The price is $750,000 US Dollars. This is the first of what will be a total of 5 produced by Legendary motor cars. I believe they did some tribute Shelby mustangs with a high degree of accuracy. I saw this car at Carlisle last weekend. Very cool looking! And I looked inside and saw the vin plate as they use on Continuation Cobras and was shocked to see the car had a vin CSX2800 ! Is this not Blasphemous? What are your thoughts?
Just another "continuation" Shelby License product among a long list of others. Nothing new about this type of development anymore. Nicely detailed and expensive product. Now we have the CSX2800 series of five in the unavailable to the public Shelby Registry. 8)
I guess the point I'm bothered with is the fact that CSX2000 and CSX3000 series cars are the original Cobras. This in my opinion dilutes the Marque.
Agreed, should have used something from the 7000 series.
Quote from: daltondavid on June 07, 2023, 06:30:37 PM
I guess the point I'm bothered with is the fact that CSX2000 and CSX3000 series cars are the original Cobras. This in my opinion dilutes the Marque.
Regardless of who built it they ALL dilute the marque. The numbers don't matter. Outsiders don't know what the numbers mean and insiders know how many of each was built and numbers above to original total are continuations, clones, kits, fakes, or whatever you want to call them.
Or.... do the help the marque by being in front of the public and increasing awareness of the originals and their accomplishments?
The line was crossed decades ago by CS himself.
While he always appreciated kind words and support from "us", the unspoken truth was that he wanted exclusivity like Ferrari had. His intent was never to build a car for secretaries and carpenters.
This latest offering from "Shelby" is just another prime example much like what Ford has done with the Ford GT.
It is about exclusivity and not about us working "pions".
The days of the used race cars like the "Coupes" being sold for the first $2,500 to show up were just an embarrassment and the hope is that no one remembers that or mentions it?
Incidentally is there actually a working "middle-class" left anywhere?
My opinion, as somebody who drives CSX2367 to many local gatherings and events, is that replicas are a confirmation of the ongoing attraction of our Cobras. Most car people know that there are many, many clones and replicas of Cobras. And are pleasantly surprised when they realize that our Cobra is real. The license plate is "64REAL" and I quite often lay out a copy of the original window sticker, invoice, etc.
What other car has this popularity 60 year later? - the replicas still being built are proof that the Cobra was, and is, a vehicle of great significance. We should feel flattered.
The huge advantage that we all have is that SAAC does such a superb job of tracking and documenting all the real cars so that there are very few disputes. Thank you Ned.
This reliable registry is much less available for many other collector cars, from early GTOs to many Corvettes. I tried to acquire a Dtype Jaguar once that had unclear provenance, until I inspected the floor plan which proved that it was a well modified Etype.
So again - thank you SAAC for the registries. Getting fooled that a continuation/replica is a real Cobra is unlikely. Dave
and it helped over the year to get parts to restore the originals one , 750 000 is a lot off money for a replica !!
Quote from: shelbydoug on June 08, 2023, 09:05:13 AMThe days of the used race cars like the "Coupes" being sold for the first $2,500 to show up were just an embarrassment and the hope is that no one remembers that or mentions it?
Shelby was done with the Coupes in 1964 - Ford had told him to concentrate on the GT40 program. The Coupes were entered under the SA name but they were being managed and run by Alan Mann Racing. After they had won the World Championship CS didn't even want to pay the freight to bring them back to the US. He told Alan Mann to dump them in the channel. Alan Mann spent his own money to send them back. The original Brock built Coupe was bought by Jim Russell of Russkit Slot car fame for $4,500. He used it to showcase his company. It was delivered with a fresh street HiPo long block. He had the body massaged and a show quality paint job put on it. He then took it to Tony Nancy and had a show quality leather interior installed in it. After about a year he offered it for sale for $12,500. Phil Specter bought it and painted the cars race history in the door. He sold it to his bodyguard for $1,000. Today it sits in a PA museum claiming to be "as raced" and unrestored. That buyer ended up paying millions for the car and even a couple million more to get a clear title.
Bottom line - there is nothing as useless as last years racecar.
https://afxracing.com/history-of-russkit/
At one of the races that year, Jim was talking with
Carroll Shelby who mentioned that they were getting ready to crush the Cobra Daytona Coupes that had been so successful in GT racing over the prior two years. Jim offered to buy the original coupe, chassis number CSX2287 to use it for promotional display at the west coast races during the year. Shelby agreed and sold the car to Jim for $4,500. Strictly in the interest of saving money you understand, Jim hit on the idea of converting the car to street legality so it could be driven to the races instead of needing a trailer. This meant that Jim would have to make the ultimate sacrifice of driving the car on the street. Stepping into the breach, he steadied himself and drove the car back and forth to work many times while he had it. The sound of this 200mph supercar firing up in the driveway would bring kids out of the neighboring houses just to see it pass
I am a factory-authorized Shelby American dealer - How may I help you?
www.beckerautogroup.com
I personally think they will have a hard time selling five of them. They have a hard time selling the real Dragon Snakes and by the time you add the options to these new ones they will be bumping $1,000,000!!
