You can usually tell what part of the car I'm restoring by my posts ...
I'm fairly certain the caps have been off of this car, so I'm having issues with the correct concours parts for re-assembly.
I have the 67 Shelby Master Assy Manual but some of the information is sparse.
Page 31 lists the components to assemble the rear end caps, but there are many blanks and issues.
The '1.B' bolts are listed as 378190-S2 (not found in any hardware list), which may actually be 378196-S2. I have lots of the later.
There is a "Seal, Felt" listed which is a 380002-S (washer with plastic washer), which AMK simply lists as a washer.
And then the three screws which may be '1.D' and listed as 376362-s #6x1/2 screw, but that seems odd given where they go.
What do you guys have?
the Caps had aircraft Nut Plates riveted to them and I think #10 hex head screws.
Quote from: johnsshelby on July 08, 2018, 01:55:32 PM
the Caps had aircraft Nut Plates riveted to them and I think #10 hex head screws.
Nope. You must be thinking of different year and or a different part . The three screws on the outside are Philips pan head screws with a P/O finish . The bolts on the inside of the trunk are the same seems type bolts similar to the fender bolts .Typically they had a RBW makers mark.
Example from an earlier car to illustrate
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/6-020718143019.jpeg)
Master Assembly manual: Do you mean the one Branda sells? If so, remember, the numerous entire year assembly changes ARE NOT edited into it. Many of the drawings are dated, lets say "late". AND, I'm not complaining about it either. You have to do some research based on the build date(s) from Ford-San Jose, and Shelby American. Take notes on the pages that fit your car as researched and studied.
Does someone have pictures of the fender extension with 3 exterior attachment holes. Mine a early 67 #185, has one exterior attachment hole on the bottom. My right one has had minor repair but the left one looks untouched.
Quote from: motorhead428 on July 08, 2018, 08:53:25 PM
Does someone have pictures of the fender extension with 3 exterior attachment holes. Mine a early 67 #185, has one exterior attachment hole on the bottom. My right one has had minor repair but the left one looks untouched.
#185 should only have one. It was only the early cars that had one the majority of production had three.
Not sure how I missed the replies to this post.
Thanks to all who replied and to Jim (jwc66k) at the ConcoursMustang.com site for supplying me with the correct RBW bolts! I only found one in my bolt bag marked 'trunk', but Jim sent me enough to mount these correctly. Not sure how anyone can see these things (upside down with a flashlight?) but it's nice to know I have the correct bolts.
So far I have used no reproduction fasteners or nutplates and have chosen to replate or refinish everything that came on this mostly unmolested car.
If I have an incorrect fastener I source it either from my parts car or with help from guys like you.
I have a few end caps (extensions) that I've collected over the years and one of them does have the aircraft nut plates. It looks just like all the others I have, except for the nut plates. I'll snap a pic later.
I have hundreds of hours of bringing the trunk area back to concours and appreciate the help on these details.
Here are two pics of a rear extension I picked up. I make no claims to its suitability or originality -- only that it has aircraft style holding fasteners.
It has also had its share of repairs over the years and it still needs a lot of work!
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/411-170718120642.jpeg)
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/411-170718120559.jpeg)
This one has three holes in approximately the right place.
Quote from: Bossbill on July 17, 2018, 12:14:28 PM
Here are two pics of a rear extension I picked up. I make no claims to its suitability or originality -- only that it has aircraft style holding fasteners.
It has also had its share of repairs over the years and it still needs a lot of work!
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/411-170718120642.jpeg)
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/411-170718120559.jpeg)
This one has three holes in approximately the right place.
THAT IS NOT AN ORIGINAL QUARTER EXTENSION in case anyone is wondering.
Dominic
Quote from: DC-DD on July 17, 2018, 01:36:42 PM
Quote from: Bossbill on July 17, 2018, 12:14:28 PM
Here are two pics of a rear extension I picked up. I make no claims to its suitability or originality -- only that it has aircraft style holding fasteners.
It has also had its share of repairs over the years and it still needs a lot of work!
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/411-170718120559.jpeg)
This one has three holes in approximately the right place.
THAT IS NOT AN ORIGINAL QUARTER EXTENSION in case anyone is wondering.
Dominic
^^^ What Dominic said regarding the part.
Yes to the three holes in the lower "tail" for the cars that got 3 screws.
