https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-ford-shelby-mustang-gt500kr/
This is going to be very illustrative in my opinion.
Guessing reserve won't be met?
I found a previous listing for $200k
Im very interested to see if there are any discussions about "the numbers"
deluxe listing
Quote from: CharlesTurner on April 21, 2023, 09:23:13 AM
Guessing reserve won't be met?
Why? It still has 11 Days to go.
I dont think you are going to see people put a list of things that are wrong with any car, in an open forum unless specifically asked by the owner.
I think it could sell.
A lot of BaT bidders are not very well informed in my opinion.
More times than not someone buys a 6 figure Mustang then HIRES an expert/guru to go over the car AFTER they purchased it and then are ticked off when they see the long list of what is wrong and missing. For some reason they do not want to shell out the Benjamins before the car sells to see what they are really buying.
To go along with the previous post I think most buyers would be very surprised if they knew how many parts are missing or installed wrong on a large percentage of Shelby's after 50 plus years. That is even on ones that have been restored one or more times. I am not even talking about Div I or Thoroughbred or even Div II or trailered concours. Just because a car has been restored doesn't mean it was done to assemblyline standards which of course is the standard that most informed buyers desire to be done to. The car may have good workmanship but that is all for naught if the restorer is not up to date on Mustang/Shelby assemblyline build techniques. Just because it looks pretty doesn't mean it is done right.We freely help polite enthusiasts and restorers all of the time on this forum with many answers to build and part questions but I am sure it is only the tip of the iceberg of questions that need asked and answered . With the best of intentions there are many questions that those same people aren't even aware need asking. They don't know what they don't know. With all of that said it is a crap shoot every time on these auctions IMO without accurate background info.
Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 21, 2023, 03:09:56 PM
To go along with the previous post I think most buyers would be very surprised if they knew how many parts are missing or installed wrong on a large percentage of Shelby's after 50 plus years. That is even on ones that have been restored one or more times. I am not even talking about Div I or Thoroughbred or even Div II or trailered concours. Just because a car has been restored doesn't mean it was done to assemblyline standards which of course is the standard that most informed buyers desire to be done to. The car may have good workmanship but that is all for naught if the restorer is not up to date on Mustang/Shelby assemblyline build techniques. Just because it looks pretty doesn't mean it is done right.We freely help polite enthusiasts and restorers all of the time on this forum with many answers to build and part questions but I am sure it is only the tip of the iceberg of questions that need asked and answered . With the best of intentions there are many questions that those same people aren't even aware need asking. They don't know what they don't know. With all of that said it is a crap shoot every time on these auctions IMO without accurate background info.
Bob, that is quite possibly the most honest, and true statement that I have read in a some time. Kudos
Yes well played Mr Gaines
This auction will end tomorrow
Cant wait to see what the end result will be.
Because I think this is going to prove many of my early statements about matching numbers being insignificant during these auctions
Quote from: Coralsnake on May 01, 2023, 09:13:37 AM
This auction will end tomorrow
Cant wait to see what the end result will be.
Because I think this is going to prove many of my early statements about matching numbers being insignificant during these auctions
An interesting dynamic is one of my best friends who has a lot of car most being numbers matching was quoting how much his RS/SS 69 396 4 speed Camaro is worth. Ironically his values on his other cars are based that numbers matching is worth generally X more but failed to adjust for the 1967 396 in his Camaro. I don't think he liked when I explained that I thought his Camaro was a lot less than what he thought it was worth. LOL.
"Polished dual exhaust finishers"?!?! ::) Well,they clearly know the terminology.....
what is "GT500 models utilized a revised suspension system"
jim p
Quote from: 6R07mi on May 01, 2023, 12:48:59 PM
what is "GT500 models utilized a revised suspension system"
jim p
I have actually tagged BaT on auctions offering my services when I retire to write their descriptions for them as it appears those who they have hired do not know what they are doing.
Yeah statements like those will confuse the people who dont know anything about what they are bidding on. :o
I find it hysterical the bidders are so focused on matching numbers. But, wait a car without matching numbers comes up and there is not a peep. Even when most of the tags are reproductions.