Quote from: Chad on June 08, 2023, 04:03:34 PM
I personally think they will have a hard time selling five of them. They have a hard time selling the real Dragon Snakes and by the time you add the options to these new ones they will be bumping $1,000,000!!
Next will come the auction pre-sale hype. Doubt if any will ever face a track light tree. 8)
Googled the Russkit address shown in the ad: 6368 Arizona Circle, Los Angeles.
Similar age & style of brick building as S-A Princeton St.
It was on the border of Culver City, where I grew up. Not far from "Gasoline Alley" on Jefferson Blvd where Traco was. Lots of internal combustion thunder was generated in that little area where the 405 Freeway bisects Jefferson.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/6368+Arizona+Cir,+Los+Angeles,+CA+90045/@33.9802068,-118.3973322,3a,75y,247.36h,91.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfDFzxYV5N0g9oGPK4YFJpw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m7!3m6!1s0x80c2b0adc5f6e731:0x92c58f5b72601099!8m2!3d33.9801061!4d-118.3977321!10e5!16s%2Fg%2F11c2h442k0?entry=ttu
Here's a recent photo at that address
https://www.saacforum.com/index.php?topic=13521.msg112378#msg112378
Quote from: Chad on June 08, 2023, 04:03:34 PM
I personally think they will have a hard time selling five of them. They have a hard time selling the real Dragon Snakes and by the time you add the options to these new ones they will be bumping $1,000,000!!
What is the over/under on total sales? ;D
All I want is the contact info for the buyers....got some ocean front property in Kansas City to sell those guys.
Kind regards,
Vern
Next will be the 427 DragonSnake! Think at one time it was owned along with DragonSnake CSX2427 before Rich Mason bought it. Drove that one at Sears & Thunderhill. Fun car to drive. A replica will always be a replica no matter how you dress it!
The use of the CSX2XXX VIN numbers is nothing new to the Continuation series of Cobras built by Superformance under a license agreement with Shelby American Inc. Do you people not remember the batch of early competition Cobras replicating the early Sebring competition 289 Cobras that were produced?
Confusion often results when "continuation cars" - which might otherwise be labeled imposters or replicas - utilize chassis numbers designed to mimic those assigned by AC Cars to the '60s Cobras they built almost 60 years ago. This makes having a genuine SAAC Cobra Registry ensconced in one's bookshelf a mandatory exercise for anyone who wants to remain on top of the facts rather than the innuendo. Don't delay; contact SAAC today and get yours before they are out of print.
Quote from: Don Johnston on June 07, 2023, 04:34:54 PM
Just another "continuation" Shelby License product among a long list of others. Nothing new about this type of development anymore. Nicely detailed and expensive product. Now we have the CSX2800 series of five in the unavailable to the public Shelby Registry. 8)
Each Dragonsnake costs $750,000 before options. These Dragon Snakes are authenticated by Shelby and built under their guidance with CSX # 's reserved in the
SAAC registry for each build.
$750k interesting
Quote from: tesgt350 on December 19, 2023, 01:59:38 PM
Quote from: Don Johnston on June 07, 2023, 04:34:54 PM
Just another "continuation" Shelby License product among a long list of others. Nothing new about this type of development anymore. Nicely detailed and expensive product. Now we have the CSX2800 series of five in the unavailable to the public Shelby Registry. 8)
Each Dragonsnake costs $750,000 before options. These Dragon Snakes are authenticated by Shelby and built under their guidance with CSX # 's reserved in the SAAC registry for each build.
Maybe a Shelby American 'Registry', not in SAAC Registry.
Quote from: A-Snake on December 19, 2023, 03:29:22 PM
Quote from: tesgt350 on December 19, 2023, 01:59:38 PM
Quote from: Don Johnston on June 07, 2023, 04:34:54 PM
Just another "continuation" Shelby License product among a long list of others. Nothing new about this type of development anymore. Nicely detailed and expensive product. Now we have the CSX2800 series of five in the unavailable to the public Shelby Registry. 8)
Each Dragonsnake costs $750,000 before options. These Dragon Snakes are authenticated by Shelby and built under their guidance with CSX # 's reserved in the SAAC registry for each build.
Maybe a Shelby American 'Registry', not in SAAC Registry.
