To all you closet Camaro lovers it's a sad day........
The Camaro is about to drive off into the sunset, GM says | Fox 11 Tri Cities Fox 41 Yakima
https://www.fox41yakima.com/the-camaro-is-about-to-drive-off-into-the-sunset-gm-says/
Ugly car....The longer you look at it the uglier it gets, just like the latest Corvette, ugly....Borrowed tail lights or similar versions do not help it.
I Wouldn't be surprised if Granholm gets a pay raise with this news.
Is this why a bunch of promotion has surfaced about a new 2024 Chevelle ?
Thinking out loud.
John
Quote from: Harris Speedster on March 23, 2023, 10:39:37 AM
Is this why a bunch of promotion has surfaced about a new 2024 Chevelle ?
Thinking out loud.
John
Thats what I am thinking, Is it me or is that just a rebranded old Comaro? The nose being modified?
Quote from: 67 GT350 on March 23, 2023, 10:17:28 AM
Ugly car....The longer you look at it the uglier it gets, just like the latest Corvette, ugly....Borrowed tail lights or similar versions do not help it.
Agree on the Camaro being horrific, but I find the new mustang just as bad
Can you tell the difference between a new mustang and a mopar ?
The mopar is wearing the yellow pool float noodles
The new C8 is a affordable work of art
On to the camaros demise.....
Imitation is not always the sincerest form of flattery - https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/shame-tactics-may-defeat-the-misuse-of-dodge-splitter-guards/
The original concept retro Camaro was a great looking car. Then GM went budget and decided to use an already developed Holden chassis which required a raising of the body rear fender and change to the roofline to clear the rear IRS struts. It threw off the whole look.
At least Dodge Challenger goes out with a bang: 1,000+ HP. Can't agree more, the current Camaro is Transformer disco ugly. The original retro car of 2010 was a good looking, and excellent performer.
And just like that the "MUSTANG SWIM TEAM" arrived to drown the "DODGE CLOWNS" or the "FUDGIE THE WHALE TEAM"......cause you know those "DODGE FAT CATS" are bloated....LMAO !
I really like the 1st (and early 2nd) Gen Camaros. Great styling inside and out.
The Gen 5 & 6 are hideous, IMO. The army-tank gun-slit side windows and too-tall belt line makes them look like a chunky guy with overalls and wearing a smashed-down hat.
I realize that every car company does it, but Stop Copying!! Not everything has to have an angry-insect face, trapezoidal body shape and other form-without-function styling.
Dodge has miraculously managed to keep selling the same retro body/interior/platform Challenger since 2008. Only the Beetle and Model T can beat that longevity.
While it would've been nice to have more-substantial styling updates along the way (and a reduction in weight) kudos to Mopar for keeping stuffing-in ever more power, and creating special packages, rather than killing the Challenger off or making it into something it shouldn't be.
In other words: Don't mess with success.
Quote from: Side-Oilers on March 23, 2023, 05:14:48 PM
I really like the 1st (and early 2nd) Gen Camaros. Great styling inside and out.
The Gen 5 & 6 are hideous, IMO. The army-tank gun-slit side windows and too-tall belt line makes them look like a chunky guy with overalls and wearing a smashed-down hat.
I realize that every car company does it, but Stop Copying!! Not everything has to have an angry-insect face, trapezoidal body shape and other form-without-function styling.
Dodge has miraculously managed to keep selling the same retro body/interior/platform Challenger since 2008. Only the Beetle and Model T can beat that longevity.
While it would've been nice to have more-substantial styling updates along the way (and a reduction in weight) kudos to Mopar for keeping stuffing-in ever more power, and creating special packages, rather than killing the Challenger off or making it into something it shouldn't be.
In other words: Don't mess with success.
1967 through 1974 where the best years with the last performance L82 being installed in a Z 28
My favorite is the 69 and 70 ( new body ) Z 28s
After that it was all stripes and fancy spoilers
Quote from: FL SAAC on March 23, 2023, 10:35:09 PMMy favorite is the 69 and 70 ( new body ) Z 28s
Great minds think alike. In 67 when the Z28 was introed I was working at the local Chevy dealer in a HS auto shop work experience program. The first one we got had the shifter messed up - UAW couldn't figure out Hurst. I got the task to fix it and when done the mechanic said take it out and test it - Game on. It was just about the time school was getting out so a couple burnouts seemed appropriate. When I took it back the tuneup guy stuck it on the dyno and he guesstimated almost 400 hp at the crank. But 69 is my favorite closely followed by the half bumper 69 1/2.
