Want to buy or trade for a 1965 Hipo C4 automatic "C" servo cover. I have a 66 "C" servo cover I would trade + or -, or just buy your 65 part.
Please let me know if you have any thoughts, ideas. Here's a picture of the 66 unit that I currently have. Sorry, it's a little dirty, it is still on the transmission.
Thanks! Karl
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Did you make your trade or do you want to sell 66 C Servo?
Hi Karguy,
I might have trade for you. Checking now. I have a buddy with a fat "C" servo that may want to have the skinny "C" servo. His car should have the skinny "C". I will get back to you as soon as I hear from him and put you two together.
Cory
1965 Hipo mustang never came out with an Automatic transmission only in 1966 could you get one with an Automatic so don't know if your going to have any luck getting a 65 C cover ???
Quote from: usapony on October 12, 2018, 06:15:08 AM
1965 Hipo mustang never came out with an Automatic transmission only in 1966 could you get one with an Automatic so don't know if your going to have any luck getting a 65 C cover ???
Not trying to muddy this thread up but their most certainly is a C5 C servo cover as well as a C6 C servo cover
Unfortunately 6s281 does not have the original C4 automatic transmission. I do have a documented hipo C4 out of a later model (6s1669) 66 Hertz car that has all c6 casting part numbers. 281 was built at San Jose in the middle of October 65, an early 66 production, I have recently located 6S273 here in my hometown of Albuquerque, it has been hidden away since the early 70s. 273 is about 20 Ford vin numbers away from 281, it is also a factory automatic car. The 85 year oldgentleman who owns it has invited me to do a thorough inspection on it as soon as his wife is feeling better, hopefully soon. I have confirmed with him that the C4 transmission in 273 is the original unit. I will photograph and document it and report back on this thread as soon as I am positive it is a c5 or c6 parts numbered trans and servo cover. Should be interesting.
Thanks, Karl
6s281
Quote from: Karguy on October 14, 2018, 10:51:00 PM
Unfortunately 6s281 does not have the original C4 automatic transmission. I do have a documented hipo C4 out of a later model (6s1669) 66 Hertz car that has all c6 casting part numbers. 281 was built at San Jose in the middle of October 65, an early 66 production, I have recently located 6S273 here in my hometown of Albuquerque, it has been hidden away since the early 70s. 273 is about 20 Ford vin numbers away from 281, it is also a factory automatic car. The 85 year oldgentleman who owns it has invited me to do a thorough inspection on it as soon as his wife is feeling better, hopefully soon. I have confirmed with him that the C4 transmission in 273 is the original unit. I will photograph and document it and report back on this thread as soon as I am positive it is a c5 or c6 parts numbered trans and servo cover. Should be interesting.
Thanks, Karl
6s281
I am not sure why you feel so strongly that 6S 281 should have a C5 servo cover instead of a C6. Other then a early production 66 it is not a like a carry over that had all 65 parts with the exception of the 66 regular production parts. I for one have not heard of the C5 servo cover being used on a 66 . Let us know what you find out.
Did a quick check and found I've got pictures (likely some that were posted here before the crash) from 6S701 with the C5TP servo cover. Hard to read the tag date - will give it another try in the morning. Its a bit dirty in the picture but shows what appears to be a latye 65 date.
Need to look through and see if I have others.
Bob, you may be right, I am anxious to get a good look at 6s273, that should be definitive.
It would certainly be easier for me if it is C6 part numbers as I already have that Hipo c4. I will certainly let you know what I find out when I can look at 273.
Thanks, Karl
I realize this does not mean that the transmission cast part numbers are c6 pieces but the picture I have posted is from a K Code automatic non Shelby fastback that was built approximately 55 ford numbers prior to 281. This particular car was built first week of October 65 and it's hipo c4 appears to of been assembled August 10 of 65.
Thanks
Quote from: Karguy on October 15, 2018, 12:50:09 AM
I realize this does not mean that the transmission cast part numbers are c6 pieces but the picture I have posted is from a K Code automatic non Shelby fastback that was built approximately 55 ford numbers prior to 281. This particular car was built first week of October 65 and it's hipo c4 appears to of been assembled August 10 of 65.