I was wondering what VIN do these reproduction "continuation" cars get to be registered. 8)
Any loyalty Carroll had to the cars was always trumped by making a buck. His lawsuit against SAAC over the Registry is a clear illustration. And Shelby Licensing has no loyalty to the old cars as illustrated by their release of the old serial number blocks on new replicas. I suspect the parts support to Vegas Cobras will transition rapidly from Shelby to the aftermarket too, as Mustangs dominate their priorities. As Yogi said, "deja vu all over again."
Quote from: csxsfm on December 19, 2023, 06:38:10 PM
Any loyalty Carroll had to the cars was always trumped by making a buck. His lawsuit against SAAC over the Registry is a clear illustration. And Shelby Licensing has no loyalty to the old cars as illustrated by their release of the old serial number blocks on new replicas. I suspect the parts support to Vegas Cobras will transition rapidly from Shelby to the aftermarket too, as Mustangs dominate their priorities. As Yogi said, "deja vu all over again."
Are you sure Mustangs dominate their priorities? I was at Shelby in Vegas a month ago and all I saw was Mach E's on their lifts. F#ckin Mach E's for god sakes!!!
QSS
ford found a buyer for the mach e ;)
Quote from: Don Johnston on December 19, 2023, 04:31:51 PM
I was wondering what VIN do these reproduction "continuation" cars get to be registered. 8)
The license you pay for includes a VIN plate and MSO from Shelby American (or whatever corporate identity they are using) showing them as the manufacturer. The MSO (manufacturer statement of origin) is given to DMV when the car is first registered. The down side I can see to a licensed car is while your contract with SA allows you to build X car I don't know if they inspect what is being built as to matching the specs or for workmanship.
Fed law changed recently allowing 1 builder to fully assemble up to 325 kit cars per year without the fed crash/safety/numbering. In the past 1 company had to sell the kit and another company had to finish it.
https://www.sema.org/news-media/enews/2022/09/replica-car-companies-start-your-sales#:~:text=Low%2Dvolume%20vehicle%20manufacturers%20must,purchase%20a%20turnkey%20replica%20car.
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on December 19, 2023, 09:18:12 PM
Are you sure Mustangs dominate their priorities? I was at Shelby in Vegas a month ago and all I saw was Mach E's on their lifts. F#ckin Mach E's for god sakes!!!
QSS
The color scheme of those Mach Es should tell you the whole story...... Hertz Adrenaline Sports Car Rentals
https://www.hertz.com/rentacar/vehicleguide/index.jsp?targetPage=vehicleGuideHomeView.jsp&countryCode=US&category=Adrenaline%20Collection#
In reality modding ICE Mustangs is a very small part of the company. Their current big seller is Shelby Trucks for the GT350/500 owners who want to trailer to the track/show and Hertz Mach Es.
have a 2022 shelby supercharged f150 at the shop with rod blown out the side of the block / guy just bought it :o
Quote from: gt350shelb on December 19, 2023, 10:05:14 PM
have a 2022 shelby supercharged f150 at the shop with rod blown out the side of the block / guy just bought it :o
OOPS! Why did it do THAT? ::)
Quote from: shelbydoug on December 20, 2023, 08:43:16 AM
Quote from: gt350shelb on December 19, 2023, 10:05:14 PM
have a 2022 shelby supercharged f150 at the shop with rod blown out the side of the block / guy just bought it :o
OOPS! Why did it do THAT? ::)
might be putting a whipple supercharger is a bad thing on a stock block ("with that" ford does not warranty) in the fine print of the super snake catalog .
Quote from: gt350shelb on December 19, 2023, 10:05:14 PM
have a 2022 shelby supercharged f150 at the shop with rod blown out the side of the block
That is not news...... SA has worn out their welcome at local Ford dealers with engine warranty work. The dealer in Henderson put a fresh engine in one and a few days later it was back - also blown up.
Quote from: 98SVT - was 06GT on December 19, 2023, 09:54:25 PM
Quote from: QuickSilverShelby on December 19, 2023, 09:18:12 PM
Are you sure Mustangs dominate their priorities? I was at Shelby in Vegas a month ago and all I saw was Mach E's on their lifts. F#ckin Mach E's for god sakes!!!
QSS
The color scheme of those Mach Es should tell you the whole story...... Hertz Adrenaline Sports Car Rentals
https://www.hertz.com/rentacar/vehicleguide/index.jsp?targetPage=vehicleGuideHomeView.jsp&countryCode=US&category=Adrenaline%20Collection#
In reality modding ICE Mustangs is a very small part of the company. Their current big seller is Shelby Trucks for the GT350/500 owners who want to trailer to the track/show and Hertz Mach Es.
Brett: Any idea how many GT-E's they've built/sold? Can't imagine it'd be more than a handful, to anyone but Hertz.