised not etched in the tag.
How it works - a negative is produced of what the tag should look like. The material has a coating on it. The negative is placed on the material and exposed - like film. The light hardens the coating and the rest (not exposed to light) is then washed off. The material is then put into an acid. Where the metal is not protected by the coating it it eaten away (on the SA tags it's the background not the letters - making the letters seem raised). It's then washed (different bath) to get the hardened coating off and the lower etched area is then filled with paint.
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: trotrof1 on March 24, 2023, 01:04:21 PM
Let's be thankful that reproduction tags appear so and hopefully remain that way. Stamp that repop silkscreened version and live with it.
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: 427hunter on March 24, 2023, 04:59:29 PM
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 24, 2023, 12:45:21 PM
Quote from: 427hunter on March 23, 2023, 08:22:31 PM
The lettering is raised not etched in the tag.
How it works - a negative is produced of what the tag should look like. The material has a coating on it. The negative is placed on the material and exposed - like film. The light hardens the coating and the rest (not exposed to light) is then washed off. The material is then put into an acid. Where the metal is not protected by the coating it it eaten away (on the SA tags it's the background not the letters - making the letters seem raised). It's then washed (different bath) to get the hardened coating off and the lower etched area is then filled with paint.


The letters don't "seem raised" they are - Here is a photo that shows the raised letters.
Title: Re: Shelby Vin
Post by: gt350cs on April 01, 2023, 06:46:39 PM
I believe this to be an original tag. Do you agree?