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Did you post this picture before? Seem to have a copy of it
Have a tag (same assembly date as the one you show) on another Hipo C4 with the fat C and the engineering number starting with C5. That car had a projected build date of last day of Sept 1965 at San Jose.
Jeff,
I did actually post a picture of that tag a while back, I was trying to decode the other letters stamped on it and yes it was on a K code from SA with a projected build date of Sept 30. Do you have the picture that shows the tag and also the C5 part number on the servo cover? I'm beginning to wonder if I edited the original photograph I was given to show the tag and discarded the original that may have shown the servo cover.
Thanks very much, Karl
6S477 has a C5TP cover. It is important for ALL to remember that a casting number didn't change simply because the year did. There HAD to be a change made to the part for the casting number to change.
Randy
Quote from: Bob Gaines on October 15, 2018, 12:02:31 AM
. I for one have not heard of the C5 servo cover being used on a 66 . Let us know what you find out.
That's interesting. And all my research of the two servo covers I found that they were used clearly into the 900 cars and probably a little bit beyond. I would say it would be a good but general line to say cars built 1000 and up probably have the C6 cover and prior had C5.
(https://i.postimg.cc/sxfFmZZf/1-FED8-FC2-A08-A-4-CEB-89-CF-4-BF38000-E2-BA.jpg)
6s701 on top. Other version below.
Quote from: gt350hr on October 15, 2018, 11:00:52 AM
6S477 has a C5TP cover. It is important for ALL to remember that a casting number didn't change simply because the year did. There HAD to be a change made to the part for the casting number to change.
Randy
+1 My experience from 20+ yrs in Ford Parts dept.
Replacement would have same fit, form, function but could be a supplier change or design change to improve engineering, manufacturing or interchangeability.
jim p
I've got eight examples at this point but through the 700's. Would guess that like other things and details as well as the fact we don't know the order the Shelbys were built in that any statement of a change over number or date should be a range rather than an exact car or date. Suggest at this point we have that to a point and will continue to collect more examples to support or adjust it as needed
Quote from: Karguy on October 15, 2018, 09:58:45 AM
Jeff,
I did actually post a picture of that tag a while back, I was trying to decode the other letters stamped on it and yes it was on a K code from SA with a projected build date of Sept 30. Do you have the picture that shows the tag and also the C5 part number on the servo cover? .......
Only have the one from you - guess because you were focusing on the tag for the post and discussion. Sorry
The funny thing is the "C" servo started as a truck part. The "T" in C5TP or C6TP is for Truck.
Cory
Yes that is the servo used on a 240 6 cylinder with an automatic transmission in 65 and 66.
Don't get too excited though those are harder to find than Shelby automatic transmissions
Hi TLea,
According the Ford Master Parts Catalog, it is only the 1965-66 F100's and F250's with the straight 300 CID that received the "C" servo. The same years trucks with the 240 CID received the "A" servo. The engineering part number shown shows its origin was Galaxie C5AZ-7D027-B with the "A" in the prefix part number. If you can find a police or taxi Galaxie from 1965 or 1966 with the C4, it too should have the "C" servo for heavy duty.
You are right, these are also very hard to find.
Take care
Cory
P.S. Don't confuse casting part number with engineering part number. They are usually different.
Hi Karguy,
Attached is the fat "C" servo from my buddy for trade for your skinny "C" servo. I sent you an IM with his contact info and some other thoughts.
Cory
Transmissions were pre built to a requesition ( purchase order) and bulk shipped to the various vehicle assembly plants. They were serialized as well . "IF" we had access to the build records from the Automatic transmission assembly plant , we could pinpoint when the switch occurred as it was a running change not a Shelby specific change.
Randy
+1
Quote from: 6s1640 on October 16, 2018, 01:01:48 AM
Hi Karguy,
Attached is the fat "C" servo from my buddy for trade for your skinny "C" servo. I sent you an IM with his contact info and some other thoughts.
Cory
Best of luck on the trade . Now go buy a power ball ticket. :D
Found the c5 C cover I needed and another Shelby owner found the c6 C cover he needed. Shows the incredible importance and value of this forum and its participants. I think some people including myself learned a little more about these cars in the process of this post. Thanks, Thanks, Thanks Cory!
Thanks, Karl
6s281