If you are a SAAC member go to the
www.SAAC.com website and log in to the
members/members only section.
then the
"Members Area" and the
"Shelby American" it will provide a pull-down list, select the
2013 Fall issue. There is a 3-part article on the "
1967 Shelby's" it can provide some images and
some (
not all) reference on the many variations that effect the '67's.
(If you were a member back then the article is in print in the 2013 Annual that you may have somewhere.) The article is about 15 pages.
There is a photo of the end caps with one screw and another with 3 screws.
Hope this helps...
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/29-170718142206.jpeg)
(http://www.saacforum.com/gallery/29-170718142400.jpeg)
In my case OBA S7MS lettered versions went on my car.
I knew I had some better images of the part ID on these, see attached...
These are from an April built 67 Shelby. No part number.
Dave not on the outside/front either?
No numbers anywhere. I have another one with no number but don't know it's history.9
Dave
Quote from: JD on July 17, 2018, 02:01:44 PM
Yes to the three holes in the lower "tail" for the cars that got 3 screws.
If you are a SAAC member go to the www.SAAC.com website and log in to the members/members only section.
then the "Members Area" and the "Shelby American" it will provide a pull-down list, select the 2013 Fall issue. There is a 3-part article on the "1967 Shelby's" it can provide some images and some (not all) reference on the many variations that effect the '67's. (If you were a member back then the article is in print in the 2013 Annual that you may have somewhere.) The article is about 15 pages.
There is a photo of the end caps with one screw and another with 3 screws.
The site requires you to load Adobe Flash. That was deprecated years ago.
I downloaded the pages awhile back, but others no longer have access.
Quote from: J_Speegle on July 08, 2018, 02:14:02 PM
Example from an earlier car to illustrate
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/6-020718143019.jpeg)
Jeff, what car # is that? I'm guessing early
If a original black car it would most likely be early. For those reading although I believe those bolts on the trunk inside to have the correct markings that is not a untouched example. The bolts have been blasted and clear coated. Original RBW bolts of that type would be a zinc phosphate.
Jeff's Image turned 180 degrees to read date code easier
9 29 2W ??
Quote from: TLea on August 21, 2022, 02:06:22 PM
Jeff, what car # is that? I'm guessing early
#136 IF I recall correctly Bob and I judged it at SAAC one year in the Survivor class. Do have cars closer to your car number with the same style on unrestored and restored examples.
And as to the hardware I'm incline to believe it may indeed be original since I have a fair number of cars equipped the same way. Not with separate washer and bolts that some owners and show have used in the past during a repair or poor restoration. If you notice in the picture provided of this example the lower bolt has not been cleaned or cleared as suggested nor is the one lower on on the other side. Need to graph the early cars with the same or similar hardware, head markings, completion date at SA and other details to see how much of a pattern we have. Believe there are around ten examples when I just scanned through my collection of pictures. Do have examples were the car too damage that was repaired on the car and the hardware on that side don't match and very different while the undamaged side of the rear end has these.
That is consistent with my car. The only thing different is the outside lower attachment I have two screws instead of one. It's very possible it could've been previous owner though
The RBW makers mark is commonly seen on many SA applied hardware applications.
Reporting back on what I found in my records and pictures.
First needed to sort of ignore the VINs and focus on when the examples were finished/built at SA. With this it sort of tightened up the group
Of the examples I have with the bolts not all of the head markings were visible on all examples but in others all six were clear enough to make out the markings.
My earliest example had SEMS head markings and it had a SA "Build date" (according to the Registry) of 10/10 so a very very early example that may explain the different markings
Of the others I found with the bolts the following four examples were found with head marks of RBW with and without circle head designs. Without circles beign found on the last one I have right now.
Examples ended up being from each months covering four months. Nov - Feb
In order these cars were built on
11/6/66 - 12/14/66 - 1/4/67 - 2/16/67
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/17/6-230822183851-17877309.jpeg)
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/17/6-230822184531-178781598.jpeg)
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/17/6-230822183849-17875965.jpeg)
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/17/6-230822183849-178751572.jpeg)
10-14-66 has SEMS markings consistent with your 10/10 example
Quote from: TLea on August 23, 2022, 07:37:26 PM
10-14-66 has SEMS markings consistent with your 10/10 example
Didn't look it up but would then guess same order group of 84-2505
Will add it to the list. Appears we have evidence and supporting examples for a pattern