But this is hands down my favorite "69 Camaro" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCzvuQ_Wck
98svt,
If I won the lottery;
a 70, maybe what you are calling a 1/2 bumper car, would be on my list to buy.
I think they went to the 350 solid lifter engine,
Add a 1961 Jag flat floor XKE. Even Enzo called it the most elegany design he had ever seen.
Respectfully,
John
Yessssss a 1969 rally sport Z28 with a cross ram (making it a over carburated little pig on the streets) with the JL8 rear disc brakes option
The 1970 has to be in citrus green ( color that I hated growing up but today I find attractive ) also with the rally sport option (split bumper) has to be early 70 to have the low headrest bucket seats.
And yes the1961 Jag XKE is a beautiful car.
But the early Lamborghini is certainly a work of art.
I think Ferrari may have been a bit biased, what the heck what does a tractor maker know anyways......
Was that Winters cross ram setup in the trunk when ordered, not installed.
Quote from: trotrof1 on March 24, 2023, 12:11:14 PM
Was that Winters cross ram setup in the trunk when ordered, not installed.
I believe so, had a friend who purchased a 69 Z28 from the original owner who at the time gave him the original paper work show the rear disc and cross ram options. Funny though the car had a plane Jane flat hood , no cowl induction.
Things that make you go hmmmmmmm
The 'Cowl Hood' option was a mid year introduction. NOT standard on a Z/28.
Even the Vega looked good with a split bumper. My Yenko Vega had this done. Should have kept it - who would have thought a Vega could pull 90 grand.
https://www.copo.com/yenko-stinger-vegas.html
Guys, the 'Split Bumper' as you call it was originally referred to as the 'RS' option. Or simply Rally Sport. That, was a trim option. The 'SS' aka Super Sport was usually a performance option. Its not unusual to see the 'RS/SS' options combined.
Quote from: trotrof1 on March 24, 2023, 12:11:14 PM
Was that Winters cross ram setup in the trunk when ordered, not installed.
I got this directly from the Camaro experts at the CRG site:
"Dealer might have put it in the trunk for customer to install, but the factory never did.
They were never original factory production and there was never a cross ram in the assembly plant.
Cross rams were through the dealership or over the counter only."
A smart play that added to Chevys revenue and simultaneously skirted liability issues I'm guessing. The valuation for a complete original assembly would off the scale most likely.
Quote from: FL SAAC on March 23, 2023, 09:37:17 AM
To all you closet Camaro lovers it's a sad day........
The Camaro is about to drive off into the sunset, GM says | Fox 11 Tri Cities Fox 41 Yakima
https://www.fox41yakima.com/the-camaro-is-about-to-drive-off-into-the-sunset-gm-says/
Keep driving toward that sunset. And if the Earth happens to be flat after all then oh well..
Quote from: deathsled on March 25, 2023, 11:23:31 AM
Quote from: FL SAAC on March 23, 2023, 09:37:17 AM
To all you closet Camaro lovers it's a sad day........
The Camaro is about to drive off into the sunset, GM says | Fox 11 Tri Cities Fox 41 Yakima
https://www.fox41yakima.com/the-camaro-is-about-to-drive-off-into-the-sunset-gm-says/
Keep driving toward that sunset. And if the Earth happens to be flat after all then oh well..
Ah yes another believer.....
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 23, 2023, 11:42:44 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC on March 23, 2023, 10:35:09 PMMy favorite is the 69 and 70 ( new body ) Z 28s
Great minds think alike. In 67 when the Z28 was introed I was working at the local Chevy dealer in a HS auto shop work experience program. The first one we got had the shifter messed up - UAW couldn't figure out Hurst. I got the task to fix it and when done the mechanic said take it out and test it - Game on. It was just about the time school was getting out so a couple burnouts seemed appropriate. When I took it back the tuneup guy stuck it on the dyno and he guesstimated almost 400 hp at the crank. But 69 is my favorite closely followed by the half bumper 69 1/2.