..and no one seems to care if any or all the metal has been replaced? Its never even asked and when it is, all the owner has to say is, thats the way I got it!
Quote from: shelbymann1970 on May 01, 2023, 12:53:54 PM
I have actually tagged BaT on auctions offering my services when I retire to write their descriptions for them as it appears those who they have hired do not know what they are doing.
Had to go through several iterations with them on the description of a car I sold on there recently. It was an exercise in patience restraint for sure! It seems there are so many writers and huge inconsistency from one to the other.
On the last photograph, in this auction does if look like the trunk and hinges are gold?
Asking for a friend....
Quote from: Coralsnake on May 02, 2023, 07:18:50 AM
On the last photograph, in this auction does if look like the trunk and hinges are gold?
Asking for a friend....
yes. I wonder if it was painted gold at one time? Another donor body? It is a question that should have been asked by bidders but if I was a bidder I'd be asking all my questions by email which I have done some times for friends that were interested in a car and other times they wanted me to ask point blank in the comment sections. That is what the morons like "flush" don't get. Not everyone posting comments are bidding of course but some are representatives of bidders or possible bidders. He attacks but has never ever posted anything of value to an auction. They are the true "peanut gallery".
Quote from: Coralsnake on May 02, 2023, 07:18:50 AM
On the last photograph, in this auction does if look like the trunk and hinges are gold?
Asking for a friend....
How about the trunk hole covers for the tail lights? It the last pic the one shown is white with a gold painted trunk. Earlier pics of the car done the covers inside the trunk are BLACK. The process makes no sense.
Pics 147 and 146 the black deck lid bolts have metallic gold centers.... OK what about dated sheet metal in the trunk? One piece is dated 2 15 W3 and the other is 1 11 C3 pic 157. Would that be too early for a actual May 2nd build ?
Quote from: Bob Gaines on April 21, 2023, 03:09:56 PM
To go along with the previous post I think most buyers would be very surprised if they knew how many parts are missing or installed wrong on a large percentage of Shelby's after 50 plus years. That is even on ones that have been restored one or more times. I am not even talking about Div I or Thoroughbred or even Div II or trailered concours. Just because a car has been restored doesn't mean it was done to assemblyline standards which of course is the standard that most informed buyers desire to be done to. The car may have good workmanship but that is all for naught if the restorer is not up to date on Mustang/Shelby assemblyline build techniques. Just because it looks pretty doesn't mean it is done right.We freely help polite enthusiasts and restorers all of the time on this forum with many answers to build and part questions but I am sure it is only the tip of the iceberg of questions that need asked and answered . With the best of intentions there are many questions that those same people aren't even aware need asking. They don't know what they don't know. With all of that said it is a crap shoot every time on these auctions IMO without accurate background info.
An eye opening statement, but unfortunately, not the first time I've heard it, dating all the way back to the late 90's where sellers would remove "correct" parts, and replace them with "not correct parts" when selling a high ticket "concourse" item. Sadly, I've personally experienced this from people you would never expect it to come from, even after I voiced my concerns to the broker who put a deal together for me.
Bill
Pictures can be deceiving, but expected to see shock tower stiffening in this photo?
They lost me at 3 out of the 4 tags are reproductions
Quote from: Coralsnake on May 02, 2023, 02:50:31 PM
They lost me at 3 out of the 4 tags are reproductions
that can't be good.......
I would expect the wrap around support on this car. Needs a close examination in my opinion, the Gold paint is troubling
Quote from: Coralsnake on May 02, 2023, 02:50:31 PM
They lost me at 3 out of the 4 tags are reproductions
Guess that is just part of not being "matching numbers" ::)
As they say at the reproduction tag factory,
"We make-a your numbers match, what numbers do you want?"
Quote from: Coralsnake on May 02, 2023, 07:18:50 AM
On the last photograph, in this auction does if look like the trunk and hinges are gold?
Asking for a friend....
GOOD CATCH.............yikes