But this is hands down my favorite "69 Camaro" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCzvuQ_Wck
I could drive a 69 Z/28 with a cross ram and JL8 four wheel disc brakes. But I am already spoken for with the current fold. A Boss 302S would satisfy more though.
8 barrels of fun !
Quote from: FL SAAC on March 27, 2023, 09:57:39 AM
8 barrels of fun !
Again the Chevy pales in comparison
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 27, 2023, 10:49:53 AM
Quote from: FL SAAC on March 27, 2023, 09:57:39 AM
8 barrels of fun !
Again the Chevy pales in comparison
Apples to oranges comparison. Dual Dominators and two Inlines...
Quote from: crossboss on March 27, 2023, 12:40:44 PM
Apples to oranges comparison. Dual Dominators and two Inlines...
But - Ford gave up on the original Cross Boss that used "little" Holleys. It takes a lot of CFM to make Ford 302/351 canted valve heads happy.
In the end there is no replacement for cubic inch displacement
Quote from: FL SAAC on March 27, 2023, 01:31:43 PM
In the end there is no replacement for cubic inch displacement
Even CI didn't save the Camaro.......
https://www.hotcars.com/this-is-americas-biggest-v8-engine-and-its-going-in-the-chevy-copo-camaro/#:~:text=For%202022%2C%20Chevrolet%20brings%20the,and%20indeed%20America's%20largest%20V8.
For 2022, Chevrolet brings the COPO Camaro back. But this time, it's not packing 7-liters of American V8. It's got a 572 cubic inch, or 9.4-liter monster of a V8 motor with forged internals, making it the largest car engine that GM makes, and indeed America's largest V8.
Wasn't that 3x2 setup a POS to keep in tune. More eye candy than a hp gain, 435 vs 425 for a single 4bbl.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 27, 2023, 01:25:03 PM
Quote from: crossboss on March 27, 2023, 12:40:44 PM
Apples to oranges comparison. Dual Dominators and two Inlines...
But - Ford gave up on the original Cross Boss that used "little" Holleys. It takes a lot of CFM to make Ford 302/351 canted valve heads happy.
Not quite. The original and experimental Cross-Boss with dual Holley 4V's was very expensive to make. Remember, It required an off set distributor, cam extension, and a special timing cover/water pump. Also, I have 'heard' that this intake combo was a performance turd. Once the 1970 Trans Am rules were out, only a single 4V was required. That IS when the second, and famous Cross-Boss with the Inline was designed and produced. This combo was deemed illegal "And not in the spirit of competition" by the SCCA.
Quote from: trotrof1 on March 27, 2023, 02:48:14 PM
Wasn't that 3x2 setup a POS to keep in tune. More eye candy than a hp gain, 435 vs 425 for a single 4bbl.
Again, no. Just ask those early Tri-Power GTOs and 442 guys. Don't forget the mighty Mopar A-12 440-6 cars.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on March 27, 2023, 02:44:09 PM
Quote from: FL SAAC on March 27, 2023, 01:31:43 PM
In the end there is no replacement for cubic inch displacement
Even CI didn't save the Camaro.......
https://www.hotcars.com/this-is-americas-biggest-v8-engine-and-its-going-in-the-chevy-copo-camaro/#:~:text=For%202022%2C%20Chevrolet%20brings%20the,and%20indeed%20America's%20largest%20V8.
For 2022, Chevrolet brings the COPO Camaro back. But this time, it's not packing 7-liters of American V8. It's got a 572 cubic inch, or 9.4-liter monster of a V8 motor with forged internals, making it the largest car engine that GM makes, and indeed America's largest V8.
Race car only. Not available to the public. Its Chevy's last gasp...Not to be outdone, Dodge offers its last Challenger with 1,000 horse power. And yes, this one is available for retail sale.
Quote from: crossboss on March 27, 2023, 05:40:22 PM..... Its Chevy's last gasp...Not to be outdone, Dodge offers its last Challenger with 1,000 horse power. .......
And to think the Mustang will go out in a few years with a whine...... of the electric motor.
And I say who we kidding ?
You know its coming back Camaro's replacement being an all electric performance sedan that follows similar styling cues but with four-doors. Because that's what the new generation wants four doors, fast and environmentally ( bulls*t ) friendly vehicle. It will be GMs MACH E